The Front Derailleur Killer? | Classified Powershift Hub Gear First Look

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Does this mean the end for the front derailleur? Classified's new internal geared hub for road and gravel bikes, the Powershift, is a new look at internal hub gears for cycling. Si takes a ride on the wirelessly operated rear hub, which uses planetary gears to offer two different gear ratios, in addition to the use of an 11 speed cassette.
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@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think of this hot tech? Will it catch on?

@taufikabidin412 3 жыл бұрын

I think it is ca tching on, with Rohloff, pinion, sram dual drive etc, there is a movement towards internal gears. We would see more and more of it, better efficiency and quality.

@QwertyUser1983 3 жыл бұрын

If the price is affordable for beginners, That means we can mount giant chainring like 75t without worrying the FD max size capacity, usually 52t. Then, that also means later, sprocket 11t - 50t chainring 37t - 75t combi might be possible Now, how about cargo bike test for it durability? ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶

@mattfenn1373 3 жыл бұрын

I really like the look of this......hope it catches on and the prices come down a bit

@deabreu.tattoo 3 жыл бұрын

Probably too expensive

@uaaadingding 3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea. It's too expensive for my taste but understandable for the start. Questions: The cassette mount, is this an open standard so other suppliers can provide parts? Will there be a mechanical shifting option too? (not a fan of wireless shifters ...)

@feedbackzaloop 3 жыл бұрын

New pre-ride routine by GCN: charge head unit, charge di2, charge powermeter, charge lights, charge whoop, charge tyrewiz, charge through-axle.

@Samwell314 3 жыл бұрын

Now someone will need to design a common bicycle electrical system so everything can be powered by a single battery...

@Mike_in_Thailand 3 жыл бұрын

And their gopros, and the cameraman's gear.

@RonaldBeirouti 3 жыл бұрын

@@Samwell314 Even better, by a hub dynamo. At least it's one electrical device that you don't need to charge! 😀

@ssaunders2k 3 жыл бұрын

And technically charge their tyres with air as well.

@keirfarnum6811 3 жыл бұрын

Charge legs!

@gabes-t 3 жыл бұрын

I can now brag to my mates I climb with the big chainring.

@Simon-le2jk 3 жыл бұрын

there is no big chainring if there is only one

@Alan-xxxxxx 3 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-le2jk There's no small chainring

@ImranShaikh-gh2wd 3 жыл бұрын

😎 definitely

@boracay12 3 жыл бұрын

Where are the guys obsessed with each ounce of wieght? I'm sure this will cost about as much as a down payment on a house .

@TeacherNickoy 3 жыл бұрын

your mates will be confused how are you spinning with a big chain ring. hahahaha.

@elbertshanid8115 3 жыл бұрын

Now fit it with double chainring and you get yourself 44 speed groupset.

@rosskline 3 жыл бұрын

Just need to figure out where to put the third shifter..

@Hyleys 3 жыл бұрын

Agree - I would do so

@Hawlkeye-e9p 3 жыл бұрын

11x46 cassette? 1x46 compliant derailleur? Match with shifter brand?

@fubarryk 3 жыл бұрын

@@rosskline a friction shifter on the barends...

@cuebj 3 жыл бұрын

@@fubarryk Used to be bar end friction shifters for touring bikes with hub gear trigger usually on downtube or top of handlebar- you could use twist grips but unreliable and astonishingly uncomfortable to use

@philtomlinson8220 3 жыл бұрын

As others have said, this stands out as a genuinely useful bit of innovation, and seems to address all the limitations of both 1x x 2x systems. Although beyond my budget, it doesn't seem ridiculously expensive either, given that the conversion kit includes a pair of carbon wheels. Hope this takes off and comes down in price in the future.

@frozenbean 3 жыл бұрын

As a lifetime cross chaining enthusiast, this is really appealing.

@samuelhopely4853 3 жыл бұрын

Alright "cross chaining enthusiast" is now going on my resume, that's fantastic!

@glharlor 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I am never used the small chain ring! This would be excellent! Sadly if it requires disk brakes it's a no go for me

@MrLobsterity 3 жыл бұрын

@@glharlorFinally you'll be able to enjoy the real brakes. Best regards, GMBN.

@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

All of your problems are solved!

@benszabo 3 жыл бұрын

@@gcntech Where do I sign up to 1. get the certification for "cross chaining pro" 2. to sell a kidney to be able to afford this?

@kotsifis250 3 жыл бұрын

Now this is some tech that's actually groundbreaking and hopefully it catches on. Variations of this should cover pretty much all bike disciplines in the future

@nick37781 3 жыл бұрын

internal gear hubs have existed for 50 years

@keirfarnum6811 3 жыл бұрын

@@nick37781 But have they been good enough to actually use?

@mikehall6608 3 жыл бұрын

@@keirfarnum6811 Yes, they're extremely common in commuter and city bikes.

@raycath0de 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikehall6608 have they been able to be used in conjunction with external gears simultaneously though?

@mikehall6608 3 жыл бұрын

@@raycath0de I'm not sure, but other comments below this video suggest they have.

@Metal-Possum 3 жыл бұрын

Back in days of old, some 2 speed hubs were wireless too. Kickback hubs were made by Bendix I believe, and you quite literally pedalled backwards slightly to shift between high and low.

@pascaljanietz156 3 жыл бұрын

When’s the time that GCN switches to E-Scooters for the camera vehicle?

@petrus94 3 жыл бұрын

i second the request

@Rindertvdt 3 жыл бұрын

YES! That would absolutely be a good move!

@AdamHegewald 3 жыл бұрын

Yes the motor is quite loud....get something quiet ALREADY

@metalface8515 2 жыл бұрын

GCN should just mod their filming vehicle to have the exhaust come out somewhere not near the camera position

@idiachuk 3 жыл бұрын

Finally! Something that really looks like a technology-driven improvement for bike tech world. We didn't see this for some long time. I'm fascinated, personally. Si rocks as usual) ..

@nuttynut722 3 жыл бұрын

agree, a real improvement over the gimmick CS drivetrain years ago!!!no bs!

@rossfripp4503 3 жыл бұрын

Agree, potentially the biggest innovation since di2.

@hmcredfed1836 3 жыл бұрын

It's crazy expensive dude! Nothing a normal person can or wants to afford! It's like putting a F1 beake system on your family car

@idiachuk 3 жыл бұрын

@@hmcredfed1836 Exactly, buddy. Great comparison - some decades ago f1 brakes were as powerful as fiat punto ones. And that's why fiat punto is able to confidently stop nowadays. Tesla was making only superexpensive electric supercars at the beginning of its history, and now we can afford model 3. That's how it works, and that's why progress is a good thing. cheers

@alainbellemare2168 3 жыл бұрын

even better if it s titanium or carbon fiber

@neilstoddart00001 3 жыл бұрын

Give it 6 months and AliExpress will have a Klassified hub!!

@NirreFirre 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, for 1/5th of the price, but one that breaks during or after the first season..

@nmgn 3 жыл бұрын

When the Suez Canal reopens! Lol

@iamruss74 3 жыл бұрын

@@nmgn rumor has it it's open now?

@HulluJanne 3 жыл бұрын

@@iamruss74 Yep www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56559904, at least on its way.

@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

😂

@RobMacKendrick 3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the hybrid hub/derailleur systems people used to homebrew in the 80s. (That is, a drive train combining a Sturmey-Archer shifting hub with a 10-speed freewheel.) Fascinating proposition.

@andypryke6750 3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of when my dad, built an 8 speed cassette onto a sturmey archer 3 speed hub, for his Tandem

@2wheelsrbest327 3 жыл бұрын

That sounds interesting Andy.

@jeremystrachan9340 3 жыл бұрын

2021: when cycling glasses and ski goggles become no longer distinguishable

@mijus 3 жыл бұрын

even diving ones included!

@british.urchin 3 жыл бұрын

It’s slightly concerning when a consumable part, like the cassette, is only available from one small company.

@dlevi67 3 жыл бұрын

Agree. However - mitigating: 1) it's in steel, so presumably quite durable and 2) it's early on; all new technology is 'one supplier' when introduced. The real test is whether Classified will publish the cassette specifications or whether they will keep them proprietary.

@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын

@@dlevi67 Or if they are able to downscale the tech even further so it will accept standard cassettes.

@WARnTEA 3 жыл бұрын

Yea, thankfully though the consumable part is easy to copy as its just metal, so if this tech catches on, all of the big cassette players in asia will produce aftermarket ones. Hopefully shimano acquires this company and makes it their standard because their front derailleur is god awful. I actually run a sram rival front derailleur on my ultegra bike (with ultegra shifters) because not only is the rival lighter,cheaper and has a free chainkeeper, but there is no trimming so you just set the inner and outer limits and it works perfectly. No fiddling around with certain gears rubbing and others not.

@markpalmer3071 3 жыл бұрын

yeah, for now, but it's pretty cool.

@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 3 жыл бұрын

@@WARnTEA You are mistaken, It's SRAM that gets the majority of complaints around the internet about the poor shifting of the front derailleur. I have Shimano DA Di2 and I have never dropped a chain so far. When I had SRAM eTap it happened all the time.

@ElectronicPleasure 3 жыл бұрын

Sturmy archer with a 5 speed Freewheel was around 40 years ago. 3x5 all in the back wheel.

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 3 жыл бұрын

My foldable Brompton has a three speed Sturmey Archer and two now titanium cams still.

@bitdiddle1 3 жыл бұрын

SRAM also have a product (www.servicearchive.sram.com/sites/default/files/techdocs/DualDrive_Ins_E_12_02.PDF). This appears to be a more refined version of the idea.

@trek520rider2 3 жыл бұрын

@@bitdiddle1 Bad link.

@mk-yg7op 3 жыл бұрын

@classified-cycling: Please update the USB port to USB-C when launching upcoming 12 speed cassettes. Thank you.

@connergiven89 2 жыл бұрын

"Thanks" - The EU

@AegenemmnoN 3 жыл бұрын

This is something I do not need... and absolutely want

@EleanorPeterson 3 жыл бұрын

Buy me lunch. We need to talk. ;-)

@morganrowe 3 жыл бұрын

Hoping you guys can swap to EV motorcycles soon as it will give the sound guy's an easier job! Nice vid and tech 🤙

@nuttynut722 3 жыл бұрын

a sound guy for utube video? I don't think so, they all use clip on anyway

@whatwelearned 3 жыл бұрын

@@nuttynut722 He might mean the audio editor

@morganrowe 3 жыл бұрын

Yeh editor, sorry.

@Kimberly_Sparkles 3 жыл бұрын

@@nuttynut722 there is a sound guy running the “clip on” mics. No one lets talent set those up on their own.

@joyousland 3 жыл бұрын

The bike is really noisy and kill the tranquil atmosphere of cycling

@birili32 10 ай бұрын

I came to this video as I was about to get a Rose bike with the Classified Hub. Today, after 1 month and a few rides, I am completely in love with this transmission. I will have some problems finding a dealer that provides the Classified cassette, but in the meantime, I am enjoying this piece of tech

@angusanderson9992 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea, all it now needs is the ability of sequential shifting as per the SRAM AXS 2x setup and you don’t have to work out what gear you need next!

@JK-dv3qe 3 жыл бұрын

4:14 "I know this...... because i Googled it" made me looooll 😂🤣👍

@Derecq 3 жыл бұрын

1950's touring bike set up, Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub with a 3 speed freewheel and triple chain rings.

@casperradil 3 жыл бұрын

I also created an online university profile service with pictures in 1999, but somehow my execution was not perfect! It is not always about who is first, but rather who has got it exactly right (and probably a bit of luck), and I think this looks very promising!

@frutt5k 3 жыл бұрын

@@casperradil Only if there will be second, third and fourth sourcing of cassette parts.

@2wheelsbest 3 жыл бұрын

Just posted something similar. Just shows there is nothing new under the sun.

@oranjid 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed nothing relly new here. Did not really catch on, why would it do so much better today... In the year 2090: next copy of the same system. Will be sold as a new invention :D

@vegn_brit5176 3 жыл бұрын

In my childhood I had a Raleigh Grifter with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub and occasionally the gear used to slip and I'd invariably end up on the tarmac! Fortunately there wasn't a lot of traffic around in those days! I loved the bike to bits though.

@chaincyclist2736 3 жыл бұрын

I guess if there'd be a way to make a version that's controlled through cable tension, we'd probably be able to see more of these for casual riders.

@tomrow7214 2 жыл бұрын

I was picking up my bike at my local bike shop a day ago. There were a few guys talking with the owner in the parking lot. When I had my bike on my rack, the owner called me over to try something. It was a Moot MTB with a single front chainring. I was told to use a small button on the handle bar next to the left hand break to shift while pedaling. Smooth as silk ... really cool. I made a mental note to look up Classified to learn more. The next day I was researching something else and by coincidence this was in the side bar. I'll bet this is a game changer going forward. As always, Simon Richardson did an excellent job reviewing this technology.

@mrv.9327 3 жыл бұрын

Sturmey Archer CS-RK3 with 3x9 setup gives me 81 gears. Works great on my bike packing/touring setup. It's been around for a while and isn't very expensive

@agunlogisteam 3 жыл бұрын

What a madlad. Now imagine with Rohloff + pinion 😂😂😂

@mrv.9327 3 жыл бұрын

@@agunlogisteam does that actually exist? I'd love a rohlhoff hub, but way out of my price range @_@

@whirving 3 жыл бұрын

I have the older Sachs 3 x 7. Probably made by Sturmey Archer, not sure. Bike Friday used to spec them on most of their high end folding tour bikes. They are really durable and foolproof once set up properly.

@JohnR31415 3 жыл бұрын

@@whirving dual drive wasn’t SA, but yes - everything new is old.

@mrv.9327 3 жыл бұрын

Was it made before the buyout? I feel like the internals of the older sturmey archers are better quality than this. Although it's been a good hub for me

@carly200 3 жыл бұрын

"You cannot look down between your legs and see if you are in your big or small...." made my day ;-)

@TeacherNickoy 3 жыл бұрын

and have that reaction "oh my god its shrinking.'

@SAM-zt2uy 3 жыл бұрын

I do a lot of miles on a steel frame Hercules Commuter with Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub gears it’s a pre war design and it just works.

@ParaBellum2024 3 жыл бұрын

As a youth in the 1970s, my dad bought me a huge 'wartime utility' bike, with just one gear. I think it was a Rudge. I rode it everywhere, and the lack of gears didn't bother me.

@paulcs2607 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Nothing new under the sun.

@RobWhittlestone 3 жыл бұрын

I had a maroon Hercules with Sturmey Archer for my school run 50 years ago!

@VickersDoorter 2 жыл бұрын

An experience further enhanced by wearing cycling tweeds, a teeth-clenched trusty briar under full steam and stopping for a decent pint.

@ParaBellum2024 2 жыл бұрын

@@VickersDoorter All before morning assembly in the Great Hall!

@martinxoxo 3 жыл бұрын

Gorgeous tech. Finally no more chainsuck and adjustment issues.

@elitedavidhorne8494 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't want one, until I saw it. Now I definitely need one.

@alicangul2603 3 жыл бұрын

"Smart through-axle" these are the words I would have never expected to hear in my whole life. And I say this as an engineer designing IoT devices :)

@alicangul2603 3 жыл бұрын

That said, this is a great innovation!

@lesflynn4455 3 жыл бұрын

I don't even know what IoT is.

@zenofthemoment 3 жыл бұрын

I can't wait for smart fingernail clippers!

@NoFretBrettCSSMBFF 3 жыл бұрын

@@lesflynn4455 *IoT* is the *Internet of Things*

@adamc599 3 жыл бұрын

That's gorgeous and brilliant, I want one yesterday. It's so good I had to check it wasn't April fool.

@leonardhalls801 3 жыл бұрын

I am intrigued, Will be looking into this, Thanks Len Halls.

@royalmoline9197 3 жыл бұрын

I heard ‘micro-usb’ and died a little inside.

@KOME11 3 жыл бұрын

Something this new should be using USB-C!

@EleanorPeterson 3 жыл бұрын

@@KOME11 - That's still way too techie for me! For adequate durability I wanna see 10mm² copper wires and two bl**dy great wingnuts. Nothing else will last more than a month. ;-)

@TheSorrowedMan 3 жыл бұрын

@@KOME11 usb C has poor durability

@lesflynn4455 3 жыл бұрын

Why? It's never the USB micro receiving bit that dies. It's the plug. They cost as much as a can of coke.

@rhidiandavies1991 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSorrowedMan and a micro USB doesn't? Give me a break!

@thomostash 3 жыл бұрын

At over 2k it needs some pretty big economies of scale to bring the price down to an acceptable level. Or a kit to fit to other carbon wheels.

@antonhelsgaun 3 жыл бұрын

Given that some people pay 10-15k for a bike, it doesn't seem that unreasonable sadly

@soulboy78 Жыл бұрын

Just thought I'd add a comment after some time has passed since the making of this video. I've just bought a Ridley Fenix Slic with RF50 Classified wheelset and system. Front chainring is a 46 tooth and rear cassette 11 x 34. This suits this 60 year old weekend rider and can say so far am loving it. Expensive of course but aren't all new bike days. Each to their own on what they want but it's a positive recommendation from me.

@pablomarquez4431 2 жыл бұрын

I already removed my front derailleur and modified my chain ring to a single speed with a 48T and kept my rear 11spd 11-32. I love my set up. Been fine for 2 yrs like this.

@NLOsiris 3 жыл бұрын

"And I know this, because I googled it." Love these remarks.

@Schlafanzugmen 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations you've rediscovered the typical hub gear. Btw this concept is something that you can find on bike from the 80s but withput this bluetooth stuff.

@Diesel249 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same... It certainly looks similar to the old Sturmey Archer hubs from the outside

@bidipop1671 3 жыл бұрын

@@Diesel249 I was thinking the same too, I own a bike that looks like a single speed but has a Sturmey-Archer hubs with two gears. The only thing is that you have to backpedal to switch gear witch can be unsafe sometimes.

@simonebaffelli9666 3 жыл бұрын

For example my early 90s cilo city bike comes with a Sachs Orbit two speed hub gear, on which a 6 speed freewheel is threaded. No front derailleur, good chainline and no dropped chains. Nothing is really new.

@CandidZulu 2 жыл бұрын

@@Diesel249 Sachs had a lot of success with their 3x7 and I think they made a 3x9 also. It was made for a long time.

@30minuterides 2 жыл бұрын

@@CandidZulu still using a 3x7 on my Moulton , very reliable with updated sram shifters and mech

@jonathanspring7051 3 жыл бұрын

Great Vid - very interesting tech, bet we start to see this on lots more bikes

@PunchDrummer 3 жыл бұрын

When I was in my teens (40+ years ago) I had a Schwinn with a 3-speed rear hub. All you had to do to change gears was step back slightly on the pedals. Not enough to engage the hub brake, but just a little. I thought it was so very, very cool mechanically. No electricity, no Bluetooth, etc. It was available in the '60's and it was awesome! Here it is again (kind-of), probably a whole lot more complicated. I really liked this shifting method over the alternative of a three-speed shifter on the handlebars. Anyone remember? :) Now I have a Trek Pedelec (Bosch mid-motor), and I'm in the same bicycle heaven again.

@dariohug6669 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the looks of your mates when you climb an epic alpine climb in what seems to be a 50t chainring! :D

@gcntech 3 жыл бұрын

😂 worth the investment for that alone!

@ryanotte6737 3 жыл бұрын

"How? The cadence is high on that big ring? What sorcery is this?"

@MAGAIVER 3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanotte6737 just shrug and say you’ve been training more lately.

@ME-hm7zm 3 жыл бұрын

Sur la Plaque!

@sb-re7hz 3 жыл бұрын

I run a 50T 1x with an 11-40 in the back so I do this everyday haha

@sneakyfox4651 3 жыл бұрын

In the 1990s I had a friend who was touring a lot on a shoe-string budget. His bike was a steel frame with a Sachs gear system with a six-speed cassette and a cable-oprated rear hub Hi/Lo function. Very reliable, but it negated the quickrelease. However, after he chose to tour with a quite heavy home-built cart, I retrofitted the bike with two chain rings and a front derailleur, giving him 12 extra gears. He toured most of Poland at least once on that bike. As smart, efficient and durable this Classified hub gear appears to be, I'm so old-school that I find that a bicycle that cannot operate without electricity isn't a *genuine* bicycle. For me, it's a no-no to electric shifters and BT hubs. I want steel cables, even though they are slower and less precise. I don't mind the experimentation, though, because it has brought many benefits to cycling, even for me, like clipless pedals and ceramic rims (I know, my Open Pro Ceramics are laterally soft as melting ice cream, but they brake like nothing else in wet weather).

@richardaydon7692 3 жыл бұрын

That looks amazing Si and you look like one of the Yates twins in those extreme sunnies!

@49er701 3 жыл бұрын

i'm ahead - already fitted my sturmey archer 3 speed hub. Got rid of two chain rings.

@fofopads4450 3 жыл бұрын

can you mount a regular 10 or 11 speed cassette on it?

@nathanhobson1142 3 жыл бұрын

GCN should invest in a emotorbike for on the go filming. No engine noise droning in the recordings and no petrol fumes for the presenters and more eco friendly. Win win win.

@jaytmtb 3 жыл бұрын

I love everything about this, and the price will go down eventually so mere mortals can get to enjoy this As always great video

@christoph1246 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got absolutely no idea how it works but looks cool!

@kedarkulkarni3030 3 жыл бұрын

Really really need more videos like this

@popeye8364 3 жыл бұрын

What ads, with the benifit of more ads before during and after?

@andylock3247 3 жыл бұрын

I think to be a gamechanger it really has to be available at every price range and easy to fix/replace. Seems complicated and expensive, the beauty of the front deralier is its easy to swap or upgrade, easy to work on, easy to change chainring sizes for more options, don't need to do anything if I change wheelsets etc...

@nicktaylor7247 3 жыл бұрын

Paid product placement

@whatwelearned 3 жыл бұрын

But that's not how new technology works. You give something like this time and eventually the masses can afford it. Does it work and make sense, that's the question.

@andylock3247 3 жыл бұрын

@@whatwelearned agreed, however will it ever be cheaper and as usable as what we have now? I guess time will tell.

@l.d.t.6327 3 жыл бұрын

I can't see the logic it's easy to swap / work on a FD when you now have an alternative that doesn't even need maintenance / swapping / working on? You invent negatives that are simply erased with this solution: why would you need to change chainring sizes or swap wheelsets with a 0.7 front ratio and a 11-32 cassette and disc wheels that brake well in all weather circumstances? Expensive, yes, but within the (crazy) current market standards where each top end disc bike seems to cost close to 10 grant. Complicated? I don't know what is complicated about having no FD, and having close to no maintenance.

@whatwelearned 3 жыл бұрын

@@andylock3247 If it's currently 2k+ then it might be a while ha

@jswanson859 3 жыл бұрын

I really like this set up and hope to see manufacturers going in this direction. Simplicity.

@marcng2655 Жыл бұрын

Funny you should mention Andre Greipel. We were at Rouleur Live yesterday and your erstwhile colleague Matt Stephens interviewed Tom Boonen about Classified but also Greipel who is also an investor/ambassador! Best explanation of the system I've seen so far. 👍👍👍

@andyamos8594 3 жыл бұрын

One of the best ideas to appear of late! Bit pricey for many to be honest but lets hope it takes on! Brilliant!

@mikep1361 3 жыл бұрын

Well it includes a carbon wheel set... If those are any good (I'd hope they are) it's not that bad all things considered.

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 жыл бұрын

Old idea (remember Sachs/Sram Dual Drive?), just cobined with wireless operation.

@-paulmp 3 жыл бұрын

That set up costs more than my entire bike.. *sigh*

@tomahoks 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, twice as much.

@dunigan3320 3 жыл бұрын

It said it comes whit carbon wheels, some carbon wheel alone cost that.

@-paulmp 3 жыл бұрын

@@dunigan3320 then some carbon wheels cost more than my entire bike.

@dunigan3320 3 жыл бұрын

@@-paulmp yes

@markpalmer3071 3 жыл бұрын

The usual comment for all new bike tech.

@kevbone4809 3 жыл бұрын

This looks awesome. Would make a nice addition to XC mountain bikes as well. The ratios are way to big on the current 1x setups for the type of riding that I do.

@grazza-cm8oj 3 жыл бұрын

Looks very promising. My main concern (apart from overall price) would be the proprietary nature of the cassette.

@AndrewGrease 3 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome if sram adapted this under AXS - you'd have 1 shifter and it could smart shift through the range

@teundilles 3 жыл бұрын

Given they already have something similar with the dual drive hub, this could be a possibility.

@theRealDavidn 3 жыл бұрын

Sram all the way

@ChromeLuxx 3 жыл бұрын

@@theRealDavidn Except for the poor quality when compared to the top two (Shimano & Campy) and operational issues.

@jamsxr 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChromeLuxx agreed

@AndrewGrease 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChromeLuxx I might be biased - ridding sram for 3 years now, 0 issues

@swifty0000007 3 жыл бұрын

Modern development of an old idea... i like it👍

@edmundscycles1 3 жыл бұрын

1950's saw the advent of the browning automatic gear for the front chainring . That was awesome

@frutt5k 3 жыл бұрын

@@edmundscycles1 Don't forget the schlumpf mountaindrive

@oldcreaky 3 жыл бұрын

Three speed Stutmey Archer system fitted to my 1980's Raleigh Grifter comes to mind.

@dreimer2112 3 жыл бұрын

This seems to have a lot going for it. It's something that may very well appear on my dream Ti bike build in 2023, after the early adopters have paid for the R&D! I love the aesthetics of a 1x setup, and this is even better because it doesn't require a pie-plate cassette. Saying that, the cost of the cassettes could be a concern for me. Hopefully if this catches on the cost won't be too prohibitive.

@alb.1911 3 жыл бұрын

Finally a new useful tech! Fantastic, love it!!!

@markmitchenall5948 3 жыл бұрын

As a Brompton 6 speed rider, that has hub gear and rear derailleur, just glad that big wheeled bikes have caught up! ;-) I love this though. Would 100% convert me to 1x on big wheeled bike. If it were only a little cheaper!

@lesflynn4455 3 жыл бұрын

Give it a few years and it'll probably be the go mate.

@b.c.y.d2443 3 жыл бұрын

love the content but damn the motorbike sound is killin the vibe

@lesflynn4455 3 жыл бұрын

Don't cry, it's alright.

@derekmcmaster8191 3 жыл бұрын

Sounded like a skipping chain lol

@tonytimmington6492 3 жыл бұрын

@@derekmcmaster8191 They should use electric motorbikes

@nadsv93 3 жыл бұрын

They used to laugh at out internal speed hubs, but look at them now

@juliengroulx3096 3 жыл бұрын

That uphill demo was sick

@Ricobass0 3 жыл бұрын

Will definitely catch on. However, at that price I won't be replacing my 3 (S-A) x 8 hybrid setup just yet... LOL

@philipcooper8297 3 жыл бұрын

Ollie needs this! And an e-motor in the hub wouldn't hurt his performance either.

@jrustyshaffer5438 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent review. You guys do a super job at reviewing products. Thank you. As a recreational road biker, I love the idea of taking the front derailleur completely out of the equation. Aside from m cost, not sure why this isn't on every rec road bike - or at least an option.

@rolandfrerichs5625 2 жыл бұрын

For starters: because the hub alone costs more than the vast majority of complete bikes out there?

@TheScramble8 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool, I hope it takes off and the company has great success.

@magnusmandel 3 жыл бұрын

Combine it with a front derailleur for a 4x setup.

@miranassy2759 3 жыл бұрын

Genius

@DrunkieCat 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't better to just add another gear on the hub? Kinda complicate things more isn't it. So essentially it's a 3x or even a 4x if it's possible.

@user-ko5kk9ud8k 3 жыл бұрын

@@DrunkieCat i guess if you play around with the ratios right you can get an extremely wide range of gears

@DrunkieCat 3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ko5kk9ud8k Exactly, that's what I was thinking. You don't need a wide range casette or even a 13 speed. Get an 8 speed and you can easily achieve the same thing or probably better. With syncroshift you can easily make it a thing, let the tech do the calculation.

@Stoney3K 3 жыл бұрын

Using 3 shifters?

@vincenttichenor8373 3 жыл бұрын

For people who don’t want 1x, this would also open up great opportunities to retrofit 1x specific frames such as the 3T Strada (I know the Due exists) or the Allied Able.

@BrOnXaS 3 жыл бұрын

I am riding 3T Strada 1x and 50T 11-36 setup is not versatile enough. This is definitely a wonderful solution in this regard!

@slippycam 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah this feels perfect for the Able

@hugocarvalho1831 3 жыл бұрын

It remembers me of when Truvativ came out with the Hammerschmidt, on what I believe was a first attempt to bring a one by setup to the market. I had one on my Mondraker Prayer, it was incredible to ride, no electronics though and heavy as F#, but it was built to last !

@rodscher28 3 жыл бұрын

I like the concept of the hub very much! Would give it a try or - even better - a go!

@Swarfega79 3 жыл бұрын

Modern technology but still using Micro USB...

@metallusmelandril7380 3 жыл бұрын

LOL yes!

@idiachuk 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, lets spec all the new stuff with less popular interfaces.

@Ed.R 3 жыл бұрын

Why change stuff that works and it will probably only get used half a dozen times before the bike is upgraded anyway.

@otm646 3 жыл бұрын

@@idiachuk USB C has been the de facto standard for years now. I don't even know the last time I saw a micro USB cable around the house.

@dlevi67 3 жыл бұрын

@@otm646 USB-C spec was released in August of 2014 (IEC standard in 2016), so it's at most 6 years old (and much closer to 3 in reality). Plenty of older hardware still around - not everybody changes everything they own every other year. This said, yes, they definitely should have built in a USB-C port: it's more robust as well as being more recent.

@steveedwards263 3 жыл бұрын

This would be great on an MTB. Shorter cage rear mech and range of a 12 SPD. What about it Classified?

@vdiffdave 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. The ratio isn't restriced by the design, they could easily make a version with a 2:1 ratio for MTBers. An 11-32 cassette would be plenty on a big ring and we'd get some big gears back.

@and2244rew 3 жыл бұрын

I’d rather see pinion style gearboxes on mountain bikes, they just need to sort out the efficiency and shifting under load. I’d like to lose rear derailleurs all together, reduce unsprung weight, and eliminate derailleur damage. This could work for cross country though.

@peglor 3 жыл бұрын

@Rivfader Shimano 2x12 has over 600% gear range, which matches the range on Pinion 12 and 18 speed gearboxes. Damned shame the world's bike frame manufacturers have more or less stopped making any vaguely high end frames front derailleur compatible. Also Shimano's 12 speed rear derailleur shifting feels like absolute crap compared to first generation clutch derailleur 10 speed.

@yonseimatt 3 жыл бұрын

@@and2244rew Would be amazing on full sus bikes (I guess that's what you're talking about)- lower unsprung mass, and all that, but I reckon the Pinion gearbox (or the Shimano one, if they ever get round to manufacturing it) would be amazing on hardtails too.

@FactionalSky 3 жыл бұрын

I think it would be no problem at all to make a 2:1 version for a short 12 SPD. Let's just keep asking them. :D

@alanbengtson2774 3 жыл бұрын

I would love this hub for my cyclocross/gravel bike! 22 gears on a one-by set-up, awesome!

@kennymacm3031 3 жыл бұрын

Best all rounder I had was a Genesis ioid with a sealed hub. I reckon it's time to revisit that genre of transmission

@OwenWilkins 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, so you're the other person who bought an iOiD. Great system for muddy/dusty conditions, literally no maintenance and the big steps between ratios don't seem to matter. As long as you don't want weight-saving, and presumably most watching this channel are super-focused on lightness, hub gears are the answer to quite a lot of problems.

@jasonoftheworld6996 3 жыл бұрын

SI BACK AT THE TECH CHANNEL

@aerobrain2001 3 жыл бұрын

This linked with syncro shift would be awesome!

@PatrikStutz 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah! At best it could be connected to the Di2 bus and also draw power from there.

@ronaldneely7564 2 жыл бұрын

Back in 1976 when I worked in a bike shop I used a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub that had the threaded cog mount and put a 5 speed freewheel on it and used a triple crank, 45 speed. Climb a wall in first and go a 100 feet on one crank revolution in 45th.

@jongoerke 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I really want this now. Would be so awesome on my 1x gravel setup. Currently running a 9-46 e13 cassette to get the range I want for my 11 speed derailleur. Would love to have the closer gear ratios I have on my road bike AND get the big spread AND not have a front derailleur. Cool stuff. Thanks for the video.

@jascollinscork 3 жыл бұрын

Ooooh Si in a video!!! And getting his hands on some cool Tech!!! Wonder what the bike is under that paint job.... !!! Looks and sounds class I’d buy it!!

@pavlokhryshcheniuk7765 3 жыл бұрын

rildey noah

@christopherbudden1652 3 жыл бұрын

I think he said it’s a Ridley kanzo fast

@jayteeXD96 3 жыл бұрын

Think Si said it was a Ridley again

@TheGerm24 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't used a front derailleur for a few years now, but I don't need the widest range of gears. 1-by works well for me.

@SebBrosig 3 жыл бұрын

I had one of those, maybe 1982 I got a bike equipped with "Sachs Commander/Orbit" group. No wireless shifting and only 6 speed cassette bit still, same idea. Was my pride and joy and still is. I ride the same bike to this day every day, obviously replaced parts over time including the frame, by now there is not a washer left from when I was 15. Still the same bike though, never bought a new one since. Oh and when the frame broke the first time it was time to get a proper front derailleur.

@RobWhittlestone 3 жыл бұрын

Superb innovation. It sounds like they have nailed it. Possibly most economical on a new bike. Great innovation - and the icing on the cake is displaying your gears on your smartphone!

@R500JPH 3 жыл бұрын

Genius! What a brilliant system. Can’t see any downside other than the cost and the proprietary cassette requirements. I’m sure this will change over time though as it’s adopted by more bike manufacturers Another great video as always GCN 👍

@otm646 3 жыл бұрын

Planetaries have been around for a very long time, the reason they haven't been used in modern cycling applications is because the mechanical drag is substantially higher. I guarantee you this system comes at a weight and efficiency detriment.

@hogdog567 3 жыл бұрын

@@otm646 difference is that this is a two speed planetary gear system which massively reduces the negative aspects you mentioned.

@dlevi67 3 жыл бұрын

@@otm646 Which is not what they (Classified) say. Obviously. Not that any of this is hard to measure in a decent lab...

@rcg9573 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and about a 10% loss in efficiency versus a conventional 2X set up. Brilliant. LOL

@rcg9573 Жыл бұрын

@@hogdog567 Wrong. This system will likely run at about 10% less efficiency that a classic 2X set up just due to the internalized hub gears. Add in more inefficiency due to the extreme chain angles the chain is at whenever it is near the lower or upper gears of the rear cassette in this 1X set up and you are talking about a large loss of power. There is a reason why no pros or serious amateurs ride internalized gear rear hubs.

@TrailFeatures 3 жыл бұрын

This could be pretty useful in the MTB world also! Be able to ditch ultra long RD cages and massive 12spd 52 cassettes.

@philmcgillivray1142 2 жыл бұрын

They did this in MTB about 12-13 years ago. It was from Truvativ and called the Hammerschmidt. I had one fitted to a Canyon. Eaxctly the same concept but in place of the front derailleur instead of a rear hub.

@richardsandoval9349 3 жыл бұрын

Like always say let wait and see more time and the competition will bring it to perfection

@davehause8571 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Brilliant! The future is now. I'm totally sold on this.

@pmiller7886 3 жыл бұрын

Si and Lloydy have the most refined voice deliveries on GCN. There is a reason I like to listen to English spoken by those from England... it just sounds as it was intended to sound. Cheers Si!

@Realciderreviews 3 жыл бұрын

Put it on disc wheel for a cool TT setup

@ReneB099 2 жыл бұрын

Modern improvement on what I used back in the 60s👍 I had a Sturmey Archer 3sp hub mated with 3sp rear derailleur. Proved to be very reliable and effective system (no duplicate ratios).

@racketman2u 2 жыл бұрын

OMG that's what I thought of when I saw this video, it seems like a great idea.

@benjaminblabla 3 жыл бұрын

I like it, would love to try it!

@davidjones4242 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! When will the MTB version be available?

@jameslee-pevenhull5087 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a Sturmey T series with a sprocket cluster attached.

@frutt5k 3 жыл бұрын

Look up "SRAM Spectro 3x7" from the early 90's. Batavus used it in some bikes.

@markomacek920 3 жыл бұрын

CS-RK3 ? Too bad it has an overdrive gear instead of 2 reduction gears. (0.7 and 0.5 for example)

@westelaudio943 3 жыл бұрын

@@frutt5k Sachs, where SRAM got their IGH designs from, made a 2×6 IGH/derailleur combo called 'Orbit' in the early 1980s. This is nothing new under the sun, just fancied up with IOT crap. As someone who works a lot on old gear hubs, this made me chuckle a lot... Planetary gear train as 'revolutionary' in a bike, where they've been used since the 1890s...

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 жыл бұрын

@@frutt5k First there was Sachs Orbit, then after Sram bought Sachs it was Spectro, and then Dual Drive.

@frutt5k 3 жыл бұрын

@@einundsiebenziger5488 Just add a Schlumpf Mountaindrive to an existing 1X drive and you're cheaper off with the same functionality. Switch by a quick heel flick. No electronics. No battery.

@johnking3863 3 жыл бұрын

Often wondered about fitting a cassette to a sturmey-archer hub when I was a kid. Should’ve tried it :)

@danielakerman8241 2 жыл бұрын

Man, this is AWESOME. It seems to address every engineering shortcoming of a traditional setup without introducing any new ones. Other than cost, this seems perfect. I wish I could afford it!!

@rcg9573 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, except for the inconvenient fact that internal geared hub causes about a 10% loss in efficiency versus a conventional 2X set up. Just a slight issue. LOL

@danielakerman8241 Жыл бұрын

@@rcg9573 you clearly didn’t watch the whole video. Watch at 8:51 - The 90% efficiency you quote might be true of other systems, but this system has almost 100% efficiency, according to manufacturer. The bigger gear is just as efficient as normal derailleur setup, and the cost in the smaller gear is 2-3 watts, which is offset through other savings in the system.

@orvilleclisby6748 11 ай бұрын

Not 10% loss, tests on a modern three speed were 94%, 95% and 94% efficient.

@KaijuAlert 3 жыл бұрын

I took about 60 seconds to reach the "shut up and take my money" stage 😂

@einundsiebenziger5488 3 жыл бұрын

Save your money and buy a used Sachs Orbit or Sram-Sachs Dual-Drive hub. This idea is over 30 years old and was in production until the mid 2000s when the latest iteration with 3x9 gears was taken off the market.

@andrewnorris5415 3 жыл бұрын

"If you ask the price you cannot afford it, sir".

@paulgallagher2937 3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised its not been done before. It's actually nothing new, Brompton been doing it for decades. Just needed to adapt to a road hub

@nstrug 3 жыл бұрын

It's been done plenty before. It used to be common with tourers - use a triple chainring and combine with a Sturmey -Archer 3 speed hub.

@regisbrose4117 3 жыл бұрын

The Ridley Kanzo Fast is just gorgeous

@ttnyny 3 жыл бұрын

In terms of cycling, I came of age in the late 1970s and early 1980s and, while I am not entirely stuck in that era, it continues to influence me. I am no longer a sport rider, so a light touring setup with reasonably close gearing in the mid range and one or two very low gears works best for me. I don't need a very tall top gear. Frank Berto was a big influence when I was a novice, and I have had a hard time finding anything that works better for me than half-step with a granny. (Does anyone out there even know what this means?) I do have some experience with internal gear hubs, and was even a subscriber to the Epicycling newsletter during its brief existence in the 1980s. Perhaps the most stable, comfortable and versatile bike I ever owned was a modified Raleigh tourist (circa 1960s frame) with an AW hub and a 3-spd. Cyclo gear adapter for a total of 9 gears. (Again, does anyone out there even know what this means?). More recently, I have used a Shimano Alfine 8 and Patterson 2-spd. crankset, but only for commuting: both of these are quite heavy, and I would not want to take them on longer jaunts. Based on the review, it does seem like the Classified system could finally bring planetary gearing back to sport cyclists after a 60+ year absence. (Yes, Sturmey Archer hubs were once used by club riders.)