The Front Range: America's Most Underrated High-Speed Rail Candidate?

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Жыл бұрын

'Top 10 Places to Build High Speed Rail In the U.S.' by ‪@CityNerd‬:
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@MartinHoeckerMartinez
@MartinHoeckerMartinez Жыл бұрын
Low population combined with the isolation of the corridor from any other populated areas make it hard to give the front range higher priority over other more populous and interconnected corridors. It's a very good intercity corridor, and your arguments for it are valid, they are just weaker than the arguments that can be made on similar grounds for more populous corridors elsewhere in the US (the Chicago/Boston/Raleigh triangle).
@lucaspadilla4815
@lucaspadilla4815 10 ай бұрын
There's a lot of cities with similar populations along the acela corridor so its not completely far fetched
@MartinHoeckerMartinez
@MartinHoeckerMartinez 10 ай бұрын
@@lucaspadilla4815 the Acela corridor has many more cities and people. The sheer number of people on the east coast as compared to other regions in the US is why the north east corridor is in another league. The next most populous areas are adjacent to the NEC (for example Ohio or Richmond to Atlanta)
@OffGridUrbanist
@OffGridUrbanist Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a future front range corridor linked with the Rail Runner. Pueblo to La Junta to Santa Fe via Raton pass. Rails are already there.
@skywardlp4916
@skywardlp4916 Жыл бұрын
I think a 'Front Range' to the Rail Runner link is a no-brainer. The big issue with it is just distance; Pueblo to Cheyenne is actually about 80km shorter than Pueblo to Albuquerque as the crow flies, and when put like that you can see why the Front Range by itself is a lot more valuable than Denver to Albuquerque/Santa Fe. The other issue is just the potential routing. Pueblo to Santa Fe via the I-25 is probably relatively easy, but is an indirect route that certainly isn't ideal for HSR. A route that goes via the Rio Grande is a lot more direct, but requires navigating a ton of protected areas and Native American reservations, and the social and political reality is that HSR in the United States will never be able to ignore that (nor, in my opinion, should it try to). I'm of the opinion that the US should care more about Europe-style one night sleeper trains that can connect these kinds of cities that don't yet have any clear path to HSR.
@OffGridUrbanist
@OffGridUrbanist Жыл бұрын
@@skywardlp4916 I appreciate how you also mentioned that this is a collective area of population centers vs. individual nodes of large population. It seems as though most bean counters only consider a gravity model between two very large metropolitan areas and disregard a larger area of smaller trip generators.
@tonyburzio4107
@tonyburzio4107 11 ай бұрын
The RailRunner is barely afloat, now you want to saddle them with the Pueblo mess?
@oceaniafrontier6923
@oceaniafrontier6923 11 ай бұрын
I have been hoping for this for the last 10 years, it would be so much better than driving especially during weekends when there are bottlenecks on I-25. Although the one thing that I would change is having the line not go through Greely. Greely could have a separate line or shuttle and the main line would go through Ft. Collins, Loveland, Longmont, Westminster instead. It would better serve the NW side of Denver & and the more populated region west of 25. East of 25 is mostly industrial areas so HS rail just isn't practical for that area.
@user-ek3hx3tp4u
@user-ek3hx3tp4u 5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for making this video! I have been disappointed with many other urban planning channels recently due to their heavy focus on statistics. I am a resident of Denver and I am super excited about this project and I am very happy that you are making a video about it. There is some good news about the project. It received over one half million dollars in funding for studying and is most likely going to get federal grants. I will keep watching your work, thanks again!
@brianr4054
@brianr4054 10 ай бұрын
I live in Denver, and I would love to see HSR in the long term. THe problem is that their isn't a "paired" city to anchor the the other end of the line. Many of the cities on the line aren't currently big enough to generate a lot of riderrship. Greeley smells like a cattle yard and there is no reson for most beople to visit. I think in the near term, we just need quality intercity service similar to Brightline Florida.
@ianmcleod48
@ianmcleod48 7 ай бұрын
I think the first segment of front range rail will probably be more like conventional intercity service rather than high speed via the BNSF mainline through Boulder (although speeds up to 180-200 km/h aren’t impossible), but there are also discussions about plans for a future segment to Greeley. Colorado also studied a high speed line that would go all the way out to Denver’s international airport, which isn’t the craziest idea either. There is a lot of potential for a variety of services if we are being honest. I also think there’s an argument for connecting Denver-Chicago with as fast of a train as we can justify so people get that whole “it’s not connected to anything else” argument out of their heads. Just my thoughts!! I appreciate you treating this topic seriously, as a resident along the front range, it’s frustrating when people don’t take our transportation need’s seriously! So thank you, I really enjoyed the video :)
@jstnrgrs
@jstnrgrs Жыл бұрын
The biggest miss is that it appears theres no good way yo include Boulder.
@andrewhazelwood8604
@andrewhazelwood8604 Жыл бұрын
I believe the high speed rail should split at Denver and rejoin at Cheyenne with the east section serving Greeley and Brighton and the west section serving Boulder and Fort Collins
@StephanieDaugherty
@StephanieDaugherty Жыл бұрын
A local/express split, with HSR running partly alongside light rail or traditional commuter rail would actually be the best way. Express takes the most direct path, local takes loops and connects to spurs and has higher station density Provided that you have periodic station transfers to/from local/express, you'd get the best of both worlds - better connectivity and faster travel times, even if part of your trip is on a local line
@skywardlp4916
@skywardlp4916 Жыл бұрын
@@StephanieDaugherty I actually think you've got the best idea so far. I can imagine a service pattern where a 'full high speed' service runs the via Greeley route, while a local route takes the slower tracks via Boulder, maybe sharing tracks with Denver RTD focusing on the Boulder to Denver commuter section.
@itisnotmeMARCO
@itisnotmeMARCO Жыл бұрын
You seem overly focused on providing the straightest path between Denver and Cheyenne, but you are missing the context that Cheyenne is only a city of 65,000 and less of a trip origin/destination than many of the cities of Colorado to its south. Boulder (105,000) and Fort Collins (170,000) are both home to large universities which would drive a lot of demand from Denver if HSR were present (students and faculty traveling for holidays). I think this justifies the deviation in the path northward from Denver. Given that the corridor would be implemented in phases, it would make more sense to start to these two cities before worrying about a Cheyenne connection. The Denver-Boulder-Fort Collins route is already in desperate need of commuter rail, so implementing HSR along this corridor would allow the two to be constructed simultaneously with cost savings. Also, Greeley sucks and should only be considered as a secondary option.
@LucasDimoveo
@LucasDimoveo Жыл бұрын
I wonder if HSR would do some work to cool off the housing market in Colorado.
@itisnotmeMARCO
@itisnotmeMARCO Жыл бұрын
@LucasDimoveo Probably not directly since HSR is not typically used by commuters. But construction of HSR, might include rail improvements that support the existing commuter rail network.
@MrJohndoe845
@MrJohndoe845 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video! Keep it up! I subscribed and am looking forward to the next one.
@am74343
@am74343 4 ай бұрын
They really should just connect Oklahoma City OK, Amarillo TX, Pueblo CO, Colorado Springs CO, Denver CO, Cheyenne WY, and Rapid City, SD with one long train route. There are literally NO north-south passenger routes anywhere throughout the entire Great Plains or Rocky Mountains states. You'd think Denver to Dallas would be a natural candidate for high-speed rail. It would be great to take a train between those two cities in 5-6 hours!
@neighborhoodpranksters6214
@neighborhoodpranksters6214 8 ай бұрын
very good video
@lucaspadilla4815
@lucaspadilla4815 10 ай бұрын
I mean, this route should also include Santa Fe, Albuquerque, Las Cruces and El Paso to the south
@P4DDYW4CK
@P4DDYW4CK 11 ай бұрын
We have to build it along I-25 because it’d be prohibitive to acquire ranching land in Northern Colorado. That means Denver should build a better/decent Metro system with a major hub station at Mile High. There’s already a light rail line… but come on, Denver needs a serious Metro system. I think, until Denver improves its transit, there will be no excitement for a High Speed. The thinking right now is “why not just drive?”
@DivineStride
@DivineStride Жыл бұрын
Could go all the way down to Albuquerque too 😊
@Da__goat
@Da__goat 8 ай бұрын
Eh; money would be better spent improving the connectivity via regional and commuter rails in connecting the metros of Boulder, Denver, Aurora together, and then maybe an intercity line to Colorado Springs but even then, the speed limits here are already really high, you'd need to average 100mph or more between Denver and Pueblo/Colorado Springs and that might just be too expensive but that sounds like a question for Lucid Stew.
@davidjackson7281
@davidjackson7281 10 ай бұрын
That is an interesting proposal. The average speed of 100 mph makes sense. Though stopping every 30 miles or so seems a bit much. This topic is forcing me to understand kilometers. But I have to convert to miles in my head to understand completely.
@Joshisepic2222
@Joshisepic2222 Жыл бұрын
There is the current plans for an amtrak line going from peublo to Cheyenne
@tonyburzio4107
@tonyburzio4107 11 ай бұрын
Amtrak doesn't have enough equipment to keep what they have running. No, it's not the money.
@ryanfitzalan8634
@ryanfitzalan8634 11 ай бұрын
This would be down the list of potential regions for sure. but who knows, once the California system is completed, it will open the flood gates to states and regions drawing up plans, approving them and than holding their hands out to the Fed for their fair share. It may mean that it depends on who gets their plans drawn up and approved the quickest, so the eastern corridor or the midwest line may take some time because they are multi-state plans, while the Front Range is a Colorado system so it could get stamped and in process in a jiffy.
@tonyburzio4107
@tonyburzio4107 11 ай бұрын
Well that's not going to happen. Ever. Unless you mean Brightline to Vegas?
@ryanfitzalan8634
@ryanfitzalan8634 11 ай бұрын
@@tonyburzio4107 you don't think California highspeed will get completed? it is already started. its also not as expensive as the headlines make it out to be. 130 bil is way less than a large number of annual federal highway expenditures in the last ten years, i don't think its a problem of money, just lawmakers scared of opening the flood gates to rail while auto and oil are still whispering in their ears.
@NiAlBlack
@NiAlBlack 10 ай бұрын
I don't see that happening. Cheyenne is way too small, even for European HSR standards. They should rather upgrade the existing tracks to double track, electrify them, make them suitable for up to 160 km/h travel speed and introduce a proper commuter train service that also operates express trains.
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 10 ай бұрын
the "even Wyoming has HSR" effect could push the bigger projects. Also Dever is an expensive city that people want more options to communite in
@alexisdespland4939
@alexisdespland4939 11 ай бұрын
the fort collins brach should loop back to cheyenne via at least laramie and pif you have a stop at the airforce acadamy the airforce base in cheyeene. why dosen't it coonect to any airport theit should be a second brach to d=enver stapleton inteational airport and the land bank land to etend that branch to the colorado spaceport once the moon colony has enough demand from that spaceport. if you do the spaceport brach it should be built to a w larger gauge that permis frieght so all the suff that moves to the spaceport with the colonists can at least do some of it trip by rail a probably build a new etension south from peubluo to an easy place to build a new rail yard near the foot of raton pass to get as many moving tucks as possible of colorado highways .
@passatboi
@passatboi Жыл бұрын
Cheyenne is pronounced "Shy-anne". Not "Chay-en"
@skywardlp4916
@skywardlp4916 Жыл бұрын
Cultural and accent differences are a beautiful thing and should be embraced
@davidjackson7281
@davidjackson7281 10 ай бұрын
@@skywardlp4916I got a kick out of your pronounciation.
@commentorsilensor3734
@commentorsilensor3734 Жыл бұрын
Why rail fans want to expensive stuff in the middle of nowhere. HSR makes sense connecting multiple cities that have 5 million people with A++++ public transportation. Its ok the cities in between have lesser population, but t least it must have multple cities with million people. The smaller cities must have million of visitors. Note Wyoming is a Red oil state . Btw, do Wyoming people want to help who don't have cars. Wait train lovers say those are irrelevant.
@ggjohn303
@ggjohn303 11 ай бұрын
Correct. High speed rail only makes sense between major city pairs. Denver qualifies, but nothing else within 500 miles does.
@commentorsilensor3734
@commentorsilensor3734 11 ай бұрын
@ggjohn303 if it serves only pair, it doesn't qualify. It has to serve couple major cities along with small cities. Also public transportation has to be good. Check Tokyo b Osaka
@blowzo1998
@blowzo1998 Жыл бұрын
LOL Nobody lives there! And even if you're in one of the few cities, they are not walkable. You have to have a car out here because it's just so far from anywhere a train would run to your final destination.
@TheDragonRelic
@TheDragonRelic Жыл бұрын
Lmao then just densify the city and make it walkable. I’m slashing your car tires btw
@andrewhazelwood8604
@andrewhazelwood8604 Жыл бұрын
The cities in question have large enough populations that they don't have to be walkable to support intercity transit, even if people may have to drive to the train station (not in denver). Additionally, there is a large student population who are more likely to take transit
@freshstat1csnow
@freshstat1csnow Жыл бұрын
I think 5 million people is quite a lot more than "no one" and the area is growing pretty fast in terms of population
@tworoyboys208
@tworoyboys208 Жыл бұрын
I live in Denver, it's not the best but it's definitely somewhat walkable/bikeable, as are Pueblo, Fort Collins, and Greeley, as well as Cheyenne and Colorado Springs to an extent. All most all of these cities have buses that run every 30 minutes, and Denver has a rail network already
@freshstat1csnow
@freshstat1csnow Жыл бұрын
@@tworoyboys208 Colorado Springs is only really walkable downtown in my experience, anywhere up north is very poorly covered by the bus routes with some places being 2+ miles from the nearest stop
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