Now why would we do that? We are not your average mortal beings.

The worst movie reviewer ever. Why did you not make fun of the director?

When you said not every spider man movie needs to be Spider-Man 2 and and to be a true Spiderman fan you don't have to like one specific interpretation you earned my respect and attention to watch your video all the way through.

Browntable Maybe watch the movie before making a video about it. Practice what you preach, dude.

Ethan Gutierrez You’d think that, but the way he talks about the movie proves the contrary.

Boy.

@@Browntable Yeah

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@@HiTopFilms Free pizza for you and Browntable for this amazing video!

PIZZA TIME

Enzo Dapan which is the problem

Well said👍🏻

More like all of the power, none of the responsibility, and oh look at these teenagers acting like 12 year olds, aren't they so adorable??? Quick, let's add a joke about how hot Aunt May is, also add some Iron Man nostalgia scenes, and throw in a JJJ cameo who somehow feels like Alex Jones.

That's why Homecoming is much better. Peter only depend by himself how to beat Vulture. Not being a pet of S.H.I.E.L.D

Enzo Dapan he is still a pet by tony stark that’s the problem, he is treated like a brat who cannot do anything right and when he does something right he gets a new suit, I swear he is treated like a dog, if your blind to that’s fact he is like ultimate then your the one being foolish

Does MCU even care about continuity?

@@dylanoshea5065 Evidently not.

@@dylanoshea5065 nope

@@dylanoshea5065 they care. However the whole aunt may progression were treated like a science journal summaries, through pointer and dots. Instead of letting us see the progress and hear aunt may side's on Peter hero act, while also letting aunt May grow as a character by letting Peter to choose his own heroic path, they just skipped it.

It’s not like it is

I feel like people also get bent when someone says mcu Spider-Man is best one

@@yodogjc1797 We do but it's because it kinda spits in the face of what made the character. He doesn't have any problems outside of trying to be Tony Jr. Because of that he's definitely the easiest to like but it kinda takes away from what made him great.

the same could be said when somebody criticizes(srry for wrong spelling) raimi’s spiderman

@YoDog JC of course fans do because it has factual proof behind it mcu Spider-Man is the worst live action when it comes to what makes the true character of Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

@@yodogjc1797 Of course we do, as fans of Spider-Man, not necessarily Raimi it's just a shitty version. If you want other good versions look at the PS4, TAS, Spectacular, comic book versions etc. MCU Spider-Man is basically Iron Man Jr. It's ok to enjoy them as silly comedy movies i guess but they are certainly the worst Spider-Man adaptations. Even the most recent shitty cartoons of him adapted him more properly.

Giving it to Harley Keener is still a lot better choice than Peter Parker because he’s into mechanics more than Peter, not to mention that he modified the suit ALONE while Peter needs Ned’s help.

Why would Tony make edith if weapons manufacturing was stopped in first ironman movie

Uh you fucking think dude Tony is a fucking dumb-ass.

he shouldn't have made EDITH in the first place

Pepper would never accept it she was against all this. Rhodey would most probably hand it over to government

The new relationship is kind of older sister and younger brother rather than aunt/ adoptive mom and son.

@@moonisusman4072 The relationship between them barely exists. Whenever I think of Aunt May I think of a relative of Spider-Man that he goes to for advice and when he’s struggling. Here, he just holds it all in, and never talks about it, Tobey held it in too but he eventually overcame his struggles, Tom ignores it.

At least some of it was still there in homecoming. I like the scene where May freaks the fuck out when Peter goes missing.

There’s stuff omitted from sally field’s aunt may that makes me cry when i see it in full. She was there for him and raised him since his father, who he’s so obsessed with, abandoned him. After she says she doesn’t know how to manage without ben, she tells peter that he’s her son, her and ben’s kid.

@@elmuchacho3379 not going to lie the scene when she is choking up and calling Peter her boy made me tear up cause she is such a good actress I actually felt so bad

Here's your 69th like

@Erik Kemeey yah

exactly, a single phone call, a new suit, staying in 5 star hotels across Europe this version of spider-man seems to have more of an easy life then any other version of spider-man ive seen so far, what a joke

091MW2 “What made the Raimi series so good was that every single character was super developed,” That’s not even sort of true. You’re not even trying to be intellectually honest here. “The interactions between all these characters is what created the drama.” That’s literally the case in Far From Home and Homecoming as well. “Also I’m surprised that no one mentioned the fact that in Far From Home when Peter was stuck in the Netherlands during his lowest point, all he had to do was make a phone call to Happy.” Ok. ... I’m waiting for you to explain why this is an issue.

091MW2 “It would have been much better to have him get out of the situation himself and see him develop into the real hero he’s supposed to be” That’s literally what we DID see, you lying dumb-ass. Like, he explicitly develops into the hero he’s supposed to be. Watch the damn movie

this Bubbly Goodness “exactly,” Exactly nothing. Both of you are yet to explain the alleged “issue.” “a single phone call,” Which wasn’t wasn’t even on his own phone. He literally had to borrow it from a stranger. Also, you know that Peter being somewhere else doesn’t make Happy cease to exist or Peter forget numbers, right? RIGHT? “a new suit,” One that HE MADE. Way to leave that out. “staying in 5 star hotels across Europe” What? If you’re talking about Civil War, that’s more than seven years prior. And if you’re talking about Far From Home, that happens a grand total of ONCE. Not “across Europe.” And that was only because Fury interfered. “this version of spider-man seems to have more of an easy life than any other version of spider-man ive seen so far” And clearly none of those versions you’ve seen so far includes the MCU version, because he has the furthest thing from an easy life. You’d have to not be watching to movies to miss this fact. “what a joke” I agree. You’re pathetically bad lies are a joke. You didn’t even pretend you’ve watched these movies.

@@RM-cn8pw Uh oh the MCU fanboy is triggered

Pizza well yeah, it’s like 10x the length and also a work of art

You say that like Spider-Man PS4 is supposed to be some Saturday morning cartoon for 8-year-olds...

@@NarutoStorm3Rocks Absolutely not, but it's lighter than the first two sagas =)

@@ThePizza28 time hehehe

PS4 Spidey is better than most live action Spidey movies, if not all

Right

I’m more than sure that every spider-man fan understands why Spider-man is special, but yeah I agree.

Then why are you expecting him to be the completed, grown-up Peter Parker at the BEGINNING of the coming of age story??

@@keeganmclean2017 Because there's an inherent difference between skipping the coming of age story and repeating it ad-nauseam 3 movies in a row without letting the character move forward in the slightest. No? Homecoming is about Peter learning the meaning of responsibility by not relying on Stark's suit and about finding his place as a small time hero. He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop someone bad (Vulture) from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Tony) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices and becomes his own hero. FFH is about Peter learning the meaning of responsibility (his actions having severe consequences and almost getting him and his entire class killed multiple times) and stepping out of Iron Man's shadow (whatever that's supposed to mean for Spidey I guess?) He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop someone bad (Mysterio) from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Fury) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices and becomes his own hero. NWH, (spoiler alert obv) is about Peter LEARNING THE MEANING OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THE FACT HE IS THE REASON THE VILLAINS ARE ON THE LOOSE AND HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP THEM. This time, the consequences come to pass and his aunt pays the price. He learns that with his abilities, he has the unique power to make a meaningful difference and stop some bad guys from making the world a worse place, and he can't rely on others (Strange) to fix his messes. He is left to his own devices (sorta) and becomes his own hero. Seriously. All three of these fucking movies went in a great big circle and pretty much put us where a lot of us assumed the character was after Civil War: A young Peter who's already gone through his origin story, and has a new suit and is ready to face the world. The only reason people are distracted from this fact is because they cram those movies full of MCU lore and fanwank and the last one went full on to bring in previous actors to wow everyone into forgetting this is now the third time Peter has pretty much been a stupid kid who didn't learn the lessons we thought he already was well past the point of knowing.

@@Slimshadow457 No, the reason people are "distracted from this fact" is because it's not true. You can boil pretty much every Spider-Man story to "Peter once again learns that with great power comes great responsibility." But that fails to capture the nuance and meaning from each film. This whole trilogy is about Peter learning to be Spider-Man with a smaller and smaller safety net around him. In Homecoming, Peter proves that he doesn't need Stark's direct help to be his own small time hero. In Far From Home, he learns that he not only has a responsibility to larger threats but that he can and should face them without any other heroes providing him a safety net. Stark being dead (FFH) and just not in the final fight (Homecoming) are quite different if you actually think about it from Peter's perspective. No Way Home is about Peter learning that his loved ones can actually get hurt from his irresponsibility, so he chooses to be COMPLETELY ALONE rather than risk their safety. At the end of No Way Home, he truly feels like a grown-up Spider-Man who knows the meaning of his responsibility...and that's exactly what the trilogy was aiming to do. Bring Peter from a naive high schooler to a mature Spider-Man.

say that to the people who are flaming everyone for opinions lmaooo

@Mr. Soul No, it's an opinion. He literally says so in the video multiple times because he knows it. He appreciates that people can have different, valid opinions liking and disliking this movie.

Why Ryan paye wasn't in here i was expecting him in here?

Have you seen HiTopFilms review? Or any others that are negative? They all have a lot more dislikes from angry MCU fanboys

I personally agree with Hi Top . When I learned about how much people kept liking mcu Spider-Man, I decided to check it out. I watched civil war,and liked him in that movie sooo I decided to watch homecoming .After watching it, I had a weird feeling ,I couldn't feel the charm of Spider-Man, my first ever introduction to the character was Spectacular Spider-Man, I didn't see Spider-Man,I saw Tom holland dressed as Spider-Man. I watched videos of people having problems with the MCU incarnation. I saw the gameplay/story mode of insomniacs Spider-Man and I new what the MCU was missing. A lot of MCU fanboys say tobey was a good Peter Parker because he was nerdy,andrew was the best Spider-Man because humour ,and Tom holland is both a he is nerdy and humour. Which makes him the best . Which I completely disagree with .Spider-Man isn't 2dimensional . There is more to him than nerdiness and humour,Hi Top said it perfectly .Tom holland himself called his Spider-Man iron man jr. Again everyone has there own opinion but I hate when these MCU fanboys bash others just because they think he is the best. The reason they think he is the best is far from the true character of Spider-Man Have a nice day

Still better than the overrated Homecoming.

@@shinndig1293 nah, homecoming handled Peter's arc much better and far from home retconned that

@@bloodfinity Trying to impress Tony Stark is NOT what Spider-Man's motivational arc should be based around.

@@shinndig1293 I completely agree. But my point was that at least homecoming had him getting out of Tony's shadow and being his own man but far from home retconed it and made his arc contradictory ,one scene ,Happy is telling him not to be like Tony and the other ,Peter's creating a suit and with ACDC in the background looking just like Tony

@@shinndig1293 you’re kidding right.

You're late...

The only proper way to watch a spider-man critique video is by eating pizza at the same time.

@@PhoenixEnforcer101 I missed the part where this is my problem

hell yea

GOOoooOoo

Yes, I got that too.

You're right. That brand being heavily on Peter's youth and quirkiness. That is his marketable image that Marvel wants to focus on and keep. To change the character drastically is to change the brand image.

That's Disney for ya

No it doesn't

@@hennis124 Even if that's true Peter is gonna have to grow so...

Why just why

Exactly! Peter should be a tragic character. We should see the challenges he faces that make him more into a better hero overtime.

isnt that just iron man 3

Pizza Time

what is the FilmHub family tree? what I've concurred so far is that Bailey is the father of Mauricio and Mauricio is Alex's dad

@@anthonylamonica4110 I am the father of all

Even myself

MAAAAN, I LOVE THIS TRIO SO MUCH!!! Is there a posibility of a colaboration with browntable?

Are you someone's sugar daddy too?

Leonardo Silva Fr that was the most goofy unrealistic scene I’ve seen in a spiderman movie.

@Zane Drake Ok boomer

@Zane Drake wrong

Srikanth Ramprasad The symbiote is supposed to make him more irrational and selfish. Like in the spectacular spiderman cartoon tombstone pays him money to not go after criminals and he takes it because of the symbiote. It’s not supposed to turn him into a cringy weirdo who dances everywhere with a big ego. They made Tobey Maguire takes months of dancing lessons for his scenes.

@@tyy2387 He did the weirdest things before the symbiote got on him. Like that poetry thing from spiderman 2 and also his ego clashed with MJ many times as he kept talking about spiderman when she tells her problems. It actually makes sense for that version of Peter to be dancing like that.

We are crying

Not crying

Vijay Damerla These two are definitely not chads.

@@RM-cn8pw What's a chad?

Sal Reyes It’s a slang for, I think, a muscular, popular man who gets a lot of women.

"Cough" "Cough" Ps4 "Cough"

@@angeloacevedo5494 haha yeahh

Have you ever read the comics?

@@SpectacularSpiderFan there's a difference between an idol or a celebrity crush essentially

@@vivid119 No clue how that's relevant since Peter looks up to Tony as a Father and mentor but ok

MCU is more popular than most other franchises. Theres more fans and because of that more toxic ones. I am not that into the MCU but they arent a bad fandom

You act as if Hack Snyder and DCEU fanboys weren't cancer to society though. MCU fans can be stupid but there's a list of fandoms with more toxic people

@@alonsoarana5307 Nah, you don't have to go out of your way to apologize for any DCEU criticism beforehand, in fear of massive trolling and losing subs. Besides, this "if you bring up Marvel, I gotta bring up how worse DC fans are!" knee-jerk mindset sorta makes me think I'm on to something. Hardcore MCU fans remind me of Beyonce fans with the hive mindset, looking down at other fandoms because of the success of their own product, while at the same time lowkey exhibiting the worst traits that smaller fandoms of less successful properties exhibit out of jealousy . Hardcore MCU fans have no excuse. You've won. It's the most successful commercial enterprise in cinema history. Why should you care if others DARE to point out the flaws?

@@lacolem1 I think it goes both ways. Its very successful which gives a sense of pride for supporting it but also insecurity cuz we know that even though overall it has a meaningful story but not all mcu movies are meaningful. Again its not only mcu fans. Weirdly enough, from what I've read, seen and heard from commenters and friends, I've noticed that dc fans actually accept their universe's early flaws but Snyder fans get more angry even when his movies have legitimate flaws regardless of them being dc or normal movies( not saying he's a bad director or all his movies are bad but no one mcu, dc or anyone else is perfect).

Funny when DCEU fans or Snyderfans are considered Cancerous but weren't they the ones who donated for suicide prevention? Weren't MCU fans shit talking the little girl that played Ironman daughter? Hmmmm toxicity at its finest 👌

To be fair, forgetting Iron Man's overinvolvment, Spider-Man stories were always connected to the larger heroes world, from the very beginning

Peter Frank well I mean, the villains hated Osborn for a similar reason in PS4. And I like Tony Stark way more and would rather have a villain hate him. It was down well in a Earths Mightiest Heroes as to why Wonder Man hated Tony Stark. On the other, Osborn is a jerk and responsible for so many people becoming villains in various adaptations and prospers and gets away with it.

I feel like that was the aim of the film. To bring Spidey out of the shadow of Tony and make him his own hero. I think this is a pretty good theme and idea for this version of Spidey, but I just feel it didn’t execute it well

This is something Shazam tackled very well, that I think Marvel can learn from. It felt different from any superhero movie I have ever seen, as it actually felt like... you know, a movie. Sure, there were nods and references to the other heroes in the universe, but they were background elements, realistically woven into the characters’ lives. The focus was on Shazam from beginning to end, with another hero only showing up in the post-credits scene as a joke. In Marvel movies, there are constant references to other events and heroes in the universe, and while it’s great for world-building, it makes it impossible for any hero to feel like their own hero.

@@ultimatehope549 you make it sound like one kind of choice is better than the other It's just a different approach. Marvel has always been more interconnected. And using the larger world informs Peter's journey in these movies

M.D. V must be really enjoyable I bet

Hitop is the son of browntable.

hiTop is awesome

You know they will

Sugary Heaven lmao their gonna have the villain be a Tony stark industries janitor

Shut the fuck up

@@cybernerdcreations4475 Mop-Man. His Mop is made of Nanotech, & it can turn into a Lightsaber.

Even if it’s a movie late, I hope they finally tackle the fact that Stark shouldn’t really be Peter’s role model, and use it to finally address Uncle Ben.

lmao where was that from

@@simonegreco1958 one of the shorts made by hitop

@@shutup9505 ooooh right, the Spider-Man 3 dance scene, correct?

@@simonegreco1958 I'm pretty sure it's the new horror short that Hitop made himself which included a girl and her ghost boyfriend

@@shutup9505 oh ok, thank you

A lot of the supporting cast do feel like background characters.

You can still have a Teen Comedy Movie with fleshed out supporting characters. This chose not to.

Yeah, because its necessary that we get Ned's anime backstory.

@@SpectacularSpiderFan please, as if we asked for 20 minutes worth of background story. We just need something to add his character depth. Outside of being Peter's BFF, likes Star Wars, and likes Betty, does Ned had anything else going on? No, because that's all he is meant to be according to the MCU: a comic relief. The problem is that you can apply this to any MCU Spidey cast as well, even to MJ, and then see the pattern.

@@LockeGran I missed the part where the movie was called "Ned & MJ"

Except it doesn't

I think it’s the point. because it was supposed to look fake because mysterio made it up

looks more nickelodeon to me

Hi I'm Tom Holland from Spider-Man Far From Home and you're watching Disney Channel.

Did it change? I thought it was the same as on the ferry, except this time he succeeded. Explain if you would.

I got no probelm with high school comedy, but what they did is high school comedy done wrong. It's just comedy for the sake of it.

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom the thing is though, there's high school comedies and then there's spiderman, and i just dont think spiderman is meant to be a highschool comedy

@@thisbubblygoodness7611 I think it could work but FFH isn't that.

​@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom i was gonna suggest that they could do a caricature TV kids show where nothing is taken too seriously, but then i remember they also did Marvel's Spider-Man (The TV series) and realize that they suck at that too, so im all out of ideas

Jovany Marquez “They are so obsessed with doing high school type comedies.” It’s almost like Peter is in high school, dumb-ass. Also, last I checked, ding something a grand total of twice is not being obsessed.

Eh idk if there really superior i just watched them both too reevaluate my opinion on the but tbh i like both about the same with spiderman 2 being a lil bit above them and homecoming not being too far behind imo

Yes I agree.

Spider-Man 1 and 2 will always be superior films because Raimi wanted to make a Spider-Man movie. He cares for the character and properly understands him as well. Him and his crew put in all their love and soul into SM1 and 2. That's why those movies will stand the test of time as two of the best Spider-Man movies of all time. I have no fucking clue what Jon Watts is trying to do. He's said that he doesn't have any experience with Spider-Man comics. Makes sense why he had two chances and still can't make a proper Spider-Man movie. Makes me appreciate the TASM movies a little more tbh

Well I don't think that he HAD to have 2 solo films. Admittedly considering that your complaint is that he needs more growth a solo film could help as it would obviously give more focus, but it's not an inherent truth and acting as such is kind of silly

I'm Actually a SPIDER-MAN Fan More than than a Marvel Diehard Fan and I'm sad that Peter Parker became like an Iron Man Jr. Spider Man is Supposed to be his OWN Hero, Not some Sidekick, Not the Next Iron Man. and Hopefully the Next MCU Spider-Man Trilogy will Focus on Peter Being his OWN Hero instead of an Iron Man Jr. And should be Focusing on His Responsibility. I Grew up with Spider Man 2002, and Spider-Man 2 and I still think they're One of the Best Comic Book Superhero Movies to Ever Match up with the Dark Knight.

HiTop guys loves to trash MCU Spidey, and he also likes the amazing saga. What the fuck?

@@ma77ias.v he doesn't like the amazing saga. Just made a video about the first one and what it did right

Matias Valenzuela because MCU Spider-Man is trash

@@patrickbateman9458 wow. Spiderman Fanbase is incredibly toxic, just because its different doesn't mean it's "Trash"

NK8 COMPZ so agree with you. This whole spider man fan war needs to stop now

@@igota100inscience9 That's very clearly not what they were complaining about and you completely missed the point. Read it again.

@@igota100inscience9 He's not the one who didn't even read the comment correctly before getting angry and insulting someone.

@@igota100inscience9 Idiots are people who insult people because they don't know how to have a proper discussion.

Mono Kid lmaooo whaaat really? I’d beat the hell out of that guy if he was sitting next to me. What a disgusting thing to do in public.

Mono Kid hey can we have a proper discussion about the new aunt may

General Kenobi Hello there

@@Tommedian he’s an imposter

@1Yan00 very recently and even then it's not that much

@1Yan00 I could say the opposite too.. DC gets a ton of hate from ignorant marvel fans

@1Yan00 Yes.. i still have hope that the future of the dceu will be good

So Flash basically stole Harry Osborns gig?

@@dts_draco Except Harry actually got with MJ - so Flash is even beneath Harry.

He’s not less popular than peter

@@Saint0999 You kidding? He’s the punchline of every joke from every student. Even the stereotypical nerdy Asian kid is sassing him without a worry. He’s less popular because the majority of the population are as nerdy if not a lot more than Peter, so someone like Flash there is even more of an outsider.

@@alexman378 right but hes not less popular. the kids in the group prob like peter more but peter isnt popular in school

Just Some Guy without a Mustache 👋 hello

@@XforrestgumpX there

HEUAAAAGH (Tobey maguire scream)

god damn the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies are so memorable and fun

C R I N G E

Yeah. Apparently, not liking every other live action Spidey now makes you a Raimi fanboy. It's hard to believe people use that as an argument and kind of just.... complain while at the same time making no sense.

@@wtfstudios4093 I prefer the Raimi movies, but I still think Spider Man 3 was shit.

@Erik Kemeey well in a way thats a good thing. Maybe this way we could actually get a Spiderman film from the MCU that ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE ONE.

@@hwanniggles187 We do, three in fact, we just got the third less then a week ago today. They’re called Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home.

Even his own comment sections' top comments are making fun of him. Not saying that's a bad thing inherently, but damn. I could hardly find anyone agreeing with him or even acknowledging his good points.

Zed yes there was when he called people who get affected by other people’s opinions idiots

Zed I also chuckled a bit, it caught me off guard. Just because u didnt find it funny doesn't mean it's not a funny joke. Like ur comment, I didn't find anything funny in ur comment but u put a laugh out loud (lol) there.

oh wow. people are now bashing smth as subjective as humour too hmm.

I feel grossed out by the shirtless scenes I'm ok with it in the other movies but in this the character is a minor

It feels kinda gross. Especially the scene where the adult shield agent was telling him to take off his clothes. People would have been pissed if that was a grown man telling that to a teenage girl

simonegreco I only like when the Chris bois and Paul Rudd are

@@linusmckinney3515 He was just changing. That was the joke, that other countries don't sexualize nudity the way the US does. If it makes you feel better age of consent in that country is 15

Marvel always tries to shoehorn in scenes of their jacked actors without shirts, it just felt really weird this time since he’s supposed to be 16 and someone is making him strip down

@Erik Kemeey did anyone like age of Ultron?

@Erik Kemeey any reason the "nope"

@@daryltor7608 theres many reason that bunch of people make videos about it lol

@@edogawaconan945 Based on the reaction that he had. Yeah people are going to respond

@@daryltor7608 yeah and I agree with them Imao

@@edogawaconan945 Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Talking as someone who grew up with Raimi and appreciates the MCU take on it I'd rather have Browntable and even HiTop in the discourse than most of the people I see in the fandom The superhero community can be very ignorant and toxic, having these two simply presenting views I do not agree with isn't really much of a problem

While i like Far from Home and its probably one of my favorite Spider-man films, i do at least appreciate that Browntable judged this movie as a film and not just complaining about Far from Home being inaccurate to the source material or not being like the Raimi films as a reason for why they feel the movie is bad and he does bring up legitimate flaws with the movie that i do agree with.

That's a good point it's why one of my favorite MCU movies is Thor Ragnarok because it feels like it's own thing

The marvel movies follow a formula and look and feel the same thats why i dont watch those movies, other than Spiderman. I am very dissapointed with how they have handled spiderman as a hardcore Spidey fan. After TASM 2 dissapointment i was upset Garfield dropped out and i was so stocked for the mcu Spiderman but here we are.

agreed, i think the fact that the spider-man movies have to rely on this whole bigger cinematic universe really affects them and not in a good way. i've always seen spider-man as a standalone piece and i'm really not a fan of how much they're tied to the mcu and iron man as a character in particular

​@@athenajaxon2397 and that's why you don't deserve friends.

People want the more accurate or better the best version of the character. Fundamentally the MCU got it wrong after Homecoming because they actually did a good job establishing his character in Civil War.

Spidemian Yeah

Spidemian yes really

Spidemian what consequences did Peter get in the MCU. He’s too tied into Iron Man. Spider-Man never really struggles in these movies.

@@averagebat761 that's provably false Come on now

it definitely says a lot when the MCU's "15 year old" Peter/Spider-Man sounds & acts more childish than a 13 year old Harry Potter in Prisoner of Azkaban

Or just have mix of both for god sake

@@ATalesTruth- that’s what I was getting at it. I meant more important to Peter in general, not more important to him than Tony.

That's actually a really good idea, and something I'd like them to do for the character

Matt Reeves not including the Waynes was a joke

Yeah I have complete faith in him and pattinson. I was just using it as an example :-)

@@batmanfan6207 he actually said he would address it but he wouldn't go full depth on it they're not going to do what homecoming did by ignoring Uncle Ben completely.

Batman Fan you didnt get it did you😂Matt Revees not including the death of the Waynes is a April Fool's joke. Of course they're dead!

What? I was just using it as an example, like I said I have faith in Matt reeves and pattinson that they will deliver a faithful and good adaptation of batman

Into the Spider-Verse had different versions of Spider-man - all of which I feel captured the essence of Spidey. I can't, for the life of me, say the same for the MCU version.

What do you feel are the main differences?

simonegreco For me, at least, I always loved Spidey because he was a genius-level intellect who still felt like you’re average pure guy who just wants to do the right thing. He struggled with financial issues, depression, psychological trauma, girls, stress, etc. just as we do. But despite this, he was his OWN SUPERHERO and was always able to achieve his goals with his wits, intelligence, and his own power. He made a name for himself and was able to achieve greatness by his own merits. However, in the MCU, he starts out like this, but is subsequently constantly put into a place of luxury and privilege. I won’t go too in depth with it, but he no longer feels like his own hero. He feels like a pawn of tony stark.

@@keno4770 this would be a good point if the part about privilege wasn't false Tony just gives him suits. He doesn't give him financial aid. He doesn't make him more popular. He doesn't make his social problems disappear. Peter is still is own person. He just had to deal with superhero pressure, something that couldn't have happened in the comics to this degree not because the personality differs, but because Peter was a first generation hero. That's not the case with the MCU, and that's ok

simonegreco don’t just focus on the financial aid. The main problem goes back to what I said earlier. In other incarnations, whenever Spidey would be up again a villain he couldn’t beat, the only choices he had were to use his own intelligence and/or to self-innovate new ways of using his own technology or small set of powers. In the MCU Tony has given Peter a multi-million dollar suit that has about as many excessive bells and whistles to get Peter out of every possible situation (oh yeah, and it has an A.I. just for shits and giggles). You can say that he learns to function without it at the end of homecoming, but he goes right back to using a special high-tech suit as his default in this film. This completely takes away the sense of ingenuity and that aspect of being the underdog that is associated with Spider-Man. This is only accentuated when we realize that he can always call happy hogan to get him out of a tough situation. Also, I hate, and I mean hate, the whole thing of them trying to make tony peter’s uncle Ben. I get that it has to do with Tony’s redemption and him leaving behind a positive legacy, but it comes at the price of seemingly ignoring peter’s fundamental reason for being the hero that he is.

Yes but this would have worked better if we gave MJ and Peter a real friendship that felt genuine and good instead of just a crush if we felt like Peter wanted to take the next step and get out of the friend zone and maybe be helping MJ through something difficult like let’s say her mom died from collateral damage during the snap and she’s a bit depressed that would be great and having peter want to be there for his friends would be much more compelling have being Spider-Man become something exhausting something so hard to bear so awful always fighting and Peter can’t take it anymore that would have been much better and would have made this movie 10x better But they decided they would rather have a funny road trip movie You can still have drama and comedy honestly but if they had put a few of these plot points in this would have made the film way better

@@zandyman2577 exactly she should've gotten more scenes in homecoming to develop her as a possible love interest and show us how she actually struggles with getting close to people like she says they also deleted a scene where may and peter pick her up because her dad didn't after the washington monuement incident that would've been so cool giving us a friendship to buildup on and giving us a reason to care and also showing how mj might have a negligent family that doesn't discuss their feelings which makes her less social and gives us reason to why she has struggle with getting close to people love mj in no way home but she would've been amazing if she was given depth like gwen in tasm or even mj in tobey's films she may be annoying but she's an actual character rather than an object for peter to win over

What do you mean?

@@krishnalakra6013 He meant MCU Peter had a lot of common to Miles like 1. Went to a gifted school 2. Have an Asian friend ect

I dunno about that but Ned definitely feels like someone just confused Ganke for Ned Leeds

When not in the MCU, Peter Parker is just Miles Morales but with _extra steps._ By “steps,” I mean character development.

@@daviewz9335 Cof One More Day cof

Batman returns is cool

Brilliant sum up

@@ATalesTruth- Thank you.

it’s dominated by him bc ppl give him that power. both the fans and the haters treat his opinions as if it was a law being passed and that’s why he is where is today.

@Chandster Well, yes, that's what I think

@@puny2008 Kinda sad honestly. I think it's fine to change your mind when presented with new opinions and data but some people just straight up parrot him Jay Excl wasn't enough apparently

I mean he makes a pretty compelling argument. I'm not gonna sit here and say that the new spiderman movies are terrible, but you can't deny this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films. Maybe he dominates the discourse here because he's... more right than not?

​@@yomama5368 "this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films" some of them, sure. Mostly Disney's owns "he's... more right than not" not really And I do intend to make a response video to him some day, with another account I don't have the time now, but it's gonna happen Anyway, from what I remember from HiTop video, there are multiple instances of bad arguments (or arguments I could easily counterpoint) I could give example, but it could be a wall of text You tell me, if you are interested enough

Honestly, the fact that HiTop still thinks the movie is about Peter becoming the "next iron man" says a lot to how little attention he paid or how biased he was going in, when the movies whole third act is about how Peter isnt iron man, hes spider man

I agree that's what the movie was going for but it kinda fumbles it when the only people who seriously call him out on the mistakes he made are the bad guys. I wish it had been a bit more like how Steven Universe handled the ramifications of a certain dead characters actions. Also most minute change I'd make to the movie to avoid mixed messaging is instead of playing ACDC, Peter asks for the Ramones or something similar.

@@Lynch2507 yeah at first I was "hey it's being a while since I last watched something from him" and I quickly remembered why... when he likes something his videos are great, but when he doesn't he's pretty much dense.

@@biazacha it depends on what he's talking about tbh

Well there's different ways to present an idea in film. First being through dialogue where anyone can say "You're not Ironboy you're Spiderboy," and the other is directing actions which FFH didn't do well. They literally made Peter build a suit like Tony, while his iconic song was playing. It's not good film making when one contradicts the other.

While I do think Spider-Man is tied too much into Iron Man in his movies, his introduction is actually genius, from a screenplay look at least. Let's think about this: you have a superhero, possibly the most popular superhero of all time, start off with two masterpieces, but then have a couple of mediocre to bad movies, and it is clear those who are currently in charge of said superhero don't know what they are doing. At the same time, you have these other people that are using the rules the most popular superhero of all time created to make good to great movies back to back about other superheros. Oh and the superhero that is doing bad actually belongs to the other superhero crowd. In order to, I guess "redeem" the great superhero, the people in charge decide to lend him to the other guys for a while. How do you reintroduce the character naturally without making it jarring into an story line that has been going on for LITERALLY YEARS. Spider-Man being introduced through Tony Stark is the perfect way to do it. Even HiTop Films did an entire video on why it was perfect, so you should check that out.

It comes natural given the state of the MCU The movies made Iron Man the most popular character Spider-Man was next in line for that role given that he is Spider-Man and Iron Man was on his way out They choose to address the inevitable elephant in the room

Offscreen he wae the kid in IM2 with the IM mask. But that verbal retcon never became part of the plot. Feigie loved making up stuff offscreen

@@yash_kapoor The introduction is great but that's just on Civil War. Homecoming and FFH should've been more.

@@univeriseman8008 that's not what "offscreen" means

I agree

Yah

@Erik Kemeey Fun that you ask, I actually had my 2nd viewing earlier this week! The movie's charm and value definitely held up! An opinion of mine that got stronger after the second viewing is how the Dock Ock bridge battle sets the bar too high. The remaining Spidey Villain battles, especially the Goblin battle, have their moments but the Ock fight is choreographed and executed as if it was straight out of the Raimi films. It was intense and lightning fast, just as Spidey fights should be. Everything else feels too tame by comparison

@Erik Kemeey Oh damn, hahaha. Oops, I have still not rewatched Far Away from Home and have no desire too.

@Erik Kemeey it was great

Another girlfriend of Alex detected.

@@MsHugeman69 But he's still right

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