Makes sense. Wonder if there's a mod to have a Christopher Lee voiceover while the Furnace Golems do their thing.

Really just like berserk

"Oh god, no! The bees! The bees!"

Dog too

Did Messmer at LEAST cut out the Dragon's Heart? Cuz if not then that is the biggest waste of resources in possibly all of Elden Ring

@@gunsevenwhillans420 Well, Messmer's snake friends have rudimentary drake-like wing + grand altar of dragon communion is located in Shadow Lands, so Messmer occasionally munching some drake hearts is not hard to imagine.

I think that the concept might actually be that burning the dragon is what allows the Golems to actually come to life by fusing the dragon's Bloodflame into the inanimate material. It would explain why the Furnace Golem's can launch inexhaustible quantities of flame once they're started, and it's also why you can hear draconic roaring coming from inside the burning cores of the regular Guardian Golems.

@@PierceArner What do you mean "Fusing dragon's bloodflame"? Dragons don't have any sort of bloodflame, that stuff is caused exclusively by blood of the Mother of Truth being exposed to oxygen. Although fusing drakeblood into the material could work, since it holds insane amounts of magical power - as evident from the Player Character if he partakes in the Dragon Communion (the Arcane stat determines your own innate magical power in this game), and as we see from the existence of Messmer and the fact you can cast fire-based spells with the Dragon Communion Seal it is entirely possible to convert arcane power into fire through some magical thingamjiggery.

My exact same thought

hahahahahahah

Well now I'm sad

i will *not* be imagining that, thank you very much fuck. i'm imagining it

Jesus

Gotta give people some thaddeus from wow nightmare

It must have been like that during the messmer's war of conquest of the Shadow Lands. They would have advanced by throwing prisoners and victims alive into the furnace. As the golem shakes its head, the fire intensifies, and the victims scream more intensely...the game turns into a horror game.

that'd be surreal!

That's what I'm calling them too.

I'm still calling them Giant Fire

@@jonl3609 same here, the meme lives on.

Okay, so I was also see One Reborn and Rotten vibes from this too. Glad to see others noticing.

The jars are pretty bad. People whipped until their skin started to ooze with infection, then melded with chopped up sinners and shoved into a jar.

​@@capablanc I think the jars are animated corpses using magic, but then again the area in Shadow Keep may disprove that..?

​@@capablancmy theory is that the Hornsent of Belurat were the ones doing that to the villagers as a means of reaching divinity through sacrifice. The Hornsent have some association with the crucible because of their horns and the crucible is an amalgamation of life so maybe the Hornsent tried to have their Empyrean ascend to God hood by imitating this with the jars. We know the culture yearns for divinity given the name of the dancing lion but they failed and Marika started a crusade as revenge and became a god by using their own sacrifice method against them

Wdym vile? How so? It looks cool.

Even worse, that visage is supposed to represent the face of the Fell God to them, as it seems they disliked it as much as Marika. So at least 3 groups (Marika/Hornsent/Zamoreans) had it out for the Fire Giants.

Plus, certain item descriptions state that the Hornsent terrorized and persecuted the Shaman village where Marika lived by rounding up the Numen, mutilating them and stuffing them in jars. After ascending to godhood, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow with his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where Hornsent themselves are stuffed inside to serve as fuel for the machine as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery with its horned mask of the Hornsent’s own fell god of fire. It’s like a fantasy mecha in the form of a walking charnel house. I’m just fascinated by the overall design of this thing!

@@iboofer Four, the ice dragons like Borealis were also enemies of the giants.

​​@@VictorIV0310what items are you referring to?

Wait it can pickup dragons? I'm surprised but this thing looks cool af.

I am currently unsure if you mean that Messmer burnt evidence of his atrocities, or if you meant that entirely literally and that Messmer liked to throw his clothes into his war machines rather than clean them.

@@theawickward2255 "Mother....wouldst thou truly wearing sanction in briefs so bereft of white?"

Peak efficiency.

@theawickward2255 He’s a demigod trust fund baby, he’s never had to clean anything in his life. He doesn’t know what to do so he just throws all his dirty clothes, plates, cups, bowls, and cutlery in the fire golems and buys new ones.

@@WASDLeftClick Please, Miquella & Godwyn were the trust fund golden children, Messmer is clearly the eldest son who's had to work his whole life to try & appease his narcissistic mother, who still abandoned him anyways.

Weak. That's why I touch grass always.

Bacon! Crispy, crispy bacon.

bbq

According to some fire fighters people burning smells like bbq except until you smell the hair.

mmmmffgghhh... 🤤

Probably smells like burnt hair and charcoal

Romans being Romans, the guys who generally referred to anyone not from the Italian peninsula as “barbarians”, there’s a good chance I think that Cesar added the detail of there being people inside the wicker men to make his memoirs more exciting, portraying him as the noble and brave Roman beating civilization into the backwards Gaul barbarians.

@@WASDLeftClick I fully believe that lol

"nooo!!! it's obviously a berk reference!!!"

​@@theobell2002 berserk invented the entire fantasy genre, step aside Tolkien

@@metalsludge8205 berserk is high-fantasy and it was most likely conan that started it

The hornsent crammed marika’s people into jars now the hornsent are crammed into the furnace golem by marika’s people I’m sure the Parallel is intentional

Where does it state in the dlc that the hornsent wronged the numen? Might have missed it but there is very little lore on mesmers Crusad3 which is disappointing since it's probably my favorite aspect of the entire dlc

@@abhorrentweeaboo4104From the Jar’s Remain we got in the DLC. We can even see the yellow hair of Numen like of Marika.

@@abhorrentweeaboo4104 There's a spirit at Bonny Village who says that shamans have no right to complain about being tortured and forced into the jars because that's supposedly why the shamans were even born. The village that Marika is said to have lived in is called the Shaman Village.

Except the crusade is NOT Messmer's idea Marika told him to do the crusade, and to make himself a symbol of fear, and to take all the curses , hatred, and anger of the hornsents upon himself . We see him hating his own flame and wishing for it to go out While Messmer's not an heroic guy at all, he's a tragic character, and a lot of the fault has to be placed on Marika.

Now you're cookin with gas. It's a symbol of both the omen and the sun. Dungeater used it to further add isnult to injury and to represent the unyielding fire of the sun, causing endless burning and suffering. It's a cool mix of lore

​@@jestercorn2775 The fell god is also a discarded god of the crucible

@@theneef174 What kind of head canon bullshit is that. Nowhere does it state that the Fell God is an aspect of the Crucible. It's not even clear if the Fell God is an Outer God or a god similar to how Marika is.

@@grimmsby3011 Lamenter's mask.

It really is outstanding how often Fromsoft can reuse a concept like "an enemy made of corpses" and make it refreshing and unique each time.

Not any worse than the hornsent.

It probably didn't, sadly. The only two attestation are from Caesar and then later a Greek guy repeating what he said, both firmly entrenched in the "my source is I made it the fuck up" stage of historiography. Human sacrifice among the celts was not unheard of but was very rare. It did eventually make for one banger movie tho.

@@MarilynMalkovich Yeah, and the Romans considered the Celts "barbarians" so they were probably more than willing to make up things about them. There have been some wicker effigies burnt in more modern times (minus any kind of sacrifice), though.

@DivideByW They did every year in Scotland up until about 2015, though to my knowledge that had a bit more to do with the film (which happened to be filmed around the same area) than any longer tradition. Still a neat a bit of revivalism

@@MarilynMalkovichplease don't say 'sadly' lmao

⁠@@MarilynMalkovichmakes me wonder if the wicker men were just man-shaped hollow cages for straw and other flammable things, if it even existed, because Roman’s be romans they made it sound like the celts put people in these things

Indeed, it was. This DLC pulls no punches is showing off the horrors of mass slaughter.

More of revenge by Marika, the wickermans are a lot similar to the shadow lands jars when it comes to torture

You've better eyes than I. I missed the head sticking out.

An interesting observation. Someone will probably make a lore video about it

Wasn't that for the forge he's literally guarding..

It’s for the forge he’s guarding, not the Furnace Golems.

@@__Nameless_one__ The forge is way, way bigger, it would be like trying to use an ordinary plate to cover a whole cauldron.

​It can go either way unless you pull evidence that it is indeed smaller and not just LOOKS smaller.... .​@@milokonna

Nito did it first

​@@chaoticstarfish3401not exactly, he had his main body, just decorated with others skeletons

The One Reborn in Bloodborne??? Aldritch in DS3?

​@@lexmarovsky6667 this thing has a body, and decorated it with burnt humans

shadow of the erdtree is Dark Souls 2 3

Nope referenced in context to Elden Ring... today was a good day and i feel fulfilled

@@Grenzgengar From Software creates a lot of creative creatures, but none as ingenious as Jean Jacket. What a historical inventive monster.

On a related note, the design of the furnace golems seems to be a sort of twisted karmic retribution towards the Hornsent approved by Messmer and Marika. The shamans were mutilated, then stuffed into jars to become saints by the Hornsent so in response, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow, his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where the Hornsent themselves are rounded up in droves, dead or alive (but most likely still alive for extra cruelty), to be stuffed in the golems and lit aflame to bring it to life. Imagine the screams and howls of terror and agony and the smell of burning flesh as the golem surges to life; An instrument of death’s first gasps of “life” brought forth by the deaths of so many within its frame to serve as fuel for the golem as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery as it wears the horned mask of the fell god of fire the Hornsent so feared.

@@VictorIV0310don’t forget he also plopped a dragon in there, probably to help with the fire or something, either that or he just thought it would’ve been funny

At least they weren't stuffed alive into jars to become an amalgamation of flesh

Greyoll is a looooooooooooooooooooot smaller than that dragon. A size comparison between Gransax and that huge dead dragon would honestly be more interesting.

I'm sure Zullie will do a comparison between Granssax and what I assume is Florissax's former body.

@@jacobkern2060 It appears to be a drake and not a real dragon last time I checked, so it couldn't have been Florissax's former form. Although I may be mistaken, I should look again.

@@gunsevenwhillans420 Definitely a drake. Plus if transforming into a humanoid form required them to discard their dragon flesh, then Lansseax shouldn't be present on the Altus Plateau as she also became a priestess of the Ancient Dragon Cult. They can probably go back and forth as needed.

Plus, certain item descriptions state that the Hornsent terrorized and persecuted the Shaman village where Marika lived by rounding up the Numen, mutilating them and stuffing them in jars. After ascending to godhood, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow with his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where Hornsent themselves are stuffed inside to serve as fuel for the machine as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery with its horned mask of the Hornsent’s own fell god of fire. Marika must’ve made very explicit instructions to Messmer to inflict as much karmic retribution upon them as possible. It’s like a fantasy mecha in the form of a walking charnel house. I’m just fascinated by the overall design of this thing!

@@VictorIV0310 I’m just wondering what did that poor non-horned horse do to deserve being stuffed in there. Actually the corpses don’t look particularly horned now that I look at them. Not even like the horns are shorn, they look like normal humans 😮 So who is actually stuffed into the golems?

@@ElementroarAside from targeting their enemies, they’d probably just dump whatever corpses they find to keep the golem powered up.

@@VictorIV0310 i think in the timeline Marika conquered the lands between before sending Mesmmer to do the genocide. Thats why we have Raya Lucaria assisting Mesmmer and also she probably took the giants flame and gave to Mesmmer.

​@@VictorIV0310the war was after she had conquered the lands between, since Rahdan was already born

On a related note, the design of the furnace golems seems to be a sort of twisted karmic retribution towards the Hornsent approved by Messmer and Marika. The shamans were mutilated, then stuffed into jars to become saints by the Hornsent so in response, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow, his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where the Hornsent themselves are rounded up in droves, dead or alive (but most likely still alive for extra cruelty), to be stuffed in the golems and lit aflame to bring it to life. Imagine the screams and howls of terror and agony and the smell of burning flesh as the golem surges to life; An instrument of death’s first gasps of “life” brought forth by the deaths of so many within its frame to serve as fuel for the golem as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery as it wears the horned mask of the fell god of fire the Hornsent so feared.

you can bait them to legdes and toss giant fire pots inside of it, 5-6 pots kills this thing

Alternatively, you can stagger them three times and then they’ll fall over, at which point you can critical hit the mask for massive damage. I took out the starting area one that way, at any rate!

On a related note, the design of the furnace golems seems to be a sort of twisted karmic retribution towards the Hornsent approved by Messmer and Marika. The shamans were mutilated, then stuffed into jars to become saints by the Hornsent so in response, Marika orders her son Messmer to wage a brutal, genocidal war against the Land of Shadow, his most prominent war machine being the massive furnace golems where the Hornsent themselves are rounded up in droves, dead or alive (but most likely still alive for extra cruelty), to be stuffed in the golems and lit aflame to bring it to life. Imagine the screams and howls of terror and agony and the smell of burning flesh as the golem surges to life; An instrument of death’s first gasps of “life” brought forth by the deaths of so many within its frame to serve as fuel for the golem as it marches over the land as an instrument of terror, destruction and mockery as it wears the horned mask of the fell god of fire the Hornsent so feared.