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The GAME CHANGING mechanics of UMK3 you didn't know about

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3 жыл бұрын

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@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
Biggs has a KZfaq of his own where he dives into even more detail on topics like these. He's also that god tier Reptile player from a few highlights ago, so go show him some love: kzfaq.info/love/BoIhD8qBJ1WckQuPOMmpTA
@JNAMOTORSPORTS
@JNAMOTORSPORTS 3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna learn MK series outside of being a kid and having fun with it. I’ve been a competitive marvel vs Capcom and street fighter player. Your channel reminds me of all the school things and lore of the arcade days along with learning the right way how to play this series Thank you for what your doing!
@Iqzzy-KO
@Iqzzy-KO 3 жыл бұрын
Sick vid Ketchup! :)
@MaximumLowBlow
@MaximumLowBlow 3 жыл бұрын
I remember in Deception when both players fell off Falling Cliffs and died, Player 1 would still get the round as they bled out on a rock
@Revacholiere
@Revacholiere 3 жыл бұрын
I think everyone who played the game tried that to see what would happen, haha
@Angrymonkey2489
@Angrymonkey2489 3 жыл бұрын
On rare occasions, it also made the announcer say "Player One, takes the Leader!" I'm kidding, that's MKD chess.
@WalnutSquatch
@WalnutSquatch 3 жыл бұрын
@@Angrymonkey2489 Weird way to kid but ok
@Angrymonkey2489
@Angrymonkey2489 3 жыл бұрын
@@WalnutSquatch Dip, I meant to say MK Deception.
@shantygaming694
@shantygaming694 Жыл бұрын
“Feature” LOL
@sillymizooker
@sillymizooker 3 жыл бұрын
plot twist: the AI has both glitch cancel and frame advantage
@vd_sv
@vd_sv 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like mk2
@karlluigi1987
@karlluigi1987 3 жыл бұрын
That's probably MK2
@derekfcc
@derekfcc 3 жыл бұрын
And blocks immediately on input
@AnomalisticD
@AnomalisticD 3 жыл бұрын
“The AI in this game is FCKED” -MrGstar321
@GEAsolar
@GEAsolar 3 жыл бұрын
_lol mk2_
@BlueStar72
@BlueStar72 3 жыл бұрын
The year is 20XX. Everyone plays Kabal at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on frame advantage.
@ryantehcomposer
@ryantehcomposer 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, please no 😂 I compare a lot of things to Melee. Kabal is like fox, and I'd say Ermac is more comparable to Falco than Human Smoke, and Kitanna is like Jigglypuff... But please, I don't want to see 20XX for UMK3, I've already seen enough Kabal mirrors 😂😂😂
@notdope4922
@notdope4922 3 жыл бұрын
Cultist base is a sick song no matter where it is
@NEXTKINGDOM14
@NEXTKINGDOM14 Жыл бұрын
Indeed good sir
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone 3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe I just learned something new from UMK3
@monot00nz
@monot00nz 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously. It's my favorite MK game and I never knew this.
@TehDrewsus
@TehDrewsus 3 жыл бұрын
Shock and I were talking about glitch cancel and frame advantage a bit ago... They used to call it glitch cancel because originally they thought it was a glitch. I think we were going to try to start calling it frame cancel or something like that.
@RoyArkon
@RoyArkon 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree on that one.
@freedustin
@freedustin 3 жыл бұрын
1 player gets frame advantage. 1 player gets recovery advantage.
@JoJoZiddy
@JoJoZiddy 3 жыл бұрын
Its 2021 and we're STILL learning new things about UMK3. Just goes to show how incredible this game really was.
@xoiDROCKiox
@xoiDROCKiox 2 жыл бұрын
So this is why my cousin spammed jump kicks and it was always in his favor. Couldn’t put my finger in it but I’m so glad now there’s an explanation about these and it’s so in depth!! Thanks man!
@mostverticalproductions4808
@mostverticalproductions4808 3 жыл бұрын
I love how UMK3 is just like one big accidental mess but that's what makes it so great.
@RoboMelvana
@RoboMelvana 3 жыл бұрын
with every day i find out i understand this game less and more at the same time also popped up hearing vermilion/nagisa's theme from toshinden 3
@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
Best soundtrack in the game
@bartoj03
@bartoj03 3 жыл бұрын
This blew my mind and literally explains so much about the thousands of rounds...won or lost...over the years. Great video thanks so much x
@TehDrewsus
@TehDrewsus 3 жыл бұрын
My understanding of the advantage to having glitch cancel is that your moves hit one frame behind. So the input comes out, then you do the freeze on frame in that specific example, the hit registers when the freeze comes out which is why you are allowed the extra hit
@gonzalotorres5282
@gonzalotorres5282 3 жыл бұрын
So that's why "high level UMK3 matches" got both players punching and whiffing to see who gets the short end of the stick.
@YURTZYN42
@YURTZYN42 2 жыл бұрын
The good thing about C.sub vs male ninjas is that if your relaunch fails, it usually ends in a blocked uppercut. This pretty much resets to neutral and really no harm done to the C.sub player and they're just like "Oh, oh well I didn't have it." so its kinda almost always worth going for if the JK into slide won't kill.
@ShadyLizack
@ShadyLizack 3 жыл бұрын
I've been playing umk3 since first released back in the 90s I have never heard of this, so thank you for clear this up
@zilly1652
@zilly1652 3 жыл бұрын
never knew about glitch cancel, but i always did find it fishy in mk2 attract mode when the AI came close to each other, started jabbing at the same time, and one always hits their jabs over the other
@RoyArkon
@RoyArkon 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard about these before but never understood what they really were, you just explained it in such perfect detail. Thank you so much for this vid dude, fantastic work!
@michaelacosta3213
@michaelacosta3213 10 ай бұрын
Amazing Channel! Rediscovering UMK3 from a competitive perspective and all this material has been so helpful. Thank you so much!
@th3SyLvEsTeR
@th3SyLvEsTeR 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that you put out content for this game! I dont get to play it but I loved watching this game being played at high levels!
@bloodyiori
@bloodyiori 3 жыл бұрын
I love the Battle Arena 3 Nagisa/Vernillion stage music at the end. Very informative video and great to hear one of my favorite fighting game's music at the end.
@ninjagrinder
@ninjagrinder 3 жыл бұрын
You impressed me this time, man. Good job and a perfect explanation. First time I saw an application in combos, was in 2001, I was blown away. Shock is the one who kind of explained us all back in 2003-2004 I guess.
@MKKTeam
@MKKTeam 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful video bro! This is one of the many very, VERY high level awareness you need to have, so as you said, one has to adjust the gameplay according to this. Awesome!
@MKKTeam
@MKKTeam 3 жыл бұрын
Just adding a bit more: therr are ways that the player without advantage can win a jab vs jab scenario: not cancelling their jab with Block so the active frames last more on screen. This has its drawbacks and risks as you may guess, because you will not be guarding yourself for an special. But there lies the beauty of all this! ❤️
@bloodbathkrieg8010
@bloodbathkrieg8010 3 жыл бұрын
Been killing it with the content lately dude!
@rdm7770
@rdm7770 3 жыл бұрын
UMK3 is one of my fav games and I didn't know about glitch cancel vs frame advantage.
@z.scott.porter
@z.scott.porter 3 жыл бұрын
And all this time I just thought my friend mashed the jab button faster than me. Great video!
@Major_Kenny
@Major_Kenny 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, doesn't this count as a bonus MK Meta? Btw i loved the MK Deception konquest mode playthrough, you should replay it to finish the other side quests. Keep up the great videos.
@michaelpassmore9369
@michaelpassmore9369 2 жыл бұрын
What a truly GREAT video!!! Learned a lot - thanks!
@JSevion
@JSevion 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder why the modders wouldn't just put an indicator as to which player has which advantage during each round
@Dimebag333x
@Dimebag333x 3 жыл бұрын
Seen these things happen over the years! Just never knew this was that!
@fazares
@fazares 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats for putting VERMILLION theme from BAT3 (and many others from this game) as this video BGM :D
@Axel_Xirics_Music
@Axel_Xirics_Music 3 жыл бұрын
So i learned something new ... about a game ... that's nearly my age, barring the very first one, which came out the exact same year i was born. Freaking ... cuh-razy!!! Awesome video, man! 🖤🖤🖤🖤🤘🤘🤘🤘
@shinfitz
@shinfitz 3 жыл бұрын
Are these also present in Trilogy?
@Sn0wyzinCoDe
@Sn0wyzinCoDe 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always! And also do you plan on making another MK meta vídeo?
@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
Always! And now I have more time to make a project that big >:D
@huleyn135
@huleyn135 3 жыл бұрын
this is ridiculously in depth..such an interesting balancing decision
@InsidiousOne
@InsidiousOne 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, classic MK balancing: "We'll compensate our bullshit mechanic with another, even more bullshit mechanic"
@0animestudio0
@0animestudio0 9 ай бұрын
thank you so much for all of these valuable infos
@00mike91
@00mike91 3 жыл бұрын
Back to back post? Loving it❤️
@Reazie
@Reazie 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to have a reason why glitch cancels work. I'm forever trying to do swaggy ermac teleport glitch cancels in the corner
@no64256
@no64256 3 жыл бұрын
"It's a feature" Jokes aside, I really love your videos, even if I have only ever played MK casually. Also, is this "mechanic" in MK Trilogy as well? If not, what replaced it?
@krumpkrumpkrumpkrump
@krumpkrumpkrumpkrump 3 жыл бұрын
Rocking the battle arena toshiden 3 ost, good call on the muzak
@BridgetGX
@BridgetGX 2 жыл бұрын
BATTLE ARENA TOSHINDEN 3 music?! My dude. Toshinden was GOAT, 3 was one of my favorite games ever growing up
@kgthesupreme713
@kgthesupreme713 3 жыл бұрын
I use to love Classic Sub-Zero combo. Putting his hands to together balled up hit you across your jaw then volley ball slaps ya chin 2x. These combos are forever gonna be classic.
@Pedalbored
@Pedalbored 3 жыл бұрын
Is there an UMK3 Cabinet? I’m really wanting an authentic one. Thanks for the content!
@SkyangelPR
@SkyangelPR 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this is new to me, awesome 🔥🔥🔥
@biggwill21931
@biggwill21931 3 жыл бұрын
I've played tens of thousands of matches in UMK3 and have definitely noticed this before.
@09BertoSS
@09BertoSS 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew this about UMK3😳
@Tsinij
@Tsinij 3 жыл бұрын
I KNEW IT! Teen me didn't understand all the lingo, but old man me is like, "Sonofa... I tested this as a kid and couldn't figure out what was going on."
@ClassicBentobox
@ClassicBentobox 3 жыл бұрын
This is actually a really good trade off for frame advantage
@peterfairchild258
@peterfairchild258 2 жыл бұрын
Scorpion is butter and subzero is water...butter and water a new channel 🔥
@Boinkstyle
@Boinkstyle 3 жыл бұрын
Battle Arena Toshinden 3! Nagisa, Duke and David's stages!! I'd be inclined to pay good money just to see you play and explain
@lenin17301560
@lenin17301560 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@STK_AKUMA209x
@STK_AKUMA209x 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing info
@christianziko4073
@christianziko4073 3 жыл бұрын
Another video already?!?!?! Say less!!!! Love the content homie
@RashaunEatOreos
@RashaunEatOreos 3 жыл бұрын
The relaunches I always did it with Kabal and subzero tho and by mistake
@Ariesgodtron
@Ariesgodtron 2 жыл бұрын
wow this is really interesting and i never knew.
@masterj6654
@masterj6654 3 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing AI for the time
@samiRetro777
@samiRetro777 2 жыл бұрын
sometimes stages involved in c-sub relaunch
@p_touch6403
@p_touch6403 3 жыл бұрын
2021 umk3 mind blown! ✌️
@eba56
@eba56 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even play mk but this is quite fascinating
@sourthecat
@sourthecat 3 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the Toshinden 3 Music!!
@alfredex22
@alfredex22 3 жыл бұрын
What!? Hahaha thanks a lot man! I didn't new that, wow
@cleverestx
@cleverestx 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I never knew this...very cool....does this also apply to vanilla MK3 (arcade)?
@khhnator
@khhnator 2 жыл бұрын
this is insanity
@izder
@izder 3 жыл бұрын
*Does that exist in MKT n64?* *bc i remember that kabal/jax combo often whiff if blocked*
@MgoUmk
@MgoUmk 3 жыл бұрын
its noticeable harder the Sindel Corner Infinite when she doenst have the frame advantage
@RicardoNecrofear
@RicardoNecrofear 3 жыл бұрын
These "mechanics" feel more like 'bugs' xD
@davidhurst4883
@davidhurst4883 3 жыл бұрын
I wish these OG MK games were on the Switch
@armorbearer9702
@armorbearer9702 2 жыл бұрын
With modern emulators, could you choose if you want frame advantage or glitch cancel?
@pohlman1
@pohlman1 3 жыл бұрын
the oogis Boogis
@sasquatch884
@sasquatch884 3 жыл бұрын
That's kool
@galio7741
@galio7741 3 жыл бұрын
Hehehe that's why i always won against the AI in Towers, i just spammed low punch
@moimoi8219
@moimoi8219 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even like Mortal Kombat, I just enjoy listening to these videos a lot.
@RoastedPheasant
@RoastedPheasant 3 жыл бұрын
But why did these glitches never get fixed? With all the updates, mods and tourney editions, there was never a push to normalize or remove these mechanics?
@TheGoldenLlama
@TheGoldenLlama 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@christiankettlewell
@christiankettlewell 3 жыл бұрын
What version do you play this on? I have trilogy on PlayStation but load times are so bad I really can’t be bothered. But MK3 SNES was always my favorite and I’d love to play
@l11l1venom1l11l
@l11l1venom1l11l 3 жыл бұрын
So the Ultimate Cup hack has all of the stages from Trilogy + Smoke + Rain? Is this what I'm seeing? And the N64 versions of the MK1 & 2 levels? Did we finally arrive to this?
@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's got hella stuff
@contempris2383
@contempris2383 3 жыл бұрын
Non Boxer calling Crosses "Jabs" gets under my skin.
@eightbittemplar7394
@eightbittemplar7394 3 жыл бұрын
Jab is a fighting game term generally used for your quickest attack. It could be a lot worse: in Street Fighter, all heavy kicks are called roundhouses.
@contempris2383
@contempris2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@eightbittemplar7394 My mistake then. Apologies.
@eightbittemplar7394
@eightbittemplar7394 3 жыл бұрын
@@contempris2383 Nah, no worries.
@toxic_shr00m
@toxic_shr00m 2 жыл бұрын
Why does the shadow sometimes move at one frame differences seemingly randomly?
@Couponkingdom
@Couponkingdom 3 жыл бұрын
@PNDK&M Was this intentional by the developers? If so was it a way to balance the fact that 1 player had to have frame advantage? Or is glitch cancel just an unintended effect of the other player having frame advantage and it was randomized as they noticed it in development?
@GoldScale57
@GoldScale57 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing until I looked up some stuff while making this comment. Frame Advantage made sense to me because of how games generally work. Its very similar to port priority in Smash Bros. (and some other games). Glitch Canceling seemed really odd at first until I looked up some other things about port priority in Smash and found that it has a similar thing in the early games. Then it clicked. Its all still a bit strange. Especially the player who gets frame advantage being random but its explainable. I doubt frame advantage and glitch canceling are intended but I feel like the random factor of it could go either way. But if it were an oversight then I think its more likely Player 1 would always have Frame Advantage (making it Port Priority as usual). I'll say P1 has Frame Advantage in this example The short version for frame advantage is that nothing in games happens "at the same time". Everything happens in some order. Basically the player with frame advantage is going through their "hitbox detection" step first. When the hitbox detects P2's hurtbox then P2 is IMMEDIATLEY (kinda important) sent into their "hurt state" also getting rid of whatever hitboxes P2 had beforehand. After taking that punch and P2 has their hitstun set to some number or it just sets their animation. Whatever the case they go into the first frame of their hurt state before they've had their turn to run their code. So when its their turn the game doesn't realize it should wait a moment so it immediately goes to frame 2 before the players would be able to see frame 1. Why glitch canceling also reduces recovery on P2's attacks is still strange to me but it basically boils down to how they order everything and what happens in a frame. I can't really grasp what order they might have everything happening in. And not everything has to happen in the same frame. Its probably random between rounds because who runs their code first is based on which fighter was spawned first for the round. Which could be determined by something like having P1's code run on odd frames and P2's code runs on even frames. There even could be some sort of "half-frame" setup "under the hood" for all I know. But either way, as a total guess, if the round starts on an odd game frame then P1 goes first on way or another. Hope that makes sense and I hope its at least 80% true.
@enderhx
@enderhx 3 жыл бұрын
Great content! Learned something new :)
@TRIIGGAVELLI
@TRIIGGAVELLI 3 жыл бұрын
The real ones remember watching ded_ in awe back in the day.
@MrCliffda3rd
@MrCliffda3rd 3 жыл бұрын
Realizing Lui Kang's the only playable character in it's Trilogy entirely. But as umk3 is what mk3 should be, add Scorpion.
@RanOutOfSpac
@RanOutOfSpac 3 жыл бұрын
It still boggles my mind how something like player 1 advantage got through testing, and was never addressed in a patch no less. Seems so... obvious. (Referring to MK9 of course)
@RyomaHoshi22
@RyomaHoshi22 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who is still playing Mortal Kombat Armageddon
@hjalmarfreidenvall1655
@hjalmarfreidenvall1655 3 жыл бұрын
Neat
@drkmgic
@drkmgic 3 жыл бұрын
I did not know mk9 is a tag team mortal kombat.
@eniolotero8808
@eniolotero8808 Жыл бұрын
Does this apply to the Sega Genesis version of UMK3?
@cincodedosdamorte2976
@cincodedosdamorte2976 2 жыл бұрын
Isso é bem comum em jogos de luta.
@fabianxavier6332
@fabianxavier6332 Жыл бұрын
Hi there.. What version of UMK3 is that?
@Bae_Blizzard
@Bae_Blizzard Жыл бұрын
i dont understand kung lao spin ...how come opponents can sweep him while spinning?
@XAlucardmoonX
@XAlucardmoonX 3 жыл бұрын
Shawn attacks?
@Nbreeniverse
@Nbreeniverse 3 жыл бұрын
Fuckin' wild.
@sidviscus
@sidviscus 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, what game was used in this video??? Because they're MK Trilogy characters but in the arcade version, and MK Trilogy was a home console only game. So what game is this???
@justo316
@justo316 3 жыл бұрын
Haha playing this as a kid, I just thought it was poorly programmed cos something would feel "off" at times
@LtheOriginal
@LtheOriginal 3 жыл бұрын
Yo, Do I hear Toshinden 3 music in the background!?
@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
😎
@rdxgamer1772
@rdxgamer1772 3 жыл бұрын
15 second gang
@sigmatst
@sigmatst 3 жыл бұрын
That's how long I last🤣 😢😢😢😭😭😭
@unblockablz
@unblockablz 3 жыл бұрын
@@sigmatst bruhhhh
@sigmatst
@sigmatst 3 жыл бұрын
@@unblockablz What? You want proof or sum?
@unblockablz
@unblockablz 3 жыл бұрын
@@sigmatst lol
@youtubecommenter2527
@youtubecommenter2527 3 жыл бұрын
S E X T O R
@matbrun5663
@matbrun5663 Жыл бұрын
Why not just only use p1 hit advantage if the trade would otherwise happen would KO both fighters?
@thenerdyanarchist3492
@thenerdyanarchist3492 3 жыл бұрын
If you slow down the video, you can see the frame advantage
@whirl3690
@whirl3690 Жыл бұрын
Why would they call it "frame advantage" if that's already a fighting game term which means something completely different? The term doesn't even make sense when it refers to this.
@El_Febo_Abel
@El_Febo_Abel 3 жыл бұрын
¿Rain and Human Smoke are in UMK3 rom hack?.
@PNDKM
@PNDKM 3 жыл бұрын
Human smoke is a secret character you can play in UMK3 arcade anyway, Rain is added to the UMK3 Plus Romhack!
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