How did they lose lol

Ive heard this, but I've also heard there is some funny business with streaming rights, so if Nintendo want they can cut all streaming of any of there IPs

If you actually look at the graphics when he calls it a grey area (4:49), he says "they aren't" and cites the Connectix case

There's no legal grey area around roms, either. Downloading them is illegal, but there's an explicit exception to the dmca for dumping games from hardware considered obsolete, which the gamecube would obviously fall under.

@@cairnsaiden that's correct. Nintendo doesn't have muchh basis to prevent people from modding, emulating, or hosting melee/PM tournaments but they can just block all the streaming and video rights from any of their IPs. So even if a TO tries to run a P+ side event without streaming it, Nintendo has legal basis to cuck the entire event if they feel like it.

Splatoon comunnity based af

more maps than all two games together

As a frequent Splatoon 2 player, I don't think that any of us who actually care about the competitive scene wouldn't have done this. We got our tournament even if Nintendo tried to stop us from getting it, we supported a fellow competitive scene, and I myself would support a similar cause in an instant. We were getting special treatment from Nintendo, they were promoting Splatoon as their premiere competitive scene, and there was no reason the Smash scene shouldn't get similar treatment, so we used our spotlight to our advantage, and to some extent, I'd say it worked. Considering the Splatoon community as a whole, I think it's safe to say we'll be sticking with the Smash community for the long haul.

;) right back at you

TRUEEEEEEEEE

The GameCube… the best Nintendo console.

Like in SSB Brawl

Yeowch!

I stopped buying their shlock. They treat their fans like suckers. After learning how they tried to control retailers in the 1980s and through all their nonsense lately.. they have exhibited anti-consumer behavior at every opportunity. So many choices how to spend my entertainment budget.. vote for good companies with good products with your dollars.

It's somehow worse than EA. And remember, EA tried to bribe the mods of the star wars subreddit after the "pride and accomplishment" comment, aka the most disliked post/comment in reddit history.

Appreciate that. 👍

Big shoutouts. You're the candles in the dark that refused to go out. Mad respect

@@johncavalry4802 Why? Knuckles is fun.

Rollback for PM!

@@davidvkimball Huge shoutouts to David for keeping quality builds alive until after P+ released.

The sadder part is it isnt over

the saddest part is that they won't stop anytime soon

Cough cough pokemon uranium

Etika Joy-Cons

@@dannyboots Actually they were fine with those. They just wanted their name changed because they used “Joy-cons” in the name. Also there was some controversy behind the guy making them. I forgot exactly what happened but I think he took some of the money for himself.

I can't wait for the Steam Deck to curb stomp their face.

@@MumblyJumbles can’t wait for some way for Nintendo to sue steam deck for looking too similar to the switch lmao

@@da_nong8152 Well, Nintendo isn't known for wise decisions.

@@MumblyJumbles let's be honest that's not happening. It would be nice for them to have some competition but just one reason it won't is family's and kids. I imagine parents are far more likely to buy a switch something they know has family friendly games than a steam deck. Not to mention it's nintendos exclusives that really carry it and don't tell me about emulation since that's not perfect and there are many people like said family's wont try or won't bother to try to emulate games. I'm interested to see how the steam deck turns out but honestly even if it's a big success I don't think it would really effect the switch or it's sales all that much.

More like, "You're having fun that doesn't make us money."

Very true, this should NOT be forgotten. Everyone came together, even if it wasn´t for their own personal cause

Games basically killed there communities so melee would live

@@ASN_JAY They walked, so we could run.

Honestly I forgot about this until you mentioned it. Easy to see that Melee had the best chance of previous smash titles actually making it, but such a relief that gamers joined together for the recognition they all felt entitled to and managed to strong-arm Nintendo into submission.

Skullgirls: "I guess we will continue to be pretty obscure as a community"

Never forget the world you want. But never forget the world we have.

Well, that happens all the time. Legality is just an instrument for those who have the most bucks. It's an illusion; hence it's quite common for it to go against morality and legitimacy.

The most infuriating thing is that in a lot of these cases, they are NOT within their legal right to shut these things down, many of the cease and desists fall under clear Fair Use doctrine and given a good judge Nintendo would lose the lawsuit. But they're just a massive wealthy corporation that can afford to draw out lawsuits arbitrarily long and none of the fan communities have the resources to fight it.

People who set their morals over what is or is not legal are usually the most immoral and grossest people alive. (Example: 'well *technically* its not illegal to mess around with a 14 year old in some places so it's fine'. Well, Cuba has no law against animal abuse so it's fine) Like bro.. Lmao

@@Nukestarmaster They have more legal leverage than you have considered. Fair Use is generally interpreted very narrowly by the courts, and you should look at the actual wording. As for them shutting down tournaments, the reason they can do this is because these are broadcast events, and you don't actually have the rights to broadcast the gameplay of a game, regardless that you own and play it legally, though i expect this to either get challenged and change eventually, or become monetised at some sort of tenable fixed rate. Do they have to be such arseholes? Well SEGA, Valve and others demonstrate that they don't, there is no hard reason for them to. And indeed, these seem to benefit from fan creativity nicely. This is also quite unusual for a company coming from a country with a strong doujin-shi culture.

Worst part is that the dev replaced all the assets and level design just to get DMCA'd again. I'm not even sure that is even legal.

@@Eichro Probably not, but it is scarily easy for a megacorporation to legally attack a poor individual who they know can't possibly have the money to rightfully fight back

@@Eichro A DMCA is a legal notice, basically giving intent to sue if certain demands are not met. It's SUPPOSED TO only be used in situations where copyrights are being infringed, but there's literally nothing stopping a company from dumping a DMCA notice on anybody for any reason. There's also absolutely nothing stopping somebody from outright ignoring or refusing to comply with a DMCA notice, with the caveat that the failure to comply with the DMCA could be used in a legal case against the receiver of the DMCA as evidence that they had been warned about the infringement prior to being sued. DMCAs are blown way out of proportion by companies like Twitch or KZfaq that blindly comply with them 100% of the time. But there's nothing stopping a singular person from ignoring it and continuing to publish their work. The caveat is that Nintendo is insanely litigious and will drag people through the court system, regardless of how strong of a case they actually have, and try to bankrupt people to get their way. Incidentally, Nintendo also has a fairly shit track record of succeeding in court cases. If you can put up the capital to withstand Nintendo's legal barrage, there's a fairly strong chance that you can win the case. In short- Just use Sonic characters instead. SEGA doesn't give a shit and has made a firm stance that they, for the most part, have no intention of going after fans making fan-made works of their IPs.

@@darkfoxfurre Hmm, check with recent news, SEGA has come after some of the Sonic creators recently with DMCAs, specifically in the music scene. They might be having a change of tone on the horizon. Hopefully not, it's really the only thing Sonic has going for it since they can't seem to put out an unbroken game.

@@RWAsur If I remember correctly, it was a different team that did that and not SEGA itself.

@@_matz *theyer

Nintendo is weird. They want fans, but once those fans love their games too much, they try and ruin it for them.

Nintendo won't change because they are rewarded for their efforts. People can say all the things they want, but it doesn't matter if we keep buying it anyway. The absolute truth is that the only way to hurt a company is through their revenue. Revenue is a reason why F-Zero is a dead franchise, only barely living on through Mario Kart. Revenue is a reason why there were four "New" Super Mario games. Revenue is the reason why Pokemon never seems to take a break and has to keep the Pokegears churning. Revenue is a reason why Zelda "went back to its roots" with Breath of the Wild. Revenue is the reason why Fire Emblem is alive again when it was near its death with Awakening. It's not enough for you to stop rewarding them when they do things that displease the fans. You have to convince a whole lotta people to do the same too, which is really hard because people just wanna consume.

Capitalism bad :(

@@RhizometricReality BETTER THAN RACIST SJW LGBT COMMUNISM! ID RATHER DIE TO A CORPORATE AGENT THAN LET ANOTHER COMMIE IN THIS COUNTRY!

Greedy bastards.

That's generally just how IP laws work in Japan. It's annoying AF but if you think it's fair they have to follow our laws, it's only right we follow theirs. The youtube partner program was absolute BS though. I don't see how they should be able to control the content made with their game.

And before that "deal", they will strike all of your nintendo-related content. No exceptions.

yes we are

Companies wants profit

@@yarc9 if they wanted profit, they would actually support their community, what they want is to control their fans.

@@yarc9 how can they make profit from a game that they no longer sell/distribute/etc lol. i could be wrong, but if they wanted to profit off of all of this im pretty sure they could support the tournaments and make a deal with the TOs where they get a cut of the money that was made. unfortunately, all nintendo cares about is censorship via threatening legal action and abusing copyright laws. a shame nintendo doesnt care about its fans.

@@sydandpie146 their a business and they want to make money even sega cares about making cash over anything else sega does what nintendont is stupid

@@JonSmith-hk1bq wanting a billion dollar company to stop abusing unethical copyright laws to strong-arm community driven movements is not “toxic” get your head out of reggie’s ass.

@@JonSmith-hk1bq you seem not to realize the smash community has given up on wanting support from nintendo, they just want to be left alone.

@@JonSmith-hk1bq Susan, remove the like button

John Smith is gone, but his shitty legacy still remains

splatoon is mad cringe but i love them for what they did

Didn't they change their minds back when the retro engine port of sonic CD came out Tho it still sucks that the remake got DMCAd

tbf, their business practices could have changed when they saw how everyone hated nintendo for being so controlling

@@T.T_CenrryTH I couldn't find any info on SEGA officially changing their mind about it, although while the game was in development the fans did contact SEGA and it seemed fine at the time. They obviously then spent years making it, only to be sent a cease and desist after they released it, which must have been crushing for them. Very poorly handled overall by SEGA, and very similar to how Nintendo are known to handle things.

I don't think SEGA has a consistent policy, rather a number of different forces within the company pulling it into different directions. But when they don't go against fan projects, that's a demonstration that things CAN be handled differently, that there is no hard reason for a company to do that.

Let us also remember that time they copyright striked and even shut down a bunch of YT channels in 2012 that had even just a smidge of Shining Force related content, just so they could boost search results for their new Shinin Ark game.

Iirc wasn't the deal that Nintendo will help/allow Twitch/Red Bull/Dr Pepper to make Smash 4/Melee circuits if PM was basically killed? And that's why VGBC got rid of their PM VODs?

@@nazukah2861 And then... _surprise!_ They _DIDN'T!!!_

Ah yes, that classic archetype of uncle everybody has, very relatable.

That is TERRIFYINGLY accurate.

wtf??

@@comoestanquepaso123 An uncle who works at Nintendo one might say.

It is really sad how insane that rant was

All of the old men in their board rooms need to die off in order for change to be made. That's always been the problem, old men that fear change.

Screw changing their minds, fight them in court

Yeah it what we like to refer to them as the "dinosaurs" that are still in the company.

They won't change their minds. Support indie and indie exclusively, eat the rich. We die like warriors or we live like cowards.

@@maverickREAL and if I don't like what the indie scene is offering?

Just emulate Switch

@@ThirdXavier How does emulating the switch solve the problem presented in the original comment?

One year into the future and you're still spitting

That's why I love PM its truly a game for everyone. It's got all the casual stuff from brawl but all the good stuff from previous games. It's like a perfect storm of accessibility and skill. It's ceiling isn't as high as melee but it's not low but it's skill floor is fair amount lower

Username checks out the status of this community.

I'm really glad too because Kycse and Fiipp are both incredible players that have had a huge impact on PM's history.

Being a part of the birth of the CT PM community is still one of the best things I've ever done. I really love everyone in this community. You're all amazing people. -Giga K

@@illford6921 Also, it doesn't punish you hard as melee, like airdodging off stage into death, and broken jank from both melee and brawl are gone, so every character is unironically good. I won't ever play project plus since it requires a fuck ton of things but it really was the perfect mix, the precursor to smash ultimate

I wonder what people here think the actual risk of dying from COVID is for people who make up the melee community. You're orders of magnitude more likely to die while driving to the event.

I never heard about that before. What happened?

What Happened?

@@isrlydonut8686 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9BmrLeD3eCRpXk.html Here's a summary video by hbox

@@isrlydonut8686 it was in the documentary 8 years ago. Melee was set to make a comeback at evo 2013 after 7 years and Nintendo tried to stop evo from streaming melee. The developers of melee hated what the community made the game. They wanted a “party game for fun” and it turned into a bunch of broken mechanics being abused that they never intended to be in the game. At that point brawl had been out for 5 years and Nintendo was tired of melee and wanted it dead for good. I guess I can see where they are coming from because developing games with competition and events in mind becomes a lot trickier than just making a fun game for kids (which is what melee was meant to be) you can get away with op characters or moves because it’s just non competitive fun anyway, but now they have to make sure everything is balanced as good as they can everything becomes more difficult knowing gfuel sniffing tryhards will disect the game to the bone. I don’t think Nintendo likes competition at all. Makes sense cause if it weren’t for Mario that company would of been murdered by Xbox and PlayStation long ago.

Its possible to be strict and good, it just depends on how you do it...you don't wanna be too loose either for obvious reasons...

Can confirm. Am a sneaky resentful child.

I recall SEGA took down a fan game before

@@fixedfunshow they've never took down a fan game ever, in fact the fan game developers end up working for sega in the case of sonic mania

I heard that is because Sega basically has to since their franchises are more popular in the West VS in Japan, so they have to act more like a Western company or risk pissing off the region of most of their fans.

@@g1___ Ðis just in: Streets of Rage Remake was never taken down according to a random KZfaq commenter named kris.

This is why I'm rooting for Team Sega! Also, I just like their games better. Virtua Fighter, Daytona USA, such classics!

Hard agree. I love playing these games, and I might not ever get to be a pro player or a commentator or a known figure in their communities, but god damn it I'm in love of our history and our perceverance.

They’ve always been selfish and irrational since the NES era, they didn’t “become” that.

good luck on your exam homie

I did the same for the original smash doc. Good luck!

Bro I’m doing that rn got a big exam tmw lol

it was a B Law exam copyrights law was on it kicked it’s ass

@@nutmegthedog6907 I kicked my exam's ass too, clearly the alike factor was the doc and that's why we did it

What I really want to see if a legal battle won by the common user wherein the company consistently failing to present an alternative play method, such as an official emulator, qualified as IP or copyright abandonment for the contested material. Because that's really what it is. They keep saying that they own the copyright and that its their IP, but then they consistently fail to make it available through official channels. If they made an official BIOS and ROM available for purchase, then they could easily make the argument that nobody should be allowed to distribute their ripped BIOS or ROMs, as an official channel exists for procurement of such. But they don't. It's ridiculous.

I mean ,they didn't upgrade their online since 2006 .

I was gonna say this same thing, I love the video style!

Large Jon Bois energy

Like Jon Bois mixed with Summoning Salt

videogames are a luxury, not a necessity, as such, it will not really gonna get a reaction from the masses unless its from a defective product (like the joycon) or false advertising, (which surprisingly they have yet to be guilty of it, the new NSO expansion pack could have been controversial, but was very straightforward about the pricing, its up to the consumer to decide if they upgrade or not).

The only way to make the change is to fight the cease and desist legally. Melee community doesn't want to fight that fight because they will lose

@@YightLagami Sadly, Nintendo themselves were the underdog once before trying to compete against a company by all accounts should've lost. Back before they were a small company and when they made the Donkey Kong Arcade games, Universal Studios, the same creators and the ones who owned King Kong, sent a lawsuit to Nintendo for infringing on "King Kong" since that belonged to their character and Donkey Kong, was a trademark infringement. Nintendo countered that it was public domain and as such, won the lawsuit.

Don't forget that the FiM devs went on to reskin and further polish the game into the legally distinct "Them's Fightin' Herds," which eventually made it to EVO online.

Couldn't agree more, love Jon

Not everyone is an apologist but some people are tired of people making baseless comments

That’s why M2K used the Nova tag for as long as he did. M2K had mentioned it long enough ago that I had forgotten about it but wow $20k is insane and it made the difference.

Chart Party is goated.

happy birthday man!!

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a good one :) #FREEMELEE

#FREEMELEE

ratio + ur white

thanks for taking time out on your birthday to watch and comment, moky!

I haven't wanted to give them money in years. And look at how they let gamefreak release garbage for pokemon too

Whoa you mean you "risk dying" every single day, and you aren't dead? Wow you must be some kinda super human. Or maybe COVID isn't as deadly as the TV is telling you.

@@snex000 this.

Nintendo died with Iwata.