What is sad to me is that the original GW promise was "We built this cool thing; come and play in it and play friendly games with your friends." There are 1000 space marine chapters because that was an invitation to create your own. The Ultramarines, Blood Angels, etc were just meant as examples "here's what we made, now make your own." Want a tank? Here's a deoderant bottle with a spoon and a dowel glued to it - you can do that, too! It was all an invitation to be creatve and have fun with your mates (as the Brits would say).

I've socks older than some of the models being discontinued

As someone still in school with a very fixed income, anything resembling a 'cycling out' of models/warbands would immediately make the hobby unaffordable for me. This release cycle of bloat->cut bloat->bloat etc. is unsustainable, and it seems like GW is trying to burn people out of the hobby since they make more profit short term, but this kills the community in the long-term.

Ah man, that was such a Canadian suorry for Beastman players.

As somebody who played a good sized Rogue Trader era Squat army, I can say the promise has been broken almost as far back as the game has existed. I also saw major changes in my other armies, Imperial Guard and Bretonnians.

For me, the problem of the Primaris models was that they were NOT replacing the old one, people like me wanted true scale tactical marine, true scale terminators, devastator, etc. And we got a new army, with different rules in the same codex, with badly written lore to explain it, and i knew that they would send the old stuff to the bin. What i wanted was a way to update my army little by little, retiring my old whirlwind, old tactical, etc.

8 years invested. If GW were my romantic partner, at this point, I would have to break up with them and I have. I would describe the relationship as somewhat abusive and manipulative. The major factor would be poor communication. Repeatedly not getting out of them what they appear to be offering. Over investing, and non-reciprocal returns. Either I would say that they need to grow up or I would simply try and accept that they just aren't right for me. They're the hottest guy/girl in the room maybe, but it comes at too steep a cost. I have never gotten out what I have put in.

I’ve recently started regularly playing, and immensely enjoying, 2nd Ed 40k. One of the advantages of that is my game is frozen in time. It will never be retconned, retired, have meta swings, etc. I play new games too, but I love that I can play 40k without the constant churn to keep up on the meta.

Playing GW games is like being in an abusive relationship. You invest time, money, effort and love. They ignore you and violate your trust until it breaks.

I like your articulation of GW promise, especially since I see it’s echo in Wizards of the Coast and MtG’s continued role in the market.

"The first was canceling Warhammer Fantasy..." New here, eh? First time something was squatted? Squatted... what an odd word that's been bandied about over the past twenty-some years...

I am so glad to see a youtuber talk about this. I played from 2nd ed 40k in the mid 90s and for years I always said 'yeah the minis are expensive but GW have comitted to let you use them forever'. Then AoS hit and I was like 'ok... fine I guess, fantasy was never a huge seller and this is their BS IP strategy. Fine... Then when Primaris came the writing was on the wall for me. Also the change of the basing rules which for years was 'if the mini shipped with base X you could keep using base X' which is now 'must be on Base Y'. I don't 'hate' GW, frankly by now I just don't care. They are a publicly traded company doing what publicly traded companies do.

Double Hello!!

Whats stunning is that this issue isn't drawing nearly as much ire as the Femstodes thing. Its bonkers that people aren't flipping out about this more.

First break of the promise, would probably be either the squats, or end of epic. And how they spent the next 20 years, taunting the people who wanted the squats back.

The only games workshop promise you can trust is “Shut up and give us your money, we’re doing whatever we want and you’ll eat it off the plate” as proven by... the last 30 years of games workshop?

It would be nice if the Legends rules were more supported and you could have a "Legends" format similar to commander. But magic doesnt revamp its rules entirely every 3 years and all a cards mechanics are printed on the card. A generator like OPR might be the option. Something entrenched GW players can immediately reach for rather than trying to convince everyone at a store to jump in OPR

Why isn’t the solution miniature-agnostic rules? That way I never lose any minis ever.

I thoroughly enjoyed spending £400 on my stormcast army and painting them for 100 hours and then it getting binned.

As someone that has StormCast GW is removing 65% of my entire army from play

I have a bunch of the Stormcast models that got squatted, some still on sprues, and I'm still more upset for the Beastmen players. I've played against them with one of the guys at my FLGS and I think they are a cool army. I really hate the GW policy of only allowing armies to be played in one game.

One big advantage of Blood Bowl is that it has greater immunity to model discontinuation and unnecessary revision than other properties.

I was an old school WHFB player, still playing 8th ed when it got cancelled. While that pissed me off some, what was worse was AOS 1st ed. It's not like they replaced the game with something playable or usable similar to what they had built up previously. That was the part that made me angrier. We did eventually give AOS a chance when 2nd ed came out, and now we enjoy playing it, but all that craziness led us to start playing Infinity, which we still play now too.

The reason they cannot give a reason is because it's purely business reasons and will not translate well if they tried to explain it.

As someone with some old Squats and Space Dwarfs, I have some thoughts on the first time the promise was broken…

3:33 lol are those the boyz that are currently sitting on my work bench great video i love when you do miniature culture video essays, just rewatched your third edition box review too

A while back I picked up a ton of metal Harlequins from rogue trader for an absolute steal from a garage sale. Many were broken - intentionally. Arms had been clippered off, and plasticard wrist-blades had been glued on. Several were chopped at the waist. As I slowly worked my way through painstakingly restoring what i could, converting what I was missing with bits from my collection, I was reminded of Roman statues. Those marble statues are what we think of when we think "permanence". But, did you know, many of the statues with holes, broken noses, broken off Limbs were not likely just broken by the vagaries of time, but intentionally broken by Romans. It was popular to update the statuary of your ancestors to give them facial features that resemble the current ceasar or prominent noble families, usually with cheaper materials. Regardless, the point here is: this is a cycle as old as GW itself. The act of CHOOSING NOT TO CARE, choosing not to modify, choosing to proxy whatever as whatever and simply enjoy whatever you want to enjoy, buy whatever you want to buy and don't replace whatever you don't want to replace.

This is the point I'm so glad I left GW behind. What is sad many people get angy when they do things like this, and with reason, but then they still keep buying exclusively their products. If you are fed up with GW, start looking for alternative games like one page rules, which is a miniture agnostic game, so you can use models you already have. Also supporting some smaller companies I think it would do good for the wargaming landscape, because in the long run GW might have a competitior to deal with and it's monopol state would break. I was suprised when I bought the BattleTech starter box. It had two vouchers which I could use in their webshop, also had 8 mechs and 9 paper cutout mechs, and all the rules and a couple of scenarios. It wasa very different experience from GW.

Every time they remove a faction they also remove players who won't come back for fear of being burned again

TIL about the Age of signmar retirement. and wow. they are retiring my entire army ( stormcast ) . i just bought those like 4 years ago.

I already miss all the Chaos warbands. I always loved their pulpy Conan vibe, and none of the more recent warbands have quite matched them since :(

Retiring ancient models for ones sculpted this century is understandable. Retiring models not even old enough to attend Kindergarten without any replacements for them? That's a bridge too far.

Pour one out for the half painted Skaven arch warlock that's been sitting on my desk for 2 years

The day I bought into warhammer, the *sole* reason I bought into warhammer: long story short, I was already looking to get back into model cars and airplanes whenever I had accidentally wandered into a warhammer store. Very charismatic store manager got me into a conversation. I mentioned I used to do models and wanted to get back into it. "Try warhammer models instead. You get all the same fun as cars and airplanes except you can use them for games afterwards. And unlike MtG with its constantly rotating bans, nothing ever fully expires out warhammer. There's rule changes, yes, but I've been playing with models from the early 90s as close as last week" This was only six years ago

An old mold of a model isn't a proxy... It's just the model. A proxy is putting down a Rhino and calling it a Predator

When I got into the hobby in 2011 the staff at the GW store told me to pick Space Marines because they were a good investment because "they are always going to be around and supported" Around 5 years later Primaris were announced. :) GW has their poster boys for each game, but they dont stay the same for long.

I think you are spot on about the Games Workshop promise. It's just weird that this is not the first time they've broken it. They break it so often it's mind boggling to think people still believe it, but they clearly do.

It's weird that discontinuing a model kills the model in people's minds. So many collectors basically never play... But for some reason it's important to know your army is game-legal in the current edition. Like. If you have a copy of whatever edition that model was legal in then discontinuing it doesn't destroy your copy of the old edition. You can still invite a friend over and play with whatever edition your want. You can also just house-rule or proxy your minis into the current edition, assuming your friends agree. But. Somehow the fun of theorycrafting an army only works for the current miniatures and rules. The make believe and the narratives we spin for ourselves dries up.

my pet theory: They have been using aluminium tooling instead of steel, with a much shorter lifespan, but much cheaper to produce. So they can pump out new designs cheaply but only getting 5-10 years life from it. Basing this off a lot of previous industry comments but no evidence. So they can have loads of new models for cheaper but have to retire them sooner than even some of the much older miniatures.

I always though Games Workshops promise is "We will do absolutely anything for money."

personally i think people are too caught up with the idea of gw retiring or creating new minis, those miniatures will be usable no matter when, even when they are retired, even old 2nd edition or 3rd edition rules can still be used if people are willing, we can build primaris squad like good old tactical squad when eventually we have all the heavy or special weapons. nothing can stop gw from us doing what we want with our purchased minis, make a competition using old rules etc, create your own homebrew rules etc, which i think is the best thing about miniature gaming in general

I've only been peripherally interested in Age of Sigmar and the Beasts of Chaos thing STILL makes me furious for the players affected and leaves a bad taste in my mouth for ever trying to buy into the setting. I've eyeballed a Seraphon starter kit many times, but now every time there's a voice in the back of my head going "What if they axe the entire line to repurpose the models for Lizardmen in The Old World?" Might be too far into tin foil hat territory given the faction differences, but that's the thing: the lack of clarity and explanation means all anyone can do is speculate.

This is the sort of thing that drove me back/further into Battletech. I can get similar gameplay with their Alpha Strike rules and they have never eradicated whole armies with a book, they just move the timeline. You can still play the same game with the oldest minis as the newest ones and now that there is a version similar to 40k it got a lot better. I got tired of keeping up with the rules changes with 40k.

While there is a certain amount of justifiable annoyance with these events (particularly the wholesale murder of Fantasy), I will also say that there's a certain degree of disingenuous fandom that bubbles up. Beastmen were an army that almost no one cared about two months ago...I'm sure there are people for whom it's their favorite, and I feel bad on their behalf (heck, I feel bad for how GW was treating their army BEFORE it got canned!), but most of the rage over Beastmen was about the general principle...it wasn't about saving a beloved army that they themselves collected. Similarly, everyone has decided that the Sisters of Silence are their absolute favorite Warhammer subfaction. They LOVE SoS, they have 600 SoS models, they want books about them, they want posters of them, they need the world to know how near and dear to them Sisters of Silence are. But two weeks ago, SoS were a niche thing that almost no one played. Some lists took them for mechanical reasons, but lore channels didn't feature them, and no one held them up as some perfect beacon of female representation in Warhammer. But then GW opened the door to female Custodians...... Votann is another good example: Everyone wanted Squats, we'd kill for Squats, add Squats GW, add them!! Now they're here, and almost no one plays them. You can say it's because the range is small and not great in game right now, but I think the real reason is that people love bandwagoning, but they don't really love the thing they're bandwagoning about.

"12 different types of infantry" sounds like current Space Marines 😅

My 2 cents: I'm new to Warcry (and GW as a whole) last year, and bought Heart of Ghur and scales for terrain. I bought a bunch of the warbands released last year and this year (about 8). I also bought a couple from V1 (4 total). I had no idea this is standard plans for GW and I feel like I just wasted my money on a very fun game that will only be "current" for 1 more year. If I had known any of this information I would have bought more selectively or not at all. You are right, with a little communication, most of these issues would be avoided for the customer. I now realize that GW relies on their lack of communication so they can sell more, manipulation is key for making them money right now. I unfortunately do not and will not buy any more GW products as I feel betrayed and do not believe the company will change for the better anytime soon. There are soooo many other good systems out there, and I have already moved on regrettably (loved Warcy 2, was my favorite skirmish system). I have no idea what Mordheim is and I don't really care, to me they might change the simplistic Warcry system I loved and adored into something that is more similar to how this Mordheim played out in the past and that was not the system I bought into. Warcy is the easiest GW system to get non-GW friends into, and once they learn it most of them would buy into Kill Team too. What GW should do is address and fix the issues with Warcy and it would become even more fun, which should in turn attract more people to the system. Like making reactions more interesting and fun (I thought they were going that direction given Pyregheists), but now I think their attitude is, "We can go out with a bang, so who cares what we do, "let them eat cake" is all I hear now. Sigh....

warcry and underworlds not selling well just feels so unlikely to me to be true, cos as with most releases these days it all sells out super fast and is barely available. so the only way those games arent making money is if gw are actively not printing enough kits to make their money back.

You all can still play the older edition of Age of Sigmar, the same way some of us still play Warhammer Fantasy. It's a matter of the community taking control, even though GW constantly goes against the community.

The biggest dickmove would be if they launched Beastmen for the Old World with the exact same models on square bases

As you mention often GW figures are an "investment". They are actually referred to in many groups as collector's items. That said your investment will gain more value the older they are and the scarcer (is that a word?) they become. Just because GW retires the armies, doesn't mean they will no longer be played, only that your armies become more valuable to the player base.

The current day GW is not all bad but it is important to remember that it is now more akin to another person wearing a dear friends skin. Stuff that may once take a decade or more to be retired could be gone in as little as three because they are a large business that has major financial sector investors now.

I think when I got Advanced Heroquest as a kid in the 90s and realised the big monsters where just these flat cards that you put in bases I realised GW was like this, never gave them any money again after that. F them. I want to see someone 3D print all the models and go and play with them in a GW shop.

I don’t think we can say GW ever made this promise or, if they did, they’ve been breaking it for 40-odd years. From entire armies being squatted (Squats, Chaos Dwarves) to single units disappearing (Space Marine Jetbikes, Doomrider), to whole games being discontinued (Gorkamorka, Dread Fleet, etc.) ranges have changed massively and without warning. You just get used to it. Maybe you proxy. Maybe you keep playing an old version. Maybe you make custom rules. Some people leave the hobby. But GW have never promised to maintain the range as it is, nor support every model and game its ever made. That said, GW is getting BETTER at this because they keep offering legends rules for using discontinued figures and ranges. Which is much more than they used to do.

Anything to drive up prices on Ebay

the reason I was happy to see the classic Warhammer rule book come out shows that you can go back to old models and improvise where needed to use them. I get if they are no longer producing or produce on demand makes sense but if you worry that you buy something no longer useable then GW will see a massive loss in confidence in off brand purchases people make

To be fair, I don't think people are mad about AoS existing as much as being upset Fantasy was removed. If they had Old World in place after the End Times, I don't think there would have been as much of a backlash.

Is the state of the hobby at a point where an old model representing the same troop type or character as a more model model is considered a "proxy"?

Ok far from the point but that jazz cup folding table in the back is rad, did you make that or can I buy it somewhere? 2:04

I stopped getting mad at GW years ago for scummy business practices and started printing my models and finding all the books online. Much less stressful and quite a bit cheaper too.

I am a Bonesplitterz player. We do exist, lol. We just know better than to try and play them competitively. I am sure that it was a sales issue. They haven't released new models for them since 2011 and 8th edition fantasy. Then they hide us in the Ironjawz book. Then in 3rd edition they gave us a God awful update. Despite all of this, we managed to start a tournament winning streak for a little bit, until GW jacked up the points on nearly every one of our units. After that we never recovered and most players took the hint and transitioned into Big Waaagh. So basically they did nothing to promote them since their 1st edition book, so there was nothing to bring in new players. Existing players have had 13 years to complete their collections. They gave us a crap battletome and nerfed us hard when we dared to start having a winning percentage despite all this. This killed us competitively, so we didn't have a tournament presence. Once all that was accomplished they pretended that we didn’t exist for the rest of the edition. So I am pretty sure they weren't selling well. Go figure. Ironically, I play 4 armies. Of the 4, 3 are being directly impacted by the model purge. The 4th might be if they retire more warcry bands.

The first breaking of the promise for me was the closure Specialist Games which saw what many see as the best GW games like Mordheim, Blood Bowl, Necromunda and others all lose their support. It really felt like GW went into a dark age after that as they pulled back from social media and started to feel more like a corporate entity rather than a collection of nerdy dudes making cool games.

Very glad I got off the GW treadmill in 2018. Mind you, it was because 40k was getting boring to play (Knights are boring) but I'm glad I stopped buying stuff now.

I'm one of those guys sore about age of sigmar. GW hadn't exactly been a likeable company for years, but I build up my greenskin horde over a long time. Really, Sigmar broke a bad habit, so I should be thankful. I haven't spent a dime on GW since.

Watching this as I'm painting a 3D printed Reikland Mordheim Warband... 3rd party minis for a game kept alive by the community. I don't think those will retire any time soon.

4:00 - promises were broken years before this, see Squats and Chaos Dwarves in the 90s

Disappointed sums it up for me too. I felt it and didn't lose much of anything at all from my armies.

I mean GW's only real promise is their corporate mission statement. And what it tells shareholders is that they are a miniatures company that makes rule-sets to support those sales. They have like a dozen machines to make every GW model each year. Every model is being discontinued for the same reason: They don't sell well enough. Plus discontinuing models doesn't mean not being able to use the ones you already have. Every codex has stats for models that are either no longer made or were never made. [Edit: The Thunderhawk hasn't been in production this century and it still gets a stat-block every edition of 40K] Sidenote: Warhammer Fantasy was not the first game they discontinued. And there's nothing in the rules (including the rules for official tournaments) that prevents using old space marines as primaris. Hell go find an old Abaddon, it's half the size of the modern model and has the same stats.

Dana hit the nail on the head. A lot of people sink ALL of their free money into these models as their only hobby. Many players see it as an investment as well as a hobby, often with the belief they can choose to sell the models online for as much, if not much more than they bought it. Suddenly, their models and hard work are deemed worthless by GW. I don't play these games, but it must really suck for those players.

"invest in us and your hobby will live forever" hold on do people actually believe that? like, GW is a company, that has an earnings report, that makes an entertainment product for consumption, like... really? that's so... I mean it would be cruel to say naive, but like, hopeful? Believing that some monolithic enterprise that doesn't even know your name cares that your money is well spent, and not just spent? Gamers are quite the conundrum.

If the cycling of models is a problem let me introduce the Battletech universe. Every model ever produced (and it's older than 40k) is still usable. And outside of offical events the player base has a "if we can tell what it is and which way it's facing...." I have seen bases with the mech code written on, pennies, and cardboard standees. Oh and bar a couple of minor tweeks the rulebook from back then is also still perfectly usable.

I agree mostly, however I would point out your first example of the promise break, whfb being removed, was because people stopped investing in it ie it was filled with people who refused to buy new models and only bought the books to play up to date rules but refused to get anything else, which caused it to stop being cost effective for GW to support. On those grounds I’d say they didn’t break the promise as their promise to keep it going if invested in ceased to apply.

I think something you didn't touch on, but sort of played in to your end thoughts, was that warbands don't expand. The stuff that came out 6 years ago, hasn't changed since then. A whole army has a lot more of the "games workshop promise", were you expect it to evolve and persist. Over in Bloodbowl, we're pretty used to using counts-as minis, and teams don't really change once they're officially put to paper. If GW decided to axe a whole team, there would be a lot more complaints about it from a rules/tournament side than it would be about the minis.

Everything GW's done over the past couple of years has really turned me off. I used to look forward to new models and books and I'd almost always have something on my desk to work on. The first thing that really ruined my weekly news updates was the atrocious web redesign. It's too difficult to easily look through specific factions and see what's new that I totally just stopped checking in. That wrecked any desire to buy new models, so I stopped my usual shopping for models, and let me say, I bought a lot of models. I'd typically spend at least $200 monthly on the hobby and significantly more when new boxes came out. It's now too difficult to keep up with the changes to models and rules, and with a very poorly designed web site, I've basically dropped the hobby down to 1-2 models per year. I got a cool Ork model gifted to me for Christmas, and I enjoyed building and painting that. But that's the only thing I've done this year. I feel like GW has gone the way of Magic the Gathering. I dipped into that game for 5 minutes once I realized how often decks changed. I like to build and paint. I'm not going to do that if my efforts are worthless. If it takes me 2 years to fully finish a 2k point army, but some models aren't usable by the time everything's finished, then I'm just not going to continue wasting my time. It already happened with my Death AoS army, but I repurposed the models as Halloween decorations and made a cool diorama with them. My Stormcasts and maybe some of my Warcry bands will get repurposed for D&D, but I'm not sure what will become of my Skaven and Beastmen armies. Orks will always be fine with me. I can use them for D&D or just as decorations in my office since I just like Orks. But I'm very sad that a hobby I really enjoyed has been tainted by what I see as very poor decisions by GW.

12:52 The number of units aren’t being pruned. They explicitly state that they’re making room for new ones. They have learned zero lessons from previous bad behavior. And all of sacrosanct has, as stated in the article, gone back to their home planet and won’t just get updated sculpts. The first edition stuff in the list will probably all or mostly get updates though. Still. Every Stormcast unit in every starter set three years ago are gone. To make room for new unique units. That will be pruned six years from now I guess.

As an Old World player, considering how willing GW is to killing entire ranges, it makes me glad OW is a system they are barely touching. I feel bad for my firstborn Crimson fists as they’ve been made worse and worse as time goes on to try and force me to rebuy space marines. GW more and more, not just with lore, but also with price hiking and replacement of models, has been pissing in Warhammer fans mouths and saying it’s raining, and sadly it’s gonna take them a while to change from this behavior of treating their main consumer base like money pits instead of like fans of the settings they made

The glaring issue with GW is they are in a huge conflict of interests over their hobby monopoly. They are in the business of selling plastic, and creating value for their customers, the shareholders, not creating great games and supporting them. As long as they keep selling plastic at a huge markup and turn up profits for the investors, they will continue these anti-consumer practices and nothing will change.

Really want Mordheim even if its 2.0 tbh *edit* forgot - I don't remember if it was in that particular article but they were pretty open that the Skaven were getting a refresh, so they at least were not at all opaque as to why they were going away. I do think some of the others could have used more of a gentle explanation - they did at least give us a year or so of warning this time

I'm just not invested anymore. They broke the "Promise" to me years ago. Back when they retired a bunch of stuff from the Skaven line, the verminlord and the ratwheel, I got over it and then I started a high elves army and they retired the game entirely. Oh yeah, they also retired Cyborks and Cyboars. Now I'm only working with models I've owned since 5th; explore your piles of shame folks it really do be years of work. I'll switch to chaos before I play primaris. Everything can be chaos.

I left Games Workshop years and years ago just shortly after I bought my first Necron army. 1 month later they came out with a new book. Which completely changed the game. They even completely changed units from being one type to a completely different. For me, that was too much of my money thrown into the useless category. I'll never buy another game item from Games Workshop. They didn't pull items off the shelf before hand. They were happy to sell everything they were going to change with out warning. I'd rather buy a better game. Games Workshop does not care about their customers as long as they get their money.

Someone forgot that "squatting" has taken on a different meaning in the miniwargaming space.

So this is how I find out that half my pile of shame is now a pile of squats?

When they rescaled the HH mini marines, I took that as my opportunity to exit the GW bus. I thought I'd miss it more.

While yes, models, armies and even settings getting retired does anger the fanbase. I and 90% of the people I know are not some kind of "time investment" stock brokers. What truly angers people is the same thing that keeps them around. The lore and the 20 or 30 years of development and stories surrounding it. I had a medium to large Empire army when Fantasy got 86'd but it wasn't that which really hurt me, it was the world I had grown to love being erased.

When an where did GW ever promise that they would always keep all their models viable and in production? Besides, that would be a ridiculaous promise for any company that wants to make a long term profit. I've been in the hobby for 40+ years, running a flgs for more than 25 of those years (so I know what sells and what doesn't) and all miniature companies that have been around for any length of time have eventually discontinued old models and published new ones, changed their rule systems around, published new editions and new factions, scrapped older ones and so on. That is nothing that's explicit to GW. The only real difference I can see is that this time around GW made a big official announcement of it, instead of simply quietly removing those models from their webstore, as usually happened in the past.. It is a fact of life in the hobby, that new stuff (wether rules or miniatures) is what sells best. If a company wants to survive, they have to publish new stuff. And keeping all the old stuff in production and in stock is simply not economically viable. And I don't see much of a problem here. I have a big goblin army (called gloomspite gitz nowdays) that, for example, contains squig models from way back when squigs were first published for WHF, as well as all the varieties that were published in the meantime as well as alternative models from other publishers. I rebased the square-based WHF ones onto round bases when the switch to AOS came, but otherwise no one has ever complained about me using older versions of the squigs. As long as they are readily recognizable as squigs (which all of them are), everybody I have ever played with has been fine with it. I also have a big skaven army and I am very much looking forward to getting some new models for that range (and I certainly won't discard my older clanrats and other models which, btw, also contain very old models from way back. I'll just add new models to my army). As for discontinued troops? Well the skaven in one starter box contained a kind of poison gas ball thrower. There have been no rules for this model for quite some time now, and I have simply used the model as a flamethrower. No one ever complained. So all in all I do not understand the whole vitriol that has peen spewed over GW just because they discontinue a bunch of old models (many of which will just receive a new design). Especially since they did promise keeping the rules around for them for quite some time. Yes, tournament players will be affected. At least starting in mid-2025. But all the tournament players I know are constantly changing their whole army around anyways whenever there is a even a slight point upgrade or a new army book is published. So I doubt any of them would have stuck to the army they are currently taking to tournaments beyond 2025 anyways. All in all, I don't understand, why people are actually so upset about this whole matter. But I guess, people like to complain, especially about GW.

I'm absolutely convinced the beast snagga's in 40k were originally intended to be an expansion to the bone splittaz in AoS but that internal financial divide reared its ugly head and the decision was taken just to axe the subfaction

To me, it looks like Skaven and Beastmen are being "retired" so that they could be introduced to the Old World instead.

GW been looking at how popular trading card games have "Rotations" where you gotta buy a whole new "legal" deck to still play with your buddies 🙃

You put something into words, I've been struggling with. I didn't mind primaris space marines so much because the old ones were either direct proxies with primaris stuff or the kits were pushing 20+ years old. The stormcast stuff getting sacked from last edition was a low blow though. I lost all my momentum to do anything with SCE since then. I don't see myself playing anything that looks like it could get sacked in an edition or less.

In completely unrelated news, their CFO quit and sold all of her GW stock.

Honestly my main “promise” that I used to feel with GW is that they’re the largest company, therefore they could justify making the same model for decades (as they did with skaven, ogres, FEC, etc.) I’m mostly okay-ish with most stuff (BoC being the worst of the others, but I can play third edition for the rest of time), but the Warcry models are the biggest blow ever. Some of their best models, with tons of character, and you’re telling me a multi-million dollar company can’t keep producing a 2 sprue box?? Nick Eyre from Northstar has been producing the same kits the whole time he’s been in business and his operation is mostly ran by his wife and him. If I didn’t have so much grey plastic I’d try and get all the warbands from 1e, but honestly I’m not gonna get fucked by FOMO again and give my money to a company that clearly doesn’t want it.

Really interesting ! Always like your videos

I remember the first time The Promise was broken before my eyes, when Gorkamorka got shuttered in my baby era right after a year of wonderful games at my local GW store ;_;

They didn’t replace the entire Sacrosanct Chamber. BASICALLY 2nd STORMCAST got the big Axe. Only the competitive 1.0 models stayed and the staples upgraded. But if you play a SCE 2.0 army, congrats! You don’t.

You can use any warbands to play "A song of blades and heroes". You can use anything on that system.

just want to point out, Mistweaver Saih is not a resin model. it's plastic and initially came in the warhammer quest box. so it's relatively new.

I had made a small "fine shut up I'll try AoS" learning list. Now I don't have an AoS learning list because it was Bonesplittaz.

I honestly feel the anger would not be nearly as bad if GW where not so greedy with their pricing.

Every time something like this comes out about GW, it makes me just a little bit happier that I never got into their games. You all know they'll never stop. Right? Ya' gotta vote with your wallet. If you keep giving them money, they'll keep screwing you over.

As a store owner, the sub games do not do well at all. People really only buy them to add to their actual armies. I am not saying nobody buys them. Sure people do, but in super small numbers.

I thought the promise was: "Give us your money, and we will take it."...