Never really thought about that but it’s true, all of the enemies are different from one another and different enemies for each area. I do t think there are too many RPG’s/JRPGs that does this if any at all outside of Sea Of Stars

Ya the gamepass option makes me glad I reactivated sub for starfield perfect title to play between ac6 and sf

Super Mario RPG* did timed hits first

Just to repeat the previous comment: that's a super Mario rpg inspiration

I never played The Messenger, but word is, it was nice.

Thoughts after 8m ?

Its on gamepass if you have that, which is how I'm gonna play it (even if it does hurt to not be able to play it on my switch or steam deck 🥲) then pick up my physical copy later.

I had a backlog long before this year. lol

And the year is only 2/3 over. We still have the holiday months to look forward to.

It actually has more context. In the music box lore dumb... it states that there were three gods who power waned as the world became disconnected with the stars. Then the world flooded, humans made a kingdom on the last landmass. The messenger talked about 3 gods... this game is a story about their ascension.

You want Chained Echoes, not this

Chrono Cross is one of the best RPGs of all time. Did you just want a CT expansion pack?

​@bigduke5902 Don't take this the wrong way. But I'm not an fan of Cross. I tried to playthough the entire game. But after 10+ hrs, I've gotten so bored by it that I call it quits. It's not that the game is awful. Just wasn't doing anything for me and I got so bored by it.

​​@@cashnelson2306I completely forgot about that game. Is it as good as Trigger & Sea of Star? If so, I'll buy it.

Nah , you can’t have an incredible soundtrack and crap gameplay , sea of stars has it all. Unbelievable soundtrack, art, level design, atmosphere, story , combat

You'll feel right at home with battle system then! If you've got gamepass or playstation plus it's certainly worth trying out.

it is a retro style rpg which brings nostalgia but in no way is it as good as final fantasy 16

I think it's more nuanced than that. The SNES gave us FFIV, V, and VI, Dragon Quest V and VI, Chrono Trigger, Trials of Mana, Breath of Fire, Illusion of Gaia, and Super Mario RPG, some of the most beloved RPGs of all time. There were some stinkers and others that didn't hold up after some time, but it seemed like those were the exception. The PS1 definitely has MORE RPGs, but the quality is less consistent as a result. The PS1 experimented with a lot of different battle mechanics and story structures, and not all of it worked very well. Xenogears, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross, and Final Fantasy VIII all innovated the combat and/or stories in ways that turned off a lot of people despite their strengths. But the ones that did work are among the best RPGs of all time. Final Fantasy VII and XI, Wild Arms, Vagrant Story, Suikoden 1 and 2, Parasite Eve, Legend of Dragoon, and probably a dozen others I don't even know about.

Dandori issue

Both are really good, but don't have the same design philosophy. Chained Echoes focus more on an political story/lore/evil empire. Sea of Stars is more about the adventure/journey. In Sea of Stars there is a "main story", but each island have its own "story arc".

@@Terranigma23 Right, I feel you there. The execution of the narrative is a bit different for sure, with Echoes being definitely more mature. And even though Sea probably has slightly better pixel art, I still feel Echoes is the overall better game because of the unique battle system, specifically the overheat mechanic. It's totally unique to the genre and really clever. I just feel like Echoes is genuinely unique and ambitious, I mean it was made almost entirely by one guy, whereas Sea is extremely well executed, but nothing unique or new. It's basically just an amalgamation of every 16 bit rpg classic.

@@Terranigma23 another thing I can mention as most likely being objectively better in Echoes is the script. For being written by the same guy making the rest of the game on his own, he's a very very good writer. None of the sloppy execution that's in Sea. Echoes has genuinely good writing.

@@luminary6162 I mean, Chained Echoes took a LOT of ideas from other games. Mech battle are from Xenogears. The deal system, hunt system, and Ograne Grottos are basically from FFXII. The made your own guild and find new crew is from Skies of Arcadia. The overdrive system is clearly a hit or miss for some people. The game is well or less balanced (some boss fight are more easy than normal encounter). Chained Echoes is my favorite game of 2022, but so far I really dig the world of Sea of Stars, especially how well level design is made.

@@Terranigma23 That's the thing though. All the rpg comparisons you made are from other, more technologically advanced eras with more ambitious ideas and mechanics. Xenogears, FFXII and Skies are all games with ideas that have never been executed in an indie 16-bit one man rpg. But yet there they are, all wrapped up in a 16bit labor of love. That's my thing. I think Sea looks amazing, but it does things that we typically see in 16bit rpgs. That's not necessarily the case with Echoes, which is why I prefer it overall so far. It's just really ambitious and I can only imagine the stuff the creator will make next. Overall, I'm glad both games exist. They don't even need to be compared, even though it's inevitable that they will. And when that discussion is brought up, I'll probably always champion Echoes. But as I said, I love Sea as well and it's possible my opinion cam change when I actually get the game, though I doubt that will be the case. Gosh, the 50$ price is a little ridiculous. Echoes is cheaper too! Haha I know I sound a bit cynical, but I just really admire Echoes. And no one on this channel even paid it any mind. With Steve and Ash's supposed favorite games being Chrono Trigger, it's baffling to me that it was basically blatantly ignored by both dudes. Oh well.