The Golf Ball Paradox

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Steve Mould

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Sometimes a golf ball with pop back out of the hole. The physics behind it is quite surprising. Watch it happening in slow motion.
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@SteveMould
@SteveMould 8 ай бұрын
Here's a great initiative explanation from Daniel Walsh: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asuiZcWmrrSsdmQ.html The sponsor is Incogni: : the first 100 people to use code SCIENCE at the link below will get 60% off: incogni.com/science
@cryingwater
@cryingwater 8 ай бұрын
The golf ball's dimples caused this effect
@LtMooch
@LtMooch 8 ай бұрын
Could you not put a mirror at a 45° angle above the cylinder and pull the frame of the highspeed camera back to see both angles at the same time?
@rolfsteffens7802
@rolfsteffens7802 8 ай бұрын
Would an amplification video of a bridge with heavy traffic rolling over it or a skyscraper building swaying in the wind be of interest?
@Alecv628
@Alecv628 8 ай бұрын
Motion amplification under electron microscope. Could you see atoms vibrating?
@Spy653
@Spy653 8 ай бұрын
would be fun to see what tree's or buildings look like in different levels of wind?
@GeorgeJFW
@GeorgeJFW 8 ай бұрын
I have been conducting a version of this experiment for years, I can confirm that it’s impossible to get a golf ball to do anything you want it to do.
@aussiegolfer
@aussiegolfer 8 ай бұрын
Truth!
@qa1e2r4
@qa1e2r4 8 ай бұрын
Unless you are Tiger Woods? :D
@bogdy72000
@bogdy72000 8 ай бұрын
slap a mask and digital covid certificate on it and it will do everything you want it to :D
@Lessinath
@Lessinath 8 ай бұрын
Going for the high score instead of the low score, huh?
@airplanes_aren.t_real
@airplanes_aren.t_real 8 ай бұрын
​@@bogdy72000wtf?
@nonAehT
@nonAehT 8 ай бұрын
Motion amplification on Musical instruments might be very interesting, to see the resonacne of the notes in the body of the instrument. to see what parts of a violin, piano or guitar move, also maybe for a flute or xylophone or something like a trumpet..
@maxximumb
@maxximumb 8 ай бұрын
All parts of the instrument, not just the obvious parts. Maybe even the floor the piano sits on. Does a solid concrete floor change the sound a piano makes over a wooden floor?
@jcortese3300
@jcortese3300 8 ай бұрын
Oh yes, I'd love to see a harp soundboard.
@aaronstonebeat
@aaronstonebeat 8 ай бұрын
It was my first thought as soon as he said it👍 As a guitar player I say: guitar!!! Acoustic as well as solid body electric.
@StuffandThings_
@StuffandThings_ 8 ай бұрын
@@maxximumb Church organs! The cathedrals themselves help to create the classic organ sound. It would be so cool to see how a cathedral responds to organ playing!
@waszil
@waszil 8 ай бұрын
Collab with @AskOlafTheViolinmaker, showing effects of soundpost placement would be fenomenal
@Everfalling
@Everfalling 8 ай бұрын
There was a thing I saw where a camera focused on a bag of chips through a window could measure the vibrations that speech made on the bag in order to reconstruct voices inside the room the bag was in. I’d love to see that sort of thing amplified.
@oelboy
@oelboy 7 ай бұрын
That's the idea behind laser microphones
@greggv8
@greggv8 7 ай бұрын
@@oelboy it's why you aim a loud speaker at your window(s) to defeat laser microphones
@Quest4astro
@Quest4astro 7 ай бұрын
​@@greggv8or curtains
@endorphinparametric4132
@endorphinparametric4132 6 ай бұрын
@@greggv8 I do that strictly for the tunes.
@PanglossDr
@PanglossDr 6 ай бұрын
That has been in use for surveillance for about 50 years.
@josephbates8117
@josephbates8117 7 ай бұрын
I work on violins and bows and I would love to see motion amplification of a violin back and compare it with different shaped violins, to see if you can tell them apart visually as well as aurally. Maybe you could also test bows by sending a pulse down one and watching it resonate. You could compare different wood types and structures as well as densities and thicknesses.
@DensetsuTekina
@DensetsuTekina 6 ай бұрын
I play violin and would also love to see something like this or related
@nealharder
@nealharder 5 ай бұрын
I had a similar thought- but with other instruments as well- how much does a guitar body vibrate, or a grand piano?
@lukeroussy6479
@lukeroussy6479 5 ай бұрын
Was thinking about a very similar idea. Would be very interested to see how and where different brass instruments vibrate, and the more fine vibrations of a brass musicians embouchure!
@rdadbhawala8383
@rdadbhawala8383 8 ай бұрын
If you use spheres coloured in yin-yang style (each hemisphere and its pole with contrasting colours), it may be possible to see if the axis of rotation stays consistent in the entire action on the slo-mo camera.
@mrhankey20
@mrhankey20 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@jessevennard2640
@jessevennard2640 8 ай бұрын
Or just draw a couple lines around the ball
@vicenteherrera
@vicenteherrera 8 ай бұрын
Draw several points all around the ball, like face motion capture for movies is made
@TheEgg185
@TheEgg185 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Why didn't he just draw an equator around the ball.
@jayme3181
@jayme3181 7 ай бұрын
@@TheEgg185 He's milking it for a second video.
@Blueshirt38
@Blueshirt38 8 ай бұрын
YES I HAVE AN IDEA! The motion amplification camera video was one of the most interesting so far, and it really jogged my brain. I would love to see which parts of an acoustic guitar vibrate the most when played. The entire body is a soundbox, but certain parts vibrate more than others, leading to differing ideas of how guitars should be braced internally to strike the balance between stability and resonance. In my experience with feeling the body while playing, the area around the bridge (understandably) feels like it resonates the most, whereas the areas surrounding the sound hole seem much less resonant. The whole idea may require a somewhat elaborate setup to hold the guitar very stable, but I think it could be a fascinating video.
@pdaddy_
@pdaddy_ 8 ай бұрын
Great idea. Actually the parts that move most will change with different notes (fundamental frequencies) that are played. I would love to see this in action.
@Pho7on
@Pho7on 8 ай бұрын
Or an electric guitar under amplification. We've already proven that tone is in the EQ and amplification stages but it would be cool to see.
@chasm9557
@chasm9557 8 ай бұрын
I think the strings might vibrate the most, but I could be wrong.
@pdaddy_
@pdaddy_ 8 ай бұрын
@@chasm9557 Yes, but the strings make a very small part of the sound. The top of an acoustic guitar is designed to move air because of the movement of the strings.
@thekingoffailure9967
@thekingoffailure9967 8 ай бұрын
I would love to see the inside of a grand piano filmed. Especially because due to resonance, when you hit one note, many other strings start vibrating without being touched depending on their resonant frequency. Very cool
@aanchaallllllll
@aanchaallllllll 7 ай бұрын
0:07: 🤔 The video discusses the phenomenon of a ball being thrown into a cylinder and coming back out again, exploring the concept of centrifugal force and gravity. 2:23: 🎥 The video discusses the ratio of turns between a ball and a cylinder and relates it to the turntable paradox. 4:55: 🔍 The video discusses the ratio between the wall thickness and the square root of a squash ball, as well as the ratio for a mouse ball, and suggests possible explanations for the differences. 7:32: 🎥 The video explains the intuitive explanation of the gyroscopic effect on a ball thrown in a cylinder. 9:56: 📚 The video discusses data brokers and how Incognido helps individuals protect their data. Recap by Tammy AI
@ambition112
@ambition112 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for saving time! Amazing summary tool with lovely time stamps!~ where u download this Tammy AI?
@nerdicorgi
@nerdicorgi 6 ай бұрын
Regarding your motion amplification camera: If you're still looking for ideas, I'd recommend small aircraft. I work at a flight school and it's always amazed me how the vibrations of the engine can ripple through the airframe and have an effect on parts which (to the human eye, at least) seem incredibly stable. It could useful to see the amplified difference between a "perfectly balanced" prop and one which is very nearly balanced.
@andrewberghorn5598
@andrewberghorn5598 6 ай бұрын
Seconded
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 8 ай бұрын
One mirror over the top of the cylinder would give you two synchronized views.
@gabcuba
@gabcuba 8 ай бұрын
Clever
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck 8 ай бұрын
Was just going to say that 😂
@just2607
@just2607 8 ай бұрын
Or just film with two cameras that capture sound and clap to line them up
@jonathanodude6660
@jonathanodude6660 8 ай бұрын
sound of each camera might be off by a different amount.@@just2607
@nagualdesign
@nagualdesign 8 ай бұрын
​@@just2607 Just? 🤨
@DavidManasco
@DavidManasco 8 ай бұрын
For the motion amplification, I would be interested to see how houses and surrounding area reacts when a train passes by. Like what effect is the train have as it is rolling across the tracks. We just moved into a house with a set of train tracks behind us and when the train passes by it feels like the whole house shakes sometimes.
@archaeologistify
@archaeologistify 8 ай бұрын
Yep, my parents house has tracks 20m behind it. When it passes by you can see water shaking in a glass.
@andrewemery4272
@andrewemery4272 8 ай бұрын
It's called Living Next to an Effing Railway Line, what did you expect?
@ryanfrank1309
@ryanfrank1309 8 ай бұрын
​@@andrewemery4272bro the question is why it happens not if it happens.
@evilmonkeywithissues
@evilmonkeywithissues 8 ай бұрын
So most architecture has a natural amount of 'sway' to it that (for the most part) will resist heavy vibrations by lightly rocking with the vibrations. They intentionally build skyscrapers with a certain amount of vertical flexibility to account for wind and earthquakes, and in earthquake prone areas they build most buildings to lightly rock when heavy vibrations are present. Both types of architecture use this natural principle found in almost all types of structures. Certain types of material are naturally more flexible, even if they are seemingly rigid structures. Metal is more flexible than wood, wood is more flexible than concrete and brick, and so on. Essentially, when the train rolls through, it heavily vibrates the flexible metal tracks. Those vibrations spread through the ground and to the foundations of your home, and your home proceeds to lightly shake. It may seem like heavy shaking, but the structure as a whole is not moving that much, the flexibility of the structure makes it seem worse than it is, but also protects the home from falling to pieces.
@EdwardMillen
@EdwardMillen 8 ай бұрын
Yeah that would be interesting! I used to live in a house with a railway line that went through a tunnel pretty much directly under it
@mikkohernborg5291
@mikkohernborg5291 8 ай бұрын
It would probably be easier to visualise what’s happening if you'd drawn three differently-coloured circles oriented peripendicularly to each other (like representing x, y, and z coordinate planes) on the ball. It would ease tracking rotation and direction in slow motion.
@I3ushmasteR
@I3ushmasteR 4 ай бұрын
same thought, I think lines can also work
@MichaelSmith-hp8fy
@MichaelSmith-hp8fy 6 ай бұрын
The closest thing I can come up with to an intuitive analogy for what may be going on is from playing with marble mazes as a child. If you throw a ball bearing around a funnel in an elliptical orbit, you get the same pattern. The ball keeps missing the hole in the funnel and running back up the other side. This shape makes intuitive sense. Now all we have to do to make what the ball accomplishes in the cylinder intuitive, is to slowly augment the shape of the funnel until the funnel *is* a cylinder. Even with the cylinder, the ball is attempting, and is, following an elliptical orbit and "missing" the hole at the bottom of the funnel and running back up the other side. The fact that this works with the completely vertical sides of a cylinder rather than the more angular sides of a funnel, and the fact that it's more difficult to intuit and elliptical orbit inside a cylinder, is where the bizarre intuition break happens.
@Unshou
@Unshou 8 ай бұрын
It would cool to draw dots on the squash ball (or the smaller ball) to be able to track more precisely the axis of rotation (kind of like you get on some pool balls to illustrate the effect of spin).
@foreverspellman
@foreverspellman 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think that the action happens because it's a curved ball 'rolling' on a curved surface. With enough force applied to set the ball in a rolling motion, the curvature of the cylinder and the curvature of the ball makes it spin on a different axis, causing it to 'turn' while it rolls. This might be simple and i'm talking out loud, but that's the part i'm interested in
@bromero88
@bromero88 8 ай бұрын
@@foreverspellmanI think you're on to something. That's why the flat surface attempt fell flat. 🙃 This should have been a main response.
@4g0tten4
@4g0tten4 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I was wondering why he didn’t draw lines or dots on the balls to get a better “intuitive” grasp of what was going on as they spin around the cylinder.
@ModelLights
@ModelLights 8 ай бұрын
@@4g0tten4 ' draw lines' Yep just saw this and the first thought on seeing it, small grooves with a bright color like 3 or 4 latitude lines would show what's going on much better. Especially the once in a while you got the lines basically in line with the roll direction of motion, you would easily see the steering that is going on besides just the rolling of the ball. It's there a little bit in the video, some tracking with the squash ball logo. But of course it would be much better with full lines.
@aggies11
@aggies11 8 ай бұрын
@@bromero88 I wonder if you had an much larger circumference cylinder, would this change? The larger the circle the more like a "flat" surface it should operate? Specifically the ratio of ball circumference to cylinder.
@prof_lu_st
@prof_lu_st 8 ай бұрын
I guess the easiest way to figure out what happens should be painting the ball on equator and on poles, shouldn't it?
@ThomasBomb45
@ThomasBomb45 8 ай бұрын
if the axis of rotation changes, poles and equator would change, plus lining it all up at the beginning would be a huge challenge. but marking the ball in some way should let us see the rotation
@RealCadde
@RealCadde 8 ай бұрын
You would paint a red line across the equator, a blue line across the 0 and 180 degree longitude and a green line across the 90 and 270 degree longitude.
@NicoMelone
@NicoMelone 8 ай бұрын
Just evenly cover the surface of the ball in dots then it shouldn’t really matter.
@uualrus
@uualrus 8 ай бұрын
You could paint it like a soccer ball
@smarty20two
@smarty20two 8 ай бұрын
@@NicoMelone painting it may not yield the same results since the paint material might not display the same properties as the original surface. A line would be a much better idea. I think pronounced dots would be an even better idea! 6 or 10 dots to mark points 90 degrees apart and let the fun begin!
@michaelblankenau6598
@michaelblankenau6598 8 ай бұрын
Very impressive analysis . It's great that you take the time and effort to understand something that very few would give a second thought and then make what you discover available to us . Congratulations !
@calvinwisniewski7625
@calvinwisniewski7625 7 ай бұрын
My first instinct was that the ball is essentially bouncing with extra steps. The centripetal force gives enough friction againt the wall that it is able to elasticly return the downward component of your initial throw. The gyroscope effect keeps the ball from just rolling down the wall by limiting its ability to spin in that direction.
@stevenmaillet
@stevenmaillet 8 ай бұрын
The motion amplification camera is the coolest thing i've heard of in such a long time.
@MadderoftheFew
@MadderoftheFew 8 ай бұрын
to me it's super creepy for no discernable reason
@petervanderwaart1138
@petervanderwaart1138 8 ай бұрын
I'm curious if it would show something with musical instruments, especially wind instruments like flutes and trumpets.
@wtmqwq
@wtmqwq 8 ай бұрын
@@petervanderwaart1138 great idea!
@Dragoon710
@Dragoon710 8 ай бұрын
@@petervanderwaart1138 will a camera meant to record vibrations be able to record instruments that work because of vibration? What do you think?
@Victorsandergamer
@Victorsandergamer 8 ай бұрын
​@@Dragoon710they're wondering what it would look like if the vibrations picked up by the camera are great enough, Sherlock
@gizmobowen
@gizmobowen 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to see the motion amplification of an interior of a car, with the engine running. It would be especially interesting if there were some sort of buzzes or rattles in the dashboard. Hopefully the motion amplification could pinpoint where the noises were coming from, as it can be hard to locate with your ears.
@906MediaProductions
@906MediaProductions 8 ай бұрын
Yes! I bet the rearview mirror goes bananas at certain rpms.
@karlhungus5395
@karlhungus5395 8 ай бұрын
My RV gives me a headache on the road.
@LobstersLobsters
@LobstersLobsters 8 ай бұрын
The body panels on a classic muscle car idling probably do lots of wiggling
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 8 ай бұрын
I can't explain but I think that would be hilarious. Just seeing, like, the vroom, but visually.
@DampActionRC
@DampActionRC 8 ай бұрын
Was going to comment this but thankfully, that work has been done already. Please use this camera on the interior of an ICE vehicle on startup, and maybe also while running. Thanks Steve!
@durrenbt
@durrenbt 8 ай бұрын
Suggestion for the motion amplification camera: The top of an acoustic steel string guitar. You should see the different modes of the guitar, changing by string and by note. The modes are very complex and would be really interesting to visualize.
@dicerson9976
@dicerson9976 8 ай бұрын
If you pay really close attention to the high speed shots, you can visually *see* the axis of rotation changing on the balls by watching their surface texture's spin. You'll notice that the axis seems to "flip" at that midpoint in the osclilation. If you take that initialy intuitive explanation of the ball's axis of rotation remaining the same as it travels around the cylinder, you can very clearly see that happening in every shot (its easier for the hollow ball shots, since its surface texture is less homogenous and easier to discern). But at just about the end of that first go-around you can see the ball very quickly and very suddenly flip its axis of rotation the other way, thuse steering the direction in which it spins. You can basically "trace" their movement along the cylinder and find that it very very closely mirrors that sort of up and down spinny rotation of a spun coin as it nears the end of its spin. The balls in this case are basically tracing the edge of that coin as it spins, first going in a Top-left/bottom-right diagonal and then a Top-right/bottom-left diagonal
@vinnie7121
@vinnie7121 2 ай бұрын
Now you're making me think of Veritasium's video discussing the intermediate axis theorem. I know a sphere doesn't do that, but I'm pondering it. When Steve unrolled the cylinder I see that as an incomplete model as the diameter of the ball relative to the cylinder affects how the contact patch moves (as does the surface squishiness). Imagine a rounded motorbike tyre steering with the castor angle. Combining it with the coin rotation paradox and throw in this idea of gyroscopic axis preservation and I think he's come up with a pretty good way to visualise the concepts going on with this one. Anyone want to model or try the same thing with non-spherical rolling objects?
@andykins118118
@andykins118118 8 ай бұрын
For motion amplification you could show cars at a subwoofer competition. It’d be fun to see how the people inside look with it
@ts4gv
@ts4gv 8 ай бұрын
oh yeah that'd be funny to watch car trunks wiggle at 40hz
@johanvanstaden2408
@johanvanstaden2408 8 ай бұрын
Many car related things: body panel deformation; tyre deformation and rebound; dragsters; race cars and bikes. Planes; suspensions; buildings flexing.
@marcgobern8258
@marcgobern8258 7 ай бұрын
I had the same idea but with a rotatory subwoofer, wich can go down to 5Hz or even less. But that works best on a house i think. PD: Also rotatory subwoofers have a lot mor dBs
@darrylpioch2055
@darrylpioch2055 7 ай бұрын
At infrasonic frequencies they will generally produce much higher SPL that linear motor subwoofers. But at audible subsonic frequencies a traditional subwoofer will be superior for SPL and have much lower distortion. Modern competition winning builds for standard vehicles (not extreme vehicles) push over 160dB and on occasion even over 170dB which is physically unbearable for a human loll. Tap out territory is usually in the low 160s for most people. Extreme style vehicles get into the 180s but those can only a test tone to get those numbers. A rotary subwoofer allows for extremely high SPL at low frequencies because they ingenuously and blatantly violate ‘excursion law.’ (Not sure what to dub it). But essentially with a normal linear motor driver, for every halving of the frequency, you need four times the excursion to maintain the same SPL (assuming there is no role play by the enclosure, infinite baffle). A rotary subwoofer completely gets around that by introducing a time constant, since the blades can continuously move air in either direction and reproduce DC. If you cut the frequency in half, then the fan just has twice the amount of time to move the air, thus no more excursion law. And at 0Hz, the fan can just move air continuously in one direction, being the equivalent of infinite excursion
@darrylpioch2055
@darrylpioch2055 7 ай бұрын
That’d be awesome. Although some builds now are so ridiculous you wouldn't even need it 🤣🤣
@richardbeck8945
@richardbeck8945 8 ай бұрын
Put 3 stripes around the ball, 2 from top to bottom offset by 90 deg and a third around the “equator”. Each stripe has a different color. This will help show full motion range of the ball. You could also keep the strips solid color and instead color each of the 8 sections a different color. Then enlist the help of the slo mo guys to do a collaborative video about it.
@lobster7799
@lobster7799 8 ай бұрын
Great idea
@AccidentalTradWife
@AccidentalTradWife 8 ай бұрын
I love this!
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 8 ай бұрын
"enlist the help of the slo mo guys" should be on the to-do list of every single KZfaqr, no matter what the video subject is.
@AmadeuShinChan
@AmadeuShinChan 6 ай бұрын
Or use color, if the strips modify the rotation too much.
@dorbie
@dorbie 8 ай бұрын
The intuitive explanation seems easy to come by and you nailed it I think. Conservation of angular momentum where imparted momentum eventually matches velocity at the contact point then through friction becomes an acceleration force through conservation of angular momentum while simultaneously and continuously sustaining additional conversion of velocity to angular momentum to match surface contact velocities at the tangential contact point.
@kalen1702
@kalen1702 6 ай бұрын
6:58 Wow! I didn't know that this RDI technology was a thing and it's fascinating. I'm so excited to watch your video on this topic that you mentioned. I love learning about something I've never considered before
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 8 ай бұрын
You could film the top and side view at the same time by filming from the top and putting an angled mirror in frame next to the tube to give you the side view. Kinda like the opposite of how they use a mirror to align two big cameras when they film 3D movies.
@b.s.864
@b.s.864 8 ай бұрын
Or vice versa. film from the side with a mirror above for the top view. That way you don't have to get fancy with the camera mounting.
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 8 ай бұрын
@@b.s.864 that’s probably easier… lol my brain just immediately jumps to the most complicated way to do things… “I have a flat tire.. let’s push the car over by that huge tree, and then someone bring me 5 pulleys, a snatchblock, some industrial chain and dyneema rope. I’ll need nine strong men and a Girl Scout…” “Or we can use the jack in the trunk…” “Oh… right. Yeah… that works too.” Haha
@b.s.864
@b.s.864 8 ай бұрын
@@DanteYewToobWhich way is easier would be highly circumstantial. For instance the TV show Good Eats reportedly used the vertical camera option for many of it's cooking shots with a sliding mirror to switch to the host.
@davidhobson5789
@davidhobson5789 8 ай бұрын
For the Motion Amplification Cam, maybe a collab with Look Mum No Computer with the organ he repurposed at his place. There are some huge pipes that will oscilate when the air passes through them and you can fit dozens of these pipes in frame to see how the size affects the oscillations.
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 8 ай бұрын
That would be cool
@stamfordly6463
@stamfordly6463 8 ай бұрын
That's a good idea. Gun barrels are another possibility, it's one thing to know theoretically that tiny pressure bulges travel up from breach to muzzle but it would be fascinating to actually see it.
@jeremywest9945
@jeremywest9945 8 ай бұрын
Playing a chord would be fantastic. You could see the pipes go in and out of phase with one another, or explore beats with two similarly tuned pipes.
@Jemonov
@Jemonov 8 ай бұрын
This would be hugely awesome collab on all levels.
@wkjagt
@wkjagt 8 ай бұрын
Steve Mould and Look Mum No Computer definitely needs to happen.
@christ9359
@christ9359 5 ай бұрын
For the motion amplification camera, I think it'd be interesting to see motion in various sports contexts. How does a bat, hockey stick, or racket vibrate through impact? How does impact affect the ball? How about the human body? How do our muscles vibrate when running, jumping, swinging, etc.? Hopefully the macro motion doesn't cause any issue capturing the micro motion in these cases.
@GaryKlineCA
@GaryKlineCA 8 ай бұрын
The behavior reminds me of a ball rolling into and out of a bowl. If it retains enough momentum, it'll pop back out; if not, it stays in the bowl, just rolling back and forth like a pendulum. I think you already gave us an intuitive explanation - the forward momentum leads the ball into the cylinder, the gyroscopic effect wants to roll the ball back out, the frictional force direction keeps changing in relation to the gyroscopic direction, and the three start negotiating with one another. Given enough momentum and a friendly angle, the resulting path begins oscillating between downward and upward. Great video!
@F1nn731
@F1nn731 8 ай бұрын
Steve is the only person that can actually make me want to learn something I don’t need
@venomsabre2696
@venomsabre2696 8 ай бұрын
sounds kinda similar to school, except there they make you not want to learn anything
@chrisfeldi
@chrisfeldi 8 ай бұрын
ever played beerpong?
@InservioLetum
@InservioLetum 8 ай бұрын
Oh wow, you my friend are in for a loooooooong weekend when you discover Wikipedia
@lachlantheobald1819
@lachlantheobald1819 8 ай бұрын
I think a cool object for motion amplification video would be a string instrument like a violin or a cello (Maybe a double bass depending on the maximum frequency of the camera) would be cool - there's a lot of engineering of the shapes of these instruments to control the harmonics of the sound. Also, you don't need 2 high speed cameras if you have a good mirror, that way you don't need to sync your camera streams Edit: Typo
@kgbmedia97
@kgbmedia97 8 ай бұрын
I’d love to see that! The physics of amplifying low frequencies geometrically is also a really interesting topic.
@MNation69
@MNation69 8 ай бұрын
Yes please
@swirle13
@swirle13 8 ай бұрын
I can't picture how to position a mirror to get a horizontal view and a top down view with a single camera, can you explain?
@lvl99dh
@lvl99dh 8 ай бұрын
​@@swirle13put it at a ~45° angle from the camera (a little shallower for fov reasons) above the cylinder. It makes more sense if you draw arrows from the camera to the cylinder, you'll see that you have the direct path from the camera to the cylinder to see the hoz and then the mirror will bounce the view directly down the middle of the cylinder for the vert
@lachlantheobald1819
@lachlantheobald1819 8 ай бұрын
@@swirle13 Sure: assuming that your camera has an aspect ratio somewhat similar to 16:9, point the camera vertically down with the top down shot taking up the right hand of the frame. If you position a mirror with its bottom edge touching the base of the cylinder you should have enough frame to get a somewhat reasonable shot of the side.
@L_balu
@L_balu 8 ай бұрын
one of the best channel on this platform, ever. Thank you again!
@gawayne1374
@gawayne1374 8 ай бұрын
@SteveMould, did you try applying the equations of orbital mechanics to it? Orbits are mathematically just sections of a cylinder. The motion of the ball looks a lot like a precessing orbital plane. The ball shooting out occurs when the trajectory matches e>1, which is what we use to slingshot spacecraft around planets.
@silviavalentine3812
@silviavalentine3812 8 ай бұрын
Usually papers don't have very intuitive math due to how many layers the information is on top of. What I think might be helpful is use the force diagram and simulate how it changes with each time frame. That might be a good place to start
@danthewalsh
@danthewalsh 7 ай бұрын
I’ve demystified the math here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asuiZcWmrrSsdmQ.htmlsi=dPlL8yD0K1UL-7lI
@AJGoff110
@AJGoff110 8 ай бұрын
I think it would be helpful to track where the ball is in contact with the cylinder, and then draw/animate that path along the surface of the ball. It's not just rolling along a circular path along the circumference, and I think understanding that is important for an intuitive understanding. Also if you put markings on the ball so we can clearly see how it is actually oriented, that would help to understand/visualize what's goin on.
@JokeswithMitochondria
@JokeswithMitochondria 8 ай бұрын
Yepp
@sterlingarcher8041
@sterlingarcher8041 8 ай бұрын
@@JokeswithMitochondria your username intrigued my curiosity so I went to your profile. Your entire channel is mood Imao
@Zebo12345678
@Zebo12345678 8 ай бұрын
I'm curious about how that would trace in a hypothetical situation without gravity or friction. Would it make circuits around an ellipse? Would it gradually level out until it's moving around a circle? How does this behave if you isolate variables and change them one at a time?
@loremipsum8321
@loremipsum8321 8 ай бұрын
I think from its perspective, the ball is simply traveling in a straight, 2 dimensional line. Cutting the tube open to rectangular shape should help visualize this. It doesn’t hit bottom part because the angle doesn’t allow it to, like shooting a cue ball through narrow space. It travels in a straight line as far as the angle allows, then it hits imaginary rectangle and bounce back.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 8 ай бұрын
A good start to this would be to simply draw some stripes on the ball. Some design that would allow you to 'see' the spin with a high speed camera.
@zsomborszarka2616
@zsomborszarka2616 8 ай бұрын
Medhi recently made a video with aluminum foil balls, where he could have used the RDI technology, to see the small movements of the balls. You two should make a follow up video together about the phenomenon! I would love to watch it happen!
@mydude3254
@mydude3254 7 ай бұрын
Yes I want to see more with the motion amplification camera! I can think of so many industries and application where that could be extremely useful!
@liambohl
@liambohl 8 ай бұрын
I love following Steve on his journey from bewildering phenomenon to intuitive understanding.
@MarmaLloyd
@MarmaLloyd 8 ай бұрын
Edit: Didn't realize he was going to mention it during the video. Just recognized it I'm sat here trying to figure out why he still has the ball from an old mouse to hand?
@horticultural_industries
@horticultural_industries 8 ай бұрын
Would love to see motion amplification of a 3D printer, to be able to see the different vibrations that occur as it moves around. A comparison between a cheap and expensive printer would be cool too!
@hadinossanosam4459
@hadinossanosam4459 8 ай бұрын
Cool idea! I'd love to see a comparison of the different stepper drivers (A4988, DRV8825, TMC2130, TMC2208, etc.) as well, but that seems more like a CNC Kitchen video than a Steve Mould one
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 8 ай бұрын
​@@hadinossanosam4459oh that's a great review strategy
@palemale2501
@palemale2501 6 ай бұрын
Top notch work and easy to understand presentations.
@theexcaliburone5933
@theexcaliburone5933 6 ай бұрын
Musical instruments for the vibrato camera would be extremely cool, especially woodwind instruments where it's kindof unclear where the sound actually happens; for strings its the strings, for brass its the bells, for woodwinds it's generally the tone holes but it would be nice to see that visualized.
@boppins
@boppins 8 ай бұрын
Minute amplification ideas: Bathrooms - curious to see how well built a bathroom is - turn on the water and see if there are any movements in the shower/bath. Cars, the car itself and the engine compartment - how does a car vibrate? Nailing up a picture on the wall - sometimes when you nail up a picture, you might popout an old drywall nail; would be interesting to see what vibrations are caused when nailing on a wall. Similarly, jumping on a 2nd story house - the other day my daughter started jumping with joy and I could feel the house framing move as we were on the 2nd floor.
@RJFerret
@RJFerret 8 ай бұрын
This reminds me of throwing a tennis ball against the rear of my childhood house, my father asked me to stop and showed me how the opposite end of the front of the house, wood siding nails were loosening.
@banderzwierz
@banderzwierz 8 ай бұрын
The idea for motion amplification is "How a transformer emit a high-pitched sound?" (if it can register such high frequencies). It might be quite interesting because AFAIK it's because a transformer physically changes its shape due to the magnetostriction effect on the transformer's core.
@2adamast
@2adamast 8 ай бұрын
50-60 hz base high frequency?
@banderzwierz
@banderzwierz 8 ай бұрын
@@2adamast I had in mind the high pitch that sometimes comes from phone charger or other electronics (it usually operates on much higher frequencies). But you're right, it can also be a low hum when it's directly connected to the outlet.
@k80theshade
@k80theshade 7 ай бұрын
I can explain this rather easily, I think. The key to understanding what is happening between the ball and cylinder is in analyzing the relative motion of the core of the ball vs. the outside of the ball vs. the cylinder wall. Like a continuously-variable transmission, the pathway of contact determines the speed at which the ball rotates vs. the speed the center of the ball travels across the inside of the cylinder. From the balls' frame of reference, its pathway through the cylinder is no different than it would be through a cone. As the ball reaches a point in the pathway around the inside of the cylinder where it is spinning on a shorter line of longitude, the actual speed of the ball as it travels across the cylinder is at its lowest. Then as the inertia of the ball continues to push it around the cylinder, the longitude of the contact line on the ball grows larger, allowing more of the inertia stored up on the way down to be released into the cylinder wall, which in turn decreases the speed at which the ball is rotating while increasing the speed at which it is revolving around the center of an elliptic section of the cylinder. This increase in speed results in an increase in centrifugal force, which flings the ball *upward* because the downward direction was where it gathered the momentum.
@chadmace3355
@chadmace3355 6 ай бұрын
Steve - huge fan of your videos. The discussion around intuition is great. If you stripe the ball with a few colors, it would be most helpful to see the how the axis of rotation is influenced by the wall and rolling.
@TheZolon
@TheZolon 8 ай бұрын
Motion Camera Idea: Oscillations of sky scrapers during wind storms. From external to internal support structure.
@V5Aussie
@V5Aussie 8 ай бұрын
I've heard that up to 80% of the noise a passenger jet makes while in flight is fuselage/wing vibrations. I imagine this would be a massive task to turn into a video, but I think it could be incredibly cool.
@AHSEN.
@AHSEN. 8 ай бұрын
long cardboard box + 3D printed plane + EDF (or any other fan, but I like electronic ducted fans because they're absurdly powerful) 👀
@kevdragmas
@kevdragmas 7 ай бұрын
Based on your explanation and the slow motion footage, the best way I think I could explain it is similar to your explanation. As you throw the ball into the cylinder, it'll instantly encounter friction against the wall of the cylinder and begin rolling in the direction you threw it. But then, due to the curvature of the cylinder, it'll "roll" (actually slipping) around to the other side, and with your same naive assumption that the axis of rotation stays the same, the ball's original rolling rotation will now be rolling against the direction of its movement and start rolling back up the cylinder. One experiment that might be an extreme example of this is throwing a bouncy ball under a table. You might have done a video on this before, but if you throw a bouncy ball under a table, it'll hit the floor and begin spinning forward. Then as it bounces up, still spinning forward, it hits the underside of the table and instantly gets thrown back out from under the table in the direction you threw it because the forward spin hitting the table produces a backwards frictional force that causes it to bounce back. At least that's how I understand it and it seems like an extreme version of a cylinder. With the cylinder, you then have to account for the spin of the ball constantly trying to match the direction of the ball's tangential movement along the cylinder walls.
@ryanjohnson3615
@ryanjohnson3615 8 ай бұрын
How about a motion amplification of a city skyline or a very tall building district during a wind storm? It would be neat to actually see a building with a tuned mass dampener next to one without!
@Smiling.Y
@Smiling.Y 8 ай бұрын
This reminds me of what happens sometimes in basketball where the equator of basketball gets really low on the rim but then the ball pops out anyway. Once I saw the ball go around the rim about 3 times before falling out instead of going through the hole.
@bromero88
@bromero88 8 ай бұрын
This might have more to do with the "applied" backspin from shooting the ball, but without a mechanism to launch the ball exactly the same into the cylinder each time there's going to be inadvertent spin added each time.
@WarDaft
@WarDaft 7 ай бұрын
I hadn't actually thought about this, having only played a few rounds of mini-golf in my life, but it makes sense, within a certain range of parameters. Without watching more than 5 seconds of the video, what is obvious is that you are getting rotational force input from two different fixed directions but you can only actually rotate in one direction, so since one of the forces is an exponentally decaying linear input and the other is an accelerating quadratic input, the rotation is unstable and must flip, and since flipping is symmetrical and cylindrical holes are symmetrical, there are necessarily cases where the ball just pops back out. Neat!
@pneumantic6297
@pneumantic6297 8 ай бұрын
I wrote basically an essay here just a second ago but I figured I would explain this more Layman's terms. - Ignore gravity so you can see this change to the extreme - ignore the gripping factor, this is taking into account sliding which ignores the force of friction. - Now what you want to know is why it takes this trajectory, we will look at its angular momentum vector in order to see this clearly and make the trajectory horizontal. Like this ^ | ------------------- The area you see here is the trajectory (x axis) and angular momentum vector (y axis.) This vertical line basically just shows the angle that the ball is rotating (think of it as a pen and the ball is spinning around the pen with the pen being the center of the ball). For this angle to change, there needs to be a force which overrides the force holding it upright. We said gravity = 0 before, now lets say the force of gravity increases based on earth. This means f=m*a , on earth (a) doesnt change. So you can only change mass. Considering this, the more mass the larger the force of gravity. Considering the ball is thrown at an angle, then your visual diagram would have a gravity force that is not in the opposite direction of the angular momentum direction, but at an angle like so Like this ^ | ------------------- \
@JesusFreke
@JesusFreke 8 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could develop some little magnetic "kicker" to give a tiny bit of energy at the bottom of its oscillation, to keep it going indefinitely, similar to those kinetic magnetic desk toys. I would absolutely love to have something like that as a desk toy.
@MrTweetyhack
@MrTweetyhack 8 ай бұрын
there's a seller
@m8e
@m8e 8 ай бұрын
Could work with a lighter ball(table tennis ball?) and a fan. The fan makes a vortex so the ball keep spinning, airflow upwards cancels out gravity.
@hugofontes5708
@hugofontes5708 8 ай бұрын
​@@m8ejust gotta keep the momentum going so it keeps spinning as well
@Makes_me_wonder
@Makes_me_wonder 8 ай бұрын
The big version shown in the video moves fast enough already. A desk toy sized one would move too fast to admire and wouldn't look *cool*
@jayantchoudhary1495
@jayantchoudhary1495 8 ай бұрын
It might be possible if we put the motor inside the ball (similar to electronic bablade)and power it through induction.
@quidproquo9000
@quidproquo9000 8 ай бұрын
id like to see a motion amplification video of a jackhammer, where something is actually intended to break, to see if it can predict where stuff breaks
@alexgreen2747
@alexgreen2747 8 ай бұрын
I would love to see the high speed camera applied to both the ball and club of a golfing tee-off. Great video as always Steve!
@BruceHaley-og4bf
@BruceHaley-og4bf 7 ай бұрын
Per your request, here is an attempt at a simple intuitive explanation of why the ball's vertical travel oscillates at a ratio lower than once for every circuit of the cylinder, the value obtained if the axis of rotation remains fixed. (IDK whether a better explanation has already been posted.): The ball initially enters the cylinder rolling at a downward angle. It has a downward velocity and its initial axis of rotation is at an angle to the vertical. Assume for the moment its axis of rotation stays fixed, and there is no slipping. A quarter of the way around the cylinder the ball's trajectory will be horizontal. Its downward velocity will have changed to zero. One can think of the downward velocity change as resulting from a force applied perpendicular to the ball's trajectory and acting on a tangent to the ball's surface at the point where it contacts the cylinder. That force bends the ball's trajectory. But being tangent to the surface, it also affects the ball's axis of rotation. (The direction of axis change is per the gyroscope effect.) Because some of the force is spent changing the axis of rotation, less remains to bend the trajectory. So the trajectory changes more slowly than it would otherwise. When the trajectory changes more slowly, the oscillation ratio is lowered. Hence the oscillation ratio is lower than the 1:1 obtained if the axis of rotation did not change.
@marbleop9881
@marbleop9881 8 ай бұрын
Put a mirror over the cylinder? This way the camera sees both
@SteveMould
@SteveMould 8 ай бұрын
That's a really good suggestion
@marbleop9881
@marbleop9881 8 ай бұрын
​@@SteveMouldor maybe under the cylinder standing on a transparent table. Less chance of breaking a mirror with a mouse ball ^^
@HunterJE
@HunterJE 8 ай бұрын
Hah was typing up this same reply then thought "should just ctrl-F 'mirror' first" - turns out we Mould viewers are all similarly resourceful!
@justinhufford6383
@justinhufford6383 8 ай бұрын
I've never heard of a motion amplification camera but now I need one! I'd love to see musical instruments, such as guitar strings, drum heads, or even brass instruments!
@ericwazhung
@ericwazhung 8 ай бұрын
a guitar string lit by a CRT TV can be quite a sight... strobe lights also do nicely and aren't difficult to achieve with LEDs
@sophiegrey9576
@sophiegrey9576 8 ай бұрын
I've seen a few guitar string recordings by what I think were motion amplification cameras before. It was really cool.
@monkerud2108
@monkerud2108 7 ай бұрын
its easy to think a constant force means constant rate of precession, but not so, it has to accelerate, in steady state yes a constant force means constant precession to maintain conservation of angular momentum, but when it is changing its a bit different, that is where the delay in the non slip case comes from i think. when you arrive at the bottom you have the maximum rate of precession steering upward but 0 rate of change in the rate of precession plus the change in rate of precession from gravity it the rate of change of precession from gravity is always just depending on the angle between the vertical and the direction of motion inside the cylinder, its maximal when the ball rolls fast and the angle is flat and parallel with the circular direction, but at some speed and downward trajectory the delayed rate of precession when you reach parallel trajectory tangent with the circular horizontal direction it is smaller than the upward steering change in precession causing a decrease in the steephood of the trajectory eventually leading to the ball going up again. roughly speaking. i think the intuitive hurdle is basically too get this idea of a torque on a gyro leading to a specific rate of precession out of your head and relearn what happens to a gyro when a torque is applied. you can solve it exactly for the case with no gravity and then think of the height as a change between different solutions to the no external force problem. so as you go down in the potential its a continous transformation into instantanious parts of different non external force solutions. not very intuetive perhaps but its real and true. then the moment of inerta and the hight determines the speed at soem height, and the speed gives you a trajectory for an orbit without any force correpsonding to a small change, like gravity only acted for a breif moment and changed one no external force solution into another non external force solution with the same angles and speed at that point to as you go down it corresponds to the same angle solutions with more velocity and angular momentum correpsonding to different derrivatives, and so you can derrive a change in the changes and get ready to do some crazy maths lol :P. sorry for typos or mistakes.
@dacelo3
@dacelo3 8 ай бұрын
Further intuitive explanation: The ball is spinning with an angle of rotation perpendicular to the radius of the cilinder. But in every degree of rotation, this angle tilts just a little because the gravity is pulling the ball to the ground while the ball is in contact with the wall so it creates a small rotation in the perpendicular axis. This small rotation that change the direction of the ball is in function of the inercia of the ball: The higher the inercia, the higher the number of turns of the cilinder for every up and down.
@SebastianHasch
@SebastianHasch 8 ай бұрын
Hard drives vibrating can be a problem in server settings (hence the need for server grade hard drives). Could be interesting to see how much they actually vibrate :)
@thomasmclean9406
@thomasmclean9406 8 ай бұрын
Would motion amplication show much much they vibrate? I thought it would just highlight the parts that are moving?
@djfirewall
@djfirewall 8 ай бұрын
We had a similar problem in our lab where we needed 2 slow motion cameras (we didn't) so we used a tilted mirror. It worked. Nice video
@scrapnuk2703
@scrapnuk2703 7 ай бұрын
Hi, great viedeo as always! For your camera: Some times, when I stand at a traffic light on my bicycle or even sitting in a car, and a truck drives by on the other lane, I think I can feel a faint shaking of the ground. (But I don't know if this is just the air pushed sideways by the truck instead.) Would it be possible to film a road with this move-amplifing camera and see the ground shacke because of the traffic?
@MrJonChow
@MrJonChow 8 ай бұрын
You could allude to the carnival game where people are required to throw balls into a wide pail thats placed at a 45 - 60 degree angle, where the goal was to make the ball stay inside the pail. The trick was to throw the ball with some combination of a bit of spin or at an angle or an arc in such a way that the balls rotation and momentum is cancelled or negated after the first contact of the pail's sides.
@dannymac6368
@dannymac6368 8 ай бұрын
Happens with basketball hoops as well, though I’m guessing spin and physical grip has more to do with it in that case.
@user-us3cb2oq9c
@user-us3cb2oq9c 8 ай бұрын
Bingo
@loganrussell48
@loganrussell48 8 ай бұрын
Also, the point of contact of the basketball on the rim is different than in the examples here. Flipping the point of reference, it's almost like the cylinder(rim) is spinning around the ball
@wildbobentertainment
@wildbobentertainment 8 ай бұрын
3:34 Have you considered spraying a hollow ball with something like Testors Dulcoate? Magicians sometimes use it on playing cards to increase friction between two cards. Great video, as always.
@tedwrigley9995
@tedwrigley9995 8 ай бұрын
If you want an intuitive way of explaining this, I'd suggest starting with pool ball 'english'. In pool, english means we strike the cueball off-center, imparting a lateral spin that interacts with the typical vertical spin of the ball rolling across the table; this makes the cueball swerve in the direction of the spin. So (e.g.) if you were to take out the flat inclined plane you used early in the video, but give the ball a sharp upward twist before releasing it, I think you'd see the ball do a dip and rise before gravity overcame that initial english. What I suspect happens inside the cylinder is that centrifugal force is putting a constant 'english' on the ball, producing a countervailing spin moment by moment. That english occurs because the the ball is in contact with the wall at a spot that is not generally on the rotational equator of the ball, adding a new spin. The ball goes up and down cyclically because the additive directional vector of the spins changes according to the (periodic) precession of the ball itself and the (periodic) changes in the ball's contact point with the cylinder wall.
@terrymoore4238
@terrymoore4238 7 ай бұрын
This reminds me of my intuitive explanation of the gyroscope. I was flatting with a PhD physics student who called my explanation nonsense. He said it was just conservation of angular momentum. It is, but that isn't very intuitive. (BTW, I do have a BSc in mathematics which contained 50% applied maths and physics in first year.) My argument is similar to what you explained in the video. If a spinning top starts to tip it will start to gain angular momentum about a line perpendicular to the axis of rotation. After 1/8 of a rotation that component will be perpendicular to the original direction (explaining precession) and after another 1/8 of a rotation it will be upwards and restore the balance. As there are always such disturbances (wind, vibration) this happens continuously but unnoticeably. But as the top slows down the 1/8 of a rotation takes long enough for us to see the effect and the nutations become very visible. Maybe that would make a nice video if it hasn't already been done.
@jonnyknuckles489
@jonnyknuckles489 8 ай бұрын
Could you possibly use your motion amplification camera on a roadway bridge? Not sure what the lenses & technology allow, but it'd be cool to see a suspension bridge, or even just a standard concrete overpass flex as cars go over.
@Flopsaurus
@Flopsaurus 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking this too! A bridge would be really cool to see
@lessefrost
@lessefrost 8 ай бұрын
I'd be curious to see the difference in vibration management between older bridges and newer ones if it was possible. Maybe even more modern earthquake resistant bridges and structures.
@RDITechnologies
@RDITechnologies 8 ай бұрын
Our CEO took this bridge video a few years ago! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7KcqtR7ub3UZZc.html Makes you think..
@brentshanahan947
@brentshanahan947 8 ай бұрын
Doing it with people walking across smaller pedestrian bridges would be interesting to see as well.
@cereberus99
@cereberus99 8 ай бұрын
I'd love to see the motion camera filming various types of bridges such as suspension bridges and cantilever bridges. There are three different bridge types where I live and I've noticed, during rush hour commute, that when I put my foot down (on my motorcycle) that the cantilever bridge I cross bounces imperceptibly.
@GregConquest
@GregConquest 8 ай бұрын
... bounces perceptibly. If imperceptible, you wouldn't be able to feel the vibrations when you put your foot down. And yeah, I'd like to see bridges' vibration patterns too.
@Jeep_God1998
@Jeep_God1998 8 ай бұрын
I second this notion
@rapscalliana
@rapscalliana 8 ай бұрын
I first this notion.@@Jeep_God1998
@cereberus99
@cereberus99 8 ай бұрын
*bounces imperceptibly to the naked eye@@GregConquest
@erink476
@erink476 8 ай бұрын
huh, I've noticed that too. There's a road where I live where one direction of traffic crosses the river on a steel truss bridge, and the other direction crosses on a concrete slab bridge, and I can definitely feel movement if I stop on the steel one. It's a little alarming at times, especially since I know that bridge is pretty old.
@monkerud2108
@monkerud2108 7 ай бұрын
you can think of a gyro with a constant precession rate as generating a force in the opposing direction, so apply a constant torque to a gyro and its rate of precession will accelerate until the rotation rate of the angular momentum axis will produce a torque that opposes perfectly the onoe applied, if that makes sense, parsed poorly, but thats the idea, so a rotating rotation vector corresponds to a torque with a rotation direction, so its kind of what corresponds to two different parpendicular axsheeesh of rotation combined together, which is the kind of path the your fingertips trace out when doing the 720 rotation trick. so in the rotating frame of the gyros angular momentum there will be a touqe 90 degrees of both of the rotation axis that have angular frequency, so this torque can be balanced with your finger for example in free space but then you ofc accelerate the whole setup as well so in a steady state you are doing work on the linear velocity. in the real world you are accelerating and not in a steady state, thats why the intuition of constant rate constant force decives you.
@thedarkknight1971
@thedarkknight1971 7 ай бұрын
Hey Steve... Even though I don't play squash myself, I understand there are different grades of balls for 'Speed' and those graded balls react differently during the game of squash, as in, as they warm up with the constant hitting of rackets and the wall, they change their perameters of bounce etc... So.. Would different temperatures of the squash ball make a difference in 'Slippage'/grip when performing these tests within the perspex tube and thus adjust the ratio of rotation vs raising & lowering in height? ie a warm/hot squash ball vs cold??? 🤔😏 😎🇬🇧
@Eddygeek18
@Eddygeek18 8 ай бұрын
in terms of the motion amplification camera, i'd love to see ordinary everyday things that people might have at home using it, things like laptops, fans, printer, computer/tv speakers, faucet/tap, kitchen/bathroom pipes, washing machine, microwave, refrigerator, etc. Would be nice to know how much these types of things move over time, what parts may need replacing or something you think should move doesn't move at all
@NickMoore
@NickMoore 8 ай бұрын
If you ever need 2 high speed cameras you can always use a mirror ;) saves me loads of money.
@XenoFireStar
@XenoFireStar 8 ай бұрын
I think it might be easier to explain as the ratio isn't 1:1 because the wall of the cylinder applies a torque on the ball. That torque has a different effect on the ratio based on the moment of inertia of the ball.
@Mythobeast
@Mythobeast 7 ай бұрын
I believe you can simplify this issue with a rubber ball bouncing in a rectangular tunnel. You bounce it off of the floor such that it hits a wall, then bounces off of the ceiling. The first two impacts will convert some of the momentum into spin. When it hits the ceiling, the spin induced by the impact with the floor will exceed the remaining forward momentum, driving the ball back to you. For extra credit, can you tell me why the ball won't hit the other wall?
@Drinq_Duq
@Drinq_Duq 8 ай бұрын
For the camera motion amplification, id suggest filming the processes of cnc or manual machinery. Theres alot of complications when it comes to cutting metal.
@maxximumb
@maxximumb 8 ай бұрын
Maybe do a collaboration with a machine shop and see how much the tooling or metal flexes during a milling operation.
@Drinq_Duq
@Drinq_Duq 8 ай бұрын
@@maxximumb Exactly what I was thinking! If the camera was developed for industrial applications in mind, it would be mesmerizing to see the subtle flexes and chatter!
@adamhammond8379
@adamhammond8379 8 ай бұрын
Motion amplification idea: Saxophone. I play bari sax, and I can feel the instrument vibrating differently as I change the notes, especially in the lower register. I assume there are nodes along the brass. I would love to see that!
@dunda563
@dunda563 8 ай бұрын
Oh of course, any instrument would be really cool to see!
@kjoslatrar677
@kjoslatrar677 8 ай бұрын
I think I have an intuitive way of understanding this. As you already mentioned, mathematicaly, this could go on forever if not for loss of energy through air friction, etc. Lets imagine we would try to introduce energy by moving the cylinder in a circular motion, just like we all did as kids :) As you might now from experience, if we move the cylinder really hard/fast, the ball will go very fast in(to) a path of the smallest possible circumference (perfect circle, instead of an oval) within the tube and move on this line until we stop moving the cylinder. As you said, gravity does not have an impact as we can turn the cylinder in any direction without the ball changing its path, given we manage to keep the perfekt rotational movement of the cylinder. This means that the ball is always being "pulled" on this line/path of least resistance. The harder we move the cylinder the harder the ball is pulled onto this line. So when you throw the ball into the cylinder, the ball immediatley starts being pulled towards this line by its centripital force. Looking at the thumbnail of this video, the ball at the lowest point at the path represents the moment when the ball is in fact on this line. However, as it still carries momentum from the acceleration towords this line it overshoots it with a certain excess of force now opposite to the initial direction. Therefore the ball moves beyond the line and doing so the centripital force now works against the current direction, which results in a gradual change of direction. At the midpoint/crossing of the overallpath the ball now has a new optimal line within the cylinder, opposite to the below one with the same distance to the crossing in the middle, as the movement direction of the ball is inverted. Now the same happens again just mirrored. After this the cycle repeats. If we would be able to move the cylinder in this circular way and therby apply just the perfect amount of energy, we could keep this going on forever. If we rotate to hard, the ball starts moving in a perfect circle. Too little and it drops. Even though I did not include any other phenomena which happen at the same time like the rotation around its axis, I hope this makes somewhat sense😅
@albratgaming2348
@albratgaming2348 8 ай бұрын
me at 1:50 - The analysis is of the cylinder. But its about the sphere interacting with the cylinder. Mapping the path in gravity along a flat (angled) surface is not giving the same contact points that a sphere inside a cylinder would give. (continues video) Though it seems to work horizontally.. It seems to exit earlier with the same thrown in angle.. so Gravity makes it stay in the cylinder longer.. Also thinking about it.. there could be a bit of mathematics between the Circumference of the ball and Tube... and the square root of 2/7 and 5/7 ... Also divide by 7 is interesting as 22/7 is close to pi.. (used to use 22/7 to give ball park measurements for things when doing quick circle maths...) The errors from pi could be losing contact with the inside and slipping / skipping the surface. Pretty sure this could be done in a computer model...
@AlphaPhoenixChannel
@AlphaPhoenixChannel 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I love how you depicted the mental progression towards a hand wavey model (and I totally buy the hand wavey model you came up with!) gotta send this to my mom who golfs a lot…
@danthewalsh
@danthewalsh 7 ай бұрын
To augment the hand-wavy model, you can consider how the axis of rotation will pivot as a result of the friction force from the wall. You can see animations and an explanation of this here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asuiZcWmrrSsdmQ.htmlsi=dPlL8yD0K1UL-7lI
@AtariDays80
@AtariDays80 8 ай бұрын
It'd be interesting to see this experiment done in space.
@blackseac
@blackseac 8 ай бұрын
Well as he showed that gravity isn’t a major factor, doing it in space won’t be that interesting…
@space.youtube
@space.youtube 8 ай бұрын
Yeah nah, I'm not down with that.
@elmeradams8781
@elmeradams8781 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to see
@shrub9677
@shrub9677 8 ай бұрын
if it has nothing to do with gravity then it wouldnt really be all that different in space
@mr22guy
@mr22guy 8 ай бұрын
Yes, with no air resistance and ideal coatings on the cylinder and ball, would be interesting. Steve, get a vacuum chamber!
@jesuizanmich
@jesuizanmich 8 ай бұрын
Your intuitive explanation was the first thing I thought of, and I also noticed that the answer is incomplete because we don't take into account the slight shift in the axis of rotation due to friction and inertia resisting the pull. However, when the tube was on its side, it did behave very similar to what I intuitively thought was happening for both hollow and solid balls. What if in a gravity-free environment the ratio is exactly 1, and it's gravity pulling it down, leveraging on the ball at the point it touches the wall (like a lever where the pivot is the point where it touches the wall and the force is applied somewhere at the centre of gravity)? Maybe on its side, the tube has less of an effect on the ball due to gravity because the wall is only perpendicular to the ground (in direction of gravity) at 2 points on the circle, and everything else is a slope.
@MrRyanroberson1
@MrRyanroberson1 8 ай бұрын
By 1:54 i had a theory: the initial 1/3 circle trip around the cylinder imparts a rotation on the ball, and the axis of rotation is something that doesn't tend to change. What's different about the flat version is that as the ball travels in the cylinder, its rotation relative to the point of contact is changing, which means the initial falling spin will kick the ball upwards when it reaches the opposite side of the wall
@ubaidullah-pj9mu
@ubaidullah-pj9mu 8 ай бұрын
it will be cool to observe the oscillations of grandstands at a football (UK term) match. Having a visual of the dynamic loading will be interesting to see
@RDITechnologies
@RDITechnologies 8 ай бұрын
Using Motion Amplification in a stadium is a great idea! So much movement to see!
@kinkyhippie179
@kinkyhippie179 8 ай бұрын
I feel like with a specifically marked ball and a fast enough camera you'd be able to plot the exact movement of the ball itself and extrapolate from that. Get Gav and Dan in here
@dc443
@dc443 7 ай бұрын
Couple things I want to mention --- i don't think the golf phenomenon is related to this. Golf balls are not high friction and golf holes are not long tubes, they are just short buckets. Golf balls go in too fast and bounce out due to contact with the bottom of the hole. For the intuition on this. So if the ball is frictionless it would travel down the tube in a helix. When there is high friction, the linear momentum of the ball constrained within the tube wants it to travel down in the helix, but as you describe at 7:30 in the limit of infinite moment of inertia and infinite friction, the ball would trace out an elliptical path. Consider the state of affairs leading into one quarter turn. At this region the angular momentum of the ball wants it to ride back up the tube already (elliptical trajectory). But the linear momentum of the ball is going down (helix movement). Thus we have a torque that friction against the inside of the tube would apply, a torque generated by friction pulling up. Basically like when the path is not aligned with the curvature of the tube, then running along the tube with friction is going to apply some torque that is perpendicular to the axis of the tube. In the example scene at 1/4 turn, this torque has an axis (right-hand) pointing in the same direction as the camera is pointing. Since the ball is spinning with the (right-hand) axis pointing down and toward the right, a.k.a the torque and the angular momentum axes are not aligned, this must generate torque induced gyroscopic precession... At this point my intuition breaks down somewhat as I'll need to get my hands on a gyroscope to think through if the direction of the precession makes sense at all... what little feel I have for gyroscopic precession tells me this makes it turn the ball's axis of rotation downward, which seems reasonable, because that is why the ball doesn't shoot back up immediately: it takes a little longer than one turn before popping back out. It's some kind of natural process that when your ball has some friction, the geometry of the tube applies gyroscopic forces that work out always to nudge the ball's angular momentum via precession to turn toward rolling in the same axis as the tube. It does feel pretty natural. There's no reason for it not to overshoot so it just oscillates. It would be nice if astronauts could bring mouse balls to the ISS to test this out. I think it is intuitive that there is this gyroscopic precession at play that nudges the axis of rotation of the ball in some way and it makes sense that the moment of inertia would determine the relative velocity of this precession, but you already covered how that in itself is intuitive.
@jacobnielsen1224
@jacobnielsen1224 7 ай бұрын
Hey! A billard-cue hitting the cueball looks awesome in slowmo. Also a pickup on an vinyl LP is pretty cool!
@embyrr922
@embyrr922 8 ай бұрын
I would love to see motion amplification of various musical instruments! It would be great to see how the body of a guitar moves as it amplifies the sound from a plucked string, or the bell of a trumpet.
@G1itcher
@G1itcher 8 ай бұрын
I would love to see the motion amplification pointed at some electronics or a PC's internals. Something we think of as being completely still when in operation. Would be amazing to see if there was some vibrations.
@serphorus
@serphorus 8 ай бұрын
You would only see motion in a few components, mainly Relays, Hard drives, and things that are designed to move. Everything else is just chemistry, electricity messing with the conductivity of silicon to move other electricity around (these are called Solid State components, because they are completely solid. There are exactly zero moving parts.). Hard drives have magnetic disks inside that spin really fast and store the data, relays are mechanical switches that click on or off based on electricity, and you know what a motor does. That doesn't mean that like the wind or the desk wouldn't be moving though.
@stefanl5183
@stefanl5183 8 ай бұрын
@@serphorus Ever hear of coil whine? How about transformers humming when under load? Listen to a microwave oven while it's running. That hum you will hear comes from the transformer that provides the high voltage to the magnetron. Sometimes things that aren't "designed to move" as you say, do in fact move a little bit.
@MrCook-if5wo
@MrCook-if5wo 8 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if this is a valid comparison, but the first thing that came to my mind was a car on a banked curve: if the car goes around the banked curved too quickly it moves outward (away from the center of the circle) and if too slowly it moves inward (towards the center of the circle). Since the ball is constricted by the cylinder's walls, the only way to go "away" is to go up the cylinder's wall and "towards" would be down the cylinder's wall. When the ball is first thrown into the cylinder, it's moving too quickly and even though it's thrown downward, it'll start to rise up due to the extra speed. As it does this, it will slow down causing it to move back down. I think this makes the bank angle of the track equivalent to the angle you throw the ball into cylinder (not sure though). This theory does not explain the sqrt(7/2) phenomenon (though it might if analyzed more mathematically incorporating the moment of inertia). There is a critical speed for the car on the banked hill problem that doesn't require any friction to complete the turn. If this theory is right, there should be an analogous situation for the ball in the cylinder: turn the cylinder horizontally and if you throw the ball at just the right speed for a given angle, it should show minimal to zero deviation horizontally and more or less stay inside the cylinder. I think.
@sk8pkl
@sk8pkl 7 ай бұрын
It seems to me that this phenomena could bring a new generation of particle accelerators. There should be a way to rectify the "downward part" of the oscillation and have the ball going only in 1 direction. Ex: the ball magnet could be spun 180° by switching the polarity of the cylinders wall with electro magnets at the right time. Or Have a cylinder with split magnetic polarity on its lenght, and throw a bismuth ball into it, or an aluminium/copper/gold maybe lol. I dont know. Very interresting videi! Thanks for sharing. I didnt know bout that at all!
@elmadouf
@elmadouf 8 ай бұрын
Hi Steve ! IDEA I would love to see : motion amplification of the modes of vibration of a guitar top, a little bit like Chladni patterns. And then try other kinds of instruments to see how they behave differently.
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 8 ай бұрын
Sound boards and drum skins would be cool. Especially in reference to the notes being played.
@stefanfyhn4668
@stefanfyhn4668 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking looking at what happens at the nut and bridge/saddles perhaps on electric guitars and see what the vibrational relations between the body and strings is.
@chrizzie1
@chrizzie1 8 ай бұрын
On the matter of viewing the setup from two different angles simultaneously, you could probably pull this off using mirrors to reflect the two perspectives into the field-of-view of a single high speed camera. I haven't taken the time to figure out the specifics (something like the mirror arrangement used by Newtonian telescopes perhaps? Maybe incorporating a second arrangement of mirrors like a periscope to first shift the light's path to the side so that you needn't reflect through the cylinder itself?), but it ought to be possible.
@alexclark1394
@alexclark1394 8 ай бұрын
For the camera, have you thought of applying it to acoustics? I’ve seen some high school math projects about wavelength acoustics in pvc pipes at different sizes and widths. Would you be able to use the camera to show the differences in how the pipes vibrate at different notes and octaves?
@bobaird6440
@bobaird6440 7 ай бұрын
You could record the top view and the side view with one camera if you place a mirror at an angle above the tube opening. That way the camera would see the side view directly and the reflection of the top view through the mirror within the same frame. No need for two cameras or to sync up two video files in post. (Referencing min 2:51where you wish you had two cameras to film.)
@Space_Moth
@Space_Moth 8 ай бұрын
That motion amplification camera is so cool, never thought of one being a thing, but sounds super useful! I would be curious to see the affects of sound waves (Or different frequencies) has on objects. Maybe to demonstate a resonant frequency?
@Parkerdeal
@Parkerdeal 8 ай бұрын
That's a super neat idea! Would be very interested in that, myself.
@smilerbob
@smilerbob 8 ай бұрын
So I can blame science for my terrible golf scores and not the fact I am terrible at golf 👍
@OtherTheDave
@OtherTheDave 8 ай бұрын
That's my takeaway, too
@ishkanark6725
@ishkanark6725 8 ай бұрын
Blame the ball
@hidsgi-games5369
@hidsgi-games5369 8 ай бұрын
It's a scientifically proven fact that golfballs are naturally repelled by small holes and attracted to places with a sandy floor, such as those found in bunkers and ponds.
@itismethatguy
@itismethatguy 8 ай бұрын
Who even plays golf
@lucasbiaggini
@lucasbiaggini 8 ай бұрын
For the motion amplification, a really good use would be cardiac physiology. Highlight things like the subtle motion of the cardiac apex under the chest wall or even better, the dreaded waves of the carotid pulse.
@robtilley8922
@robtilley8922 7 ай бұрын
Another fantastic idea. As a retired physician I could see both general interest and a potential clinical application!
@InservioLetum
@InservioLetum 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for labelling the mold, I would never have guessed you were cast out of something that shape.
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