The Gospel Coalition’s Scandalous Sex Article

The Gospel Coalition’s Scandalous Sex Article | Ep 766

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Today we're talking about an article published by the Gospel Coalition that has made waves in the conservative and evangelical communities. The article in question is in fact an excerpt from Josh Butler's forthcoming book, "Beautiful Union," and argues that sex and the roles of husband and wife within the act of sex point to salvation and show the relationship between Christ and the church. We discuss the backlash from popular Christian leaders and others who have deemed the article "too erotic" and "misogynistic." Ultimately, the Gospel Coalition took the article down, caving to the criticism. We also look at the theological arguments that back Butler's claims, regardless of how he may have worded the excerpt. Then, Canadian Pastor Derek Reimer was arrested last week after he protested a family drag event (and was consequently physically thrown out). He has been charged with "mischief" and "causing a disturbance." Tucker Carlson responded to this, asking (very rightly so) where the Christian leaders are to speak out about this? Where are David French and Beth Moore? Turns out Beth Moore is busy speaking to Baylor students about white privilege. We take a look at the kind of rhetoric she is prioritizing.
#news #politics #christianity
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Timecodes:
(00:00) Intro
(06:23) The Gospel Coalition sex article
(11:50) Josh Butler resigns & reactions to article
(20:32) Drag queen events & parents
(26:33) Canadian pastor arrested for protesting drag event
(34:10) Tucker Carlson's response & Christian leaders
(38:17) Isabel Vaughn Spruce arrested again for praying outside abortion clinic
(43:40) Where in the world is Beth Moore?
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Links:
The Gospel Coalition: "Sex Won’t Save You (But It Points to the One Who Will)" web.archive.org/web/202303011...
American Reformer: "The Gospel Cancelation" americanreformer.org/2023/03/...
Denny Burk: "Taking a Dog by the Ears" www.dennyburk.com/taking-a-do...
RebelNews: "LIVE UPDATES: Pastor Reimer to remain in jail until at least March 14" www.rebelnews.com/live_update...
The Washington Times: "British pro-life advocate again arrested for ‘thoughtcrime’ of silent prayer near abortion clinic" www.washingtontimes.com/news/...
Baptist Standard: "Beth Moore: Does God value justice? Read the Bible" www.baptiststandard.com/news/...
Waco Tribune-Herald: "Beth Moore, Jemar Tisby highlight Truett conference on racism" wacotrib.com/news/local/educa...
Baptist News Global: "Fear lies at the core of racism in the church and society, Beth Moore tells Truett audience" baptistnews.com/article/fear-...
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The Gospel Coalition’s Scandalous Sex Article | Ep 766

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@shannonhaworth2098 Жыл бұрын

I was kicked out of a Facebook parent group for saying it was wrong for children to watch drag shows. People went psychotic

@carolyncox7694 Жыл бұрын

Unbelievable!!

@laurakatebaker4925 Жыл бұрын

That is a parent group you do not want to be a part of.

@Kwildcat13 Жыл бұрын

Wow what kind of parents would think it was ok ..

@beckijameson3844 Жыл бұрын

That's not a good group. You are better off without them.

@josevelarde4525 Жыл бұрын

Once upon a time, parents would have gotten in trouble with CPS for exposing their children to drag queen behavior. Sin truly corrupts the mind (Romans 1).

@kristyleavitt8007 Жыл бұрын

When I saw last week that Pastor Derek Reimer was arrested in my city, I could hardly believe it! It’s frustrating and infuriating to hear of this kind of thing happening in other cities or other countries, but now it feels personal. I proceeded to write a letter to Calgary Public Library and to my mayor. Thanks for shining a light on this, Allie! ❤

@Janetsfaithtable Жыл бұрын

That’s right and everyone should boycott that library as well!!

@lebogangsehume4135 Жыл бұрын

God bless this man who loves you and people enough to declair your word and not bend, abundantly.

@janelleg597 Жыл бұрын

I would highly encourage you to not stop at letters. Do something

@racheljane_ Жыл бұрын

My city as well! Hello 👋🏻

@kristyleavitt8007 Жыл бұрын

@@racheljane_ hi Rachel Jane! 👋🏼

@rebekahguilder602 Жыл бұрын

I have always thought that sex between a husband and wife is spiritual. My mother actually taught me that.

@iw9338 Жыл бұрын

Keller went off the rails years ago. Thanks Allie for bringing this to light

@prayersponytails6227 Жыл бұрын

The pastors at our church locations just went through the book of Song of Solomon in an awesome way, something our church has never heard from our pulpits. They apologized not for the descriptive content, but for not teaching on Biblical sex sooner. If anyone would like the links, I’d be happy to share!

@emilybonow3054 Жыл бұрын

That is so true, I would like to listen to the sermon, God bless you according to His will! 😊

@cedriceric9730 Жыл бұрын

Amen

@cristidormiendo5743 Жыл бұрын

Please share where the teachings can be found.

@cassandraschaeffer1078 Жыл бұрын

I'm from Canada, and my city had its first "family-friendly drag brunch" last week. Thanks for covering this, Allie. It's horrifying and I pray Christians (or even just sane people) in my community have the courage to take a stand against this.

@sseltrek1a2b Жыл бұрын

regarding the 1st story- when is the Church in America going to stop capitulating to the pressure of the culture?...i don't know how i feel about Josh's take on sex, but the fact that the powers that be allowed themselves to be pressured into firing him because of people in the culture who have zero interest in Biblical principle is unspeakable...

@annamineer2521 Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for showing that you were not just gifted with the ability to make people laugh, but the ability to reach folks with even more important and serious discussion. I have always been ProLife. Even more so since I got pregnant at 16 and had my first Son. PS, I am not a Feminist but I am definitely a Woman. A Christian Woman who tries to live My Life according to the Bible. I admit I have not always lived that way, but since My husband and I started studying the Bible together 29 years ago I have tried. Of course, We are ALL sinners, saved by Grace and the Blood of Jesus Christ.

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

@@DrHrishikeshApte And in the US also, along with Antifa and Black Lives Matter. And much of Black Lives Matter are Rich, white Liberals. Nothing new under the 🌞☀️.

@rachaelhey-kt8rl Жыл бұрын

The fact that so many people are weirded out by sex pointing to Christ makes me wonder how far we have come from a biblical view of marriage and intimacy. 😔

@dougjensen8838 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. God created it. God blessed it. People should read Song if Solomon. Kathy Jensen

@Veretax Жыл бұрын

I don't truly believe that it does. Add any attempt to do so is to make it itself into an idol if you ask me. There is nothing necessarily all that sacrificial about sex for a man. As long as the body can produce the seed it is not like anything it's really lost. Now the other author she talked about suggesting as a Sacrament well the Catholics treat marriage that way. I think people are confusing the Dynamics between a husband and a wife with the attitude of the church towards Christ. To distill it to this picture grossly under represents the gospel frankly

@thadtheman3751 Жыл бұрын

Sex doesnt' point to Christ. It points to YHWH predating Christs intervention in mankind.

@cedriceric9730 Жыл бұрын

This is another area that God has been kicked out of but we shall take it back just like we are taking back finances

@brandiehopkins3538 Жыл бұрын

My husband said "damn muslims get time off to pray.." 😂 I said yep... every other religion is ok but Biblical Christianity!!

@CaedmonMChang Жыл бұрын

Great show. Worthy message, thank you for being a voice of biblical truth.

@Alan112573 Жыл бұрын

I kinda am that prudish. It's gross to use sex as a symbol for salvation. Not a fan. I don't think he needed to resign over it though

@janelleg597 Жыл бұрын

The Church is called the Bride. Christ the husband. What do you think the apostles were referring to if not complete and total intimacy?

@Alan112573 Жыл бұрын

@@janelleg597 honestly I don't think they were thinking of the sexual act itself

@eurekahope5310 Жыл бұрын

@@janelleg597 Partnership, submission, sacrifice. If God meant the act, He would have said it ...

@aaronlevitt6820 Жыл бұрын

Re drag queen story hour parents, I'm not a parent, and I've never felt I had everything it takes to make a great parent, but clearly many actual parents don't have everything it takes either, to put it mildly. We need to all pray that these parents stop giving their kids' minds over to Satan.

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

AMEN to THAT

@EpicShotz2 Жыл бұрын

You have what it takes for sure.

@danielholiphant Жыл бұрын

There is a reason God clothes these truths in the language of poetry. Not everything needs to be fleshed out and made explicit.

@cedriceric9730 Жыл бұрын

God is perfect

@Silly475 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Allie! Thank you for being bold and courageous to speak so truthfully! I was so convicted to establish one day a week that I fast and pray for my family, the church, the next generation, people speaking out on truth and so much more. I can’t thank you enough for mentioning all the individuals to pray for that are standing up against evil!! I love that World Watch News presents the news and states at the end -No Matter News the Purpose of the Lord Stands!

@MommaJ358 Жыл бұрын

I confess that I have not fully listened to this video yet, (and just going off by what people are commenting about), but my passage of reading today was Ephesians 5. It speaks of husbands/wives and verse 30-31 specifically says, “…for we are members of His body. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be United with his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” I don’t see this in a sexual way. I see this as a metaphor as becoming united; working together; the mixing of blood to become a part of the other; a deep intimacy that only two people should know each other, more than anyone else in the world. Not sexual.

@A_Pie323 Жыл бұрын

I also just saw a news story of a 17 year old young man in Canada being arrested twice for standing up for his religious beliefs and wanting to protect real women in his CATHOLIC school, bc they were allowing boys in the girls bathroom.

@brandiehopkins3538 Жыл бұрын

You have to remember Catholicism is not true Christianity it is a cult it is the biggest cult in the biggest way that Satan is grabbing bodies for him and hell. Not to say that there aren't any Catholics that are true Christians but as a whole it is a cult not Christianity!

@beckijameson3844 Жыл бұрын

I saw that same story. I have the utmost respect, not only for that young man (his name is Josh), but for the parents who have raised him.

@cedriceric9730 Жыл бұрын

Man it is really bad in the western world , if I hear of that no matter where I am I would immediately pull children OUT of the education system and home school them to bits So that's what happens to a society which doesn't stone so called " homos " to death

@MrLeadman12 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for talking about the Butler article. My thoughts exactly!

@aNewCadence Жыл бұрын

I wonder what would happen if an American prayed silently outside that Birmingham abortion clinic? It would be very embarrassing for England if they arrested an American for praying silently on a public sidewalk. But if they didn’t then they would be treating their own citizens worse than a foreigner…might make the whole thing take on a new perspective. Just thinking out loud about how irrational the whole thing is.

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

Along with so many other things that are happening All over the World. Dividing human beings in every demographic imaginable, to be able to take Total Control of them. I would have never imagined five years ago where we would be right now. I guess I was looking at the World through Rose Colored Glasses. The EVIL that these S.O.B'S are capable of is immense. Can't say we haven't been warned. Ancient Prophecies of the Bible have spelled it out spot on. Frighteningly so, I must admit from the human in me, but Spiritually it is Well with My Soul. 🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯

@annamineer2521 Жыл бұрын

GB is filled with illegal immigrants that are being prioritized over citizens too. Just like in the US.

@angelaturner4105 Жыл бұрын

Thank You! Everything you said about the Butler article and also this is not talked about enough. How beautiful God's design for sex within marraige is. And this is why you have young people so confused about sexual matters because anytime someone speaks on this subject they are shut down. If we are not discussing this with our young people they will go elsewhere for this information and get a distorted worldly view instead.

@GuidoDeBres-kg2bx Жыл бұрын

TGC, what a joke.

@martha6542 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Allie

@prudentpenny Жыл бұрын

Allie your commentary is the best. Praying for you and your family, its dangerous to be handing out truths the way you do!

@carolberubee Жыл бұрын

Allie, when the Bible says that "he went in to her," it's not talking about the details of the sex act. What it means is that he went into her tent or room. It's a polite way to signal sexual intercourse, but it doesn't mean what you think it means. And, nowhere does the Bible infer any kind of sexual union between Christ and the Church. Marriage is more than sex. It is unconditional love, fidelity, and everlasting union inherent in the relationship between Christ and His Church that is explained in Scripture. The fact that there is no sexual union in Heaven should tell us that God's view of marriage is far greater than our earthly/physical view. Further, in Romans 6:5, the word for "united" has to do with being grafted in. In contrast, the idea of eros love between Christ and the Church is most often seen within Catholic mysticism from the medieval period, and today is sometimes seen in Charismatic circles or among heretics such as Anne Voskamp.

@GratiaPrima_ Жыл бұрын

The Bible DOES say, “this is my body, given up for you”. Which is how Christ loved His bride.

@carolberubee Жыл бұрын

@@GratiaPrima_ What does the death of Christ have to do with sex?

@GratiaPrima_ Жыл бұрын

@@carolberubee I didn’t say it had to do with sex exactly. I mean that “this is my body given up for you” is highest love and intimacy. Which proper, biblical in-it’s-place sex is a picture of.

@carolberubee Жыл бұрын

@@GratiaPrima_ But Jesus said the greatest love is to die for friends (John 15:13), which, again, has no reference to sex whatsoever.

@GratiaPrima_ Жыл бұрын

@@carolberubee sure, that’s referring to sacrificial, “agape” love. Yes. Again, healthy sexual relationships within marriage (which should be self giving, not taking) are a picture of that. Not the thing itself, but a picture.

@jimd8008 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for always sharing the truth

@ashleylewis2783 Жыл бұрын

Tim Mackie from the Bible project has some similar teachings on sex and I believe Elizabeth Elliot would agree. Sex is highly spiritual. It is renewing of the sacred covenant. It is caring and loving one another. Much deeper than just lust. Women’s bodies were made to receive. Mens to pursue. Look at the anatomy!

@stephanieh-s2561 Жыл бұрын

Your expression in your video thumbnail is PRICELESS ❤️🎉👏😂

@ritapacheco8084 Жыл бұрын

Agreed on the interpretation of this man’s article on sex! I have OFTEN thought “after” that there “is no better feeling “. But that’s because I haven’t been to heaven yet. (I’m hesitant to share that because it’s super personal of course) which is just my point. These are things that maybe don’t need to be shared with the general public… We don’t have all the answers and these thoughts and opinions shouldn’t be thrown out as “biblical”… that said,I think the TGC should have stood behind their member and not bowed down to people who are uncomfortable hearing this “out of the box but certainly not UNbiblical” thought. In other words I think he’s on to something (but I don’t think it’s going to take up a lot of my thoughts)

@reetayoung Жыл бұрын

I first discovered you when you had Jinger Duggar Vuolo on. I didn't know about you before, but I really like you and agree with you. Now I'm watching current and past podcasts.

@cynthiahunter2570 Жыл бұрын

She was not even in front of the clinic, she was down the street.

@AugustLeavesOffering Жыл бұрын

Sex & The Cross ??? ... Allie thank you, great Episode & thought's ... I initially thought it's weird, unfamiliar, uneasy Theology twisted into another new age way of lessoning the Gospel downwards to worldly views. And yet, stepping back from an almost Christian offended stance; it made a whole lot of sense thinking about it & exploring what others have said about it, made it so much clearer. The more we Christians think & study this 'hush-hush' way of describing & comparing a blissful sacrificial union between a husband and wife & Christ and His Church, the more we realize this is actually so beautiful in so many way's how God for one made us part of the creation process & for another the depth of Christ's love through his sacrificial death. God as we know views marriage, divorce, adultery and all sexual nature and sinning therefrom in a very serious light & the way satan cheapened the holy communion between husband & wife, with common sexual worldly human acts aims to detract & distract from that. Josh Butler is but one whom is speaking openly about this subject & It's beyond me why TGC would act this way? The true depth there exist in the giving & receiving of each other in marriage & why exactly it is valued so highly by God that it must only occur in a dedicated, loving, all-encompassing forever lasting relationship one actually will die for IS i.e What Christ did for us! Ephesians 5:24-25 +32 [24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [32] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. See here some great articles on this subject: # John Piper ... www.desiringgod.org/interviews/why-sexual-metaphors-of-jesus-and-his-bride-embarrass-us Exerpt ... " Marriage - including sexual intimacy - portrays Jesus’s relationship with the church". # www.todayschristianwoman.com/articles/2008/september/5.34.html?paging=off Spiritually meaningful sex .... How Sex Points Us to God - Believe it or not, making love with your spouse is a spiritual-as well as a physical-exercise.... By Gary Thomas .... Exerpt ... " To appreciate how sex points us to God, it may help to understand how the ancient Jews viewed sex. The Holy Letter (written by Nahmanides in the thirteenth century) sees sex as a mystical experience of meeting with God: "Through the act [of intercourse] they become partners with God in the act of creation. This is the mystery of what the sages said, 'When a man unites with his wife in holiness, the Shekinah is between them in the mystery of man and woman.'" The breadth of this statement is sobering when you consider that this shekinah glory is the same presence Moses experienced when God met with him face-to-face (Exodus 24:15-18)".

@paulblackburn5356 Жыл бұрын

It's a part of being made in the image of God. All creation declares God's glory. We bear his image. Genesis 1 describes us being created in the image of God male and female. That means that our physical existence is a visible picture of what the invisible God is like. There is profound meaning in the way God created us. Sex is a picture of salvation. It is also a picture of the unity in the Trinity.

@Weissguys6 Жыл бұрын

Is there a progressive out there that CAN explain how a biological male can be a lesbian? I’m old and very confused.

@DavideonJ Жыл бұрын

Great content God bless you all.💯🖤🖤

@jpeffer1131 Жыл бұрын

Do you really think when Paul refers to Christ and his bride the church he is at all thinking about sex. Unbelievable!

@H1ana2digital Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@conceptualclarity Жыл бұрын

Thank you Allie for your stance on Josh Butler. He was not canceled because of prudish evangelicals but because of feminists who hate sexual intercourse. The very things about it that normal heterosexual women find arousing are the things that the feminists detest.

@robertboebinger7719 Жыл бұрын

Pray for Pastor Derek 🙌

@TheRealQuartKnee Жыл бұрын

Pray for Josh Butler. That’s gotta suck having to resign. He is working towards encouraging biblical intimacy, and had no support from either the left or right. One side was too self righteous, the other was too prude. 🤦‍♀️ epic fail for both parties.

@DavidMccallister65 Жыл бұрын

Allie please clip and share your segment on the Canadian pastor!

@rebekahmiller4143 Жыл бұрын

A friend shared that article this week. I just thought it was cringy and poorly presented. A bit weird.

@heidicook2739 Жыл бұрын

It was just creepy.

@lauren8407 Жыл бұрын

That article was creepy and gross. The fact that article was published I think is indicative of deep issues. It’s just weird.. something is wrong. Who thought that was a good idea?

@dioltlw3144 Жыл бұрын

Yess...a lot of people seem to agree with the article but i just don't find it to be biblical. The bible compares MARRIAGE to the relationship between Christ and the church not sex!

@AudreyDarling Жыл бұрын

I would highly recommend the book Rethinking Sexuality by Dr. Juli Slattery to look further into this topic. It really gives a lot to think about regarding God’s purposes and design for sex within marriage, and from someone who is definitely not leaning progressive.

@AudreyDarling Жыл бұрын

Is it creepy, gross, and weird to think that God intentionally created the act of sex to reflect the gospel? He writes spiritual truths into physics realities all the time. Daily bread, living water, the covenant between a husband and wife, and also, very specifically, the mystery of the two becoming one which Paul says literally is the metaphor for God and his people, and then how it also creates more life. Maybe you don’t love the words he chose because it makes you blush, but God was the one who designed it that way. I would love to hear more about why you don’t think this is accurately interpreting these concepts

@lauren8407 Жыл бұрын

@@AudreyDarling I agree with you about the illustrations in scripture. The ones he gives are not in scripture. He words don’t make me blush as I’m married with four kiddies. I grew up in a cult and was around weird people and this just gives me the same bad feeling. It’s the way he talks about it graphically. Song of Solomon doesn’t speak that way. It’s beautiful and I think his borders crass.

@H1ana2digital Жыл бұрын

@@lauren8407 Amen! Its good to see other believers calling this out! I feel concern and see a red flag when Christians are calling other Christians 'prudish'! Very alarming!

@lindasteinbrenner8065 Жыл бұрын

An observation I have made looking at the adult attendees at these drag events is that they appear to be mainly white middle class women. I rarely see Hispanic or black women and hardly any men. Food for thought.

@eurekahope5310 Жыл бұрын

Maybe they can virtue signal by becoming an ally, removing the guilt of their privilege.

@conceptualclarity Жыл бұрын

I have heard that whenever there's a situation where it is being said that a kid needs to "transition", there's always a liberal mother behind it.

@thadtheman3751 Жыл бұрын

I think Hispanics will be the salvation of Christianity, most being conservative Catholics.

@lindasteinbrenner8065 Жыл бұрын

@@thadtheman3751 You might be right. I have some friends who are both Hispanic and Catholic and they are very Conservative and devout. My go to for not only great recipes but questions regarding Catholic beliefs. I am LCMS and they always say; “Come home.” 😂

@thecove4770 Жыл бұрын

Although I know we live in a curious age where we thing has to be bare on the table, I believe we should keep some things under wraps. I would be no more explicit in speaking of sex than the Bible is. Going “in unto her” is enough. There is no need to become more detailed in any context. Christians do well to keep bedroom literals or allegories private.

@ellenbertran1493 Жыл бұрын

...song of solomon gets pretty graphic

@thecove4770 Жыл бұрын

@@ellenbertran1493 Not if you’re reading it in a non-sexual manner. The most graphic part is speaking of her breasts, but that manner is also spoken of in Proverbs, Job, and prophets, but all of these are pictures, types, and not literally.

@H1ana2digital Жыл бұрын

@@thecove4770 Amen, well said!

@donnapowers920 Жыл бұрын

Allie, You young lady, encourage me and I thank the Lord for your speaking truth! Seems like Christians are talking about everything but the serious abuse of children which is happening right in front of our eyes . To pray publicly or to call out wickedness( which is being pushed on children) now is an offense ? This ... causes me to hang my head in shame. Donna

@robertboebinger7719 Жыл бұрын

Arrest the parents of those kids for taking them to queer hour 👿🤡

@abeautifulmoment2714 Жыл бұрын

I mean, I read the article and I get where the feminists are coming from. I am not a feminist, but the article did focus on male pleasure and ignored female pleasure, which is obviously ignoring half the part of *good* sex. Women playing a passive role in sex is not God's design, it's for them too - they have a pleasure center too, and it often gets ignored. Also, Jonathan Pokluda said something pretty objectifying and gross a month or two ago about a woman (not his wife). I like him, but that wasn't OK. Again, I am a complementarian but I am not blind to the idea that they do have a point here.

@sarawillett7431 Жыл бұрын

It’s so interesting cause there’s muslims that prey publicly in the park in the UK, which you’re not allowed to do, but the cops are too afraid to do anything about it. But this girl is silently standing there & she gets arrested. It’s just hypocrisy & the cops are so weak. If you’re going to leave it for one group you have to leave it for both.

@Lukebarca Жыл бұрын

Christian's with a platform and pastors need to talk about Christians being persecuted by the government in Western countries.

@dougjensen8838 Жыл бұрын

Love your perspective. Thank you for truth telling. Thank you for your Biblical world view. Keep up the good work! Let your light shine like crazy in this dark world! I have felt sex is spiritual as well, either way- it can be spiritually evil- but as a Christian with Adonai’s Word as truth- I believe it is definitely spiritual in my relationship with my husband and God’s design. Kathy Jensen

@alyssagraham202 Жыл бұрын

Your point is exactly right on the loving your neighbor thing. They take a verse out of the Bible and try to use it for things that are unethical.

@sarahcomeau7234 Жыл бұрын

Also want to say thank you for speaking truth about what is going on in the world. I'm from Canada so I'm glad you are speaking truth about what is happening here and other places. Also my concern about hugely for the children and I see what is going as grooming which I know all too well and most people who been abused also see the truth about what is happening. I agree should be illigal crazy stuff going on here big time.

@kimhuitt5341 Жыл бұрын

I’m white/Asian. Let me just say everyone looks favorable on certain races and down on others. We are all racist to some extent. But I will also say I voted for Trump and will again if he runs. I like my white friends, Asian friends, black friends, Hispanic friends, etc. But they all say things that are racist. It’s being human. You have favorites. Let’s get over it and start appreciating people for their character.

@Remy4489 Жыл бұрын

We are all sinful to some extent (as we can presuppose this from Scripture and unfortunately from our own behavior and thoughts) definitely, but not everybody is necessarily "racist"(assuming otherwise, simply presumes to be able to "read others thoughts" or believes in junk "science" which asserts "implicit bias").

@dpastor6631 Жыл бұрын

From the Bible I would argue that there is only one human race, but there are various ethnicities, ethnicities that actually come from the same human parents and ethnicities that are biologically mixed together to one degree or another. So, there is one race, the human race. I think a better term "ethnically bigotted". However, I do disagree that all people share this same problem. Some do, definitely. Many might in some circumstances. However, I don't believe that the sin of ethnic bigotry is a sin we all share. There are a variety of sins in the world, and we are all sins. The sins we share are sins like unbelief and pride, etc., but in regard to other particular sins, not all people will share the same sins. Not everyone is a homosexual, for example. Not everyone is racist. Some are, many may be, but all. I do agree we should treat people as individuals based upon their character.

@Ottorockz Жыл бұрын

Also merit...

@alyssagraham202 Жыл бұрын

Actually no. We are not all racist.

@prudentpenny Жыл бұрын

I think she meant that we are all racist because we all say things that can be taken that way... racism as the culture defines it, is that if you say something that can be taken as racist then you are in fact a racist... in actuality racism is assigning intent.. I don't think she was actually saying everyone is a racist per say.

@mattjohnson5489 Жыл бұрын

My pastor just had the service outside in the parking lot.

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

WHY?? Don't you have a building or is it to spread the Gospel to the public. Don't get me wrong, there's no wrong answer. Just wondering why you commented that. ❤️

@GratiaPrima_ Жыл бұрын

@@breathless8075 I think he means for Covid protocols. Allie mentioned pastors in Canada getting arrested for opening their churches for worship.

@breathless8075 Жыл бұрын

@@GratiaPrima_ Still???? I had no idea that any Churches were still closed for Services. Unbelievable but I am afraid that the persecution for Christians and other religions are going to get much worse.

@aaronlevitt6820 Жыл бұрын

The PASTOR'S the one bringing the mischief to the library?? Okay. Okay. (They charged him with "mischief". The charge should have been "morals".)

@saraz9017 Жыл бұрын

Seriously what in the world

@mbberry135 Жыл бұрын

Dear A.B.S.; 1st I really did enjoy the shout out to the Catholic and Orthodox churches. 2nd I am interested in how his book compares to John Paul II's Theology of the Body. 3rd I believe this controversy exposes a weakness in Protestant churches that have rejected the Sacraments, especially Marriage. Both the Orthodox and Catholics claim Marriage is a Sacrament. 4th the points the Author made sounded fine to my Catholic ears, even though they sounded like puns (high-educational, esoteric, sex puns), but not like outright heresy. Sincerely in Xto (Christo) A Ghetto Conservative Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.

@rkam2018 Жыл бұрын

YES! Came here to point people to Theology of the Body!! The Gospel Coalition is 40+ years behind on this subject.

@mbberry135 Жыл бұрын

@@rkam2018 We (Catholics) had such an advantage and gift that JP2 was not only a great theologian, but such a great poet too.

@ratman1101 Жыл бұрын

It's not graphic, but I think it's a stretch to turn sex into theology. It's blessed by God. It's a special part of marriage, but not sure it's a representation of the union between Christ and his bride. It's also indicative of the Left to see everything in racial or patriarchal terms. They also stretch normal conversation into weird shapes to fit their broken view of the world.

@carolberubee Жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Church and Christ is likened to marriage, but not in a sexual way. Ephesians 5 says the likeness between Adam and Eve, and Christ and the Church is "bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh," not sexual union. Eve was taken from Adam's side; that's the comparison.

@prudentpenny Жыл бұрын

I do think somehow some way sex is theological because it's a gift from God, created and mandated by God within to correct union, and repercussions from not conducting it according to scripture has a greater impact on the soul/being than most other sins... I think the natural act of sex leans into/supports the level of intimacy and represents the type of vulnerability and trust we should have in Christ... I think it only represents union in christ being that you don't have unions with everyone else the same way you do with christ... except you commit this act with your wife in a marriage, the marriage being the ultimate representation of Father God, Son of God, and Holy Spirit. Random thought that could counter my whole summary is that Christ was not brought into the world through sex... or was he? IDK but it was a random thought

@carolberubee Жыл бұрын

@@prudentpenny Your random thought is correct. Mary was a virgin. And this point is absolutely essential to Christianity. Christ did not inherit the Adamic sin nature because Joseph was not His father.

@PilgrimStanding Жыл бұрын

Really? Then how do so many theologians turn Song of Songs into a type of Christ's love of his people....? I'm not saying they're right or not, but come on. An entire book of the Bible is dedicated to a couples relationship, imbued with sexual references....gotta be some theology in there somewere....or nah?

@ratman1101 Жыл бұрын

@@PilgrimStanding it is full of sexual references. Maybe it's an instruction manual for marriage relationships, but not theological?

@kateharrison5136 Жыл бұрын

Your right Allie, I didn't see anything to crazy about that article TGC put out either. My issue with TGC is that they cator to the left. If it had been only conservatives complaining they would never have put out an apology. They would never retract any article that makes white conservative evangelicals look bad.

@sarahcomeau7234 Жыл бұрын

There also is the issue of people who have been sexually abused,rp I know for me with Cptsd severely abused that way from a wee child up it was very triggering. I read alot from other survivors sexually abused in the church as well that was really triggered by it . I'm not saying if the article is right or wrong I'm seeing it through different lens than someone who hasn't been tortured sexually. Probably a trigger warning is a good idea for those who been traumatized. Some abusers use scripture even to abuse and call it Holy and so on . People who are not traumatized can no doubt read it with a view that you can see it . I just wanted to share that because I'm part of groups that are trauma survivors so I them are seeing things differently which obviously makes sense. Just wanted to share a different perspective for some of us on this healing journey.. I again want to clarify I'm not saying what you are saying is wrong but you can see it either through healing or not been through such horrendous things ❤. Example I have 16 of those abusers growing up plus much more trauma on top . So emotional and physical and visual flashbacks are a real thing . Thankfully God is gentle understanding and has compassion for me walking through this and it's a miracle I'm alive. I definitely suffered spiritual abuse all with it all . Anyways just sharing a different perspective of why some of us are triggered which is emotional flashbacks.

@fayettewaligorski8132 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@northdakotaful Жыл бұрын

Please sharpen the picture, seems slightly blurry. Maybe just me. Thank you😊

@josevelarde4525 Жыл бұрын

Not a fan of TGC in the least, but an article wanting to show the spiritual side of sex is good. I see sex as a symbol of the Gospel. First of all, does Creation not declare the glory of God. The Word of God is seen as a seed; so is sperm. James talks about the "implanted Word," and implantation happen days after sperm and egg meet. The result is new life, "the fruit of the womb." We are to bear spiritual fruit. Makes perfect sense to me. Sex is holy; it was created to glorify God. We would do well to see sex as a form of worship. Nothing perverted about sex itself. Satan perverts it by tempting people to engage in it outside of heterosexual marriage.

@melindamercier6811 Жыл бұрын

He perverts society’s thinking about it in general. These days, it’s rare to find even Christians who see sex as a beautiful, spiritual, and edifying experience because of how the world has portrayed it.

@josevelarde4525 Жыл бұрын

@@melindamercier6811 And that is why we must repent of our own misconceptions and fight back against the lies. Churches should be teaching parents the right way to think about sex so that parents can instruct their children accordingly. Keep in mind that the sexually promiscuous world says, "It's just sex," and actually has a jaded view of it (but generally still want to do it for selfish reasons). Just think if we focused on sex being the giving of oneself to another, a reflection of one's commitment towards the other, rather than on taking something from another for one's personal enjoyment.

@aNewCadence Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@williamwhite1596 Жыл бұрын

All should stick with God's Word The Bible and KJV isn't being manipulated every so often . It's best version . I couldn't care less about a Christians book . I have The Books in The Holy Bible !!! Those pushing filth of any kind will wish they hadn't when they stand before God !!! Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV Bible ... Leviticus 20:13 ... Brings Luke 17:2 KJV down on their heads !!!

@melindamercier6811 Жыл бұрын

KJV is a great translation, but didn’t even have the oldest most reliable manuscripts available to it. The Greek Septuagint (on which the KJV is translated) has proven to not necessarily be the most accurate as it appears to have passages added much later than older Hebrew manuscripts. Old and New Testament Christian Biblical scholars are for the majority in agreement with this. KJV was the best of it’s kind for its time, but after earlier manuscripts (and most particularly the dead sea scrolls) were found, there have been more reliable literal translations made. That’s just the truth of it.

@williamwhite1596 Жыл бұрын

@@melindamercier6811 Yes on that ... But the KJV along with The Original Strong's Exhaustive Bible Concordance gives you every word back to original manuscripts in original languages with meanings . Like Thou shalt not kill is really murder not kill . I'm more worried about people trying to change God's Word in so called new Bible translations . Anyway God Bless you for caring as I do also . Many follow men not God .

@cynthiahunter2570 Жыл бұрын

Allie, he is Anglican. Anglican churches are like any other denomination, some are more liberal, some are more conservative. Some actually believe in the doctrines of grace. I don’t know about his, personally.

@rebeccaiwarere7202 Жыл бұрын

I actually have no problem with the article, at least what you shared. Sometimes, Christians can be squeamish about sex and I think we need to be more comfortable talking about sex in a holy appropriate way. Read Song of Solomon

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t see the issue with the article at all. I’m actually really disappointed that people can’t see the beauty in sex within a marriage and be able to relate it to the relationship Christ has with His church. I think the issue is stemming from the fact that people have taken culture’s definition of sex with a feminist twist and are all up in arms about a man pointing to the beauty of sexual union. It was never about culture’s definition. It will always be about God’s definition. And people need healing in order to see the beauty of what this author has written.

@Stacyaj10 Жыл бұрын

The name Keller makes me immediately uncomfortable, but i don’t know if it the same Keller that i found to have modern cultural based theology.

@jamietheodosiou7528 Жыл бұрын

super random request: can you research and discuss the red heifers being delivered in Israel (happened in september), and if you believe this could be fulfilling biblical prophecy?

@donaldconley486 Жыл бұрын

Remember Ally that Christ said that they will hate you because they hated me. I pray for these Christian sure being persecuted. Come, Lord Jesus.

@AndrewKendall71 Жыл бұрын

But, TGC has certainly been a mess, routinely showing that they're inconsistent and unorthodox too often to be trustworthy. The only thing you can be sure of is they offer an opportunity for teachers/pastors to lead students/disciples to learn how to discern error, or as an exercise in what do to or not in homiletics.

@suebe11e5 Жыл бұрын

💯 trying to make sense of all this, I also came to the conclusion that they are embarrassed about “right wing” issues. I think they want to be the cool Christians and are in a liberal media bubble and only see the “right wing” concerns from the perspective of stubborn pearl clutching as the liberals say it is. I used to be one of those snobs :) Still love Keller but I wish he would step outside his liberal bias a bit and engage. There are actually more intelligent people on the conservative side.

@jameslogan6286 Жыл бұрын

Truckers, we need y’all again.

@Veretax Жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that the argument is Being Framed in terms of patriarchy versus female empowerment essentially. What about a man depositing is a sacrifice? The analogy breaks the moment Maybe possibly if your view of sex is that giving it the sex itself is a sacrifice? I don't understand this thinking at all. Those much as I might care about the overblow on the right and the overblow on the left talking about the real issue and that the article is actually wrong because they complained something I probably shouldn't. I get there trying to use a metaphor but as soon as you Flex that metaphor it cracks and crumbles. Which is why it is not a good metaphor.

@jjj0026 Жыл бұрын

If it was up to Christians, y’all would vote to remove The Song of Solomon. 🙄🙄

@keyman6689 Жыл бұрын

Patriarchy is a good thing. Jesus models that for us, along with complimentarianism. The husband/wife picturing Jesus/church is so true. Headship and different roles are modeled here. Saying there's no difference in roles for the husband/wife is saying that the church has the same role as Jesus. This is elevating man to God, the essence of the fall and sinful! But we are made in the image of God and have equal worth because of this, which will be fully realized in the age to come when we have our glorified bodies and are rid of our sinful nature. Yes, the patriarchy can have issues because of our fallen state. But that is because of sins of man, not an issue with patriarchy itself. God is our Patriarch. We submit to him. That is a good thing.

@erinrae5119 Жыл бұрын

Not a fan of TGC at all and don't agree with Josh Butler being canceled. The feminist egalitarians are rebelling against God's created order. But I do worry about how Christians put sex on a pedestal and draw analogies about sex that aren't given in the Bible. The article was cringy, not because of being a prude but because it takes the analogy too far IMHO.

@bethanyrios8327 Жыл бұрын

Tim Keller+Beth Moore= in my opinion: betrayal of the church

@jonathantodd9906 Жыл бұрын

The problem is there is no more shame in society. I love people like Sarah from The News and Why it Matters who goes after the drag shows but it's not enough. We need to find these parents who take their kids to these things and become like bullies. Shane them so hard on social media that they stop supporting these things.

@susaneathorne1178 Жыл бұрын

Was he the one pushed down?! He could have filed assault Charges!

@Lukebarca Жыл бұрын

It's really unfortunate that the gospel coalition took down that article because of cancel culture from leftist Christians. These people that are really against the patriarchy are a few steps removed from leftist that say that women need to be in pornography to experience sexual freedom or equality. Christians need to take over the conversation on sex and why it is good.

@dianatatekilgore9338 Жыл бұрын

If a lady was at the abortion clinic with a prayer rug as a Muslim would she have been arrested?

@LindaMeade Жыл бұрын

Putting a mask on a little child is abuse!

@robertboebinger7719 Жыл бұрын

Beth Moore go home 🤗Blessings to you and your ministry Miss Allie

@fawnleegreene7688 Жыл бұрын

Sex within marriage is the way God intended it to be.....speaking from a place of having been a teen, woman who sinned outside of marriage. Sex is a gift from God for procreation and expressing our love intended for husband and wife.

@gabriellekelly3462 Жыл бұрын

Article is creepy but the dude shouldn't have been fired. Jeez

@ThePastryNinja Жыл бұрын

I saw the controversy and thought mr. Harris must have said something truly heinous and stupid. But I just started giggling when I saw it was just a much cruder, less articulate version of Catholic theology around sex. It was interesting to me that so many women were reading into it the idea that women shouldn't enjoy sex. Because I saw nothing that suggested that, only that sex that is solely focused on pleasure to the intentional exclusion of procreation is small and selfish. And he's right. Pope John Paul II was very specific that a husband ought to care about the comfort and pleasure of his wife during sex, btw, so nothing about procreative oriented sex *has* to mean the wife has a bad time. Children deserve to be conceived, birthed, and raised in love, and Catholic sexual theology is very cognizant of this.

@sophiabaez2060 Жыл бұрын

Lol, Butler's book is too graphic, meanwhile a huge percentage of Christian men view porn on a regular basis. The church seriously needs to get its priorities in order.

@wendymtzc Жыл бұрын

The message was definitively not sexually explicit, but IMO it was unnecessary, we don’t need to bring the sexual act to the gospel, that’s just weird

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

But God created sex. Why do people get so cringe when talking about sex within marriage? It is a picture of the church’s relationship with Christ.

@wendymtzc Жыл бұрын

@@katelyndorin1832 because those conversations are to be held within one’s marriage

@natileb198 Жыл бұрын

The Catholic Church has always held this stance. That’s why marriage is a sacrament and the only sacrament involving sex. Any other lifestyle calls for celibacy. In heaven we won’t be married to each other because marriage signifies the covenant we’ll have with the father. If you want to skip all the confusion join the Catholic Church.

@bambampk4052 Жыл бұрын

Those "christians" who have put what is visible, skin tone, gender, etc, before the LORD will continue focusing on it until they die and it's too late. They are not free in the LORD, "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1)

@mattjohnson5489 Жыл бұрын

My pastor also children from sexual trafficking.

@Remy4489 Жыл бұрын

What?

@owlfethurz8377 Жыл бұрын

If you are saying that he's involved, please report this to the police or child protective services.

@melindamercier6811 Жыл бұрын

Some vital information is missing from your comment.

@rnbham39 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Bad theology, I’ll say. Man’s mind is so perverted…he just can’t help himself. Thank you Jesus for your precious body and blood that wipes away our sin! Ridiculous article…

@paulblackburn5356 Жыл бұрын

What bad theology?

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

Actually, it’s more of an analogy, symbolism offering a picture of the intimacy we can have with Christ. Nothing perverted about it.

@paulblackburn5356 Жыл бұрын

Genesis 1:27 tells us that physical gender is included in us being made the image of God. There is a deep meaning in our physical existence. The theological significance of sex is in what it is supposed to teach us, not in the act itself. But, yes, man's mind is perverted. We've listened to the serpent and turned what is supposed to point us to God (i.e. the naked human body) and turned it into an obscenity.

@Momofukudoodoowindu Жыл бұрын

Beth Moore is so disappointing. I've traveled to see her live in the past. I dont recognize her anymore.

@sarw9294 Жыл бұрын

You might think the conservative pov is “overblown,” but those of us with sexual trauma in our background may have a very different outlook…

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

Then don’t read the book. It’s not for people who are healing from sexual trauma. I suggest you don’t read the Song of Solomon either. Because God did give us that book to give us a picture of the intimacy a husband and wife should have and it’s also very symbolic of Christ’s relationship with us.

@shooterdownunder Жыл бұрын

The people who are complaining about this are not just over reacting but are also going against centuries of church tradition which have taught much of the same thing based upon the book the Song of Solomon. I’ve read numerous commentaries where the authors teaches the same thing.

@eurekahope5310 Жыл бұрын

I think we need to be careful to avoid dogmatically drawing analogies that God did not draw. God drew the analogy to marriage, not specifically the marriage bed. If He had intended that interpretation, I think He would have made it more clear. But, TGC should not capitulate because some people have had horrible experiences. Instead they could have true Christians offer differing perspectives. All in all, liberals of all stripes seem to have an unhealthy connection with sex. It is oppressive in marriage but fantastic in degeneracy and with as many partners as a woman wants. P*rn is expression but how dare a man notice a scantily clad woman walking down the street. Now they want children's privates mutilated to feel better about themselves!?

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

I mean, God did give us the book Song of Solomon 🤷🏻‍♀️

@timothyhaugan2903 Жыл бұрын

Josh Butler is a sick man.

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

Why?

@timothyhaugan2903 Жыл бұрын

@@katelyndorin1832 Sex is not a depiction of our relationship with Christ. Marriage is. BIG difference

@katelyndorin1832 Жыл бұрын

@@timothyhaugan2903 Read Ephesians 5:31-32. Sex isn’t dirty within the confines of marriage. God created it and intended for it to be good. It’s not taboo. And marriage? What do we do in marriage? What sets a marriage apart from other relationships? That a man and a woman know each other intimately through and through in all ways and that includes sex.

@timothyhaugan2903 Жыл бұрын

@@katelyndorin1832 Didn't say it was

@Steven-jv2cf 22 күн бұрын

I do not buy any of this guys cr*p, period!!! My wife and I refused to go on a honeymoon and to NOT consumate our wedding on the same night. She knew how I felt about "following" everyone else's traditions....... A woman's most holy place or sacred place IS NOT below her belly..... I am more into her heart and mind.....YES, FOR REAL!!!!! Sex has a place, yes......but it is not our ultimate union.............. But then again, we could be the odd ones..... : ))

@heidioverall100 Жыл бұрын

Giving their children over to molech

@FirebrandVOCALS Жыл бұрын

KZfaq show biz Christianity also needs to be cancelled with immediate effect

@2000dns Жыл бұрын

For those saying it's too erotic, they should read sex in the Bible, for example in Song of Solomon.

@connasullivan86 Жыл бұрын

And isn’t the idea that whites be paid back for the mistreatment of blacks in the past vengeful? God said, “Vengeance is Mine. I will repay.”-Deuteronomy 32:35