I love that Super Paper Mario is seen as a spin-off or something aside from the issue.

Super paper Mario is my personal favorite. Truly a masterpiece

Of course there is. I grew up with the modern paper Mario games and I’m more than excited to finally be able to play a remake of TTYD. People can’t just be happy for others.

I grew up with Sticker Star and I HATED it. Turned me away from Paper Mario….Until I played the N64 version on the Switch. I loved it and now I’m excited for the TTYD remake!

I think the better word to describe older fans of TTYD reacting to more modern Paper Mario is “disappointment”. I’m one of them. It’s just really hard to hold a candle to TTYD. New Paper Mario is incredibly experimental, so that’s obviously not going to gel with a lot of people who already know exactly what they want to play. It really doesn’t help that games since Sticker Star were explicitly barred from having the same creative room as TTYD.

Super paper Mario is the 3rd game in a trilogy, I refuse to consider it anything else, it’s actually set in the same world as the first 2 and Mario and Luigi have the same house still

The first 3 games are my personal favorites especially the thousand year door but if you’re a fan of the newer games I respect it. I’m not blinded by nostalgia I genuinely think the first 3 are way better so I’m hyped that the thousand year door is getting a remake in 2024.

The first time I played Paper Mario was when I went to my friend's house and played a little bit of Super Paper Mario. I never owned the game myself, but I did get Sticker Star when it came out and I remember being fascinated by it and watching the trailer over and over. I spent a lot of my time on that game, and it didn't take long before I had to follow a guide in order to make any progress because it was impossible for me to understand what I was supposed to do. I also remember never being able to beat the final boss because even when I was pretty sure I had all the right stickers I couldn't ever beat Bowser's final form. My experience with that game left a pretty sour taste in my mouth and when they announced the newer games I never had any interest in them. I remember joking about getting Origami King because it came out on my birthday but I didn't actually get it. I was never really able to play the older Paper Mario games, but I remember watching KZfaq videos about them and seeing stuff like Mr. L as alternate costumes in Project M, and I'd say that those KZfaq videos of the older games is where my fascination with the series derives from. I'm very happy that TTYD is being remade because I've only ever heard good things about it and now I'll be able to experience it for the first time.

I was 8, and bought my first Mario game with my own birthday money and it was paper Mario ttyd. Didn’t know at that time that I was about to play a game that would change me. I don’t hate other people for liking new paper Mario games, but it really felt like the paper Mario I knew and wanted more of was dead. I’m sorry for new fans, but I really hope the old style comes back and stays for at least a few games.

Super Paper Mario is my favorite Paper Mario game!!! Since I'm personally not much of a fan of regular RPG's. Not to mention it had amazingly detailed characters, with great music and an AMAZING story.

I really like what arlo said, the new ones have a heavy emphasis on the paper element. Like, the characters in the new one acknowledge that they live in a paper world, but in the old games, it’s more about the story

Thank you for such a lovely message. I am really looking forward for TTYD and for what is to come.

13:20 finally someone acknowledges the banger of a soundrack Color Splash has

you should talk about super paper mario it's my favorite paper mario, i hope it gets more recognition.

I think if they develop a SMRPG2, they should lump in TTYD's design philosophies. I think combining the best aspects of both of those games can produce something really good. (Bonus points if characters like Geno and Vivian make return cameos. Imagine TTYD characters in 3D.)

To me, the newer paper marios are like cake without icing. Not bad, but really missing something that would make them great.

Bro WTFrick this video is the best description of the Paper Mario War I’ve ever seen 😭😭😭 (I LOVE ALL OF 64, TTYD, SPM, AND TOK, AND WANT TO PLAY SS AND CS)

i'd like to think that super paper mario fans are just kinda there watching the chaos while having best of both worlds

In my opinion I love all of them except for sticker star, the concept of sticker star isn’t bad but I don’t really like it. The story of super paper Mario was the best. Ttyd had the best gameplay and characters and the story was good, same with 64. Sticker star had the best humor in my opinion. And origami king map was cool.

I hope the remake is a sign that things are returning to form. I've played every paper mario game except color splash, and my favorite is still TTYD. I know it's not nostalgia talking because I just finished replaying it last week. Origami King is good, but as I was playing it, I just wanted to be playing ttyd.

I want a Super Paper Mario RPG Edit: Nevermind. You're right

sticker star was my first paper mario, and its music really got me into my hobby of making music and stuff like that, so it definitely holds a place for me

The thing is, as someone who easily prefers the old games, I don't understand why anyone would attack someone for liking something. There's nothing wrong with being critical of what the game presents to us, whether you're talking about the old or new games, but let people enjoy what they like and allow them to criticize what they don't.

"That would be a completely fair compromise that would protect the interests of both parties. . . AND THERES NO WAY IM GOING TO AGREE WITH IT!!!" -Oversimplified, "War of the Pig"

Super paper mario is the paper mario game i grew up with, and it is still one of my favourite games. Amazing story, music, characters. And super nostalgic. I hope theyll remake it sometime in the future

Im the same way. I loved all of the paper Mario games because it gave something deferent to offer. I really want to play TTYD when it comes out because I didn't grew up with it.

I absolutely hated Sticker Star. I played the game but could never beat the final boss because of the "things." You need a very specific set of "things" to beat the final boss and I hadn't memorized the location of them as I just saw them as gimmicky power attacks. I ended up trading the game for a Monster Hunter game which while being one of the worst in the series, was miles better than Sticker Star. You said a lot good things about Color Splash and Origami King in this video but you didn't have much good to say about Sticker Star. Is it wrong to have lost faith in the series after Sticker Star was such an abomination?

TTYD is number one for me, but I also adored Origami King.

My personal favorite in the series is the Origami King. Not only is it a gorgeous game, but the story is well written and the music is absolutely amazing. I'm also pretty hype for the TTYD remake!

I love that you use the spm “chapter opening” theme

Super Paper Mario is best. Don't argue with me. You know it's true.

I love that SPM is getting it's own vid, and it got acknowledged here. I have only played that one, and I love it to pieces. I've seen a let's play of TTYD a long time ago, but haven't played it, and seeing how good folks like Arlo were heavily disappointed in Color Splash and Origami King, I just decided I didn't want to shell out the money for them if I wasn't sure I'd like them. I really liked this video! Very positive, and showing love to both ends of the aisle. Really loved this vid. You've got a like and subscribe from me, and I'm excited for your Super Paper Mario video!

I had no idea that this was a war, glad to see you’re not on either side! I grew up with Sticker Star, and agree it’s bad… but I love all of the games, even the ones I never played. Because I appreciate how each one is it’s own gem!!!

I agree with you when you said fun characters. Like they aren't super out of this world they're just fun to have around and hang out with. Like just seeing a toad or any other character in that game can put a smile on your face

i did grow up with the newer ones, but i would wanna see the paper mario games from the past.

Tbh, I immediately think of 1 of the scenes from Phineas and Ferb. The scene in question is from the speckies v finkies episode. The 2 groups fighting are the 64 and TTYD side and the new trilogy side. The SPM fans are Candace dressed as Ducky Momo just walking by.

12:16: Alright, I'm waiting. I'll wait on that video and I'll probably enjoy it and leave a like, as always. 🙂

0:27 this meme is so perfect and really says it all lmao

Never played 1000 year door looking forward to playing it thanks appreciate your comments

I am so looking forward to the remake. I love the story and characters, collecting Badges, even the cooking feature was awesome af. I love collecting in games anyway and TTYD had so much collectibles...I am soooo hyped

I can’t understand how anyone can defend Sticker Star. No story, lazy copy/paste characters, every attack is a limited resource, bosses REQUIRE you to use Things and you never really get hints about which one you need prior to the fights, stickers are required to make progress and again, it’s not always clear which stickers do what or where to use them (Thing Stickers seriously needed a description to tell you exactly what they do), and basic progression is literally HIDDEN FROM YOU. Jump into a specific sand pit that would usually kill you instantly to find a key to open a boss fight, hit a hidden block so you can reach and jump across a flower before it can hurt you. And if Things are so important to solving puzzles and fighting bosses, WHY do they take up so much space in the sticker album?! Just give them their own separate one! Fans of that game have the nerve to call US nostalgia blind?! Does Thousand Year Door hide basic progression? Does every attack go away after one use? Do puzzles have to be solved with items that go away if you use them at the wrong time? Do bosses force you to use one specific attack to win?! Are normal enemies pointless to fight?! I wish I could be neutral here, but the best I can do is say I think Origami King is a decent game. Sticker Star is just way, way too terrible for anyone with any knowledge of good game design to defend. Color Splash at least had a decent storyline and unique locations.

This man solved paper mario racism

I've always liked the super mario RPGs, whether it's Paper mario, Rabbids, or even those games like Super Saga. They'll always hold a special place in my heart for their comedy, gameplay, and lore.

The newer fans will see why the vast majority of die hard fans find the Thousand Year Door to be the best entry in the series, or at least see what great elements Sticker Star took away from the newer games. * An amazing storyline * Leveling up from random battles. * Unique characters * Partners to add variety * A connected world * The badge system is far superior to cards/stickers Super took the last three away, but that game was a spin off, so I don't count it. Edit: Origami King brought back a great storyline, a connected world, and the combat system itself was a suitable replacement for the traditional turn based RPG system in the first two games, but a leveling system would've made normal encounters not feel like a waste of time.

I love every paper Mario they all made me happy and angry with some parts but it's great that it even exists still

Super paper mario is superb in every way. There. war over.

I loved the first 2, sticker star was only one I couldn’t beat. Really what Origami King was missing was true partners, a leveling system, and unique characters. The battle system in theory was fine, and I’m okay with experimenting, but we need partners and a reason to battle.

I haven't played Color Splash or Origami King, so I can't say anything about how good or bad they are. The thing is while I have heard praise for Origami King, the gameplay itself with those ring battles does not appeal to me at all, and I'm very much not a fan of all the generic toad NPCs and paper jokes. Sticker Star though, I got through the first three worlds before I dropped it and never looked back. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in that game. I believe in voting with my wallet, so TTYD remake will be the first Paper Mario game I buy since Sticker Star. I'm obviously more in favor of one side of this "war" than the other, but attacking fans of the new games won't help anything and is just stupid.

When I collect all seven crystal stars in HD my life will be complete

I don’t want peace, I want problems always

Origami king looks like it could be my fav

I’ve never played any of the paper Mario games but I’m going to pick about TTYD when it comes out cause it looks cool

Honestly Paper Mario The Origami King is one of the best games that i've played as it's a perfect pix of both the old and new aspects of the Paper Mario games.

I used to be on the side of modern paper Mario games but when I spent over $100 on thousand year door it hit me it was truly the best paper Mario game and the nuclear Mario games pale in comparison

Anyone who prefers the New Trilogy over the Old either has never played the OG Trilogy, Are Trolls looking to cause Chaos, or just don't realize how Frustrating Origami King's Battle System is and how Broken Both Sticker Star and Color Splash are. I mean 'Broken' as it the Bad Way, NOT the FUN Way.

I'm so excited about the remake. A big part of my childhood is finally coming back. And then in the most beautiful way. And yes, of course nostalgia also plays a role. But even from a neutral point of view, this game is absolutely amazing. Go for it. The game should appeal to every Paper Mario fan.

Super Paper Mario: the ultimate middle ground

Meanwhile old school fans are like “get this to S.S.D.S Leader Emilie”

I am a first two Paper Mario game enjoyer. I was a little disappointed when SPM changed from an RPG but it was still a great game. The games after that didnt look like they were worth playing. The first two games had an extremely in-depth story and great game mechanics and of course, badges and partners which made the game more replayable with openness to multiple strategies. The games after that jumbled all those things without having all at once. (Expect badges and partners of course) I am hoping modern Paper Mario players will understand our frustration with the new games and give the TTYD remake a try. They will see why we have been so HEAVILY DISAPPOINTED with the later titles (Again, SPM was still good and the story was bomb, but still left much to be desired)

The thing is that if you do not like a game do not try to ruin the fun to others, so are the fans of the first two Paper Mario especially TTYD.

i want the next paper mario to be origami king with ttyd aspects cause those are my two favorite paper mario games if not just some of my favorite games in general like have origami king with ttyd partners and it would be great

I think one of the major problems is that we have limited lifespans, its been about 20 years since ttyd released, and if a game company wants to completely change what a game is, they should name it something else, do they have to? No they can do what they want… but should they?.. yea, anything else is a slap in the face to their lifelong supporters. For instance they could have called the new “Zelda’s” links climbing adventure and it would sting less:P. ( or even.. The tedium of link)😂

Super paper Mario is one of my favorite games ever, not just paper Mario, can’t wait for the video he talked about briefly.

I love this video and I love all paper Mario games, some ofc more than others for my different reasons alone, but let's face it. The war will never end cause as humans, some of us generally don't care and will still fight for the sake of fighting, even if it's literally just a video game series that doesn't even harm people like idk....real life problems do? Your video will no doubt open some people's eyes but in the end this war will never end. All I'm saying to anyone who reads this. If you find a "highly toxic fan" it's best to ignore them even if they support the same side you're on. It's ok to defend a game.....but threatening people, calling them names, dissing a game when you know the people who like them are there over and over? No. There's a line that makes you a loveable fan, or a hated fan.

I honestly love all the paper Mario games

As someone who has only to this day played The Thousand Year Door, I was very excited to see Origami King release. It just meant we were getting more Paper Mario, in whatever form it would be. I never ended up playing it, but watching someone else go through the game online, it looked like a lot of fun.

On behalf of all Americans, thank you for your service in the Paper Mario War!

I respect your opinion on the new paper mario games and I harbor no ill will towards anyone that enjoys them, but i just cant agree that Sticker Star and Color Splash are good or enjoyable. Though I agree that origami king is definitely the best of modern paper mario and the soundtrack is incredible.

Thankfully I can be biased at all because I started playing these games this year lmao

Correct take: Paper Mario 64 is the best Paper Mario game.

To be honest I'm on both side because i love both classic and modern paper mario. Except sticker star

Thanks man. Although I love the first 3 games the most and hated sticker star kinda liked color splash and enjoyed origami I think people should respect others opinions

Don't lie, no one likes Sticker Star. (cue that ONE person who does like it to reply)

I agree that Origami King is a fantastic game, and I loved it just as much as thousand year door and PM64. I thought SPM was a solid game, haven't played Color Splash. When I think back on Sticker Star, it was far more forgettable, but the moment to moment gameplay was still fun, as I still went through the entire thing and finished it. I remember being frustrated by certain areas requiring some specific thing to progress, and that thing could be literally anywhere in the world, putting you in an Easter Egg hunt. But looking back, thousand year door also had moments of unenjoyment (twilight forest in particular comes to mind). At least the Sticker Star problem was easily solvable by looking up the answer online. If they make a new PM game in the style of thousand year door, or they make a new one with all new experimental mechanics (which has been the trend since SPM), I will buy it either way. But sorry, I'm not going to be buying the thousand year door remake when I can play the original right now on my Wii. I hate it when companys threaten the consumer with "buy the remake or we won't make anymore new games!" *looking at monkey ball*. If you're not going to put a significant amount of new content in the game for me to experience as a returning player, I'm not going to bother.

I’m convinced one side of this war didn’t exist who prefers the newer games?

i consider TTYD and SPM as the gem of the series top 1 64 coming to 2nd TOK to 3rd CS to 4th and SS to 6th

My first Paper Mario game was Super Paper Mario and will always be my favourite of the 6 games. But I was never a big fan of RPGs as a kid, but this series (and the Mario & Luigi series) has made me like them more.

I love all paper Mario old and new

As someone who grew up with the new games, I don't understand how someone could possibly see this remake as a bad thing. How can you argue against more creativity, more interesting characters, and a battle system that... actually works? This isn't to say that I don't still love the new games, because I do, but after playing the original Paper Mario for the first time last year it's so easy to see why so many people prefer that style. It makes me wonder if TTYD fans are the ones who are blinded by nostalgia... Can't wait to experience the game for the first time when the remake comes out.

I was about to give a great big THANK YOU for including SPM on the left side in the thumbnail... but then the video didn't really talk about it that way. SPM is 100% part of classic Paper Mario in my book. Even with different gameplay, its heart is consistent enough with the earlier games to feel like the final game in the classic trilogy (and yes I consider it a trilogy). It's the last game to have most recurring enemies original to the series, before it was sanitized to only mainline enemies. The story and character debate is definitely the one I have the most stakes in, even though I think PM and TTYD have the best gameplay in the series, I would not mind the gameplay of later games, even Sticker Star, if the story and characters were approached the same way they were in the first three. All the way down to having a version of the Merlon clan, heavy organic lore, callbacks to earlier titles (as liberal as those in Fort Francis), and a plot that's about something organic like the Chaos Heart or the Star Spirits rather than something paper-related that distances Paper Mario's continuity from other Mario games as some kind of alternate dimension (like Paper Jam tries to gaslight us into thinking the series always was). Considering 99% of this was still fully intact in SPM, it'll always be a trilogy to me. Until we finally get a fourth game that picks up where SPM left off in terms of the old style of characters & story. TOK is the only modern PM game I think is good, and it's mainly despite the restrictions (and the fact that they resisted them harder this time, but still not enough). But still, I feel like starting with Sticker Star, new games have at best been good in their own right, not because they felt like a Paper Mario game (to me you NEED the unrestricted characters and organic story to do that) There's too many inconsistencies with older games to feel like the modern trilogy could fit into the same continuity as the classic one. If the classic one could continue I'd be much more receptive of the modern one continuing alongside it. But to me they're two different series.

I only ever played Super Paper Mario for the Wii, I didn't have a GameCube or an N64, and the others were too expensive and probably are still too expensive now. But I've seen playthroughs/walkthroughs of the rest of the games, so I've seen them at least. I guess that I'm in the middle then, having only played the third game in the series.

I’m kind of in the same boat. I really liked Origami King and I’m really looking forward to TTYD!

I really hope nintendo makes a super Mario warriors game where we can fight all of the old and new enemies and bosses in Mario’s past.

Nin10doLand makes a 15 minute video about why we shouldn't be toxic crybabies fighting over which style deserves to live ... People in the comments come here to be toxic crybabies fighting over which style deserves to win, lol. Classic.

Super Paper Mario is the perfect balance in my opinion

I want that super paper mario vid lol its been 4 months I’m basically from the future

Thousand year door and new trilogy fans fighting 64 and super in the sidelines eating popcorn Jokes aside if you liked the classic or modern thats great just expect toxic fans from one side or the other and just ignore them and don't be afraid to try out either trilogies to get your own experiences and opinions on the games

Idk which side I’m on I played it on my brothers house only I little bit but I can not wait bro

Honestly, I think both sides of the series have their own advantages and that the best paper Mario game would be a sort of mix between the two.

I still think spm is a thousand times better than the new trilogy

Ever since I played TTYD as a teen, I was hooked with the series. (It was only my third game too.) Not only has it shaped my passion for philosophy and of course game design, it has also inspired me to research the franchise and actually make new experiences. With that, outside of Sticker Star, which isn’t even the worst thing ever like a lot of people say, and Super Paper Mario which has things on the complete opposite sides of the quality spectrum. (Probably why it’s as divisive as its franchise.) I continue to enjoy every game. And of course I do challenge runs of the games themselves. People really need to be more open-minded tbh…

I am a fan of TTYD but at the same time I am also a really big fan of the origami king

I’m the most excited for Super Mario RPG, but I did love TTYD.

As someone who’s never properly played a Paper Mario game, It’s always seemed to me like the fan base is quite toxic at times, and extremely blinded by nostalgia. It’s as if no one is allowed to have their favourite be anything other than TTYD. Or at least that’s what it always looked like to me, from the outside looking in.

i have been i big paper mario fan since i played mario

WHY WOULD A LACK OF ORIGINALITY HURT PEOPLE

I think I’m one of the few people that love both Trilogy of paper Mario while I only play the last game of each Trilogy I do want to get and play the other games and from what I seen of them I like and can’t wait to play them to get a full opinion

That chapter 5 speech was the best speech I have ever heard 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👍👍 I hope everyone can resolve this if you know what I mean😅 and I hope the Paper Mario series gets better and better with every installment❤❤

See for me, I found origami kings gameplay to be extremely frustrating and just kind of a chore to do. I eventually just put the game down and never touched it since

My only reaction to this news: "Le sigh...".