So true. The worst about plat is the unwillingness to switch when they are being hard countered. Especially genjis who are doing garbage the entire game but get one good nanoblade and think they are the best players in the game. I finally got to diamond the actions seem more purposfull still a lot of only dps players in open queue which is really frustrating. I have been silver to diamond been stuck in low Plat the longest lemme tell you every rank is garbage. Just a shit game but so addicting.

Plat is really bad. Like I'm not a plat player, but back when I was, it was pure cancer. Plat for me is the rank where people are good enough so you can't solo carry, but bad enough to lose games.

Platinum in any game is probably the roughest imo. But I would say that if you make plat in any game you are good at the game(imo). You can get away with making a mistake in this rank, however, once you get to Diamond and above those mistakes can be devastating as efficiency and momentum become more detrimental the higher you go up. Tactical awareness and team cohesion begin to be really important here if you want to climb imo. I realized sometimes yes you have an “off tank one trick” and that they won’t change but I thought to myself “what can I do to enable them to play the best and possibly help us win. It’s worked for me a handful of times.

Smitticon .q The game isn’t shit. The playerbase is shit. Overwatch is well designed overall, but human nature is crappy.

In plat you’ll have the most fun competitive experience in my opinion

The underrated bronze legend

Bro why your profile pic redigit man

@@ElLucoso there's a limitation on it?

never heard of him

Well obviously no ones going to complain since you’re not doing bad. No one screams “One trick” until you start to do bad.

chaz mathews lol that’s not the point

But it’s still a valid point.

@@Tung-- not if its unrelated?

Fox McFly that’s literally the point... “if he knows what he’s doing” essentially means “if he is playing well, and is getting picks so I won’t complain”

I'm down in gold but thats my perspective also. I use to play high level cod but the way I took it was way to over the top. I was not playing to have fun, I was playing to win and I tied fun directly to that. Sometimes i can lose a game that was actually fun and be ok with it. Its fun to win but if that's the only way I can have fun then I'm missing the point of playing games.

Ended up having to do a mix. I somehow got plat tank even though it’s my worst role imo but climbed well on support and in open queue (used to be 1600 on my old set up before role lock); I deranked from near plat dps to low silver. For dps, it’s coin flip games. I either have gg go next games (the team that afks in choke, overall decent comp but a Hog afks in front of all of their team and they rotate 4-5 ults per fight, throwers/leavers, etc), or I get decent games (Bronze winstons that actually hit the go button so I lock Tracer and play with them, a dps/support I can play well with, or a team that in general plays well). It just got so stressful with swapping from “just do my job and play with the team” to “if I don’t go 1v6, we’ll literally get nothing done and lose” that I gave up on dps in role lock. Once I solidified in plat, Tank/support/open queue have honestly had 7-8 of 10 games being really good, with 1 go next and 1 loss that overall wasn’t terrible. It can still be a bit stressful having to constantly be on guard and play near 100%, but I have fun even with losses/ games that don’t go as well as I’d like.

Never expect your teammates to do anything. That way anything they do is well above your expectations!

Damn that’s some straight up facts DatVocals! I did the same strategy as you and I was able to get out of gold for after 9 seasons since I had to enjoy what I was playing and if not, I would take a break.

I used to be t500 player but then I took break I was down in diamond and I was getting tilted so I decided to play for fun and now I'm masters nearly gm

Yes like if I lose but my team has comms and we tried our best I’m not salty at all

Agreed. I eat this shit up. Makes my rides to and from work fly by.

@@Bonkersiznuts Facts man. Il listen to them during chores too.

It still does

The short answer is no the long answer is no because if you get hard countered your hard throwing if you keap playing that hereo or if you switch cause you can play any other hero. So one tricking is bad

@@dmodk8010 Meh. One tricking is only an issue if you make the ASSUMPTION that they're standing in your way of climbing out of your rank. Which, quite frankly, is nothing but an assumption. Statistically, you'd end up playing against just as many "throwing" one tricks. Meaning, you don't lose anything by it.

WolfRites this is true one tricks are easy sr if you know there a one trick. One tricks are very anoying where let’s say your running dive but you get that one asshole who runs hog you have to change the whole comp so your not farmed

Damn what a line I might use that to other one tricks

*gets to top 500* this rank suc

@@nekowerewolf9769 lol

Plat has the best and worst rank/elo. T500 is just meta game.

Master is the worst

should watch him sniping Pharahs out of the sky. just because you can't kill Pharahs with Hanzo doesn't mean others can't

Maybe there should be silver guns for people who have comp points left or introduce QP point. Make them cheaper, but also somewhat rare and rewarding to get. Also I would really, really like questlike/achievement like rewards for playing a character a lot. Stuff like a skin for Ana when you've slept 100 Blading Genji's. I dunno, CoD has that and it looks like a fun way to motivate getting better.

Dextriathlon honestly I think all of that is a really cool and good idea! Having unique achievement/mastery level weapon or hero achievement skins would feel so rewarding and when you que into comp would indicate to your teammates it’s a hero you know a thing or two about them. Really cool concept you have tbh

Since role queue it feels like 55% people who queue tank in ranked are hog one-tricks. And yeah, most people in, say, plat, play comp just for fun. It's way more competitive than QP, and most people want to win, but very few actually do everything they can to improve (like VoD review, practice, warming up...)

I play competitive for fun, even if it gets frustrating I stay chill, when i win it’s fun but if I lose I don’t mind it too much. I always do my best but I don’t lose my mind over one lose.

Papa Rat ayy, fellow Hog 1 trick, I can kinda agree but sometimes I feel like proving myself, no problem in barely playing comp though, I rarely play it aswell, though I’ve gone from gold to diamond (3.4k) 1 tricking hog Idk what my point is just neat to see a fellow hog 1 trick

We still love carry though

Challenge accepted

Minute 4, and I'm dead.

Kodmmfkxiskxidgjdit (I did it, now I have alcohol poisoning, thanks dude)

I am 110 percent with you! It isn't fair to players who are trying to go all out when a player is just trying to have fun. Fun is for quickplay/arcade.

Because my idea of fun does not fit quickplay, I just don't want people yelling at me for reasons they think are valid but often end up being what they'll describe others doing to them in bad faith

Amateur Ghost then but what is your idea of fun? An environment where everyone are trying their hardest to win?

For me you A get longer games for your queue time with ranked and B you get gold gun money. This is why I’d play competitive without the ‘I’m gonna win’ mindset

cuz quickplay is shit

Ah man I always see support players peeking angles while everyone else is resetting, and then they get picked off by an enemy Hanzo or Widow so we all have to wait another 10 seconds - which half the team won't do so it becomes an instant stagger fight from the beginning.. The amount of times I've seen supports miles ahead of our tank players is astonishing. It's literally a 50/50 whether they get out alive or not. Then again, as you say that's the nature of quickplay, you are only guaranteed one full team fight, and that's the first fight at the beginning of the round..

Don’t join voice chat and just carry

I’m a silver player and we group up about half the time

@@Real_MisterSir this, so much this. And then you stay staggered the rest of the game and lose, because grouping up in the bottom three ranks is like herding cats on a good day

totally true

Meh people will realize that the game is mostly the same despite the differences. But maybe people from both console and PC need to see that they're playing the same game.

Blizzard doesn’t give a shit about Console. That’s a fact.

Except it’s a completely different ball field on Console.

blizzard does not controll the reports on console the console does

what reports work on console?

Epic

The hero every youtuber deserves

Applies to gold too. Usually see this mentality happen mainly in gold and plat

@@Apocalypse754 people who dont know how good they are tend to overestimate how good they are, people who are good tend to underestimate themselves. It's a blame game, Bad players blame teammates while good players blame themselves. Sometimes they're right, most of the time they're wrong

Happens in every rank

samu 6 true but mostly plat and gold I play in plat for tank and silver for dps and support the atmosphere is much more different there is far more flaming plat than silver and in silver someone will most likely go on comms to calm everyone down

@@skyto9233 True but happens most in the 2100 - 2900 range.

I totally agree I went from gold to gm/top500 and plat was the rank that took me the most time to get out of especially since am a support player

@@temmoali7747 I'm going to the struggle right now. So close to being diamond

I am a Mercy one trick on 3.8k rn and I can carry Plat games but in Diamond I am really struggling to carry and win games. Maybe it's just because diamond is closer to my rank... And I really don't think that you are Top500 because I have never seen any master+ player struggling in Diamond on his main role.

If you just play 50% of your best you can climb out plat as a gm. I think actually think you are a mad Plat hard stuck. Every thing you wrote agrees with that

@@malte_2 Dunno how you came to the conclusion that I'm hard stuck plat from what I wrote. I've played this game for 4 years since Beta. The first year I played I was stuck in silver. (I had a super crappy computer and graphics card, was literally playing on 25 fps, and I also blamed my team every game and always thought I was doing everything perfectly) After I replaced my crappy hardware and got out of the mindset of "I'm perfect no one can beat me" I immediately started climbing. Climbed from 1600 to 1900 in the last week of the season. Then I immediately placed 2200, and in about 2 weeks I climbed to 2600. Then I got stuck there for another 2 years. Silver and Gold are so chill compared to plat. There was barely anyone blaming anyone, very few people talked on vc (or were even in vc to begin with) and there was almost no toxicity. I saw about 300-400 girls in those ranks, and not a single time did anyone do the classic "omg a girl why aren't you playing mercy" thing. I genuinely thought that sexism was not a problem in Overwatch, because of how long I'd played without ever seeing it. Then I hit plat. Quite literally, every game was filled with people smurfing, people doing bad accusing other people of smurfing, girls being targeted just for being a girl and not playing mercy, all the things I listed in my og comment. I was stuck there for a year, slowly but surely climbing, but going into the 4th year of Overwatch I genuinely didn't think I'd ever get out of plat. Then at the beginning of the season I went on a massive winstreak and got to 2900, and started getting placed into diamond games, Consistently, the diamond people were the ones being chill, helping people improve, and the plats continued their behavior. I got out of plat and got to diamond, and kept on climbing, and at the end of season 22, I was 3800. Placed into gm at the start of season 23 and been there ever since. Plat was absolutely, 100%, the worst rank and experience I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. I'm not hard stuck plat.

I'm in gold and tried my best to hard carry bronze games, killing 3-4 players. Making it a 5v2 or 3, yet my team would still lose then blame me for picking a weak dps (Tracer)

@@rebornjoker359 honestly, until you get to high silver/ low gold. Winning is a random number generator some maps 😂 Skill can only outweigh so much feeding

@@theshontman depends of the role... a mercy cant carry as a dps or a offtank like zarya... on these ranks when i create a smurf i always play soldier or tracer

@@SoeZ- I play as soldier as you need the self healing in bronze, but even the best soldier can't break a double sheild, mercy bastion... I tried Genji and yes, the bastion kills himself with deflect, but usually there is little healing to sustain you from the rein and Orisa whaling on you also. It's not impossible, Zarya/ hog are some of the best to climb, but if there is an iota of coordination in a bunker and your team doesn't have that. It's stupidly hard

@@theshontman soldier you must play as tracer, killing in the backline... in gold works xd... its not hard omg. Double shield? That meta was a few months, now is not good... My winrate on these rank was 95% xd... in the other team there are dumb people too.

Thank you, as a fellow xbox player I've been here since beta and 95% of KZfaq videos are PC players giving PC advice....

@@Bluemansonic 100% we need more console repesentatiom

@@Bluemansonic 95% of PC advice also works for console, i play both

I feel like that's a pretty empty conversation. The game is mostly the same except the input method and like refresh rate etc... It's well known there's a bias toward heroes like Pharah and Tracer, and away from Widow/Ash/Ana and such. So balance is a bit different but, not much else to discuss really.

@@libertyprime9307 dude what? Ashe, Widow and Ana are all meta on console and pharah is just as bad as she is on pc

that's a ride range... Hawaii roll for ham and roast pork, French baguette for some lunch meats, hard crusty Italian bread for some gravy ("sauce" to others)... there's factors to consider 🤣

Hawaiian roll would like a word with you.

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@@trdrollin and has swiftly existed.. no offense, of course 😁

@@joeyt2756 Lol, none taken

KrieteFred I went from masters console to high diamond low masters pc and it’s literally the same. Had to climb from gold when I placed on pc and the only difference between console and pc is instead of kB/m abusers it’s cheaters instead. That’s it, only difference.

Then you probably dont play much to begin with

@@50733Blabla1337 I mean I still remember a year ago when Blizzard said I didn't join a game that it just didn't put me in and I lost 100 SR when I was a game from GM, but like that's different.

@@colegensheimer8841 Strange that the penalty for leaving is 50 Sr tho so not gonna lie that story is sus

@@50733Blabla1337 Lmfao, yea I lost 50 from the leaver penalty but I ended up dropping 100 sr. It's memorable because it was the most painful 100 sr to lose. Still joke about it with my friends.

@@colegensheimer8841 Lol ok but ye like you said thats quite different :D

And they make completely unnecessary buffs to already good heros

You mean like what they did to Roadhog recently?

David Newhart yep why buff road hog if your gonna make him worse than he was before the buff

That's only been true for like 3 heroes in the entire history of the game. And even then, those heroes were still playable in certain ranks.

For hog, he was pretty decent before, but with the buffs he was op. Now, he got nerfed too much and now is probably lower than the shield tanks

Poggers Arrge

Local KZfaq section dead from drink overdose

Lmao it happened as I read this

True! Lol We all have our ticks I guess. He probably watched this back and saw for himself how much he says it.

But like his videos on youtube are really good not gonna lie

Fr

True but the amount of top 500/gm smurfs at 3300-3500 is absolutely nuts

@@Evan-ve5yj I dont think you know how much a gm/t500 on mainrole would dominate diamond, so no there arent that many low-mid master? meh quite a few low gm smurfs but t500 ppl smurf in gm mainrole and could legit be master offrole depending on their experience and playstyle.

@dave l 10-20% of games will have a hitscan smurf at that rank who are at least gm. I played at high diamond for a long time, and yes they do have a lot of impact on the game, that’s my whole point

I do agree with your first paragraph; but I personally highly doubt the "effectiveness" of the second paragraph. I say this because of the Replay System that they've implemented. It's a GREAT system that really helps you with identifying certain issues you might be doing. But the amount of players who genuinely use it to actually improve is miniscule. Likewise with the Custom Game Modes with all of the neat little community games that people made to help you improve at key things too (double booping on Wrecking Ball; reliably landing Hooks on Roadhog, improving your Ana Sleep Darts on Dragonblading Genjis, etc). Those sort of things are almost always "glanced over" by the community or are really unknown to many people because not much attention is brought to them at all. P.S. -- I would really like a tournament system similar to CoD: MW's personally. I think that's a great system that could also be very useful for a lot of community tournaments and leagues that people organize.

@@rohanmorris8530 Replay system doesn't actually help you at all unless you already know what to look for. It's a pretty time consuming and inconvenient process to go through. Replay system is nice but systems like that aren't what I got the impression Geoff Goodman was talking about when he referenced ways to make losing more fun. I got the imrpession that he was talking about more objective milestones and markers you can achieve and track from game to game. Stuff you can do independently of actually winning a match. I won't bother giving any examples cause we really don't know what they have in mind but there's room for imagination

@@crowdozer3592 I beg to differ. The easiest way to use the Replay System is to just find all of the moments you die in a game and rewatch the moments just before that led up to you dying. Understanding those moments will improve your survivability a lot just from doing that process which is something I do after every 5 games; and each time, it takes about 5 - 10 minutes (unless I died a lot in a game). You do it enough times, you'll even be able to identify the reason why you died in the midst of the game itself and won't have to review it in the Replay System. Following that, if you've generally a logical mind and thinking-pattern, you'd start looking at team-fights you've lost and analyzing why you lost them.

@@rohanmorris8530 I think you misunderstood me, in all of what you just said, it still fits what I meant... You go into the replays knowing what to look for and how to use them, as someone willing to invest that time Replay system doesn't really fit in line with making ow more fun for what I'm betting blizz considers the "average" person (to roughly quote Jeff) who is just "relaxing and playing ranked" but it's great for people who take it really serious Not trying to go off on a tangent about how to use the replay system or whether or not it's useful

@@crowdozer3592 Now I'm confused. If you're speaking about "not knowing what to look for in the Replay System", then I still beg to differ for reasons stated above. Namely because - how hard is it to tell yourself, "I want to improve at the game. Let me look at where I died and prevent that from happening so often"? Can't be that hard to piece together. If you're speaking about who actually goes out of their way to use these type of tools - then I already addressed that in my first comment; meaning, I'm confused then about why you don't think the Replay System is a good system.

Nvm

No

constructive

That idea banks on a lot of arbitrary assumptions. I played between 4200-4500, been on huge win and loss streaks, and 100% believe w/l is an unrealistic factor. "Oh no i met somebody with a 70% win rate i better only lose 5 sr" isn't fair. It needs to be based on legitimate statistics. A widow with a 15% acc over 10 games is one thing, but top players can go on 10-20 game loss streaks, it just isn't mathematically possible without punishing real players

And if Smurfs knew about it they would just steamroll 1 game, throw the next, etc.

Ye same for hanzo he argues on the bases of one of the most versatile dps in the game, while otps are a problem when its niche picks that are literally not supposed to be played in every situation like the heros you named.

You're mostly right but the thing is that no data surpasses a consistent w/l value in a game like overwatch. Actually I remember me and many others asking for it from the time the game came out and we saw these 35% win rate torb and hanzo mains that still got to play in masters. There are games in overwatch where any unnecessary damage or ability use you go for that would look like an increase in statistics as successful ability usage or damage doing would go from irrelevant to throwing. For example do we think any program take into account that 1. The enemy has a widowmaker 2. The widowmaker is alive 3. You entered the widowmakers sight line. 4. You are the stronher widowmaker on average so you get sr/weaker widowmaker so you lose it? 5. You weren't going for the widowmaker when it happened so you lose sr/you were going for the widowmaker when they weren't paying attention so you gain sr doubly so? There could be some stats thay could be taken into account but that is how the hanzo/torb/play the least popular hero for lore sr gain was created. Additionally this stat oriented play-style created players that do unnecessary mistakes because they try to maximize sr-gain, when in reality whether you were a net-positivi/negative to your team winning should be the only variable to how much you're supposed to climb, meaning that a constant would be fine if people learned whether they are net-positive or a net-negative and how to try and figure it out.

Agreed

Too abuseable sadly.

When I go widow lol. It’s actually kinda funny because I don’t play Widow hardly at all unless I pretty much have to. During the pre role lock era it was a game on dorado and a sniper was just perched up giving us probs. I wasn’t even playing damage but I told the damage players if one switches to support I’ll go widow and battle this person. Annnnd they did it and we actually ended up winning the map! But it sucks having to try to single handedly counter something by yourself because someone won’t switch off a hero that is clearly put at a natural disadvantage.

Yes for sure lol. Quick play has become kinda bad for practicing