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The Grim Reaper of the EV1
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Күн бұрынClip from our recent podcast episode with Ken Stewart, CEO of Bright Road and former director at General Motors. Ken talks about how he was given the somber task of laying the EV1 program to rest and collecting all of the cars from their lessees.
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@tonydeveyra4611 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing an EV1 when i was seven years old. My uncles neighbor in Redondo Beach had it, parked in the driveway. I thought it was so cool, i was so excited, thinking my first car would be electric. I didnt get an electric car until i was 33. I will never forgive GM for delaying the EV transition. I will celebrate when their company is deposited in the dustbin of history.
@Resist4 Жыл бұрын
I hear you but if GM went under, then I'd miss the Corvette, which has always been ahead of it's time and the best sports car for the buck. I've owned two and if the Corvette goes fully electric, it will be my third Corvette.
@Resist4 Жыл бұрын
@@vincentlaw82 Not sure anyone else could make it better. And it was rarely ever advertised by GM, like what Tesla does. The Corvette sold itself and for such a small market it still survived and now is in the Supercar arena.
@RayNLA Жыл бұрын
The turn in location was a few miles from where I lived at the time. People were literally crying about loosing their EV1’s. GM knew that they had an incredible product that would have disrupted their entire business. Not to mention their connections to the oil industry. Thanks Elon!!!
@Resist4 Жыл бұрын
There is a dark place in hell for those bosses that decided to kill the EV1. To destroy them for safety reasons, which was a lie, and then to not let people buy them was such a disgrace for GM. They lost a lot of trust from loyal GM customers because of this. But yeah, GM is missing an opportunity to make things right if they came out with an EV2 and took ownership for their mistake and make up for it. Why did this video end so abruptly, like there was more to the conversation?!
@radart6037 Жыл бұрын
It's a cut from the much longer podcast
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
"ownership?" Pull the other leg.
@tomdrewenskus8167 Жыл бұрын
Not half as dark as GM's ignition switch issue that they lied about and hid from the public for 10 years, while killing 136 people in the process. What a dishonest & deceitful company. It serves them right for killing the EV1 and now trailing Tesla & the ~100 Chinese EV makers by at least 5+ years. You led Mary and it matters.
@jeffos8724 Жыл бұрын
Listened to the full podcast last night ... it was great. Ken was very insightful and interesting.
@munrolivepodcast Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@nemesis1134 Жыл бұрын
I got to sit on one, it was a clean interior, well designed clearly something that would have appeared to many drivers. I also said no gm anything after they consciously passed up on leading their future.
@Yachtzeee Жыл бұрын
Love going to the Henry Ford Museum. They have one there.
@Mr_Smith456 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the red one at the Nethercutt Museum.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
It should be noted that GM didnt just kill the EV1, they went after the CAFE standards that forced manufacturers to sell EVs in California. So they also helped kill the RAV4 EV, Ranger EV and other compliance vehicles built for that program. Toyota is right now attempting to do the same thing with current ICE sales sunset laws.
@jemezname2259 Жыл бұрын
This was why Tesla was created and why I invested in it. I was shocked when that investment actually paid off.
@richjohnson8777 Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@rwdplz1 Жыл бұрын
Why no EV2? The EV1 was designed and brought forth by the same small group of talented mavericks at GM in the tradition of John DeLorean, that worked on the Fiero and Saturn brand. The only talented people at the corporation that had brains and were capable of intelligent thought. By the time Volt and Bolt came around, the people in charge were still the people that were in charge that killed EV1, and they didn't want to be reminded of their failures, or the people that made them look bad. The one thing GM management does well is snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
By the time the Volt came out they had also killed the Saturn as an economical efficient vehicle with a unique sales model.
@jeffmeyers2106 Жыл бұрын
After watching the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car" and seeing all those cars ground up, I vowed to never buy a G.M. product again, and I haven't since. They could have been better than Tesla if they had some guts. To hell with them. I hope they go bankrupt and never seen again. They are a perfect example of how not to run a company.
@maxpelletier2237 Жыл бұрын
But but... Mary did it! She electrified THE WHOLE industry!" I'm serious! She lead! and it matters!
@lemongavine Жыл бұрын
I’m surprise Kia was able to get away with calling their car “EV6”. You would think GM would have locked-down EVx
@tomdrewenskus8167 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Tesla was unable to name their lowest cost EV the "Model E" as Ford had it locked down. That's why Tesla called it the "Model 3" which is E backwards. And, it's why Ford called their EV division "Model e" as a dig against Tesla.
@jm100368 Жыл бұрын
Lets get him!!!!!!!
@GNiessen Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it pays to be different. The Aptera will show that efficiency is important.
@markdc1145 Жыл бұрын
If it ever gets produced and if anyone buys it.
@Resist4 Жыл бұрын
But the Aptera won't be mainstream or useful enough to the masses. It's like one of those 3 wheeled vehicles, more a toy than a real car. You have about as much accident protection in an Aptera as you would on a motorcycle. Oh but you can drive 1,000 miles. lol
@markplott4820 Жыл бұрын
Cory - the Chevy BOLT is built on the gm EV2 platform.
@douglascutler1037 Жыл бұрын
Gim Reaper is really after ICE these days. Like 300M+ EV two-wheelers in China with 30M added per year. Even Harley says it will eventually go EV. RIP, ICE!
@MrJimmy527 Жыл бұрын
First, my parents didn't get their own EV1 electric cars on 1990 models by General Motors when I was little back in San Jose, California back in eighteen years ago from 1986 to 2004. Finally, my parents didn't get their own EV1 electric cars on 1997 models by General Motors when I was a kid back in San Jose, California back in eighteen years ago from 1986 to 2004, either.
@brentftaylor Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard there is an EV1 in Tulsa that was donated to the local tech school and still in its possession.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
There were several. The drive trains were permanently disabled.
@spuddy4063 Жыл бұрын
Good choice of guest's considering that the GRIM REAPER launched us all into the MUSK / TESLA era.
@igeekone Жыл бұрын
Think about it, GM had massive celebrity endorsement, that eventually went to Toyota with the Prius. What were the old management thinking? That's asinine to kill a product that had natural momentum behind it.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
And Toyota let it go to Tesla. And Musks shenanigans will cause Tesla to lose it as well. Cant pin it just on GM.
@mjcamp01 Жыл бұрын
Interesting that he swerved the question of how many EV1 escaped the scrap yard
@GabrielGrant Жыл бұрын
I heard it was 3
@tomdrewenskus8167 Жыл бұрын
@@GabrielGrant Yes, a few lessees were able to successfully hide their EV1s from GM when they came to collect them. I think I heard Jay Leno talk about the folks who still had their EV1s.
@maxpelletier2237 Жыл бұрын
@@tomdrewenskus8167 "We came to collect your EV1" "Oh! Dang! It was stolen just this morning!" -tries not to stare at his barn off in the field...
@DougGrinbergs Жыл бұрын
6:43 GM EV2? Will try to remember for April Fool's 😉😀
@PaulHoke Жыл бұрын
Ouch....this title. Lol He finally comes out of hiding and admits his roll and now it's a headline :) I guess enough time has past. But what a fascinating story from his perspective.
@jm100368 Жыл бұрын
"I was only following orders"
@prilep5 3 ай бұрын
Core problem is the battery and range we all know about the befits and capabilities of EVs
@tomdoe5698 Жыл бұрын
did u forget about the hybrid escalade (escapade)
@markplott4820 Жыл бұрын
there still is a surviving EV1 in a Georga parking garage, with the battery removed.
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
Besides the Smithsonian, there's a disabled one in a museum or university in Oklahoma. And there's a story that Francis Ford Coppola kept his at his remote ranch and dared them to come get it. According to the story, they didn't get it. Maybe another museum or two with disabled cars. Haven't heard about Georgia.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
GM agreed for a few models to go to tech schools so students could be inspired by them. Those vehicles had their drive trains disabled. It is likely that was one of those vehicles.
@HVAC_Jae Жыл бұрын
'97-'98 S10 EV was sold and not leased. They could not take those away.
@deejay4922 Жыл бұрын
GM was on top of the game in '99 but then they Chose to drop the ball: game over.
@robertlinder6414 Жыл бұрын
Someone should put an EV1 shell on a Tesla body.
@robertweekley5926 Жыл бұрын
Or, fully 3D Sca it, inside & Out, & Piece by Piece, then build a 20% Larger Scale Model of it, otherwise identical! And show that at Event's GM Attends! 😂
@williamgrunzweig571 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. The guest said GM is entering volume production..yah no its not. If GM is not making 100k a year and confirmed delivery to a real customer...at a minimum...then no GM is not entering anything. 2022 GM delivered around 38k bolts to customers...volume production my ass. Will the new chevy equinox even break 100k deliverd to actual customers in 2023 or 2024? Im not holding my breath. The guest is still a mouth peace for GM as his 401k is tied to their success.....when in doubt follow the money.
@jamesengland7461 Жыл бұрын
I think you're reading too much into it. He means entering a market segment of low cost, high volume cars. He's not saying they will succeed, but merely they they've entered that space. The only way to succeed in that market segment is to build in volume.
@tomdrewenskus8167 Жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct. GM was able to make a total of 2 (TWO) Hummer EVs in Q1 this year. And one was perhaps the Hummer EV Munro took apart earlier this year.
@markdc1145 Жыл бұрын
Let's face it, GM only wants to build high-margin pickups and monster SUVs. Mary can say what she wants about EVs but in the end, the GM board and shareholders will determine this.
@windelf1 Жыл бұрын
It would be divine justice and ironic if GM went bankrupt because of tesla . I for one would be happy to see it happen
@nickwulf Жыл бұрын
Cory SAE NACS (SNACS) Thoughts?????.
@GG-si7fw Жыл бұрын
Think of where GM would be sitting in 2008 if they had an EV2.
@romanwowk4269 Жыл бұрын
This is why I hope GM goes away and stays bankrupt without a taxpayer bailout next time
@ShortVersion1 Жыл бұрын
This is an example of why we shouldn't allow registration of inanimate objects. Of course, there are more examples to the contrary, probably. Every time this story comes up, I can't help but think it's a case where stealing would have been justified.
@maxpelletier2237 Жыл бұрын
But, what was the official reason GM took them back and closed the program? What is the official "Why"? He mentioned "commercial" reasons. So was it that the leased EV1 cars were worth over 200k? (so very unprofitable?)
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
Becauae they didnt want to build them to begin with. They were compliance vehicles. The EV1, RAV4 EV and Ranger EV programs all existed solely to meet the CAFE standards. When the corsortium of companies (including GM) successfully lobbied to get the CAFE standards changed, all of those vehicles were round up and destroyed. GM, Toyota and Ford wanted to make it clear to legislators that they didnt want to be forced to manufacture EVs.
@darrellpark3206 Жыл бұрын
Shows how genocides happen. Too many People blindly follow horrible orders & have zero courage to stand up for what is right. He can lie to himself all he wants but this was THE KEY FAILURE in the upcoming implosion of big auto and led to the air pollution deaths of thousands upon thousands
@douglasgroff7648 Жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t GM just introduce an EV2? Simple, because it would reignite memories of the Death of the EV1. These memories fly in the face of Biden’s insistence that “Mary (GM) led and it matters.”
@Resist4 Жыл бұрын
True but that was a different management back then. The current management could just take responsibility and make things right with an EV2 and come out on top.
@dariuspringle2608 Жыл бұрын
First time I had to call BS on this channel, notice this guy doesn’t even have a name or an introduction, he wasn’t there for the decisions nor the engineering and manufacturing. If you want to discuss this intelligently call Ken Baker, his number is readily available.
@EricP36 Жыл бұрын
First!
@paddle_shift Жыл бұрын
GM made the correct decision to kill the EV1. GM is a volume auto manufacturer. The EV1 would have had to stay as a niche vehicle for MANY YEARS if they continued to make it. They were going in the wrong direction anyways financially, going completely belly up by the end of the 2000s. Liability laws, especially in CA, along with the lack of parts for the used and out of warranty vehicles also was the need to recall the EV1s back for recycling. It was always a half hearted attempt from day 1.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
Thats unfair to the people who actually developed, built, and sold them. There was nothing half-hearted in any of that. They went WAY above and beyond what was required to meet the CAFE compliance standards. But the high-ups never wanted to build them to begin with. They wanted to do what GM had always done: dazzle people with a concept they had no intentions of actually building. The design DNA went into Saturn and thats as far as GM wanted to go.
@paddle_shift Жыл бұрын
@@patreekotime4578 You're actually agreeing with me when you say the "high-ups never wanted to build them to begin with". That's the very definition of half heated attempt.
@hoffinger Жыл бұрын
The Leaf came out and was very popular in 2011.
@ChristianFrates1997 Жыл бұрын
Are Billy and Mandy around him?
@billcichoke2534 Жыл бұрын
This has the hallmarks of a massive safety liability recall. Not big oil or any bs like that...something more else. Sounds like there was a danger using these things that GM didn't want to be sued over.
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
Ughh... No. They didnt want competitors taking them apart and building off of GM's propreitary technology. GM were part of the consortium that got the CAFE standards changed whichreversed the mandate for EV sales in California.
@billcichoke2534 Жыл бұрын
@patreekotime4578 Wait...that doesn't even make any sense. If you're protecting a proprietary invention, that means you want to produce and sell it exclusively. You're not getting rid of it if you think there's a market and you want to rule over it. As well, the mandates fly in the face of consumer demand. Any SANE company would be telling the government they need to stop picking winners and losers, and let the consumer do that...which we have and had.
@Karl-Benny Жыл бұрын
how dumb can you crush a popular Product
@LarryRichelli Жыл бұрын
It will be amazing to me if GM can bring out all these vapor wear EVs without another government bail out!
@zachlafond2652 Жыл бұрын
DIdn't some of the guys on the EV1 basically start Tesla?
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
Ah,,, NO FRUNKIN' WAY!
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
No, but there ARE several interesting connections. AC Propulsion designed the drive train for the Impact concept that the EV1 was based on. That drive train never went into production. Later, AC Propulsion build a concept car called the T-Zero based on a Lotus Elise. It was one of the first high-mileage/high-performance EV demonstrators. Martin Eberhard visited AC Propulsion when they were switching from lead-acid to lithium ion batteries. He tried to convince them to mass produce it but they were only interested in low volume conversions. Martin and Mark Tarpenning then leased the AC Propulsion technology and created Tesla Motors (inspired by the AC Propulsion name). Then Elon Musk drove the revamped T-Zero and also tried to convince them to mass produce it. At that point they got him in touch with Eberhard and Tarpenning and the rest is history. It should be noted that while Tesla leased the AC Propulsion technology, they found it impossible to scale and had to basically start from scratch on the Roadster drive-train.
@scottz45 Жыл бұрын
How can anyone respect GM today? They have failed time and again.
@brddukaty7460 Жыл бұрын
When the SEARS dominated the ……..and Amazon was just😂a river. GM now even more screwed up “gm” just corrupted management- I was earning paycheck there😢👎
@jamesh318 Жыл бұрын
What kind of company tears a beloved product from the hands of loving customers? That company deserves to fail, and it would except for the constant life support by uncle gov.
@jamesh318 Жыл бұрын
It seems at the end like he’s skeptical of Tesla’s obviously successful plan of sports car first, then mass production. I mean the guy is tryna sound all authoritative after being involved in losing the entire game and making GM look like a bunch of schmoes. You couldn’t gift me a GM vehicle, they are terrible!
@patreekotime4578 Жыл бұрын
And for how many years now has Tesla promised a new Roadster? They gave people who wanted a new Roadster the Plaid instead.
@jamesh318 Жыл бұрын
@@patreekotime4578 Tesla, like SpaceX, specializes in turning the impossible into late.
@jonathangarner5366 Жыл бұрын
Too much negativity with EV1 to use EV2
@ShotgunAFlyboy Жыл бұрын
GM is such a horrible company.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Жыл бұрын
To be considered for a position as a GM executive you need to submit to a cognitive assessment, comparing intellectual capacity to a sack of hammers...
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