The Guardian-1.mpg

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hogshawrabbits

hogshawrabbits

9 жыл бұрын

(New updated single video version available with annotations).
The two Rabbits explore the 'Guardian' a huge underground telephone exchange located under Manchester City Centre, It is 112 feet (34m) below ground and cost £4 million to construct. The main tunnel, one thousand feet long and twenty-five feet wide (300m by 7m), lies below buildings in Back George Street, linking up to an anonymous and unmarked surface building containing the entrance lifts and ventilator shafts.
Video shot in 1996 prior to decommissioning on a Sony personal camcorder.
It appears this is the only video of this complex, which if I had known this was going to be the case at the time I would have made a better job of it. However it was just done for curiosity but I decided almost 10 years later to post on KZfaq as a historical record for future generations.
p.s When previously down in the complex alone I sometimes got a little scared imaging that Alien was also down there and there being just 2 ways out :-)

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@pjmbidge632000
@pjmbidge632000 5 жыл бұрын
I went down into the Guardian on 3 occasions, once in I think 1998 when there was a fire in the complex whilst it was being stripped out, once again for a fire in 2004, and lastly in 2010, when I visited it to see how it had been completely stripped out and refurbished. On both fire incidents, It was a very difficult fire to deal with, because we couldn't use the lifts ,you had to wear breathing apparatus as the smoke had completely filled the whole complex, and it was so deep you had to be very careful monitoring your air consumption, and by the time you had got into the exchange, you had very little time to fight the fire, before you had to exit, bearing in mind you would use more air getting back up the ladders and staircases than you had used going down. Very difficult to search, very difficult to find the seat of the fire, and very very hot.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
Wow no way would I enjoyed that experience it was scary enough fully lit when alone with no one else down there.
@tweekUE
@tweekUE 3 жыл бұрын
That's a very vivid account, thank you. I hadn't considered the challenges of putting out the fire.
@ninalutgen6244
@ninalutgen6244 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Martin zero led me to this page . He did a bit history on his clip
@TCM-dw3pz
@TCM-dw3pz 5 жыл бұрын
Same as.
@jakeforrest
@jakeforrest 4 жыл бұрын
Me also
@cybermaxpower
@cybermaxpower 4 жыл бұрын
me to
@danieltoth-nagy5097
@danieltoth-nagy5097 4 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Dyndor You made me think. The voice in the first 30 seconds also really similar. But you have to think this was filmed 24 years ago.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
@ Andrew Dyndor. No Martin had nothing to do with the recording it was just us two engineers who worked above in the BT exchange and decided to record before it was decommissioned and ripped out. Recorded 1994. Yes were Mancs thought ;-)
@dudleyhardial2273
@dudleyhardial2273 2 ай бұрын
I worked in Guardian on and off during the late seventies/ early eighties. My first time descending down was frightening. The lift was in the York street office. I remember during the winter months going down during the dark mornings and resurfacing in the dark evenings. Hardly ever seeing the sun. I really did love working down there. I really missed my old BT days.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 14 жыл бұрын
Regards access now I don't even think BT employees could get down there due to perceived safety risks except for maintenance purposes. I was advised by a fellow BT EL&P employee a few years back that during the decomisionng asbestos got disturbed making it unsafe for a time. This has no doubt been stabilised now however the health and safety risks as they are mean that BT could not afford to let anyone down for fear of accident or litigation. IMO that is.
@danielmarshall4587
@danielmarshall4587 5 жыл бұрын
STONE THE CROWS ... These tunnels, bunkers are all over the place. Thank you for taking the time to video it and also uploading it.
@danielmarshall4587
@danielmarshall4587 5 жыл бұрын
7:29 "size wise it is big" YES!
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
And a little scary at times when your down there alone. The mind makes things up...
@DaveGore
@DaveGore 8 жыл бұрын
Fascinating set of videos. Thanks for sharing.
@kenwilliams563
@kenwilliams563 3 жыл бұрын
So pleased to see this, I had a friend who worked there.
@arbutuswatcher
@arbutuswatcher 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a cross between NORAD & AT&T in the U.S. Lots of old school communications gear, circa 1960/1970's.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 13 жыл бұрын
Yep I agree H&S means no more visits to this underground system. Plus some of the access routes are now no longer BT populated buildings. Back in the 90's I was able to go down when ever I wanted. This night myself and a colleague were the only people down there at around 6pm. During the day you would expect EL&P and maybe jointers / transmission to be operating in the facility but at 6pm its just myself and the rats. There's no chance of any return.
@NevDunn
@NevDunn 6 жыл бұрын
I used to work in Guardian and walk the tunnels. The lift shaft was on York St and another tunnel ended up in a private car park. Its fascinating to see these images now. I never considered videoing it at the time and may have been an issue as we had all signed the Official Secrets Act on joining GPO
@nzoomed
@nzoomed 4 жыл бұрын
From what i understand, the tunnels are still used for cabling, so am assuming its just the exchange underground thats been decommissioned? Do you know if any of the equipment is still down there?
@tweekUE
@tweekUE 3 жыл бұрын
@@nzoomed there's virtually nothing down there now except for the cables and the two generators.
@lordred4116
@lordred4116 5 жыл бұрын
It was a bit sobering when in the 70s and 80s in the cold war,some exchanges had rooms in the bowels of the building,stocked with canned water and supplies,along with beds in case the big one got dropped by Russia. It was a horrible feeling going into them.
@xenon53827
@xenon53827 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't for me, I used to nick the tins of boiled sweets out of the ration packs… YUMMY!
@jodep2198
@jodep2198 3 жыл бұрын
I used to maintain the dolls eye switchboard in the war rooms under the bt tower and the phones down the tunnels on pw maintenance was so cool. That would have been mid 80s to 94 when I left bt. Great to see this video.
@propellingcat
@propellingcat Жыл бұрын
Great that you have captured this, but it was a shame that the camera panning was far too erratic which made it very difficult to identify some of the equipment, particularly the transmission equipment. We had short glimpses of what appeared to be GPO 51 type FDM Carrier stuff, 62 type Channel translating equipment and a fly past of what appeared to be some old trunk test postions, sadly with no detail. It's a great pity there were no static close up shots of the jack fields, notice boards and equipment. A great opportunity missed, but the whirlwind tour was enjoyable. Thank you.
@user-ng9gd4vl9s
@user-ng9gd4vl9s 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Captain Heindsight.
@EagerGreatDane-mf4kb
@EagerGreatDane-mf4kb 6 ай бұрын
This by far is the cleanest of tunnels as well as Birmingham Anchor.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 9 жыл бұрын
I would say yes but not accessible to the general public or even BT employees anymore as the two main Entrances for this video are now offices and no longer BT Telephone exchanges or populated buildings. The lifts will still be required for general maintenance and for BT to access the cable tunnels.
@ant292uk
@ant292uk 5 жыл бұрын
I will pay you for information. Seriously.
@DavidHarry
@DavidHarry 3 жыл бұрын
Great historical record. Thanks.
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. We recorded this around 1994 while working above in the telephone exchange building thinking that it would be cool to take a recording for history. However not being a professional camera man and there being little or no editing software in the early 90's and computer editing was in its infancy or not even practical :-) you will have to bear with our limited ability. After all this was originally not intended to be shown to anyone but just as a curiosity for personal use. However I decided to make public for the historical record :-) Sorry for the bad quality but this was recorded on a Sony 1992 analogue Super8 device but better than nothing I hope. Big Rabbit
@Toscin99
@Toscin99 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video
@arbutuswatcher
@arbutuswatcher 3 жыл бұрын
In the States, there are many semi-decommissoned facilities, both part of the old Bell System, as well as the former GTE System, which are still used for a facility or transmission pass through. It's interesting to see that this is also the case across the pond. It makes a person wonder how many of these such places exist across the world?
@RichieRouge206
@RichieRouge206 4 жыл бұрын
What a fascinating place!
@jamesbeemer7855
@jamesbeemer7855 4 жыл бұрын
Something to think about , besides solder joints .
@SuperLeehowarth
@SuperLeehowarth 5 жыл бұрын
Haha this brings back memories, I worked down here in the mid nineties.
@kathyhowarth2934
@kathyhowarth2934 5 жыл бұрын
Hey wonder if we’re related,I married into the Howarth family they are from Bury and Bolton
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
Recorded about 1994 ish.... while working above.
@skycdr4641
@skycdr4641 7 жыл бұрын
That must be one of the last decommissioned strowger units left in the UK.
@karengill8234
@karengill8234 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. …..
@smogmonster1876
@smogmonster1876 4 жыл бұрын
8:42 reminds me of Aldwych Underground Station.
@EagerGreatDane-mf4kb
@EagerGreatDane-mf4kb 6 ай бұрын
Is all the plant equipment still down there?
@jamesbeemer7855
@jamesbeemer7855 4 жыл бұрын
Miles and miles of cables , and some of them aren't used .
@colincampbell1113
@colincampbell1113 4 жыл бұрын
What was this exchange for? What was it connected to? Was it separate to the telecom system? I mean if the existing exchanges where destroyed what would this exchange connect to. All the phone lines would have to reconnect to here and they probably be shorted out and be disconnected. I mean what was this exchange for? I noticed the strowger switches had bits missing.
@user-oh7iv3ij5x
@user-oh7iv3ij5x 2 жыл бұрын
In the UK all the telephone system is underground, via cables. Guardian was the trunk lines the telephonists upstairs in the exchange used them there was 100 telephonists upstairs connecting calls from the public. Now it’s different fibre optics and satellites make the system obsolete Kingsway, Anchor and Pioneer lines must all be down in the tunnel now Obsolete
@propellingcat
@propellingcat Жыл бұрын
Manchester is large city and in common with all large cities including London, Birmingham and others cannot be served by one telephone as there were technical reasons (ie local end losses in copper cables which traditionall owing to increased resistance, would impair loop dial signalling and transmission quality. A sectorized system known as a Director system involving several telephone exchanges each with it's own area prefix in the different areas was needed. These prefixes would be translated into routing digits in order to route the call to the required exchange using register translators. You raise the question, 'if the existing exchanges where destroyed what would this exchange connect to?' The answer is non of them. It would have been unlikely that all the sector local exchanges would be destroyed during an attack. Guardian was a Non Director Exchange similar to Kingsway in London which was primarily to provide routing through Manchester to other locations in the UK, also to give access to local exchanges in Manchester and Manchester operators. The General Post Office devised a very powerful system in order that operators could route trunk calls using designated codes not available to the public via numerous trunk exchanges in the UK. For example, a Plymouth operator could access a trunk exchange in Reading dial through this exchange to Aberdeen etc. Furthermore because of the ingenious planning of the GPO, the call would incur no transmission losses and in this case 2 db which is undetactable by the human ear. The point being that trunk exchanges above ground were vulnerable to attack but Manchester, Kingsway, Birmingham were protected which gave protected incoming access to these cities as well as trunk switching access for through traffic. Guardian dates from the 1950's and was provided in addition to the existing tandem exchanges which also handle incoming traffic. Over the last 30 years, digital switiching have replaced the old analogue technology. QED.
@propellingcat
@propellingcat Жыл бұрын
Sorry, should have read 'served by one telephone exchange'.
@fasthracing
@fasthracing 6 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@CarolineFord1
@CarolineFord1 17 күн бұрын
Please Keep Guardian Tidy!
@robc3056
@robc3056 4 жыл бұрын
And heres me expecting a few cables and boxes ..wow
@gablia2002
@gablia2002 5 жыл бұрын
Martin sent me...👍
@valley_robot
@valley_robot 5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of “half-life”
@ocsrc
@ocsrc Жыл бұрын
If this was decommissioned they already have 2 new classified facilities online underground That's how we did it here in America
@shambl3s
@shambl3s 13 жыл бұрын
you not a bt employee? i tried gainin access to this place a few times but cant !!!!!
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
Yep we were BT employee's you had to be as the entrance was guarded by a Security guard so you needed a reason to go down. I just told them I was gas testing ;-) plus they knew us both.
@bluenail90
@bluenail90 14 жыл бұрын
Wow, I wanna go. By the way, there's this wierd huge steel trap door in M21 and, according to local hearsay they're entrances to A bomb 'observer' bunkers. Do you think this might be true or just bs?
@explorewithant8263
@explorewithant8263 7 жыл бұрын
bluenail90 hi,where's m21
@lordred4116
@lordred4116 5 жыл бұрын
Quite possibly,if you go up the east lancs road towards Liverpool, at Leigh on your right side there's a farmer's field with raised concrete lids.This is the entrance to a nuclear bunker where the north west government would have took shelter during a nuclear war.
@antmerritt
@antmerritt 4 жыл бұрын
The ROC bunkers have a quite distinctive and standard layout above ground. I’ve been in one in north Staffordshire and have seen them all over now I know what they are. Look for two low brick and louvered structures about 4-6m apart. Usually green painted. One will be the entrance and one for ventilation and the monitoring gear. An upside u-bend is common along with one tin can shaped and one or two square metal projections. There is usually an alignment of them on hills or over looking valleys. Spaced abou 10-15 miles apart. It would have been horrendous as the observers jobs was to record the destructive force of the bomb and then get out to return to whatever was left of their base.
@user-oh7iv3ij5x
@user-oh7iv3ij5x 2 жыл бұрын
There used to be a telephone exchange in Chorlton it was the last to go automatic in Manchester, that may be some thing to do with it, it was a manual exchange with telephonists
@TheRouletteGenius
@TheRouletteGenius 9 жыл бұрын
Will the lifts still be operational?
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 9 жыл бұрын
TheRouletteGenius I can't say for sure 100% but I would expect so as BT still use these tunnels to carry fibre optic cables under the city between core exchanges.
@TheRouletteGenius
@TheRouletteGenius 9 жыл бұрын
thanks my friend
@lewisray2697
@lewisray2697 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting…………
@thebaldconvict
@thebaldconvict 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible!
@WilliamAshleyOnline
@WilliamAshleyOnline 4 ай бұрын
very similar to the london underground shelter sites.
@jainee4507
@jainee4507 Жыл бұрын
This is like the Backrooms for real.
@bluenail90
@bluenail90 13 жыл бұрын
@rightfredsdead Thanks, btw it felt like it, we had nightmares as kids. And adults couldn't really sooth our worries.
@colinthegeordiehistorian10
@colinthegeordiehistorian10 3 жыл бұрын
also led here by Martin Zero
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 8 ай бұрын
This is raw VHS footage straight from the camera for an authentic 90's video of the moment. It was not recorded for the Internet as at the time the Internet did not exist as it is today. No KZfaq in 1996
@1harryrobert
@1harryrobert 3 жыл бұрын
M.U.G.S Motor Uniselector Group Selectors
@JimmyJagg
@JimmyJagg 2 жыл бұрын
I maintained hundreds of MUGS in Pioneer. Worked in MR/GUA in the 70's. Walked all the tunnels testing emergency phones every Monday morning, popping up in Dial House to use thier canteen.
@user-oh7iv3ij5x
@user-oh7iv3ij5x 2 жыл бұрын
@@JimmyJagg This place had a canteen upstairs it was always full of engineers
@JimmyJagg
@JimmyJagg 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-oh7iv3ij5x York Street
@user-oh7iv3ij5x
@user-oh7iv3ij5x 2 жыл бұрын
@@JimmyJagg yes Dial house had the biggest.canteen though. I left in 73.
@kytzu2608
@kytzu2608 3 жыл бұрын
I'm early here it seems, the algorithm chose you. Here at 45k views
@Stiffd1
@Stiffd1 4 жыл бұрын
The 5:16 will be arriving at 'wanker's wall' section!
@hogshawrabbits
@hogshawrabbits 3 жыл бұрын
These kind of pictures were common in telephone exchanges back in the 80's even a library of Playboy books would not be uncommon.
@ocsrc
@ocsrc Жыл бұрын
America has huge complexes like this all over the country underground
@TrueGaming140.48
@TrueGaming140.48 24 күн бұрын
Has backroom vibes
@elrevesyelderecho
@elrevesyelderecho 10 ай бұрын
It looks like a backrooms video!
@jd3497
@jd3497 3 жыл бұрын
Some narration would be good.
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