Jack said something about the jaffa staff weapons vs the p90s in an episode that I think applys to the Hatak vs the Daedalus as well. "This is a weapon of terror. It is made to intimidate your enemy. And this is a weapon of war. It is made to kill your enemy."

I think this was somewhat explained in the series if my memory is correct, "Adversity breeds ingenuity" the Goa'uld were stagnant for so long that they lost their edge, they couldn't react quickly enough. So many systems were under their control that they didn't need to advance.

Nice to see that Steve woke up from his coma.

O'Neill naild it when he said Goauld weapons were "weapons of terror" not weapons of "death"

Maybe you can help us convince Media Zealot to get going on “sci-fi civilizations too stupid to exist/villains too stupid to win: the Gould”

In the Ha'tak's defence, it's literally an armed transport. It was never supposed to be a warship. The capital ships Apophis and Anubis use are warships. The System Lords just never bothered building a proper navy and are stuck with a fleet of glorified troop carriers instead once shit hits the fan.

Actually, if I'm remembering correctly the in-universe lore, The Ha'Tak has only been around since the beginning of Earth's 14th century or 1400's. I believe this is from Jacob Carter/Selmak during the episode Prototype, when O'Neill and Teal'c get stranded aboard a retrofitted Death Glider that had an unknown recall device aboard it, and he's lecturing Samantha and Daniel on the recklessness of the situation they are in right now. So, from that statement we can assume they had Tel'tacs(Cargo Ships), Al'kesh(Frigates) and possibly a much smaller and more primitive capital ship until then, because the Gou'lds don't really innovate tech so much as steal, copy, and repurpose from those they conquer, or straight up grave rob it.

I remain convinced that the term "staff weapon" is analogous to the term "rifle." In our real world, the term rifle has been used to describe infantry weapons, rifled cannons, and rifled battleship cannons. So, "staff weapon" is probably just the category of Gould energy weapon operating on a specific principle. After all, there's a big difference between a M1 Garand, a 57mm recoiless rifle, and a 16"/50cal naval rifle (USS Iowa guns).

So, a few things of note: The Goa'uld as we see them after the start of SG-1 are essentially the Holy Roman Empire not long after the Emperor has died with no direct, recognised heir. The movie establishes that Ra as basically The Guy, with the System Lords as a council below his authority after he schemed and took the throne from Anubis who had schemed and taken it from Osiris. Basically this is the Goa'uld at their most vulnerable, then an actual military turns up to their slave/terror empire and goes "We could take them." And legitimately causes one of the most trusted of the enslaved warrior caste to revolt instantly because it is the first time it's seemed believable that freedom was possible. Then you have, as you said, the problem that every system lord was isolationist and refused to share any technology because they were alway looking for an edge over their neighbour. Which means you can't get the best and brightest all working on a problem and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. I always got the feeling that if Ra had been around, that the System Lords would have been marshalled into a semi-functioning alliance rather than a bunch of people who just agreed not to openly punch each other in the dick. There's also the fact that the Tok'ra had been actively, constantly using sabotage and false evidence to pit the System Lords against each other. Basically using their hostile, untrustworthy natures against them. It's also that this is the Holy Roman Empire, only lords can't just die of natural causes and so are constantly carrying around grudges from millennia ago despite the fact they have literally changed body dozens of times since then. Like, your house is already better than it was. Stop being annoyed that he chopped down an oak tree (Killed a whole town of slaves) a century ago, and plant a new fucking oak tree you fucking twat. Like, the fact they are so incredibly, stupidly petty is why they are just so fucking incompetent and perfect as an enemy. They fucking suck, you can't even trust them when they're working with you because they can't trust anyone to have the same knowledge they do, so they WILL betray you. Like the fact that SG-1 could tell when Goa'uld had actually figured shit out because they acted with humility that they were incompetent rather than enraged at the problem.

Due to the Goa'uld constantly sabotaging themselves, any System Lord that that developed a better design was torn apart by all the other lords to get it plus it was built using unskilled slaves and designed to be operated by barely educated Jaffa. it had the potential to be a absolute beast but never got the chance. The replicators doing simple modifications within MINUETS got the hyperdrive over 800 times it's normal maximum speed and went multiple times even faster later on.

"They didn't even save it to a PDF" makes me imagine one of the System Lords being all cocky at a computer interface, and gradually becoming more and more frustrated because they want to save it to a PDF, but can't figure out how. And then they blast the terminal.

a bunch off people got hold of the screen-used CG models, and by scaling the F-302 for the pilots, they got the scale of that, and consequently the scale of the daedalus. each flight pod of the 304 is the size of an Aircraft carrier... making the overall ship atleast about TWICE that.

The only thing the Goa'uld did better than everyone else was. Make their capital ships larger on the inside than the outside. That's how they can fit a 4 sided Pyramid inside of a 3 sided Pyramid ship. And still have room for 750,000 tons of cargo, several 100,000 plus troops, several hundred fightercraft. Some light bombers and heavy troop transport ships. The Goa'uld are shown to use what many fans refer to as (flat space) or some form of dimensional folding in their technology to fit something huge into something small. You would think at some point they stole Doctor who's tardis and got a handle on its spacial manipulating technology.

B5 Centauri starfighter looks more like the death glider.

"All of this is trash, you're trash, you live in a dumpster, you're house is dumpster, and you're trash!" -An Asgard

you forgot the most stupid thing: its a 3 side pyramid landing atop 4 side pyramid!

I haven't seen the show for over 15 years, but what I remember is that none of the of Goa'uld tech is theirs. They scavenge tech from the infected civilizations and ancient ruins.

The Goauld: The most Technologically advanced race, used to winning so much they became the most inefficient fighting force in the galaxy. Goauld lacking in small unit tactics, clearing discipline, weapon discipline, weapon training and generally they dont have any SOP's

An interesting thought. If The SGC actually got to keep Cronos' HA'TAK and the Tok'ra lent their expertise as it was the plan originally. Before the whole exploding a sun and being sent to another galaxy happend. The Prometheus and the Dedalus would have looked rather different. Since with the Staff Cannon now mass producible and them being the most powerful ship to ship a weapon the Tau'ri had available. They would have gone to more of a Space Battleship Route. With the Prometheus looking like a cross between the Murasame-class Cruiser form Space Battleship Yamato and the Adamant-class Frigate from Battlestar Galactica Deadlock. And the Dedalus like a mix of the Kongo-class Space Battleship also form Space Battleship Yamato and the Valkyrie Class Battlestar.

The only bad guys that doesn't have explodium in their consoles.

Honestly it's a pity the Tau'ri never ended up adding Goa'uld ships like HA'TAK and Al'kesh to their fleet. Especially after the battle of Dakara. There were over 100 of them as spoils of the battle and really doubt the SGC didn't ask for half a dozen or so as their cut of the spoils. And with Teal'c and Bratac there, I very much doubt the Jaffa would have said no. It would have been awesome if The Battle of the Void, against the two hiveships that were making their way to the Milky Way. Happened at the doorstep of our galaxy with a trio of Asgard Upgraded HA'TAKs With the SGC insignia on the sides when to engage the Wraith.

Replicants: Thank you systems lords for all the tasty technomass!

"Fuck your kill death ratio." LMFAO that was too good.

The other thing the Death glider looks like the Klingon Bird of Prey and in Star Wars the V-wing Airspeeder.

Whats crazy is that in the movie it showed and stated that the pyramids were constructed as landing zones for the gold pyramid in the center of the ship, and we see one land. Given the scale shown on the first movie, the given measurement for thickness is wrong already just given further creadence that the show creators have no idea of scale for thier galaxy. Kinda funny.

The hyperdrive they have in the early series was incredibly slow (for a galaxywide FTL drive) something like 20 times the speed of light, so it took a year to get from Teal'c's homeworld to earth. They got significantly quicker later on. But for the most part they don't really need the ships to be super mega fast because of the stargates, some bunch of primitives gets uppity you just send a bunch of Jaffa through the gate and scare the piss out of them. It's only if they manage to bury their gate you need to go investigate in a ship.

I can't stop laughing about the countermeasures. It's like what happened near the end of BSG during the stand off. "FRAK!" BAM 🤣

We do see the "Super Ha'tak" from time to time, as Apophis' flagship after his first return from the dead (he uses it to blow away Heruor, and it is the one that get carried off to another galaxy and meets the Replicators for the first time).

Now I'm imagining a compitent British-themed Goa'uld with a decent Royal Space Navy... with the Ha'taks serving as escort carriers.

Steve confusing design for design cross franchise is too relatable, there have been so many.

21:50 Teal'c tried that. He tried _ramming_ a Ha'tak into an Ori Toiletship. The Ha'tak broke apart on the Ori ship's shield. The Ha'tak is a flying cargo boat, troop ship and gun platform. It does starship things by tying 'big engine' to 'big steel.' Note: It is so over-engineered for durability that it lasts for *milennia* and humans, ascended cheaters and robot locusts can chiptune the thing to be a viable warship.

It's durable though (hundreds of years) and is mostly used fighting none peer powers and internal conflicts/rebellions. I really enjoyed this episode.

The Ha'Tak was the cut out created in the Movie. it took sg1 3 seasons to finally break the pyramids

A British system lord would be hilarious. They apologize for interrupting your afternoon torture so you can sit down for high tea.

This was my first sci-fi show, it was the best part of getting home from school. Campy by modern standards but close to my heart. The stagnant galactic empire shaken up by unpredictable humans trope is surprisingly common, mostly in books, especially 80’s and early 90’s.

Steve stumbling through this episode even more lost than usual due to what sounds like a couple of days of sleep deprivation is endlessly entertaining.

To be fair The Goa'uld mostly just had to deal with humans where the sword was their most advanced weapon.

Accidental badass line "It's a sad life but someone has to do it."

Love to see the Stargate coverage, some SG: Atlantis and SG: Universe episodes would be sweet, maybe the galactic gate connection station

hilariously, in the early, early days of the show (when goa'uld still seemed powerful and scary) an early book gave one random goa'uld lord a hatak that could blow up a ceres-sized astrological body in one shot. I am not even kidding. Boy, there is a world of difference between what you'd think the goa'uld would be if all you ever saw is season one compared to anything after.

With some proper Tau'ri refits this thing could be vastly scarier. Add some missile tubes amd railguns and improve the shields and boom

This ship is a glass canon is exactly what it is. It’s devastating when there’s lots of them in orbit and you have no means to defend yourself but a Motum of defense you can shatter it like glass.

You are thinking about when Jack said: " The staff weapon is meant to INTIMIDATE the Enemy, the P90 is meant to KILL the enemy"!!!!!

30:48 Do get the feeling Steve is just thinking of Independence Day… actually Independence Day is kinda like Stargate Lol Alien threat cheesed to death

It's wonderful to welcome Steve back! Great to know that the scraps that roll off from the MAsters Table are as nourishing as the content you produce is to my soul! Look, if you at least compared the Death Glider to the "Alien Attacker fighter" from Indipendence Day, i would have understood it...

Steeve might be thinking of the V-wing from Star Wars, which yeah the Death Glider does have that shape. Granted pretty much anything with forward swept wings and two guns sticking out looks like a V-Wing. Edit: not the clone wars v-wing, the rogue squadron one. And the rogue squadron one is even an airspeeder, not a Starfighter.

The Ha'tak probably has escape pods like the little cargo ship the Tel'tak (the ones SG1 used to infiltrate the hellish moon Netu , where Sokar sent all his prisoners, in order to save Sams father). They just are never shown. The are crappy and probably only used by Jaffa since a snake would most likely ring aboard a cargo ship and escape that way. As for the cannons.... most of the 60 something of them are smaller AAA variety to shoot down fighters and bombers while the ship killer and orbital bombardment ones are located in those balls on the superstructure (pair in each ball so 24) and a few in the pyramid itself. As for the Death glider it looks like a Centauri fighter from Babylon 5.

Not sure if Ptah is the smartest or dumbest goa'uld for designing every vehicle his species uses.

In Steve's defense the deaf glider does look similar to the star wars v-wing speeder.

Always felt the Ha'tak was a terror weapon like most of thier designs, and those suck vs actual warcraft

In Season 6 Episode 17: Disclosure, at around 9:50 they have an image of a Ha'tak that actually shows that it is elongated. Can't unsee that now that you pointed it out...and yes it actually irritates me now. At least they have a point between the arms on that side however, and a recess on the opposite side with the equilateral triangle. Though what should be the front is actually the back...

Uploaded 34 minutes ago, POG. Please never stop posting guys, your content is informative and enjoyable, personal favouriate is your battletech stuff, but I've watched near everything and its all great. Super cool seeing coverage of the expanse and battlestar universes. And stargate too, loved that show when I was younger. Raining outside, late into the morning, chill video to listen to. Today is a good day.

Down with the Gods!!!

Man that background music gets me very time it’s used. Good old faster than light you are a gem.

TLDR: The longer you go into the vid the more you get exposed to THE CURSE OF RA that is this ship design

In my experience the space craft that most closely resembles the Goauld Deathglider ist the Centauri Sentri-Class Fighter from Babylon 5. Maybe Steve was thinking of that.

The gould (I know it's not the right spelling, but they don't deserve my respect) are so awful that they're kind of one of my favorite Sci-Fi factions. They're only advantage is sheer numbers because they reproduce like crazy & even then they still manage to screw that up by cannibalizing their young for lunch. They're so stupid, it's hilarious.

Can I just mention the other space Egyptian space ship, the Cairn Class Tombship. It has an actual four sided pyramid on it. Glory to the Necron Eternal Empire

Honestly, the first think the death gliders reminded me if were the alien fighter craft in independence day

steve the gremlin had been missed

It's like a cross between a star destroyer and a base star

Well, the Death Glider does look like the Centauri Sentri class Fighter from Bablyon 5.

For all its issues, one Ha'tak version has an impressive feat. The Apophis/Sokar/Throne of Damnation took on a Replicator infected Asgard ship after surviving a super nova and won. The Throne of Damnation is the one that tanked the super nova. Both feats in the setting ate impressive alone.

1:41 NOOOO, I can't unsee that. Why?

The cloaked Ha'taks were used for an ambush though. Apophis and Heru-Er were meeting in the minefield full of weapon-triggered mines for peace talks and when it looked like Heru-Er attacked Apophis with the mine SG-1 reprogrammed his cloaked Ha'taks blasted Heru-Er into oblivion and then protected his flagship from the mines as he left. And the Prometheus had pretty crappy hyperdrive speed before the Asgard upgraded it, the thing took basically an entire season to make it back to Earth after its' first hyperdrive blew up.

I have legitimately missed Steve’s “hello”

a lot of the flaws comes down to one simple overarching issue: Ego. Goa'uld ego is what caused them to become stagnant for thousands of years - usually anyone that was like "hey maybe we should improve our tech" was greeted with "you dare question the instruments of your GOD? off with his head!".

I wonder what the contest would look like between a ghuld fleet vs a wrath hive fleet

Thanks for the video

Nice to see Minecraft man back from the basement depths! Don't lose the key next time.

dont forget that for about 10,thousand year the the Taok'ra (I think that's how that's spelled) the "good snakes" had been actively sabotaging the Goa'ulds efforts to upgrade. its my head cannon that they are behind the design of the worst aspects of the Ha'tak. if that is what the writers intended or not.

The Jaffa are humans who have been altered with a pouch for the larval stage of the ghouls this gives the Jaffa immense strength, regenerative powers and longevity, and they become the foot soldiers for the system lords

I always thought, that if you gave me 10 years as a system lord i rule the galaxy ... THIS proves me right ^^ Just build a few good ships with existing tech from the HA'TAK and you win most, if not all space battles ;-)

The ship is symetrical. The dimensions do make sense. It is a triangle. Look, take a triange with all sides being 3cm long. Then measure its hight. It is not 3 cm tall.

Also looks like the Nod banshee fighter

32:16 literally the exact same ship I was thinking of.

I saw History of the World Part one with my parents when I was 11 years old.

Still nothing for stuff about Minerva battlestar or is it work in progress?

SCIENCE INSANITY: i beg you, please look at the Bill McCay books, a direct sequel to the OG film that concluded right as the show began. the Goa'uld suffer from FAR less dumb and lame. FUN FACT: there are no ancients at all in the Bill McCay books, as they predate that whole idea. BADASS fact: in the McCay books, Oneil regularly used whole armies with tanks, and helicopters, backed with any artillery that can be fit through stargates.

Ha, am currently in the middle of a rewatch of Stargate SG-1.

STEVE you were missed and thanks for torturing sci a bit haha

Yes, I believe the one system Lord that could handle the Asgard was Anubis and he didn’t fare too well especially if you find out that he’s some sort of bastardized half ascended ghoul and Oma and the rest of the ascended beings or at least some of them ones that had an actual spinestood up to him and took him out

Hard data about ships in a Science Fiction show or movie? That has always been a rare thing. The often can't even get the ship size on screen right. Given, that's gotten better since the introduction of CGI, but still. They rarely work out how the ships work in a fictional sense, how the engines, shields and weaponry would shape tactics. The showrunners and writers don't even seem to grasp how making that up in advance can be a vehicle for action and drama. And there is of course the limitation of the budget.

They have single man Escape Pods!!!!!!

Will you do a video about the destiny from stargate universe

Steve has been fed!

For Steve!

I thought the death glider looks more like a cylon raider from the original BSG, than a rommie wb.

Anubis was never a System Lord and he was the one who created those better shields that withstood that Asgard and in turn that Asgard ship was destroyed and Thor was captured, so yeah, Anubis, when he rolled up was bringing all kinds of upgrades across the board. He was basically the only one of them that ever seem to get crap done, but that's probably because he was half ascended and wasn't a worm anymore, lolz. The more you talk about this ship, the more I realize that you need to watch Stargate again, cause while I agree that these ships were essentially the big bad scary ships meant to be punching bags for the other factions once they got going, they don't get pushed around nearly as much as you're making it out that they were...

If your looking for something similar to the death glider, look up the Sentri fighter from Babylon 5

Yeah, the Go'uald definitely had technology stagnation. If the system lords would have worked together, they would have been more of a threat.

The first encounter earth (the planet not just an SG team) had with one (two actually), apophis and his kid rock up to earth orbit, Earth shove a naquadah (the weird mineral the stargates are made of) enhanced nuclear missile in their face. They easily survive.

Remember what Jack O’Neill said was this fact the Gould create weapons of intimidation the hatak was designed specifically to be intimidating to scare the hell out of you like the elcesh and the death gliders all were designed to scare the hell out of you. However, humans earthlings build weapons to win wars, so it doesn’t matter how impressive it looks. Oh look it’s that nice orbiting space station with that little dent in the middle that fires a super laser exhaust port open for proton torpedo principal, the shield are impressive until you get inside and then when you drop a couple of Grenades to destroy said shield generators well then you’re screwed that’s the point. The guld for centuries were un challenged except for the immediate squabble between system wards no one dared go up against them in a meaningful way and then you have this upstart forgotten about centuries ago showing up, and they start out class because they didn’t bring toys to scare the hell out of you they brought toys to win .And the the guld who had probably never faced a real enemy since dealing with the Asgard, do you know how to fight a real war therefore, you have a small problem on your hands you may have numbers, but when someone brings a nuke to a blaster fight the nuke is going to win

Thou shalt not besmirch Ma Deuce.

To be fair, when earth started bitch slap hatak it was because we had asgard tech. And anubis refit did take down an asgaurd ship and they had to bring in a stronger ship

I see the Hatak like the Zaku in Gundam; it’s a formidable weapon to face until you have something in the same weight class, then it becomes cannon fodder

1970's Cylon Fighter .

Yay! I actually love this ship. Yes it’s weak but for me it looks cool. Love SG1.

How about a fight between the replicators and the Borg?

In case nobody mentioned it, look up the Centauri fighter from Babylon 5. You're welcome.