Bart Ehrman is only a specialist in manuscript he’s not good for anything else. Thats his specialty. His arguments don’t hold up the scrutiny and are actually made by liberal lutheran German theologians before him. He just popularized them

Few do that.

This is his opinion not facts

Bart’s popular books are very different from his scholarly works. You paid Baden no compliment.

Baden is not saying david did not exist but the account in the bible is a spun version of somewhat historical events from which we can decipher what really occurred and give us a perhaps more accurate depiction of who david really was

The books from Joshua to second Kings were probably getting roughly their final form during the babylonian exile by what's called "the deuteronomist historian/historians", some anonymous guy or group of guys during the 6th century BC. But the various stories in all these books are probably much older, and some might very well be from some near contemporary of David. Also, 1 Samuel isn't based on a single source, it's evidently more than one source because the text sometimes presents different versions of the same story with contradicting details (just as so often happens in genesis aswell).

@@stoferb876 Agreed. Calling it Deuteronomist doesn’t mean it is from a single source, but it would limit how different those sources were. “The stories are much older…” or the stories have developed over time. The Flood story has changed a lot from other cultures

Lol I noticed that too. I wonder if they get these guest speakers thinking they will have interesting topics, then when they start describing the Bible for what it is, they immediately think “why did we get this guy down here?” 😂

@@billyjones2767 Nah they're Episcopals. It's not like he was talking to a bunch of evangelicals.

The stories are mostly Canaanite and Babylonian retold for a new group. It was a common way of telling stories in a new narrative. Whenever a group of people moved, they adopted the local stories for their own.

Exactly. A collection of stories.

he rejects the inspiration of all scripture and you call him brilliant????.....he does nothing but cast doubt on all scripture and the bible as an inspired book

@@imusmoedegrasse ....to you he is brilliant --- to me he is ignorant ---the devil could be said to be brilliant but consider his future

@@imusmoedegrasse Because I know my bible from 47 years of study, I have the guidance of the Holy Spirit and I have a degree in theology, and belong to a church consisting of 25 million people which has produced world class scholars . Baden is throwing out the whole bible as an inspired book that clearly shows the way of salvation.....to follow him you have to be ignorant of God.

@@imusmoedegrasse .............Let me clear up your confusion---- you will one day stand before God in the Judgement and you will be annihilated because you chose to be an unbeliever in Christ and the bible. Christianity is the only religion that offers salvation via atonement and Grace. This is what the devil wants you to beleive and you are believing it...and by the way there is no place as hell only a hell fire that annihilates the rejectors of grace, so a life without faith is a life without hope or a future - and you want to convince me of your wisdom...you will die the second death which is the death for eternity.. as you say, the bible can be interpreted many ways - but there is only one way to find its truth and without being born again you cannot see it, that is why Bader has his view , he is not converted as you may not be...but I will see at your funeral and then at the judgement where there will be no hope but Chrsitians who will live for eternity in Bliss...your choice...I suggest you read your bible with prayer and find Christ as billions have...all the best to you

@@imusmoedegrasse ........Don't forget Christ did not go to school, and then we have 12 fishermen who knew more about the bible and spiritual history and life then the Pharisees who went to Harvard...as I once read - your knowledge ascends high but it lands nowhere ...Bader and like Professors make a living destroying the bible but they are all wrong - as I said - intellectualism is the the realm where the ignorant can feel like gods.

Moses murdered one guy who was beating a fellow Jew. How does that compare to Muhamad? Where do you get that Moses had sex slaves?

@@bryansmith2649 It was in another lecture on KZfaq, sorry, I ought to have written down all the references but I was painting at the time.

@@traceyolsen308 This shows two replies. But only see one. why?

@traceyolsen308 Moses is a fictional characters who never existed he based on Sargon of Akkad. Muhammad was not a prophet his visions of the Angel Gabriel a fictional characters never existed is a evil lies 🤥 and the Angel Gabriel never told people's that Muhammad was a prophet and no people's never witness Muhammad talking to this Angel Gabriel all this in Muhammad head. This has been the case all through history humans made up theses imaginary beens and superstitious claims that never happened later progess into pagan religions all religions are pagan written by anonymous not some imaginary beens. Hearing voices in your head is not evidence for imaginary beens and their pagan religions book of fiction writing by anonymous authors. I say beens sarcastically instead of beings.

Who did Prophet Mohammed "murder"?? You searched and found people were murdered by him?? AND you people wants your today's cultures and values to be role model for other people's, ESPECIALLY people that lived almost 2000 years ago?? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

why would a church bring a guy that will change everything from lies to truth im glad but i dont think they knew who or whst this guy is.....lol

@@jesselong8971 Not every church has a strict literalist view of the Bible. And this guy studies the Bible for a living.

In Europe this is totally normal, and it's also totally in line with how all respectable institutions teach theology students. Just like you can know that none of your ancestors arrived in the US before the 19th century and still teach your children how 'our ancestors' supposedly experienced certain events that are now celebrated and 'remembered' with Thanksgiving, you don't need to close your eyes to historical truth in order to accept the Bible. Believing that everything in there needs to be literally true is making a category error. 19th century scientists had to learn this when they discovered the real age of the Earth and how evolution works, and they did learn their lesson. They shouldn't have been surprised, because it had been known for millennia that the Bible makes incorrect assumptions about cosmology; that the Earth is actually a globe. It is also obvious that the Bible is a collection of books of various genres. Sorry if I am too direct, but I guess everybody can see that reading scientific facts into an erotic love song from the Song of Songs would be just stupid. Why shouldn't other text genres in the Bible be similarly limited with respect to what they actually want to say as opposed to what is taken for granted? Biblical laws are another example where it gets a bit more tricky. A law may be just in its historical context if its purpose is to prevent slave owners from killing their slaves -- even if it takes slave ownership for granted. Trinity Church Boston seems to be Episcopal, which I gather is very European. This is probably where most Anglicans from Commonwealth states will likely feel most at home in the US. So I guess it's not as brave as it must appear to most Americans.

@@jesselong8971 LOL please

Hi there

I hear you on that. Sounds like he's addressing little kids.

Lol. 😂

_The poet is a liar who always speaks the truth._ The old testament is a fiction that reveals the truth.

@@l3eatalphal3eatalphaThis is a very Professor Jordan Peterson position.

Good point! However, give this man and the church that presented him credit, for a major step forward in the world of reality.

Huh? The two stories have nothing in common.

@@amaxamon Yeah I must have missed the passage where Jonathan was born as a half-animal person, had sex with a prostitute to become civilized, and then traveled the world fighting mythological creatures

The good old days when we went places and didn't give a damn about spreading diseases. Pop some cough syrup, take a fever reliever, go to church or work or the store. And we were fine with deaths from flu. Churches in my area were the first cases of norovirus every year, quickly spreading to nursing homes. @Oniweeki

They all died from a divine plague visited upon them for attending an atheistic lecture.

@@Auriflamme COVID 19..

You're ignorance is overwhelming!

@@davidjanbaz7728 kindly verify my post. Quick to hurl insults proves my point typical of brainwashed church zelots Find 1 John 5:7-8( trinity) ,7:53, 8:10 and Mark 16:9-20 in earliest koine greek new testament. Its not there... Find " Easter"( only in KJV). Hundreds of insertions modifications made. Isaiah 7:14 " virgin: in future tense modification versus Hebrew " young woman " in present tense. Ok have fun..

the hole book is bull shit is what he says

@@jesselong8971 Actually, the whole book is full of truth. You just don't don't understand the language. So, I'll give some clues. Jesus being born in a manger is fact and born of a virgin. How? Easy. A manger is a beehive. Look at the constellation Praesepe. It's called the manger / beehive constellation. Queen bees are referred to as Virgin queens. These queens give birth on the winter and summer solstice, which is also when cattle and deer typically give birth. Jesus translates to mean Earth Horse or Earth Pig / Hippopotamus. Hippopotamus translates into Water Horse. The Pegasus constellation, otherwise called Hippos is located alongside Praesepe during the winter and summer solstice. Unless you studied etymology and astronomy, a normal person or bad scholar would not understand what is written.

@@gkjeane2180 Yikes

@@gkjeane2180 lol yeah, no.

@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Yep

Do we have those sources? Where can we read them?

@@VulcanLogic But why would they just list sources that weren’t real? That doesn’t make sense

@@gianni206 Chronicles itself isn't even a primary source. This is like Paul's claim that 500 saw Jesus. We don't have those 500 claims. We just have Paul's. One claim.

its amazing how the bible moves nonbelievers the way it does,they discuss it more than pastors,and study it more than believers,Gods word is powerful He driving them to read it.

@@VulcanLogic They actually did have the claims of the 500 witnesses, just as they had the means, motive, and opportunity to retrieve them. In that same vein, the original audience of the Old Testament also had the means, motive, and opportunity to check the sources written for these books

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Learning about myths and legends is interesting. The problem is when people take it literally. Can you imagine if people still genuinely believed that Zeus caused thunderstorms??

There was no king David. Sorry, but not sorry. That part of the bullshit is just that bullshit.😂

there is only one king David in the bible all references are to him..acts 4. 12

​@@DavidKing-qd3sp No pagan isreal empire never existed Abraham moses Joshua David Solomon Jesus all the old testament patriarch are fictional characters who never existed and never wrote the old testament. Written by anonymous authors racist jewish scribes wrote these evil lies and racist literature. Jesus his disciples Matthew mark luke John Peter paul and the rest of then all fictional characters who never existed and they never wrote the new testament. Pagan zionist bible stories in the old and new testament are not true are evil lies. No pagan jewish imaginary been yahweh the name of a sumerian pagan god never existed. Evil genocidal racist maniac and supertious claims that never happened racist jewish scribes wrote these evil lies and racist literature not European pagan zionist bible is a book of racist zionist literature and zionist nationalism if any white European would have written that book it would have been banned.Jews are middle eastern Asian they can get away with it always said that the ethics races are the most racists.

Acts is bogus..bs😅

The tribe of Benjamin interesting. However, more interesting if true would be that this is the tribe that Mary Magdalene was from the woman who married Jesus and bore his kids.

He has a PhD from Harvard and a B.A from Yale... So probably from their, or peer reviewed scholarly sources. I'm sure his book has plenty of footnotes with reference to all manner of papers and book. Anyways, have a nice day

shelholl4moloweeatwh IIRC most are just *attributed* to David

the speaker says David is not very poetic, but he is....

janina873 the Psalms were lifted from the Psalms of ancient Egypt. Nearly word for word.

What evidence is there that they were written by David?

Attrubution yo important figures of the past is a common feature un many literary traditions. The psalms were most likely not composed by David, but by priests, female musicians (music was traditionally a feminine craft), poets, etc. Others were reworkings from past works (Psalm 29 was probably a psalm about Baal). So authorship is multiple and varied, and therein you find the wealth, in polyphony, not monologue.

You worship ceasar, and serve him and the empire. Critical thinking is not your thing

The Holey Babble clearly states Satan is the ruler of this world, even though for the LORD of LORDs to be that, then Satan can only do what he is alowed to do. Birth defects, anyone? Odd God.

LOL 😆

Why not?

@@davidpolk6373 I have enough to answer for by myself. I don't need any more flack caused by these preachers

@@charlesphillips5723 Don't worry you won't be Either will they

@@charlesphillips5723 There will be no "judgement day" even if Christianity is true

Judgement Day is a Zoroastrian concept that worked its way into Judaism when the Persian Empire defeated the Babylonians and inherited the captive Jews. Before that moment in time "heaven and hell" did not exist, but was introduced into the later text under the influence of the then State relgion Zoroastriamism. Unlike Judaism, that only took a handful of concepts for Zoroastriamism, Christianity literally pillaged and plundered the Zoroastrian faith for ideas to create their own version of god. I wish people would read more, and sound less like scared children, afraid of the big sky daddy that's going to murder them, if they don't love him back.

It's Goliath. And, Goliath isn't a person. The entire story is the calculation and measurements for a pyramid in Egypt known as the headless pyramid. Of course, you probably wouldn't know that since you don't know how etymology and prophecy studies work. Don't worry though. The majority of the world has lost the ability to translate the ancient language of the stars. See, the ancients would assign star constellations pictures, such as Orion having a belt, even though it's a group of stars. Goliath happens to be one of the ancient constellations along with David, whose measurements were used in the making of the previous mentioned pyramid.

@@gkjeane2180 "citation needed"

@@erimgard3128 The story of Goliath revolves around the mentioned calculations. He was 6 Cubits Tall, and wore 600 shekels of armor. The formula for force is F = MA, with gravity being 10 Newtons. Mass = 600 shekels. Acceleration = distance squared X gravity = 36 or 6 squared X 10 = 360. 600 X 360 = 216000 joules of work. 216000 joules = 1 hour of work for a 60 watt bulb. 1 hour is the calculation for the destruction of Babylon. 6 Cubits is the height of the headless pyramid in Egypt. 6 cubits is also the radius from the center to each side of that pyramid.

@@gkjeane2180 He wasn't 6 cubits tall. The earliest versions say 4 cubits. The story was exaggerated much later for dramatic effect. And your calculation is complete nonsense. Not to mention, why in the world would Jewish scribes use a giant's height as a secret formula to calculate a pyramid that was built like 1500 years earlier. None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

Like...you HAVE to be trolling with all that stupid bullshit, right?

Sorry, Jesse I beg to disagree. Religion is just a tool. A hammer that can be used to build or kill. WE choose to follow "Love one another even as I have loved you" or "I come not to bring peace, but, a sword". That book is so malleable it can be used to justify every human impulse; good or evil.

It's all checkerboard freemasonry duality , that's all that is allowed to exist or be remembered in society

So how do you, something other than human?

Let me guess. We're supposed to read the Bible through God's eyes? Through the eyes of "faith"? With our hearts? Or maybe, just maybe, we're not supposed to read it at all, but, rather, just take your word for what it says because everyone that doesn't agree with you is a "mistaken rookie". Arrogant much? Classic!

@@dennisbast743 settle petal. This chap wouldn’t have dedicated his entire life to the academic study of this book if there wasn’t something significant about it. But trying to read it as you would a modern day page turner is a typically ‘human’ trait and frankly a ‘rookie’ mistake. For a clever guy, he has made a botch of his analysis of Genesis as well. And the mistake is making conclusions on reductive generalisations. AND I might add I am addressing this issue from a secular rather than blind-faith based perspective. One needs to have a methodology of approaching the hermeneutics of any text, even more so this , probably the most significant book (yes even secularly so). One doesn’t have to be of the faith so to speak to have an understanding of the stories which are in the context of a singular narrative of the ongoing relationship between an almighty creator and his creation. And, it invariably involves utterly flawed characters such as David. Discard the bible if you must either as an article of faith or as secular fairy tale, but don’t seek to understand it on one hand, and set such feeble parameters for same on the other.

Why do you believe there is someone sitting in heaven?

@@Glasstable2011 why do you fail to believe the Son of God has spoken? "All who hear Truth hear my voice."

@@AaronGlenn88 do you think it’s possible for someone to think they are hearing God and be mistaken?

@@Glasstable2011 To finish what I shared earlier "All who hear Truth hear my voice " -jesus To which Pontius Pilate responded, as you have also responded...as we all once have .. "What is truth?" Child, Do you not yet perceive? What do these words speak to you spirit? Read them out loud. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

@@AaronGlenn88 those are words I’ve read before many times. Reading them is not enough to believe they are true. Why do you believe they are true?

Churches like this are for people who are unable to deprogram all at once.

What you've written is evidence that the hardline fundamentalist inerrancy doctrine has made de minds of non-believers as well. It's not as simple as "true" or "false", the Bible was never meant to convey undisputable facts, but a deeper message about God and his interactions with humanity. This kind of reasoning won't do any good, even our current science is incomplete and subject to mistakes and will probably be bettered in the future. So throw everything away because it isn't perfect?

@ and what you’ve written is evidence of delusion. To say that it “was never meant to convey indisputable facts is not true. Where do you think we even get the idea that these books are inerrant? It’s from the religions’ claims themselves. And you talk about it being meant to convey “a deeper message about god and his interactions with humanity.” Which is utter nonsense. Every religion claims that (once they’ve been disproven by science) it’s all about creating a “deep”relationship with god through allegories or some such nonsense. If they ALL claim this then it’s just deism. And saying it’s a “message about god and his interactions with humanity.” Just baffles me because the science already shows this interactions to be false. We absolutely know there was never a worldwide flood. We know Adam and Eve did not exist as presented by the Bible. If they didn’t exist then why does hell and death exist? And The exodus never happened. In what measurable way did this god interact with humanity? My type of reasoning does A LOT of good because it’s how we counteract the evils of belief in religious dogma. For example, the only reasons people are against abortion or gay marriage or teaching evolution are religious. Even slavery and racism were religious concepts until secularism fought them. In reality, believing false things won’t do any more good than not believing them. Please do explain how believing is better than not believing. What is something a person who has a false relationship with some assumed god can get that an atheist can’t.

David Alroy.. Is the david that basically took over king david

This is looking at the bible scholarly in breaking down the story of David and analyzing what the text says, and not a religious sermon

The Bible is a collection of books, letters and stories from a long stretch of time. Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 was a warning regarding Mosaic law given to the Israelites. Proverbs is a collection of wise sayings of the time, with additions by Solomon who was the son of David who the speaker is talking about, along with "The Words of Agur", and "The Words of King Lemuel of Massa". So here we are, you have taken every book, letter and story in the Bible, grouped them together and used verses out of context to defend the literalism of every word as divinely inspired. This is the danger of literalism and fundamentalism, it attempts to shut down debate and stifles the growth and knowledge that comes from that debate.

Gabe Moore The professor is teaching false doctrine. It doesn't matter if you believe in literalism if you don't know how to read correctly. The guy teaches that man was created on the same day as woman when man was made on the 5th and wasn't placed in the garden until the 6th. King David was exactly how the Bible described because was one of the men that fulfilled the role of the 8th king of Revelation 17.

gkjeane if you read genesis, there are two different accounts of the creation story! One by a priestly source and the other by the j-source!

Elaine Moore Yes, let us read Genesis. Read every single verse with a changing of the day. Notice how it says and the evening first and then morning. Evening doesn't come before morning unless they are referring to the dawn of a new day. In other words the first chapter only discussed the first 5 days and ended at the dawn of the 6th. Genesis 2 starts from day 6, so you are wrong to say they are 2 stories. Chapter 2 literally starts the dawn of the 6th day, so it is a continuation.

What are the best examples of contradictions?

Think of it as a detective would solve a crime. If you discount the gospels as myth and move on to other evidence from non-biblical sources like, Flavius Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, Thallus, Lucian, celsus. They all have excellent accounts of Jesus, but it takes homework to find it. Still not convinced, archaeologists have found evidence of the Pool of Siloam, [ Jesus healed the blind man] and many other findings. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain a good portion of the Old Testament, which have a ton of prophetic evidence about Jesus. I could go on and on, but never blame your unbelief on a lack of evidence. One last point, people will believe everything about Alexander the Great but question the validity of the Bible. Which one has more evidence?

@@glowheat4469 Alexander doesn't claim to be God, that's the main difference

By that logic nobody from a western country should study Asian or African history, right? No historian from Egypt should study the Aztecs? Or no historian from Japan should study the American war of independence?

Peer reviewed sources please!!! Actually curious!!

Sources? Let’s see your evidence.

@@mglenn7092 The evidence is there in the museums of Israel, you'll have to go visit, if you want the truth. Remember Israel has returned to the land just as the prophets of Israel (in whose lineage King David also comes) have prophesied.

@@rundaniel8221 been there suspect relics are not real scholarly evidence. It is entertainment for tourist. The last 30 years has actually pushed the academic community farther away from the historical existence of King David.

The black sheep of the house of Israel . NEVER HEARD OF EM. Israel is supposed b a light to the world. I think yall missed that one.

I find it distressing when the descendants of victims of slavery turncoat and adopt the false religion of their ancestors' owners. In doing so, they sell their forebearers down the river. The term "Uncle Tom", an Americanism I've learnt, comes to mind

Have the read their stories? I certainly don't want to be identified with these sociopaths.

“Black people” I don’t identify with any race of people because that isn’t something we decide at birth and has no impact on my personality/actions. Americans started the movement of Black to unite against oppression, you can stop now since systematically there’s no way a race can control the government like they did in the past. The Black movement is only used now to line the pocket of good old George S

Pligga, nease!

Learns numerous ancient languages, goes to most elite universities on earth for bachelor's, master's and doctorate. Becomes tenured professor at Yale. Classic lazy superficial approach Joel Baden did here.

No pagan jewish imaginary been Jesus never existed Warned peoples beware of false prophets MATTHEW 7-15. Yet falsely prophesied his return second coming of judgment day 2000 years ago CE MATTHEW 16-27 28 never happened it's evil zionist lies 🤥 pagan zionist bible stories in the old and new testament are not true are evil zionist lies racist jewish scribes wrote these evil lies and racist literature in the pagan zionist bible not European it a book of racist zionist literature and zionist nationalism if any white European would have written that book it would have been banned.

Or just legit research in various fields…not mere blind acceptance (of myths)