However, if you combine Painter's servant with Grindstone you can one-shot your opponents entire deck.

However, if you combine Painter's servant with Grindstone you can one-shot your opponents entire deck.

However, if you combine Painter's servant with Grindstone you can one-shot your opponents entire deck.

@@SomeOfTheJuice However, if you combine Painter's servant with Grindstone you can one-shot your opponents entire deck.

However, if you combine Painter's servant with Grindstone you can one-shot your opponents entire deck.

Millstone is the most referenced trading card of all time, whether the players know it or not

Naming blue also let's you pitch more easily for FoW right?

@@SuzukaYuka Exactly. First Legacy deck I ever built back in 2009, and I used it that way all the time :)

idk man i thought it was a stupid mechanic... rogues are a tribal deck. tribal decks win through going face with dudes, pumped up by lords. Mill does not help going face.

@@ich3730 Sure it might not be everyones thing, but personally I enjoyed seeing some diversification in how a tribe plays.

As soon as he said that I had to go check to see if I miscounted and AFR wasn't rotating out.

Woops.

Maddening Cacophony is also rotating out, as is Ruin Crab. So the deck is basically dead on rotation unless they print a couple of new Mill spells in Dominaria United onward. :P Eh, mistakes happen.

Yes, I realized this just before it went up. Some how my mind was thinking "prison" and not "mill" about those decks, when it is of course both.

you can one shot your opponents deck

One of the most beloved and overrated cards hava

The original ten for one!

wife serves you divorce papers with a copy of endurance attached because you play mill

Seen this exact comment on a few other videos from a few other people

@@theomnipotent9402 well, I guess I should be honoured, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The section in single brackets is a quote from my comment on a CGB video. I felt I need to add the Alchemy part even though it’s not as amusing. Just cuz I hate Alchemy.

@@puritendius perhaps it was yours I saw, small world

Yes, it sure can. What's your point? Haha

@@NizzahonMagic the way you mention it in the beginning it sounds like you can only mill your opponent. You do mention later that you won't talk about self mill decks in this video.

This video is about Magic's competitive history, so yeah -- no mention of EDH strategies.

Really only ever used successfully in self-mill decks.

I generally have a good idea about the decks, but I do usually learn something in doing the research.

I always think that perspective is silly. Mill itself isn't any more busted than anything else. In fact, your opponent tmilling you is just as likely to help you draw your best card.

@@NizzahonMagic With all respect, I think it's partly that you've been playing the game for so long, and played so many games, that you've forgotten what it's like to be a new player with only a couple dozen games under your belt. I started about three years ago. I'm fine with Mill now, and even agree with you that it's just as likely to get me to my win condition as anything else. That doesn't mean that it wasn't an unpleasant lurch to see that $30 card I spent money on go to my graveyard with no way to get it back, or to watch three separate win cons disappear and draw a land the next turn, or listen to the obnoxious little giggle that every single Mill player without fail gives when they see that happen. I like you, dude. You know the game very well, clearly and obviously love it, and are in it up to your eyeballs. Just... remember that lots, lots more people are simply dipping their toes into Magic, and that many popular deck archetypes feel more like nibbling piranhas than enticing "let's get better!" encouragements. There's a reason that Flesh and Blood started to get so much traction, and it's because Magic has many fundamental flaws. If it hadn't been First, and thus had that inherent advantage, Magic would have died like so many MtG clones.

@@delathenleso5793 I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with new players feeling that way. It is definitely something we all have to learn to understand. Milling seems way more powerful as a new player for sure. I just think characterizing magic as "unfair" with mill as an example isn't what players learn from experiencing mill. I think in the long run it teaches you about variance more than anything. There are also plenty of more established players who hold the view that milling is somehow unfair or unethical, and when it is people who have played for years, it really makes me scratch my head.

@@NizzahonMagic *shrug* fair enough ^_^. There is a definite - and growing - divide between competitive/constructed 4-of players and casual (usually Commander) players in the game. This divide only grows worse over time... and I hold that mill is one of the strategies that encourages the divide, rather than reconciling and trying to bring all players together. I don't necessarily think that we do _need_ to make competitive Magic fully accessible to every single person, because that's impossible, but when the direct response I hear many times to "hey, would you like to borrow a Modern deck and join us in a quick casual tournament" is "no thanks, I don't play icky Magic," then I think there might be a long term problem.

I never said rouge mill. I did, however, say rogue mill.

Sometimes you do win by mill.