The History of the ICE

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The History of the ICE

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As a spiritual sequel to my earlier History of the TGV video, we now cast our eye over its German neighbour, the InterCity Express or ICE Train, a high speed passenger operation that, despite a rough start, has now established itself as one of the most sophisticated forms of travel in Europe.
Special thanks to Willy Kaemena for allowing me permission to use his fantastic footage from the ICE train's demonstration runs in the United States during the summer of 1993, and I thoroughly recommend you watch his original video which can be found at the following link:
• 1993 Amtrak's ICE Trai...
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References:
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@lillywho 3 жыл бұрын

There's a surviving ICE-TD trainset repurposed as what they call "Advanced TrainLab". It's equipped with a whole array of sensors and equipment to test systems like ETCS on branch lines, if I remember correctly.

@JakobKsGarage 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Never knew the rapper Ice T took his name from a train set 😎👍

@DanielJacksonMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Is this real or fake?

@mebsrea 3 жыл бұрын

Not only that! They named an entire beverage after the train.

@skydiamond8705 3 жыл бұрын

No it fake their trying to make you watch the whole video

@googlehomeboi9975 3 жыл бұрын

@@skydiamond8705 do you know the point of a J O K E

@skydiamond8705 3 жыл бұрын

@@googlehomeboi9975 yes I do know just warning people so they don't lose their mind looking for it in the video

@fabior6025 3 жыл бұрын

It was all serious until the ICE T became the official name of a train set. Somebody was paid to name that 😂😂😂

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

No, since we don't pronounce it like the English word "ice", but just say it letter by letter, it's not funny in Germany. Which goes along well with the stereotypical lack of humor that we Germans suffer from. :-D

@itmkoeln 3 жыл бұрын

DB even calls these I - C - E (and other operators were ICE service run on calls these I-C-E as well like the services to Brussels, Amsterdam, Paris...)

@erikgag 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact it was First called IC-T wich is InterCity Triebzug (intercity Multiple unit) just weeks eralier it was renamed to be an ICE

@neiloflongbeck5705 3 жыл бұрын

No, the Eschede crash was caused by the use of resilient wheels which have a rubber section between hub and tyre. These wheels are common in low speed applications, like trams and were in BR's Class 86/3 at speeds on 100 mph which were in operation from 1980 until around 1990, when the wheels were replaced and improved suspension, as used on the Class 86/4 (thus move was due to standardisation). I'm not aware if any accidents for the Class 86/3 due to the use of these wheels. The ICE 1 used resilient wheels to improve the ride quality that monobloc wheels gave.

@Locomotiveman1994 3 жыл бұрын

That is absolutely true. After the Eschede accident, DB was looking into replacing these wheels with monoblock ones, (which I think they even did, my memory leaves me on this) but they found that those where prone to cracking, and so did not provide a viable alternative.

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

@@Locomotiveman1994 Sorry but I think you are incorrect if you are saying that the ICE still used resilient wheels after the Eschede accident. I'm fairly certain they went back to using solid steel wheels for best strength & toughness. As clarified by `Tilman Ahr' elsewhere in the Comments regarding the reason for the accidient :- `There were some issues with the new (resilient) wheels not having been tested quite extensively enough before introduction, and wheels that were found out of specification at an inspection shortly prior to the crash not having been replaced'.

@Locomotiveman1994 3 жыл бұрын

@@Martindyna I did not say that DB continued using resilient wheel sets. I said that monoblock ones did not provide a viable alterative, due to their risk of cracking. As far as I'm aware, DB replaced the resilient wheel sets with "classic"(standard) rimmed wheels in the end.

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

@@Locomotiveman1994 Sorry i did not understand the distinction between `monobloc' & "classic"(standard) rimmed wheels. I imagine that modern railway locos no longer have metal tyres like steam engines used but again I'm not sure.

@Locomotiveman1994 3 жыл бұрын

@@Martindyna Most don't. It was common practice up untill the 80s, from which point onwards most locos use monoblock wheels. The thing is, most locos only go up to 100mph/160km/h tops. The ICE with its ability to go beyond 125mph/200km/h is not most locos. I'm not an engineer, and don't work with the ICE trains, so I cannot guarantee that what I'm saying is 100% accurate. The Eschede accident is now more then 20 years ago, and now there are monoblock wheels that are able to withstand the high stress that high-speed running puts on them (although still with some considderable restrictions).

@RashMonroe 3 жыл бұрын

In 1998 my family took a trip to Disney and we rode the Sunset limited from Houston area to Orlando. Somewhere along the route we passes one of the Amtrak ICE trains. I loved trains, and knew about the ICE trains.. but was shocked when we passed one down in the south. Always been curious as to why it was down there.

@844SteamFan 3 жыл бұрын

Experiment/Tour. There are some videos on it. Amtrak had 2 European High Speed Trains come over to get data for the Acela.

@RashMonroe 3 жыл бұрын

@@844SteamFan oh I’ll have to look them up, I was 7 at the time and it really surprised me to see one. And it was just by chance that I was watching out the window when we passed it. Had to be part of a tour or something because there was no logical use for electric/high speed in the south in on the Sunset limited line back then.

@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 3 жыл бұрын

I think you got the cause for the Eschede accident backwards. It was the full metal wheel that caused vibrations, but the supposed solution that caused the derailment: a ring of rubber inside the wheel.

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

The CAUSE of the derailment is clear, as you say. The reason the ICE derailment was so deadly when the Eurostar TGV was fatality free was the absence of jack-knifing AFTER derailment due to the shared bogie design of the TGV, and catastrophic jack-knifing and pile up of the ICE.

@mikeblatzheim2797 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 Then again, I'm not sure if a TGV would have stayed in one piece if a bridge fell onto it. Which was the reason why the train jacknifed at all.

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeblatzheim2797 It wouldn’t have hit the bridge if it had the shared bogie design. It would have remained rigid and come to rest further down the line. Look into the TGV Eurostar derailment at the same speed to get the point.

@mikeblatzheim2797 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 There's the important matter of a switch being involved, which catapulted the third carriage into the bridge supports. The TGV's shared bogie design wouldn't have prevented it from derailing there (since it would be passing a 60kph switch at over 200kph), and it's the switch that caused the carriages to crash into the bridge pillar. And I doubt that the train not jacknifing would have helped when hitting a solid pile of concrete; instead of a jacknife you'd probably end up with some telescoping. I'm sure that an argument can be made as to why a Jacobs bogie setup is safer in some situations, but that wouldn't be the case here. The design flaw that caused the accident was the type of wheel used, and even with a broken wheel rim the train didn't derail until it hit the switch, where the broken rim forced it to change paths.

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeblatzheim2797 In each of my now several answers, I have never stated the Jacobs bogie would PREVENT the derailment. Clear? My point has always been this one: the Jacobs bogie would maintain the train as far more rigid unit AFTER the derail (3rd time I”m saying this now), as it did in the Eurostar derailment at 250km/h in France.

@Yannickclae 3 жыл бұрын

Metric please :)

@Dave_Sisson 3 жыл бұрын

Those imperial units are confusing, I'm still not sure how fast the train was, so speeds in kph would be appreciated.

@EPS_Productions 3 жыл бұрын

I've noticed some errors: 1) The ICE record of 1988 was beaten on the 12th December 1988 by the TGV PSE set n°88 reaching a top speed of 408.4 km/h 2) The Acela Express sets are not derived from the TGV Réseau sets but from the BB 36000 locomotives Finally, at the end of your videos, 2 of your photos have become obsolete: the ICE 3 MF sets lost their authorization to run in France in 2015 and the ICE 1 are not authorized anymore in Switzerland since December 2020.

@russellgxy2905 Жыл бұрын

I'll make an arguement on the second point. The Acela was based on the TGV Réseau in terms of being a trainset, but the powercars are based a little closer on the BB 36000. Granted the BB 36000 has a much clearer influence on the HHP-8 locomotives, which themselves were intended to be locomotive equivalents to compliment the Acela

@theBlack-- 3 жыл бұрын

Since you mentioned the Baureihe 103 would it be possible for it to get it's own video?

@lillywho 3 жыл бұрын

9:58 As far as I remember, the problem was actually that the wheels _weren't_ actually made from a single cast iron piece and that's what killed it. The wheels had rubber put into where the tires connect with the wheel, which was supposed to solve the vibration problem. A solution that's common with tram and light rail vehicles. However it turned out that the solution couldn't hold up at high speeds. Passengers noticed the train was running erratically and notified staff, who told them there was nothing to worry about. Mere moments later, in an instant a tire split away from its wheel and actually **pierced** its way into the passenger compartment. Having been deformed so much that it even lost its circular shape.

@tilmanahr 3 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall that they lengthened the intervals for servicing/refurbishing/replacing those wheels a fair bit beyond the original specification because they thought there was enough safety margin built in (which there wasn’t) or something. Hm. Gonna have to look it up again. Could be mixing two different accidents.

@tilmanahr 3 жыл бұрын

Ok. Not quite that.There were some issues with the new wheels not having been tested quite extensively enough before introduction, and wheels that were found out of specification at an inspection shortly prior to the crash not having been replaced.

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

@@tilmanahr Interesting.

@johnkeepin7527 3 жыл бұрын

One of the features of the ICE 3 set is that it is actually possible for passengers at the front end to see out ahead, rather like old-fashioned diesel multiple units. Some years ago, I travelled from Frankfurt to Brussels Midi on one like that, before the LGV -Est line was complete beyond Aachen. On that journey, there were 5 different signalling systems that it had to be compatible with - 3 on the DB, and 2 on the SNCB on that day!

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

The ICE-T units have/had the same feature. Unfortunately the glass divider between the passenger compartment and the driver's compartment can be tinted electrically and In the recent past I have seen many trains with a plastic film applied to the glass that makes it look like frosted glass. You can still see some silhouettes, but that's all.

@johnkeepin7527 3 жыл бұрын

@@Colaholiker So it was in the ICE 3 I travelled on, depending on the drivers choice. They didn't all do it - quite a few crew changes en route.

@Filo428038 3 жыл бұрын

Compliments for all your videos, I was astonished to see the picture at around 3:00: it shows the TEE Mediolanum (Milan-Munchen) formed of a DB 111 class loco and Italian FS TEE coaches with a combined luggage/generator van in first position.

@CreRay 3 жыл бұрын

111, not 110

@NJTCOMET 3 жыл бұрын

Great work! Id love a video on the history of the BR slam door trains of southern England, such as the Class 411,12, 15, 16, 21, 22, 23 similarly how you did the Networker video.

@noname6562 3 жыл бұрын

Mate, can you use the metric system? Like almost all of us. Including Germany...

@joeyvampirowellsteed 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I would love to see an episode on the history of the Shinkansen system in the future.

@JohnnyCZistaken 3 жыл бұрын

[excited railfan noises]

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyCZistaken While waiting for that, perhaps would you like to try this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipl8f8qrtMW0on0.html

@Humuku 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for not being afraid of using thecrazygernanwordconstructions. Regarding the ICE 1: In passenger comforts and innovation (displays, audio, seats, toilets, sound insulation, ride quality) it was well ahead of its time and you always had the feeling of "screw the money, get the best".

@andysedgley 3 жыл бұрын

The almost limitless compounding of nouns in German is hilarious!

@andysedgley 3 жыл бұрын

"Kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtversicherung"

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

ICE 1 - still my favorite train to this day.

@O.Burger 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, good information. But every time you call it an "ice" train instead of an I.C.E. it sounds like your reading an wiki page. I know it's very common for English speakers to call it an "ice" train but it still sounds strange

@GrandTheftChris 3 жыл бұрын

ICE in English means Internal combustion engine and is pronounced I.C.E. Hence why they call it ice-train to differentiate the two.

@O.Burger 3 жыл бұрын

@@GrandTheftChris Understandable but they don't have to do that., you can use context to see if it's about a train or an engine

@lundimardi1975 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, no German I know would ever refer to it as the 'ICE TRAIN'. It's an 'ee-tseh-eh'!

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@lundimardi1975 And Germans will find it ironic to call it "ice" when the air conditioner breaks down too frequently on hot days (specifically DB Class 406).

@tech83studio38 2 жыл бұрын

"ICEE"

@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 3 жыл бұрын

Could you include metric measurements too? Thanks.

@andysedgley 3 жыл бұрын

No.

@lundimardi1975 3 жыл бұрын

In fact, considering the only countries in the world still attached to mph are US and the UK, could you just ditch the outdated measurements altogether, please?

@andysedgley 3 жыл бұрын

@@lundimardi1975 No.

@runoflife87 3 жыл бұрын

Such an amazing video, thanks a lot. In Russia we had our own high speed train called ER200, but this one proved to be inreliable and hard to repair. We also were told by the press to get next generation high-speed train called ES250 "Sokol", but the project was closed because of financial results.

@844SteamFan 3 жыл бұрын

rip

@highvoltageswitcher6256 Жыл бұрын

Russia is probably commercially unsuited to high speed rail due to the geographical separation of its major population centres? True HSR (155mph or 250kph+) needs big population centres of multiple millions ( which Russia has) with separations of around 100km to 600km (60miles to 360miles) which Russia has few population complexes which fulfil both criteria. Japan probably has the ideal set of geo-population features for HSR followed by France, Germany and China. The United States also has few of these ideal conditions outside of the Washington DC-New York-Boston North East Corridor.

@oliverthegreatwesternengin8029 3 жыл бұрын

Just a quick sidenote. The name ICE is actually spelled I. C. E. You would never hear a german call it the ICE train.

@gkjsooley 3 жыл бұрын

A German would never say "Eye-C-E" either. Germans say "E-Say-A."

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

Rightly so, because DB Class 406's air conditioner breaks down too frequently. Ironic for a train named "ICE 3".

@olivermacke838 3 жыл бұрын

Another reason why you should not call it "ice" train is because of the ridiculous amount of times the AC fails on hot days.

@844SteamFan 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@Genius_at_Work 2 жыл бұрын

They are designed for up to 30°C only. Given that the Deutsche Bahn removed almost all Switch Heaters, it is now designed for a Temperature Range from 0^C to 30°C, which is good enough for about 300 Days per Year. It's cheaper to just go with the resulting Chaos on the remaining 60 Days, than it is to design a Rail System that can function Year-round. Mind you, the newest ICE 4 Trains are now designed for up to 32°C to improve Passenger Comfort. The highest Temperature ever recorded in an active German Train is somehwere around 65°C btw.

@SeverityOne 3 жыл бұрын

My pet peeve: the Netherlands, not Holland. There's a difference.

@dmv5552 3 жыл бұрын

I agree, there is, but for most non-Dutch people the two are essentially interchangeable - perhaps Pays-Bas would be a better compromise!

@SeverityOne 3 жыл бұрын

@@dmv5552 Holland is a part of the Netherlands, like England is part of the UK. You don't go to Edinburgh and tell them that they're English either. Interchanging the Netherlands and Holland is denying the cultural differences that exist between the West and the rest of the country. There are differences in religion, regional languages and history.

@dmv5552 3 жыл бұрын

@@SeverityOne I still agree but in America, for example, many of the natives think England does include Edinburgh and are gob-smacked when you tell them differently. What is worse is when people feel that London is the totality of the UK and we in the outer reaches (Devon) are in some rural backwater of no significance. I suspect that there are many in the Netherlands who feel the same when people refer to Amsterdam as the only part of the country with any importance because that is the only place they have heard of; although sensibly the Dutch have kept politics (The Hague/Den Haag), finance (Amsterdam) and commerce (Rotterdam) further apart than we have in the UK.

@richardcrossley5581 3 жыл бұрын

@@dmv5552 I see that in Asia as well.

@SeverityOne 3 жыл бұрын

@@dmv5552 That's more happenstance than anything else. The Dutch didn't even have an official national anthem and flag until well into the 20th century, and Amsterdam is the official capital only because of a side note in the 1982 (!) constitution. Amsterdam is fabulous, but not representative of the country as a whole, and very religious areas are within cycling distance from it. Not to mention the bible belt... I'm originally from one of those backwaters, sandwiched between Belgium and Germany, so that's why "Holland" bothers me. I share little with Holland, other than nationality. Different language, different religion (not for me, but for the region), different history.

@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, baby. More trains! Pan-European high speed network next. Or first do some other national high speed networks and then international.

@moose_ringo9161 3 жыл бұрын

Good video, but it's pronounced I.C.E. instead of ice. Excellent video all the same!

@markcousins9337 3 жыл бұрын

Well Bom-bard-Eee-A is pronounced Bomb-bard-deer, but you say potAto, I say potARto...

@mrknex007 3 жыл бұрын

Bombardier is actually both an English and French word, with different pronounciations in each language - as the company is Canadian, the French pronounciation would technically be correct. ICE also isn't a word, it's an acronym, in the same way you would say "h-m-r-c" instead of "humruc" Still a really interesting video! 👍

@paulekstorm-hughes1894 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrknex007 well, if we're going to be picky (apparently we are). It's not an acronym, its an initialism. Acronym being a word pronounced from an abbreviation, and a. Initialism being an abbreviation where each letter is pronounced. Laser and PIN are acronyms. HMRC and ICE are i initialism.

@mrknex007 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes very true, I flawed my own argument!

@re57k 3 жыл бұрын

Icy? I see E?

@spikeymike2191 3 жыл бұрын

It's not an "ICE" train, it's an InterCity Express - pronounced "eets zay ay" in English.

@hedgehog3180 3 жыл бұрын

Really just I-C-E since it's an acronym not a word.

@KelvinFTDIU-StandardGaming 3 жыл бұрын

I try to spell it like a German spelling it but ended up with spelling that “ECE”.

@user-he1rn5uu5w 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it's an acronym. You also pronounce TGV as "tae jae vae" ?

@KelvinFTDIU-StandardGaming 3 жыл бұрын

I just pronounce “TGV” normally.

@QuadMochaMatti 3 жыл бұрын

In American English, I would pronounce it as "Eye Sea Eee". Not sure what kind of crazy English you're speaking, unless you really meant Deutsch.

@alexlents4689 4 ай бұрын

The ICE 3 has to be one of the best looking trains ever. The slanted headlights and the way the side windows of the front car curve down to emphasize the streamlining are dope, but it’s still personable and fairly simple unlike the later ones.

@jakovich1364 3 жыл бұрын

Ive been looking forward to a video on the ICE trains love the video. Keep up the incredible work

@Deepthought-42 Жыл бұрын

👍Thanks for posting. The simple red and white livery of ICE trains look SOOO much better than the fussy liveries of some of the competition.

@maestromecanico597 3 жыл бұрын

Very well done, sir. As an aside, I did ride the ICE in 1993 Metroliner service; best prime rib I've ever had.

@aston-martin-internationalist 3 жыл бұрын

Having travelling on the German ICE trains, they're some of the best. Leaps and bounds above anything here in the UK. Only trains I've traveled on which are superior are the Shinkansen.

@hedgehog3180 3 жыл бұрын

tbf almost everyone except the US has better trains than the UK.

@GDGRailway47712 3 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 Even the USA has the Acela sets and I think they've been superceded since. Now, if the government had held their nerve in the 80s with APT we might have had a better network than we do now.

@Frserthegreenengine 3 жыл бұрын

@@hedgehog3180 Not all UK trains are terrible. The HST, IC225, Class 390s are great. But that's really it. The new Class 800/801/802s are a mixed bag, the LNER Class 800/801s are supposedly very good while the GWR ones are pretty dire.

@Frserthegreenengine 3 жыл бұрын

I prefer the TGVs to the ICE trains. But that's just my opinion.

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@Frserthegreenengine To be fair, France benefits for having significant distance of dedicated high speed lines. ICE trains can only reach their top speed in French territory.

@mikeblatzheim2797 3 жыл бұрын

A really interesting film and well researched, but I can't help feeling that hearing the German words at least once before you tried speaking them would have been very beneficial. ICE for example is pronounced by disconjoining the individual letters, much like you would say other acronyms like EU or HS2. Of course some of the longer words are quite difficult to pronounce if you're not used to them, but even I as a native German speaker was unable to understand most of them. Flashing them up as subtitles might have been helpful too.

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I kind of see it the same, but since I guess he doesn't speak German at all and knowing that our language can be quite tricky to pronounce, I give him cretit for the attempt. Especially with those typical German words that stretch over half a paragraph. ;-) I am sure that if we tried to pronounce words like this in a language that we don't speak, we wouldn't sound any better.

@mnsegler1 3 жыл бұрын

Yes I thought the same as an American who speaks German. Kudos as I could understand the German words you pronounced although they sounded strange. This is an excellent and very informative video for anyone and especially for those of us who have enjoyed riding these fast frequent trains for 35 years.

@danielr.l.mccullough600 3 жыл бұрын

Wait, you say UNESCO as U N E S C O? Everyone just calls it Unesco

@nsl_black8053 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah like he did for TGV

@staycgirlsitsgoingdown2 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard people call the ICE train both the I C E and ice. People say E U not eu because eu as a word just sounds like U, and saying H S 2 is the only way to say HS2 because there’s no way to say hs2 as a single word. As long as people understand what your referencing i don’t see a problem

@graugaarddk 3 жыл бұрын

Really nice documentary... I would so like to see one on the Danish IC3 trains that was also sold to Sweden and Israel. They were introduced in 1989 I think and are still in use today

@tillythegreatdane2072 3 жыл бұрын

I squealed with joy seeing g this as I have my morning spliff and tea you're voice and your videos are so good !

@Rich-on6fe 3 жыл бұрын

If that's your thing, I'd recommend watching it at half-speed. Actually even if it not, try it. It's funny.

@tillythegreatdane2072 3 жыл бұрын

@@Rich-on6fe I’m literally going to try that As I can’t sleep

@Rich-on6fe 3 жыл бұрын

@@tillythegreatdane2072 Put down the phone and step away. Maybe even turn it off.

@tillythegreatdane2072 3 жыл бұрын

@@Rich-on6fe I got a Zoot and cup of tea instead

@fordson51 3 жыл бұрын

Another spectacular video. This video and the TGV are great mini docs. Do you think you will make one for the TEE, the pre curser to all international rail routes in Europe?

@ronik24 3 жыл бұрын

Again a great video! :-) Just one thing: nobody says "ice". It's "I.C.E.".

@victoriacyunczyk 3 жыл бұрын

Krupp and Henschel: Don't mention the war.

@GrandTheftChris 3 жыл бұрын

Messerschmitt: What planes? We are building trains now.

@victoriacyunczyk 3 жыл бұрын

@@GrandTheftChris Henschel: Forget those Tigers.

@MRG09100 3 жыл бұрын

I know you might think it's because these trains seem to be ice gliding, but it's actually I - nter C - ity E - xpress Thank you.

@spartan117zm 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if Germany had instead opted for a network of maglevs. That would’ve been rather cool as well

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but sooo expensive to purchase & install. Also presumably energy greedy since you have to lift the train off the track at all times when the train is moving.

@stevieinselby 3 жыл бұрын

Why did they call id ICE TD waste the opportunity to call it ICE-D T ?? 🤪

@rubenvo3627 3 жыл бұрын

because it´s not pronounced like that and it is inherently logical to call the D (Diesel) Variation of your T (Tilting Trian) TD.

@joshuabellezady6675 3 жыл бұрын

@@rubenvo3627 It's a joke lol

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuabellezady6675 In the first place, that will fly over sweaty German's heads when the air conditioning breaks down again.

@johnpinckney4979 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! How about videos on the first national developments of diesel-electric locos? (EMD 103, LNS 10000, etc.)

@OwenConcorde 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this! This is my most favorite European high speed train.

@Frank-mn4hx Жыл бұрын

I've traveled in the ICE a few years back. I traveled by ICE to Köln Hb. From there I traveled by RE5 to Remagen. And I traveled in The Netherlands from Arnhem to Deventer, Zwolle and Amsterdam by the ICE. The train was diverted because, the fierce storm that entered The Netherlands was causing a lot of trouble for NS. And the International trains.

@justuslm 3 жыл бұрын

10:39 The ICE 3 is not generally also known as the Siemens Velaro. While some of the internationally sold variants that are developed by Siemens only look like the "standard" ICE 3, the BR 403 (or its multi-net variant, the BR 406), such as the Velaro E or Velaro CN, the BR 403 and BR 406 are a combined project of Siemens and Bombardier, and thus not referred to as Siemens Velaro, or Velaro at all.

@user_698 3 жыл бұрын

I am huge train Fan but I also really like history!And the Main Companies wich were producing Weapons for Germany were:Krupp (Guns and Stell),Porsche(Tanks),Messerschmitt (Planes),Henschel(More Tanks).So That's a big change of the factories and Companies!I really enjoyed this Video,you did it really good!

@scanida5070 3 жыл бұрын

Not really ;) Krupp and Henschel were already famous for a couple of brilliant locomotives. A wonderful example being the Class 010.

@mj1234321 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I got to ride aboard the ICE 3 on the new Frankfurt - Cologne route and a few other routes back in 2003. Unfortunately that was pre-digital camera for me, so I didn't get any video footage. Hope to go back one day!

@obelic71 3 жыл бұрын

Trains based on the ICE4 are now in service by Eurostar. The London-Paris trains run already the London- Amsterdam, London-Frankfurt via versa service would have started already but due to covid it was put on hold. A merger of the Thalys trains into Eurostar is also being talked over to create a modern TEE network and reduce short inner european flights. BA, Airfrance/KLM and Lufthansa would be a part of that consortium.

@mikeblatzheim2797 3 жыл бұрын

The Eurostar trains are actually based on the Siemens Velaro D, which is the second generation of the ICE 3. There isn't really any relation to the ICE 4

@obelic71 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeblatzheim2797 my bad, correct the first velaro trains where based on the last generation ICE3 are the E320 Eurostar trains are based of that velaro platform. the heads of the ICE4 are very simular to the Eurostar and there are way more ICE3 with the old head then new head

@Genius_at_Work 2 жыл бұрын

@@obelic71 That would be the second Generation of ICE 3 Trains. The ICE 4 has nothing in common with the Velaro Platform, and wasn't even designed to be an ICE at all, hence it so much less comfortable than the other ICE Trains. Originally, it was intended to replace the Locomotive-hauled IC Trains, but DB renamed it to ICE, partially for marketing Reasons and partially because they want to abandon the IC Brand soon, calling all their Long Distance Trains ICE.

@tobys_transport_videos 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating!!! I'm an Australian based railfan and have been to Germany three times since 2018. I've taken quite a liking to the various ICE trains as well as many of the other passenger trains around the country. In a land where 160 kmh is considered "fast' and "fast enough," even getting to 200 kmh is quite something, but feeling a train accelerating to 300 kmh and achieving it, is quite a thrill! 😍

@xott99 3 жыл бұрын

Ngl, I’d love to see a video on either the Baureihe 103 or the history of renfe Ave

@raphaelnikolaus0486 3 жыл бұрын

More generally, I can tell you that I quite like your explanatory (train/vehicle portrait) videos. Very sufficient, well told, and educational. Also, nice idea adding in some of the German terms in this one, although 1) I don't think this is generally necessary, and 2) I feel you added a few too many. Apart from this (and what I commented before), it's actually a great video. Videos I have already watched before this are: Blue Pullman (on 18/01/21), Networkers (04/02/21), Routemaster (on 07/02/21), and 1938 stock/Class 483 (on 17/02/21).

@ultragoji3358 3 жыл бұрын

I got to ride the ICE during its North American Tour in 1993, from Washington Union Station to New York. It was nice.

@scanida5070 3 жыл бұрын

Since you’ve made a video about the ICE, would it be possible to do one on it’s “little brother” the IC (Intercity)?

@lundimardi1975 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see that history from the original loco-hauled ones to the new IC EMUs.

@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381 2 жыл бұрын

4:05 No, the German Federal Railway (Bundesbahn) is much younger, it was founded in 1949 and even it's predecessor Reichsbahn in 1919 after WWI. They already tried with the Prussian state railways in the mid 19th century but it was still very fragmented by smaller railway companies. But in 1835 there was the debut of the Adler (=Eagle) locomotive made by the Stephensons (prior to this there were already some developmets but this was the breaktrough) so 1985 was the 150th anniversary of German railway (they titled it as "150 Jahre Deutsche Eisenbahnen"). You should also mention that the ICExperimental was the first high speed train driven by AC motors, another predecessor of the power cars is the DB class 120 which was the first locomotive built in large scale with variable-frequency driven AC motors (prior to this there were some diesel-electric prototypes and decades before but these AC locomotives used multiple overhead lines).

@NSE465 3 жыл бұрын

Lol he says ice. Ice ice baby.

@GintaPPE1000 3 жыл бұрын

Something worth noting about the Chinese Velaro: the original CRH3 was designed and built by Siemens, with some kits being shipped to China for local assembly, but all the major pieces being built abroad. Subsequent CRH380B, 380BL, and 380CL sets were joint-venture designs with Chinese manufacturers designing the carbody and interior and Siemens retaining responsibility for the traction components. Most of those trains were still built by Siemens, either directly through facilities in China, or subcontracting by Siemens to other firms (in and out of China). After that, CRRC dumped their joint venture with Siemens and copied the technology to build the current CR400 FuXing series, since they couldn't export the 380B and 380C series abroad when Siemens still owned the technology. You'll never hear them admit it, but the traction sound of the CR400 series is identical to a Velaro, so who's really fooled?

@neilbain8736 3 жыл бұрын

I used the ICE when I got a cheap flight to Frankfurt and only discovered while reading my LetsGo Germany, at 37000 feet somewhere above a Cathedral town possibly in Belgium, that I wasn't going anywhere near Berlin after all. So I got a Eurorailpass, used an ICE to Berlin and had a wonderful time.

@frankkoops2509 3 жыл бұрын

Are you American?

@JBFlytography 3 жыл бұрын

Is it not I.C.E for intercity Express, rather than Ice? Love the vids mate, would love to see more BR stuff in the future, but still brilliant all the same 👌🏻

@rmpll 3 жыл бұрын

"Quality Services" Its not like every 3rd Train is minimum 6 minutes late. But mostly more

@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but that's due to the infrastructure, not the train.

@rmpll 3 жыл бұрын

@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 thats actually not true, the ICE 4 EMUs are causing problems left and right and are also a big reason for delays

@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 3 жыл бұрын

@@rmpll ah, ok. But the DB has a history of delays much older than the ICE 4. So I guess it fits right in :/

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

@@rmpll And they are the most uncomfortable trains I have ever ridden on. As a German who does quite some travel by rail (well, not so much in 2020, but in the years before), I actually check what type of train is expected to be on that service, and if it is an ICE 4, I choose an alternative.My favorite is still the first generation, even though they don't look like they were seen in the video any more, they got an interior refurbishment years ago and are scheduled to get another one to extend their life for another couple of years.

@rmpll 3 жыл бұрын

@@Colaholiker würde ich jetzt nicht behaupten, ich finds recht bequem, aber ich find auch ne holzbank auf langstrecken bequem ^^

@Pensyfan19 3 жыл бұрын

Great review of one of the best high speed rail systems in Europe.

@andiganagata5224 3 жыл бұрын

Another amazing video, Well done!

@andrews_trains_125 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please do the history of the Electrification in Australia and to more pacifically the state of Queensland which was the once the largest electrification projects in the Western world

@peterhaan9068 3 жыл бұрын

But only when the wind blows!

@_SimOke_ 3 жыл бұрын

Very good video, but one thing bothers me You've used miles and miles per hour only Please use both metric and imperial next time

@timosha21 2 жыл бұрын

Choo choo! I'm a train and I approve this video! 🚂

@schore69 3 жыл бұрын

please... its i.c.e not ice... is an abbreviation for inter city express

@Sanginius23 3 жыл бұрын

regarding the Problem with the ICE 4: after many trains were already in service they discovered some minor Problems with the weld of the traincars. Not a Security Problem but Bombardier (who produces the frame in Poland) had to Change the production process and was not allowed to deliver for some months. More than 50 ICE 4 out of the order for 137 Trains are in service now. They ordered 37x 7 cars, 50x 12 cars, 50x 13 cars

@Drockthe3rd 3 жыл бұрын

What about the HST of Britian?

@Mikethrawn 3 жыл бұрын

Great job! Can you make a video about the BR 52 german loks ? :)

@SilverScroll 3 жыл бұрын

It is a shame there are so many factual errors in this, given the pleasant production quality.

@endospores 3 жыл бұрын

I've travelled in many EU high speed trains (DE, CH, A, IT, ES, FR), and also in Russia and Turkey. I find the I.C.E. is the one I like to ride in the most overall. Nice episode.

@markcousins9337 3 жыл бұрын

ICE, ICE Baby too cold, too cold...

@flippop101 3 жыл бұрын

As always a superb, well researched, structured and punchy presentation. Just a constructive comment though, the subject of the film is not an Ice train, but an I.C.E. Appreciatively, Germany.

@beagle7622 3 жыл бұрын

I live in Australia,but saw one in Paris when I was going to London. Australia’s effort to build high speed rail is well zero. We have a very bust airline corridor between Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane. Parts of Melbourne Sydney are slower than 85 years ago .

@christophersambrelizarazo 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@erik_griswold 3 жыл бұрын

The USA’s Acela train used Alstom TGV power cars and Bombardier LRC passenger carriages.

@limeyfox 3 жыл бұрын

It’s an I-C-E not ‘ice’.

@IGuessIDoThings Жыл бұрын

10:20 ok that just looks so insanely bizarre

@Loretta2004 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Than you. Also for trying to get through Bundesverkehrswegeplan and similiar tongue jerkers of my beloved language at the speed you speak anyway! :-) ICE by the way is abbreviated for InterCityExperimental/Express and is spoken - at least in Germany - in three letters, not as a word...so Aye-Cee-ee (or in German: Ih-Tseh-Eh)...but most English speakers make ice of it.

@sheevone4359 3 жыл бұрын

12:00 and to Chur as well now

@Elibuwu 3 жыл бұрын

Has been part of the network for quite a while

@crazyjack3653 3 жыл бұрын

Really great Video

@pepejuega267 3 жыл бұрын

History of the AVE when please?

@thomasgabler3476 3 жыл бұрын

Small correction: BBC is Brown *Boveri* & Company, not "Brown Bavarian Company". BBC later became ABB and was never located in Bavaria.

@johnny5805 3 жыл бұрын

I hadn't even heard of the German HST ! I saw the title and thought "Oooh it's the Chinese super train !".

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

The Chinese just cloned the ICE and bought the Transrapid. All Euro technology.

@MrJimheeren 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 they bought Euro technology, nothing wrong with that

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJimheeren They bought it once to reverse engineer it. Now people call it Chinese HSR technology. Just giving the history and the credit to the originators.

@MrJimheeren 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 Siemens still delivers a lot of parts to China for them to built their own trains. China has more high speed rail infrastructure then the rest of the world combined. Of course they are going to built the trains themselves. Siemens and Alstom are not even capable of building all the trains China orders they simply don’t have enough people to built those things. But they still get a percentage for every train built. It’s a pretty good deal for both of them

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJimheeren Sure. I’m not even German. I’m just giving the development credit where it is due. Germany, Japan and France for the développement. China is clearly champion of the roll-out at massive scale.

@bjoernaltmann 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting! But just a note: It’s not called ICE as in “ice”, but I.C.E

@TheElDoctoro24 3 жыл бұрын

@Mighty Monkey yeah you’re right must be very easy to pronounce German names perfectly with little to no research, good thinking!! 🙄

@trainluvr 3 жыл бұрын

I think it is simply a matter of him not hanging around multitudes of other railfans, rather immersing himself in the tedium of doing research and producing videos for us lazy bones.

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

It is also very ironic to call it "ice" for a train (specifically DB Class 406) with unreliable air conditioner: breaks down too frequently on hot days.

@tgw9740 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video. Loved using ICE on visits to Germany!

@Zveebo 3 жыл бұрын

nICE

@frankkoops2509 3 жыл бұрын

Part of this information is incorrect! Please make sure to read the replies and know that Enschede, the Netherlands and Eschede, Germany are not the same place! the Dutch city where the crash happened was the impossible-to-pronounce Enschede. Amsterdam is the capital of the same country: the Netherlands. Although Holland is a part of the country (quite like how Delaware is part of USA), calling the entire country Holland is the same as saying Miami is a city in Delaware. I can forgive the mispronounciation of Enschede although you could have at least written it correctly. For the rest it's great, I enjoyed watching this :)

@namewarvergeben 3 жыл бұрын

The crash happened in a small town called Eschede (no N) in the east of Lower Saxony. The Dutch city of Enschede had its own catastrophy in May 2000, when a warehouse full of fireworks caught fire. "Eschede, Niedersachsen" and "Enschede, Niederlande" are easy to mix up, admittedly.

@frankkoops2509 3 жыл бұрын

Goodness, I had no idea, thank you for correcting me! I'm sorry! To make sure nobody gets misinformed i've added a small update above my post =)

@Cenn_Devel Жыл бұрын

0:09: 5:45, 5:46, 6:18, 6:25, 6:26, 6:43 (basically too many to all include here): It’s pronounced “I-C-E”, not “Ice”. (Or is it not?)

@mrrolandlawrence 3 жыл бұрын

n-ice :)

@jfkastner 3 жыл бұрын

took an ICE in 1992 from FRA to STR, they had a phone booth, called my sister at 160mph, couldn't believe it ;-) but typical for german gov project over budget, and late ... like BER ...

@scanida5070 3 жыл бұрын

But if ICE 3s aren‘t allowed in the Channel Tunnel, why not use ICE Velaro Ds? After all: They are practically the same like the brand new Eurostars, right?

@ewaldliebegut9463 3 жыл бұрын

Having enjoyed your 'The History of the ' series, could you perhaps do a 'The History of the AVE' next?

@raphaelnikolaus0486 3 жыл бұрын

"The InterCity Express or Ice train" - you didn't figure (if you haven't already heard elsewhere) ICE was the abbreviation of InterCity Express, thus being pronounced I.C.E. and not "ice"? smh

@neilforbes416 3 жыл бұрын

Riding an *ICE* train would leave you *cold!* LOL

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

Ironically they are usually too warm inside (unless you end up in the few parts of some trains where you can still control the temperature as a passenger).

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@Colaholiker DB Class 403 has a terrible reputation of air conditioning breaking down too frequently on hot days. Ironic for a train named "I.C.E. 3"

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

@@dbclass4075 I think the difference there is that many ICE3 trainsets have a different type of air conditioning system. It doesn't use a classic refrigerant, but by compressing and expanding air, much like the air conditioning packs you would find on an aircraft. Something pretty uncommon for a rail vehicle. However, Deutsche Bahn is known to have issues with the air conditioning of every type of vehicle in Summer, mostly due to cost cutting in maintenance. :(

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@Colaholiker Airplanes can use that type of air conditioner because it is very cold out up there. In fact, cargo planes need to HEAT their perishable goods to keep it in ideal temperature. Down to the surface, you need to be in Antarctica to achieve the same result. Seriously, there is a reason why classic refrigant is the primary method for cooling in any places where you don't need to fly. Trains are no exception.

@Colaholiker 3 жыл бұрын

@@dbclass4075 I know that, but a bunch of the ICE 3 are equipped with that kind of cooling system. Don't ask me why the decision was taken. But you can clearly tell the difference when standing next to an "air condition hump" on an ICE 3 at the station. The classic heat pump units only make a typical fan sound, while the air cycle machines have a high pitched turbine whine. Maybe they thought it's better for the environment, as even though modern refrigerants no longer attack the ozone layer, they still are pretty strong greenhouse gases, so in case of a leak... who knows

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

“The ICE, unlike the TGV, being un-articulated, provided greater flexibility in being able to add and remove cars.” - AND makes it much more dangerous in a derailment. Several high speed TGV derailments have occurred without deaths or serious injuries due to the articulated / shared bogie design. The ICE crash was so deadly precisely because it lacked this articulation and folded in on itself at the couplings.

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sid483 One was a Eurostar travelling at 250km/h when a hidden underground WWI trench collapsed due to torrential rain. I’m sure you would have foreseen and remedied that however.

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 That Eurostar, is it E320 or BR Class 373?

@lours6993 3 жыл бұрын

@@dbclass4075 The original TGV derivative Eurostar train set, not the later E320 which is a Siemens ICE derivative. In fact that deal was quite a scandal as they changed the Eurotunnel safety standards which demanded a continuous corridor, end to end, of the 400m train set with fire doors to maximize fire escape capability. This requirement was removed in order to chose the Siemens train over the Alstom TGV offering. Let’s hope no-one has to go to jail over unnecessary fire deaths.

@dbclass4075 3 жыл бұрын

@@lours6993 BR Class 373. To further clarify: only the fire door requirement is removed. All other standards are met.

@MissDatherinePierce 3 жыл бұрын

A Germany to Britain connection would have been awesome. I really don't want to switch trains at a foreign station so I will stick with planes but if there was train service I would have used that

@Keckegenkai 3 жыл бұрын

its insane what a missed opportunity the transrapid was, seeing now that the chinese perfected the system what was originally a german concept

@davidawalkerjr2905 3 жыл бұрын

China bought their sets from Siemens, they were not produced in China. Again Trivia: The Width of the Transrapid Guideway was set so that a set of Standard Gauge (1.435m/4'8.5") Rails could be laid on the Guideway to facilitate shared Paths into Urban Centers.