haha thanks Russell, sadly true by the looks of things :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Badly managed ! You think they have qualified managers ? More like Muppets !

I feel like that is the current state of a LOT of companies these days.. The "shut up and buy our product" approach never works. They need to start learning to treat their customers better.

Which is amazing given that they used to be the ones making trash

the 68s are fantastic

And thus Bachmann Branchline will grab all their tooling as they control sales in Australia, New Zealand, America and Britain

Provided that Dapol delivers at the quality of the GWR Mogul and Manor, not the Terrier or SECR D Class

Hornby owns Dapol

Yeah absolutely - they have a history of some amazing models, hopefully that isn't all in the past! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Rails of Sheffield haven't stocked any new Hornby items for a few years now! They had a falling out over something or other and now they are no longer a Hornby agent/stockist.

@@SamsTrains I'm not sure why you moan about this product to be honest, mine is in perfect working order and the box was so well packaged it had about 3 layers to get through to get to the loco itself! Not all are great I can admit, but mine sure runs so smoothly and well - I guess that's because mine runs on a layout and not carpet so you can't really judge a locomotive that hasn't even been run in and on carpet. You're far too picky with picking out all the smallest little details when it's not needed.

@@jordanorriss4784 "mine was fine therefore everyone else is wrong"

@@jordanorriss4784 Did you receive your Hornby apologetics bonus yet? First, this is the second hush hush Sam ordered and it wasn't packaged and shipped by hornby themselves. The first one was and it's packaging was a disgrace. Second, the carpet hasn't got anything to do with it since all other models are tested on the exact same carpet layout and the way any loco runs is compared to those. Not your loco's on your layout. Third, Picky? Smallest details?? How is a warped cheap plastic running plate, glue marks and wheels not even touching the rails picky on a £254.49 model loco!? It's all about value for money and Hornby is simply not delivering in that department with the hush hush.

haha I don't blame you - plenty of other manufacturers to go at, most of them offer more for your money! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Acurascale seem to be doing a lot more

At the moment I am fed up with hornby and their ridiculous price ranges there supposed to bring new modellers in not drive them away. I will continue to buy the pre owned and the older model but sorry hornby until you drop the prices I will not be buying from you

If I may add something, the older Hornby models are definitely good. The GWR Castles, SR Bulleid Q1s, LMS Patriots, and LNER J50s are definitely fantastic models that are high performance pieces. I've had my Q1 for nearly two decades and it still excels at any task I give it. If you are going to buy any Hornby models, I recommend Ebay. There's a lot of pre-dystopian Hornby and I think you'd be pleasantly surprised if you got your hands on them.

@@danielannett1019 yeah same

Yes it doesn't make sense - they outsourced the distribution I believe, but that's no excuse... they're responsible for the condition in which their products are sent out! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@@SamsTrains It actually does Sam. It's the same strategy that video game companies use when they release an unfinished game to get people to buy it based on hype only to patch all the problems with later batches. It's essentially using their consumer base as guinea pigs to work out the kinks in their model and to save money on paying testers. It's a sleazy, despicable business tactic to be sure...

Thank you! And those are good points - particularly on the box art! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

haha thanks very much, you have a good one too! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Glad it's running okay for you Paul, but the breakage certainly isn't great :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

At least Hornby supply them, unlike Bachmann who seem to be stuck in the stone age regarding this feature.

Thanks Nigel - I do like the Hush Hush and wanted a good running one... got what I wanted in the end, but not greatly impressed. They certainly will have to improve, urgently! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

I met the guys from Accurascale today at a railway show in Milton Keynes, they are very humble down to earth people, i asked them about the hush hush and a class 52, class 08 and a class 43 HST, i hope to god they produce the HST first, the railway model world is crying out for a accurate 00 gauge class 43, like their Deltic's and class 37's and their wagons which are out of this world in my humble opinion.

OOh that's a good point - thanks so much for the info, duly noted! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

In her short life prior to rebuild in 1937, the W1's front end altered so much that it's a more complex history than even Bulleid's tenders...

haha me too - it's about time!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Very glad to hear that Rob - but yeah, should have done better for what they've charged, as usual! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Some people have thrown away broken models instead of using them for spares. When I moved to N gauge, I sold off everything, even the old failed or damaged ones for spares. Unfortunately a lot of old and damaged ones get thrown away. But the 2nd hand market and toy fairs are always a great idea for getting spares. EBay is too expensive now for picking up individual spare parts. But it’s still possible to get that elusive but.

Thanks a lot Jim - yeah maybe a little bit, but certainly acceptable! Price totally ridiculous though of course, Thanks for watching - Sam :)

I don't blame you at all - these really aren't worth the money in my opinion! And me too... quite amazing xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Thanks Brian - at last a keeper! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Rapido or Accurascale may be a shout tbh.

haha that would be awesome - reckon they could probably match Hornby on price too with some effort... sadly Hornby might have saturated the market with their rubbish model, so they'd struggle to justify it most likely :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

That'd be amazing - I've heard Kato is quality! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Oh yes. I'd buy that even though I'm not a British person!

haha thank you!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@@SamsTrains thanks for making great content! -Albert =]

I hope so too - the last thing I had delivered from them wasn't much better if I remember! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

Thanks a lot David - and I will have to take a look at that, thanks!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

The rear cab wheels are very easy to get down to track level. Unscrew the axle keeper plate and add small rectangular layers of copier paper acting like shim washers (with a small clean hole for each screw thread) until each axle's wheels just (& I mean just) touch the track

@@andrewdking for the price you should not have to. Send them back so Horby loses money because they are not worth it. Much better producers out there

@@Evilminiature but not of the Hush Hush there isn't. That's just cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. My Rebuilt W1 Hush Hush is a fine model with just the rear wheels needing attention. No big deal, but agree they maybe could have come up with some floating axle design which uses wheel flanges. Note, Bachmann's very very expensive new V2 also uses a rigid rear end with flangless wheels

haha probably salvage, but it's not clear cut. Derails sure are professionals - rarely a problem with them!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

NOT a Hudson: she's a 4-6-2-2 (the two trailing axles are in separate frames...

Broadway Limited or Bachmanns upcoming NYC Hudson? BLI had not done the NYC hudson in a while although they are coming out with the Commodore Vanderbilt Hudson in early 2023.

@@gilbertporter4992 never said it had to be bli

I'm really sorry to see that too - they do make some great locos, but they seem to get lost in the overpriced stuff :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

@@SamsTrains Get lost, that is what they say to the customers they priced out with those prices...

It's especially funny to myself as an American as several of our manufacturers have made various HO 4-6-4 Hudson locomotives recently and not one has floating wheels like this. Hell, even my 1970's Rivarossi NYC J-3A doesn't have this issue! It's completely unacceptable.

Our prices are after tax always (20% VAT) to bear that in mind while comparing.

I bought one of the precedents and I had the same issues. I wanted one so much that I rebuilt and rewired it, negating the warranty but at least it runs VERY nicely now! The traction tyres need to go, the tender connection needs to be made permanent and the pickups need to be carefully tweaked. Also, there are some models where the coupling rods foul the underside of the footplate. I filed away a bit of rough casting on mine and no issues at all now.

Its good to hear of others enjoying our trains! A real shame- both Hornby and Bachman are both unreliable and this is why these reviews are important. I recommend avoiding the hype trains and wait for reviews that are not access media (free early access, free models etc)

@@farric1 I fully agree with you on the No.790 'Hardwicke', I did about the same work as you did. The first problem was the setting of the decoder, luckily I bought the decoder at "The Signal Box" in Anstey near Leicester. When I got back to Belgium and after I'd build in the decoder, at the moment you only got to one on your power increase, it flew off like a rocket. Never ever got that problem before. So I phoned the shop up with the idea that they sold me a bad decoder, but it seems they encountered more of these problems, so they walked me through the settings, and the problems was solved, top guys there at "The signal Box"👍. Next problem was that it falter when it started to run, so the shop gave me the advice to run it in, but the problem was stil there after running it in. This was not the shops fault, but pure a clumsy factory mistake at Bachman. Opening it up, there was so much grease used, that the electric contacts couldn't conduct properly. After degreasing everything and putting much more tention on the contacts it run 10 times better. The only thing I still have to do are replacing the rubber wheels, and then it should be hopefully ok. But it's a real shame that a fresh out of the box and expensive model shows so much problems.🤨

@@dannyvanstraelen3273 mind you, I'm on DC only atm. But if it's rough on DC it's gonna be worse on DCC.

My Dublo Cardiff Castle is OO 4mm to the foot. How did you get yours in HO? But you’re right about the metal on it. I think all the Triang competition were plastic e.g. their Britannia. My 2-6-4 standard tank 80054 also has a metal body but my little Southern 0-6-0 tank 31337 is plastic.

@@gordonhardwick5151 maybe I'm wrong about scale, AFAIK Is HO with 16,5 mm of track between rails. Or Is a 00...?

@@gordonhardwick5151 I'm pretty sure is a edition for export. Is an H0, not so popular in Britain.

No way on earth...let's not kid ourselves... This is a few mass produced components slung into a plastic case with a bit of detailing ... Made in China and no doubt fully automated...if hobbyists continue to buy them at such high prices they will never bring prices down, they are high as they are well aware that in 20 years they will not have folks left with cash to spend on this hobby. "Make as much now, whilst we can" - Hornbys new slogan? Lol 🤣 just look at the price of new track and you can work out from that the type of margin they work to.

Ahh sorry to hear that Robin. Agreed, Bachmann are too expensive, but at least they deliver a quality product these days (for the most part). Thanks for watching - Sam :)

That’s very good news Mike - just as it should be! Glad you’ve had such a good experience, Cheers, Sam :)

Hornby will probably knock up a purple hush hush and sell it for £400!!!!!!

@@StormmyStormmy that would be awful, just plain disgraceful, disgusting, and despicable!

This so very interesting - I wonder if they have modified the chassis? The front bogie certainly didn’t cause problems on this new example for me!!

@@SamsTrains I first noticed it on the rebuilt one I bought, it didn't catch on the same set of points. I suspect they removed about 1 mm from the mounting. As I said, Hornby said it was the same chassis, they could have updated the design of the chassis when they realised they had an issue but only implemented the fix after they made the first batch. As you know with CAD it is so easy to do. Anyway good video, I like watching your videos they are funny but very factual and informative, thanks.

It is very cool isn't it?? very true!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)