When I used to play Arma3 with a hardcore realism group I used to play standing at my desk, wearing a weight vest with 8-10 kgs and do pushups on my balancing board if I died. That got me playing pretty smart.

Heroic stuff from provoke. It's a shame it ended in that jumpscare.

21:21 The second grenade you threw bounced off the top and landed short. These games are getting nice and immersive.

Even though tarkov is definitly very punishing when you die, the way players move and behave certainly hasnt achieved the goal. People do all kinds of arcadey shit like jumping out of windows 2 stories down quickly pop a med and then run around like nobodies business

Coop with good AI is the best way to have realism and immersion.

Realistic games usually fall into the trap of very low TTK. For some reason, no bullet spread and 1-2 shot kills have been the standard in tactical shooters since the early days of the genre. But neither of these features are realistic, nor do they promote realistic gameplay. IRL, marksmanship under stress is very difficult and accuracy is much worse than on the range. The issue is, players in a video game aren't under any kind of stress, and games don't have punishing enough spread and sway. A lot of tactical shooters don't even have any bullet spread or sway, or let you "hold breath" to cancel sway (which is not how that should work, lol). IMO games should make gun sway worse under fire to simulate this. As far as I'm aware, not a single tactical shooter does this. IRL, people don't usually die in one shot either, especially in the modern day among soldiers wearing rifle-rated armor. I think tactical shooters need to focus less on respawning right after dying, and more on receiving treatment from your teammates. Squad and Arma both seem to do this well. "But if TTK is high, then won't it just turn into COD?" This is where punishing death comes into play. Small arms may be much deadlier in tactical shooters than IRL due to the reasons mentioned above, but death is also much more punishing. People get suppressed not because of magic screen-blur - they're scared of dying. Since a game can never accomplish this level of punishment, I think very long respawn times combined with a severe suppression effect could bridge the gap to create realistic firefights. What do you guys think?

Been thinking about it for a while and I'd be interested in seeing a game try balancing brazen, kill-greedy players by either ommitting a death system, or making only the worst injuries kill. Have it much more likely that a given injury will incapacitate you, but NOT kill you, so going down becomes a burden on your team. Make getting an incapacitated teammate back into fighting shape cost resources and time, so people are more careful with their fragility and cost as a unit. I think the fear of forcing your team to take risks to get you back, costing your team resources in a more detrimental way than squad, would be interesting. Thinking resources like squad, medical of ACE or Tarkov, with perhaps a bit of World of Tanks style "1 life per match" kinda thing. I know I'm sorta describing Squad or ARMA one-life ops, but a game focused around that could carve its own niche, i think.

i want you to know i do appreciate these small video essays you put out sometimes about the current situation and dilemmas of games with that i want to say. the number one thing. the most important factor for these realistic games we play is. movement movement is the most important factor of any game. if you can get the movement to feel how you want people to actually feel in game this will do leaps and bounds more than making lives punishing. I will admit ive played on dayz servers where you get one life and you get banned from the server. and it is something else to experience. but if you want the standard gameplay. standard meaning just what the normal game feels like when you dont seek out those special types of circumstances. movement is the most important factor for making people "behave" realistically in game. movement is what makes a game.

Modern shooters today don't even try to be immersive. It is not due to the players but due to the developers doing everything to make it look like a video game: from weird weapon skins, silly characters, and HUD elements like XP appearing after everything you do, hitmarkers that block your vision from actually seeing your bullet hit, and hit sounds that are designed to sound like some kind of a cashing machine or something.

THE BUSTA BROUGHT ME BACK LOL

It would be nice if Squad had a bunch of custom game modes. 1 life, 2 life, king of the hill, custom AAS points, plant a bomb like CS, etc… I’ve done a few events on private servers and it seems to turn into “make up the rules as you go”. And whoever is the best at making up the rules wins. I think this could work for public servers too. Have mini-events. Like Friday Night Fights or Hump Day King of the Hill.

The only thing thats impossible is to please everyone. Squad is taking things to the next lvl and the majority will seethe and eventually cope because the minority that EXCELS in the conditions in the new squad hopefully set the standard for the semi realistic FPS. Mark my words.

23:43 *Casually commits war crime.*

Dude was so close. Also pretty sure your second nade clipped the wall which is what killed you...

"we ended up trading frags" lmaooo def didnt frag yourself nooooo.

I was in that firefight at the end with Phantom. It was intense. I think I was the one who Got Karma with the Nade.

Easiest solution Block momentum and camera movement while jumping this would fix 80% of realistic Shooter.

6 seconds in the video and I am already cracking up. 0:06

People should revisit bf3 mechanics, they implemented some cool things that if put into a realistic game really can solve the issues with competition over gamifying the mechanics

Anyone know if arma reforger is worth playing yet? Just want that slightly more visually polished upgrade to arma 3 feeling it gave me my first time playing it

1 life PvP can be made less hardcore by adding a single or maybe even 2 respawns. It still keeps you super nervous, but isn't as punishing.

10:16 the most unrealistic thing ever in mil sim games: a wild rabbit chilling around loud gunfire and rpg blasts

Have you ever though about a liberation like version of warlords dedicated to PVP? It would require a lot of server work, but would be nice to have two faction with the same numbers, would be an interesting beast.

responded with the power of the sun after i sent a few rockets at you 😂

Instead of long respawn times, maybe give them a debuff that lasts for a long time. Things like weapon sway, suppression effects, etc Keeps yhe players in the field more, while still being pretty substantial punishments that make them less effective overall

"We traded frags" bruh that was yours 🤣

1:36 that is a very good point. But it would take the cooperation of everyone on the server.

Nice video 🤙🏻

Showing a clip of arma thought you were going to say FPS lol

0:01 oh God..that fucking bunker xD I remember being in there, shit was a slaughter

the GL barrage was sick lol 16:59

What is needed is a progressive punishment system - easy for beginners but steadily confining to hone skills and avoid unrelealistic recklessness.

fuuuuuu and y'all almost made it out watching your missions really makes me want to get arma3

True

I was the SL for the squad you guys engaged in that fight. Was fucking intense and probably my fav fight with kog to date

war of rights has a good way of incentivising certain play styles

Such a ballsy extraction. So close…

cool

interesting

six days in fallujah made an good job

I think OG Ghost Recon 2001 was on the right track. 1 life, map awareness, accuracy, good use of cover/concealment and route planning was more essential than anything. Gaming companies diverted from it for just one thing ... money from filthy casuals. At least Arma and Squad can be modded to that level just like Karma said.

one the most realism breaking is the advent of sprint system... it's very simple for games to address this. 1) Simply and entirely remove jump. Nobody does that in real life firefights. Replace it with climb over ledges options and only trigger when nearer to elevated platforms. If there are gaps will have a jump option. making the jump and climb a location specific code. one good way is how RON did it.. which did away entirely with jump and gunfights remained unaffected. 2) Heavy punishment on sprinting. Sprinting is a very stamina intensive activity at least in the way sprints are being implemented in game in terms of speed. Stamina in game is non-existent. A player can sprint for 5 mins and have a perfect transition to aim down sight. Try do that in real life with full gear for one full minute. Your aim will be all over the place. Sprinting short burst are okay so stamina system should heavily be implemented; from weapon sway, accuracy to even ADS speed. Sprinting should be a strategic decision. Not mode of locomotion. Do those 2 things and it will resonate at least with semi-realism crowd like me. I'm not interested or have time for full milsim with long spawn time cos there're better things to do with my time but hey that's just me.

I think eliminating bunny hopping by having no jump function is very important.

That hangar was an ant house damm XD I was like: Pls no Karma dont go.... That hangar would be full of Blufor as they egressed out of the dead zone

Can't you get it in and switch seats?

So the solution to slightly over the top weapon handling that effectively slows down gameplay is to make the respawn 30 minutes to an hour.

Yeah you wouldn’t know buddy, you’re not a Ranger

They got hardcore on call of duty maybe ppl will enjoy that?

I really wish making deaths punishing would actually convince most players to behave realistically. In most cases, people are still content to go on suicide runs and play everything like it's Call of Duty even if it means they lose their gear. It's very hard to make a game that can convince more "tactically challenged" players to not be morons in ways that ruin immersion for people who actually care about their in-game lives.

Game's name?

When you look at modern warfare today there is very little actual infantry fighting. I dont think it is viable to make realistic modern warfare games as if its truly realistic as infantry you would be unlikely to ever see or get to shoot another player.

Honestly milsim will always be that itch that you wanna scratch but it can never be satisfied whether it be long respawn/ time between engagements. Typically the only people you get to stay long term are the people thats ok with taking over 45 minutes between any firefights and its a slim 1% of players just like star citizen players its a small player following yea alot of people on youtube watch but its a small amount of people that actually do play milsims especially older ones like arma thats why the lib server is been struggling for some time now theres roles that players are less likely to play due to the lack of actual shit your allowed to do with said role especially when you have limits that say you cant play without a certain number of members in your squad. Took the shitty part of squad and applied it jn the most shit way

I feel like insurgency samdstorm is the best OVERALL semi realistic shooter. It’s captivating and really put you in the moment, it almost feels like you’re really there, but it isn’t so hard only guy like operator drewski and karmakut can have actual fun playing it. It absolutely is rough around the edges but if honed it could be really really good.

Damn! Is it normal for a soldier to have that much grenade launcher ammo? Or it's because this is a game?

Devs hear me clearly: You will never stop the 360 no-scope.

remember ""no russian""

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If you have 30 + min to wait around to respawn in a game you're doing something wrong in you're life

So you can't run in real life?

Games are inherently kneecapped by peakers advantage, respawn and not carrying your ammunition for hours. To account for this you need to make cheek welding, hip firing and ads walking unrealistically ineffective to get balanced gameplay. Permadeath is the best solution, but it's also terrible when you get taken out by a suppression round ten minutes into the campaign.

You dont trade nade's watch what happend to the secend nade.

This observation about the need for meaningful consequences for character death has always made -- and continues to make -- EVE Online the finest MMORPG in the world. No other MMO experience even comes close, and it is absolutely fascinating and immersive to play. But the *whining* .... 🙄😬

Just remove the players from the equation lol. If you wanna play casually don't play against real people. Bots can be programmed, people can't

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Spend 3 minutes explaining the topic and 20 mins of just gameplay? Lmao talk about bait and switch

i like your videos, but you are genuinely kind of annoyingly bossy. you told your team to “slow it down” and immediately took fire. they were trying to stop incoming fire. you are pretty bossy a lot of the time, idk your background but maybe just play the game and have fun? your bossiness kinda ruins it. it gets really annoying. i would rather watch the game than listen to you talk. the only reason why i watch your channel is for the game itself. maybe just realize this isn’t real, and just play the game. just my opinion, so don’t be mad everyone. just my opinion.

Ukraine lovers lol 😂