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thats what i was thinking

But then, why not wall it up anyways, just the 2 blocks? I think it was just an accident

Agreed. This is a little juke that would trick someone just holding right at the top of the wall.

@Dukas Figuliras because there is a secret area there , how would you get to it if it was walled off, the blocks are there to make u think u can't go any further, so u turn around and go back,jump over the blocks u find the secret, it was intended

Yeah.

^This. I think we should all show this guy some love for being one of the good ones.

Other YTers: "In the speed running community, there is a legend: Super Mario Bro.'s 3... Level 7-4. There's always a way to glitch a game for a Speedrun, right? Well, in this case, it may not be so easy. But first, what IS speedrunning, and why is Mario such a popular title to begin with? To answer that we have to travel far back and far away.... 1987, Japan, Nintendo Headquarters.... Chapter 1 of 14...." 😂😂😂😂

@@dasdiesel3000 Actually, I'm gonna make this vid now and my channel gonna blow up.

@@dasdiesel3000 maaaan you really captured the sentiment... spot on af!

@@dredwick 😂😂😂 thanks broskie, unfortunately I've been victimized enough by videos about interesting topics with relatively straightforward answers ruined by the exact same thing. When I read your comment I was like "YES!!! FUCKING *THAT*! I'm not alone!"

This will never happen in thr next 10 years

@@polarman1747 fr

Obviously, the clip is possible by a human. Someone would have to figure out a setup that would insure it would be done on average in a small enough number of attempts to save time. At this point, even if someone figures out a setup, the number of attempts required would make it too unlikely to save time. There are other clips many people still avoid on good runs due to the low chance of saving time overall on them, if it doesn't happen on the first or second attempt.

​@@litigioussociety4249 especially considering how far into the run this level is.

This is when you start hearing the Summoning Salt music.

Yeah that's what my assumption was

Depends on when the screen scrolls and shows the 1-up area I guess. If they keep it hidden, then they probably were added for that.

You're all overthinking it. They didn't go into this much detail of thought when creating off screen content. Take it from a level designer.

@@SeraphsWitness Not if you're any actually good at level design, or care about the end product...? This really isn't much... Something as simple as forcing the player to jump a second time once offscreen, when they're already in that "Aha, I found something!" mode is sure to have most players quickly give up and figure "Eh, nevermind, it's just a dead end". Mario 3's devs *did* put that much "detail of thought" into their level design. This is the game that has you falling behind some stages to find secrets, or that implemented a one-stage-only fully rideable shoe, or that made chain chomps eventually break from their chain if the player waits longer than anyone reasonably would. All of which involves writing additional game code, which is a lot more involving than clicking on two tiles in the level editor to recreate something tons of games had already done at the time. There's a reason Mario 3 had the success it did.

@@SeraphsWitness You're a "level designer," huh? Made a couple Doom wads? Played a little Mario Maker? Yeah. I bet you're a real pro.

My pleasure!

And by reading this and then watching the video I was proven wrong the 33 speed is kind of impossible with those two blocks you're right Mitch

I prefer the fire flower so I can shoot all tje fish and jellyfish

@@lilianv3252swimming through the jelectrodes is tricky without the frog suit

I mean, they got a bunch of people on the web talking, so they're certainly having a purpose right now!

Sure but... the whole point of something being a TAS in the first place is that it's not being done (nor doable) by a human. There's already such a thing as a "perfect human speedrun" though! Keep in mind that any world record set by a human speedrunner means just that: there's no human out there who (formally) did it any better. In other words, this is the best a human can do. :P

@@rollanddevyeah no that’s not how it works at all. World record clips can have segments where they saved time and segments where they lose time. Just because something is a world record doesn’t mean it’s the best possible human speed run. Not best completed speed run, best possible speedrun you fucking dolt.

@@rollanddev I would say a more analogous idea would be the sum of best splits from the current WR holder, or even amongst several top runners in the case that the non WR holder has better individual splits. I guess segmented runs would be the best equivalent idea. The thing with "peak human performance TAS" would be to use it as a reference of "if I played perfectly using only human strats this is the best time I could get" and using that as a reference point which is very interesting to me too

SMB3 does it, too. The implementation in both games is that it's a single code that places multiple blocks of sprites (slight difference from a single sprite) but yes, it DOES save enormous amounts of memory. Nintendo also knew about the clips because they programmed them in there. What I mean is, the reason Mario moves to the right is because they didn't want players getting stuck just because they released "down" while crouching under a block, so the behavior became that anytime Mario is stuck in a block, he gets moved right. By the time SMB3 came out, there had been a long history of accidental block clipping in earlier games, so much that part of their game design manual (required to be followed in order to get the Nintendo Seal of Quality) required mechanisms to remove players from places where they could get stuck during game testing.

Stars don't give speed in this game :(

@@Mitchflowerpower damn! That’s crazy! First off thank you for taking your time and helping me learn something new and second you’re awesome man keep up the great content! Much love

You'd be better off just watching a video of the TAS inputs and try and match that frame perfect

I don't think I have anything like that, but you can ask tompa

It may not look like much, but the inputs we do the build up speed on the platform is the hardest part; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtNzdrWI1bKwo40.html

The clip works because you stand on the block, pushing mario's head into the ceiling tile, when mario is in a tile the game tries to resolve this by pushing him to the right. In a wall to the right happens to be inside of a block and the softlock prevention method kicks into gear again, and again and again until you're out of the wall.

Mario needs to clip into the ceiling tile

@@Luminousplayer ceilings easy to clip into, just stand up lol

Sadly, Mitch was wrong about mashing to keep your speed, it has actually no affect at all. It all matters hod much speed you have at take off and then it will drop your speed once every 8th frame no matter how you are flying.

@@TompaA Oh well, then I guess what it takes is unholy perfect offscreen execution to get much more than 33 speed in the first place. Yikes...

I just hope Mitch gets his facts right next time :)

You can easily do it if you play on the All-Stars version by pressing Left+Right at the same time to speed you up. This is however a banned technique, as it can't normally be done without "destroying" your controller. Without that glitch, this can onyl be done in a Tool-Assisted setting.

Because it wasn't about "the reward" back then. It was about knowing shit other people didn't know. There was no internet, so people that played donkey kong and the sequels that knew the secrets had bragging rights to their friends. That was a different time, one that I enjoyed the sanctity of knowing that no one else knew that barrel on the mine cart level in donkey kong country existed but none of my friends knew. It was new stuff to us. It was secrets for the sake of being secrets.

Nah I wish😢

If it was a single block, then yes, you could in theory clip through the block and then keep going. Though clipping through a block requires a minimum speed of 49, which is impossible to have at that point.

Fly and jump up backwards to maintain speed?

@@djflugel79 The direction you are facing doesn't matter. You'll still drop a speed unit every 8th frame.

I don't think you can clip in those walls if there's no doors or pipes near it to help you

How those clips work is that Mario needs to land on one of the Walljump Pixels while ducking, this makes Mario automatically stand up. When you do this at the top, Mario's head will be inside a ceiling, which activates the fail-safe of Mario being stuck in a wall, so you start to be pushed to the right. This can only be done in a ceiling corner. The other type of clip is when Mario falls through the topleft corner of a block to get inside a wall, which is done in 7-7. Though no such corner is available in 7-4.

@@TompaA That makes perfect sense. Thanks.

He's playing on a real console with a regular NES controller.

They put it there to add challenge to get to the 2 extra lives that are after that.

​@@BloodBathFenix thats even more hilarious, they didnt know about it and made a change that specifically screwed this strat.. because of 2 lives

How does adding the blocks make it difficult to get to the secret area? You need to fly up there anywyas? Wouldn’t most people just accidentally fly over the 2 blocks?

Clipping above the pipe does nothing, you'll just get to the area with the 2ups. You can only clip at the very top of the level.

No, you need to have a ceiling next to the wall. The way clipping works is that you need to get Mario's head stuck inside a wall, this triggers the fail-safe of the game pushing Mario to the right in order to get unstuck. Walls are made out of 16x16 pixel blocks. If you land on certain pixels of the wall, Mario can stand on the block beneath him, what we often refer to as the "Walljump" pixel. If you land on this while ducking, you'll automatically stand up, and when done next to a ceiling you'll get suck and be pushed through the wall. Hope that explains it!

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No, you need to either have a corner with a ceiling above, or a corner that you can fall through the topleft corner of and then be able to scroll through the wall.

@@TompaA Oh I see. Definitely the hardest one then.

It saves the cloud for other stages that are longer than going skipping this auto-scroller with a clip

for Warpless you can save the cloud for a longer stage, and in 100% you can't cloud

Crouching is neccesary to do the clip at the top in the first place. But flying backwards doesn't help in any way, you don't preserve any speed nor do you go faster.

There is no ceiling for Mario to get his head stuck in at the bottom, which is why the clip works in the first place. So sadly, no, you can't clip at the bottom :/

@Tompa A bummer. I'm kinda new to Mario 3 so I was thinking it might be similar to Mario 1.

They do not in this game.