The Intel Problem: CPU Efficiency & Power Consumption

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A lot of you have requested that we run power consumption tests for gaming on CPUs, so we've finally done that! And alongside fulfilling that request, we also wanted to tackle a comment from Greg, our recurring antagonist commenter, who "requested" CPU efficiency testing. These benchmarks look at the efficiency and raw power consumption of Intel vs. AMD CPUs. There's a particular focus on the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and Intel Core i7-14700K and 14900K CPUs, as these are the most recent and directly comparable / best gaming CPUs.
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00:00 - TwitterBall X
00:25 - BET
01:23 - Tests Included
03:22 - The Plan & Testing Methodology
06:54 - F1 2023 CPU Gaming Efficiency
08:12 - Locking the Framerate (F1)
10:25 - AMD's Floor - I/O Die Requirements
10:44 - Cyberpunk: Phantom Liberty Heavy Gaming
12:15 - GPU-Bound CPU Efficiency in Gaming
13:28 - Starfield Efficiency
14:19 - GPU Utilization vs. CPU Power Discussion
15:28 - 60FPS Locked
16:21 - Baldur's Gate 3
17:03 - Blender Power Efficiency (Wh)
17:27 - Compression Efficiency (MIPS/W)
17:47 - Photoshop Locked to 86W
18:10 - Highest Power Consumption Spikes
21:04 - Conclusions & Actual Electricity COST
25:59 - Future Plans for This Testing
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@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

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@TheRedneckCodecChannel 5 ай бұрын

Grabbed me one of those 15 yr annimousary pads ol son!😂

@RNG-999 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Greg!

@eduu1717 5 ай бұрын

@GamersNexus can I have one of those chips :( uwu

@weltsiebenhundert 5 ай бұрын

When did Intel lose in effizient vs AMD? 1st or 3rd Ryzen? (Dont think Bulldoser)

@elvinespinal4747 5 ай бұрын

@weltsiebenhundert378 I think during the 3000 series, thought the 2000s might be close

@dremy746 5 ай бұрын

I've done extensive testing and I've found that if you power limit both the 14900K and 7800X3D at 0W they perform identically with identical performance per watt.

@cameronbosch1213 5 ай бұрын

Of course they would! 😂

@FreshChriss 5 ай бұрын

Dont say it to Greg, he would still bet that even at 0w the intel cpus where more efficient and faster

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

Wow! This is a huge break-through! We'll immediately test the power consumption of the systems when they're off. hahaha

@RealAvus 5 ай бұрын

You are wrong.. Intel CPU will actually give out energy from ether while AMD CPU is just turn off at 0W

@smncrowe 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Actually, that's not as mad as it seems, who actually switches their systems off at the wall .......

@ItsHaldun 5 ай бұрын

"Ah yes, let me limit this 550$ CPU that I bought to 40% of its operating power, so it can get half the efficiency of its rival instead of 1/3rd" - Greg, 2023

@petrichor1956 5 ай бұрын

*of it’s 360$ dollar rival

@pino_de_vogel 5 ай бұрын

fact is if you just limit power draw (not fps like this silly video did) then it's quite darn efficiënt for gaming. these chips are just stupid out of the box.and dont forget the 7950x also draws nearr 200 watts which is way past its efficiency curve. limit that to 150 watts and its also way more efficient.

@heiroglyfx 5 ай бұрын

@@pino_de_vogel Why would you limit power draw if you're trying to measure efficiency for a typical use case? That's why they limited fps instead of draw. That's like arguing you should drive with your motor locked to 2000 RPM everywhere because it's more fuel efficient to do so. People are buying these products to just use them, any other points to be made are either worthless or blatantly made to try and discredit the fact one product is CLEARLY under-performing comparatively in the efficiency department. edit: switched MPH to RPM, because that's actually closer to what's being spoken about here.

@devilmikey00 5 ай бұрын

@@pino_de_vogel Next time watch the video before commenting. They did limit the power and it did not make it more efficient than AMD.

@Ogk10 5 ай бұрын

@@pino_de_vogelHi Greg

@russellhammant2846 5 ай бұрын

''We figure that some people might not like this scenario because it's completely valid, fair, realistic and out of the box as you use the processor'' - sassy Steve is by far my favorite Steve

@TheDeanosaurus 5 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the cat wrote that line 😜

@addydiesel6627 5 ай бұрын

😂

@shivcharan5700 5 ай бұрын

Even though Greg took a fat L, he gave us all a big W for introducing this new set of power efficiency tests! Thanks Greg and Thanks Steve!

@moritzbecker131 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Steve

@Lurch-Bot 5 ай бұрын

I don't see it that way. It is a win-win. Scientists learn from their mistakes, empirically.

@imjustapotatoleavemealone 5 ай бұрын

Now i see Greg as my personal hero!

@Braiam 5 ай бұрын

Back to you Steve.

@FearOfDeath1332 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for saying it

@user-yt2rq8qn3l 5 ай бұрын

There's something admirable about a team which idea of having fun is piling up weeks of benchmark over a troll comment. Kudos guys!

@noba4696 5 ай бұрын

troll comment OR might have been someone from the userbenchmark team 🤣

@richongaming 5 ай бұрын

Some folks enjoy doing what they do!

@62eru 5 ай бұрын

@@noba4696 team? i thought it was a single person

@lucyfer7748 5 ай бұрын

@@noba4696 Ain't that the same? :p

@biblical_figure 5 ай бұрын

@@lucyfer7748no, trolls intentionally say things no matter how ludicrous with the express intent of provoking a response, this dumbfuck's genuine conviction was that Intel is currently better than AMD and GN humiliated him

@UncleSilverGaming 5 ай бұрын

Damn Gregs out here makin' us look bad! From one Greg to another, DAMN IT, GREG!

@Shiny_Dragonite 5 ай бұрын

I guess Dave (if you're familiar with the radio commercials) has handed the title off to Greg.

@Abrasive-Heat 5 ай бұрын

It’s okay. Let us be the best of Greg’s and hopefully we’ll inspire the others to do better.

@Eveningbreeze78 5 ай бұрын

Gregs does ask the stupid questions nobody asks, but when asked want too know the anwser to... :) Results confirm bias, though bias had no quantification.. this is nice

@OnTheRocks71 5 ай бұрын

Yeah that other Greg really Greg'd it up for everyone. sigh

@slaysi 5 ай бұрын

My name Greg

@andydbedford 5 ай бұрын

Greg: you are not testing CPU’s scientifically enough! GN: challenge accepted. Subscribers: Thanks Steve 👍

@ADesertVoice 4 ай бұрын

@@amrmoustafa328 er they are comparing based on claims by either company on what their CURRENT chips performs. It doesn't matter what "technology" those chips are build on. It is FAIRLY COMPARED based on the claims the producers of those chips are saying about those chips NOW. Why is it that someone like you can't seem to understand that difference? Are you being shady here and claiming something stupid by saying that those companies like AMD and INTEL are LYING about their chips in the first place? Your assumption is what is truly not fair as the baseline is the comparing based on claims MADE BY THE MANUFACTURERS of their own chips in their current state, no matter what technology is in them.

@Zesmas 2 ай бұрын

not really fair considering Gamer nexus has a billion sponsors and has the money to just throw at research while the normal person cant.

@ihebammar6568 Ай бұрын

back to you steve

@Walterbgaming 5 ай бұрын

The important question remains tho... How will userbenchmark spin this one??

@Dave-dh7rt 4 ай бұрын

They were bitching on the 7950x review how it uses 160W (has 160W tdp actually) and on the 14900K how it’s SUPERIOR. I emailed them a screenshot of the 10fps/watt and 3fps/watt and called them shills and liars.

@szaszm_ 4 ай бұрын

Can we just collectively stop visiting that site? It doesn't deserve any attention. It misrepresents its contents as benchmarks when they are just random numbers pulled out of his a**, inconsistent with every other reviewer.

@stacksofslaps7442 Ай бұрын

Never understood the hate for userbenchmark, intel wins, and it makes diehard AMD butthurt, but in terms of efficiency, that's a whole different story.

@guywhitey2028 Ай бұрын

@stacksofslaps7442 why buy a chip that consumes 3 times as much power to get a 10% gain? Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? 14900k for gaming is a waste, 7800x3d is better for power consumption and price. Easy choice.

@Walterbgaming Ай бұрын

@@guywhitey2028 they totally win tho ignore the absurd power requirements and all the other data on non biased sources that clearly show a very different picture.

@doesntmatter6084 5 ай бұрын

As a computer engineer, it baffles me how many have such strong and vocal opinions and push those opinions when they have not a single clue about the subject

@cmac3530 5 ай бұрын

Twitter is the epitome of Dunning-Kruger at it's finest

@Incommensurabilities 5 ай бұрын

@@cmac3530 *the internet

@jordanw633 5 ай бұрын

There's a word for that type of person. Ultracrepidarian :)

@lgolem09l 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget that each user comment you see might be written by a 9-12 year old, who basically just parrot things without understanding them.

@CaptainUltimaFTW 5 ай бұрын

Right there with ya 😂 if there's one thing I learned from studying computer engineering it's how the most vocal people on the Internet are often the most wrong in terms of computers lok

@Noobsaucer 5 ай бұрын

The low-key tragic detail of this video is that the 14900k is LESS efficient than the 13900k in literally every single test. Ouch.

@RFC3514 5 ай бұрын

That was to be expected. They're basically milking the same CPU for a few extra cycles, at the cost of even higher power.

@claudiobizama5603 5 ай бұрын

That just proves that BIG NUMBER BETTER

@miqotelover 5 ай бұрын

Underrated comment.

@PyromancerRift 5 ай бұрын

It is normal, it is a refresh. Same trash CPU overclocked to look better on benchmark. They literally do on desktop what they say AMD is doing on laptop. But intel is doing it on high end parts.

@tommihommi1 5 ай бұрын

because it's literally the same chip, just overclocked a little bit more than it already is

@lexwaldez 5 ай бұрын

Can we all just take a moment to thank Greg for threatening us with a good time? This was an EXCELLENT presentation and more than a little eye opening. I knew 14rth gen i7 and i9 CPU's were power hungry but Intel got absolutely abused. I should not have started this at bed time. 30 minutes gone in no time.

@razoo911 5 ай бұрын

even 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 gen too were/are power hungry...and i dont know why intel call those cpu 14gen, in fact they are 13gen with a bit overclock

@unholydonuts 4 ай бұрын

No thanks to fan boy Greg, full credit to GN team.

@kasimirdenhertog3516 5 ай бұрын

If I can make a humble suggestion: you're referring to the voltage/frequency curve a few times in this video. It would be interesting to actually plot the curve, then find the sweet spot for the CPUs (7800X3D vs. 14700K would probably be most interesting) on that curve and compare the performance at that particular point. This would put a figure on the maximum achievable efficiency.

@drewsss 5 ай бұрын

This seems a cool idea!

@termitreter6545 5 ай бұрын

Problem is, that optimal efficiency would be different for every single possible application. Even hardware, just different CPU/GPU/memory combos could have different optimums.

@eliasroflchopper3006 5 ай бұрын

It's hilarious to me that the 7800X3D without FPS limit still pulls less power than the 14900K with an FPS limit Edit: the amount of fanboys defending Intel with all they have, for no good reason at all, is just ridiculous. Stop saying they should have undervolted it. Stop saying they should have turned off the E-cores. Stop saying they should have limited the power draw (which they did for the 14700K photoshop test, actually). Stop trying to make this literal waste of energy better than it is. You get nothing from it by doing this. You only expose yourself to siding with a company that rips you off, and that makes you look like morons. And besides, this video was supposed to be a fair comparison between Intel and AMD. If you tweak Intels chip to the point of being advantaged, you surely can do the same for AMD.

@ReclusiveXL 5 ай бұрын

Looking at power consumption of the 7800X3D, I wonder why AMD didn't release it on laptops platforms yet. It would have no match at 50-75W TDP in games. Edit: yes, I know about the R9 7945HX3D, but it still has to share some of its power between two CCDs, instead of focusing all the power on the 3D V-cache one(and laptops usually have 55-75W limits). There's 13980HX on laptops, and it is just identical(in terms of its cores count, frequency and even cache) to power limited 13900K. But they wouldn't need to limit the 7800X3D that much, even 55W would be enough.

@WWAVES1 5 ай бұрын

@@ReclusiveXLIt might be a temperature constraint; that and the higher power floor to run them

@dagameboy 5 ай бұрын

@@WWAVES1 nah, in laptops the cpu doesnt have a thicc boi IHS and 50-75 watts is relatively normal for laptop CPU's

@_under2world_ 5 ай бұрын

Thx to the 3D cache performance are higher AND they have to reduce the maximum voltage to avoid damaging this extra cache. Those 2 factor make it incredibly efficient/performance, that and the fact that zen core are more efficient that Intel core by default

@Neketre 5 ай бұрын

@@ReclusiveXLit needs desktop levels of cooling to remain stable at 50-75W. There’s a reason it doesn’t boost as high as its non-X3D counterpart, which has to do with voltage and temperature limitations.

@philslaya 5 ай бұрын

Greg must be a new userbenchmark for hire 😂

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature 5 ай бұрын

LOL, for that matter... They should call this test _The Greg._

@walterwhite415 5 ай бұрын

I thought the same. Sadly there are still a whole lot of people who fall for the bullshit Bullshitbenchmark is telling them.

@j5ylim396 5 ай бұрын

with how ridiculous these types are getting im starting to think theyre just stockholders with all their life savings on the line

@Therapistwatermirrur 5 ай бұрын

@@j5ylim396 I'd honestly buy Unity stocks over ITNC right now. Even with the Unity drama.

@CptJistuce 5 ай бұрын

@@j5ylim396I wish I could believe that. I've seen enough fanboys over the years that this just seems like normal denial of reality to me.

@davidmstuff 4 ай бұрын

Anyone else enjoying the ridiculously good quality of stuff that the GN team has been putting out lately? Mfers are heading into 2024 on FIRE!

@MoonMage67 5 ай бұрын

its not just the power cost, for a 14 gen high end part you're pretty much forced to use an expensive water cooler while a 7800X3D can be cooled by a cheap tower cooler.

@malcomreynolds4103 5 ай бұрын

you aren't - you can even overclock a little bit with some of noctuas several year old models and there are better air coolers out there now

@helltarrist 5 ай бұрын

@@malcomreynolds4103Noctua or any other high-end air coolers aren't exactly cheap in a lot of places. I'm from a very hot part of Brazil, for example, and for me the 14th gen intel CPUs would need an expensive water cooler or a top-end air cooler. These aren't cheap at all here, some of these high end air coolers go for around 180USD here, money that could go into getting an rx7900xtx vs rx7800xt. Also, electricity is around 0.23USD/kW. A CPU that draws 200w in Cyberpunk would make a significant impact in the energy bill for me, even though I play around 3-4h a day.

@tbard 5 ай бұрын

And for the Ryzen you're stuck with absurd mobo prices :D I know, I got a 7800X3D earlier this month :D

@superspies32 5 ай бұрын

Also all cores of 7800 are real core. Meanwhile intel 14k only has about 30% of physical core, the remaining are emulator core made from some top secret Hyper-V of sort

@malcomreynolds4103 5 ай бұрын

@@superspies32 No.

@SpiritOfTheHeretic 5 ай бұрын

I don't think I've ever seen someone get blown out of the water as hard as Greg just was

@twign6378 5 ай бұрын

I love it when Steve pulls out these "I didn't need to go this hard but..." videos

@redacted5744 5 ай бұрын

Greg owes somebody his paycheck, lol.

@rmvdhaak 5 ай бұрын

Can you believe the guy is doubling down on Twitter ?

@TheHectic0ne 5 ай бұрын

@@rmvdhaak It's impossible to argue with stupid, even with facts.

@mangatom192 5 ай бұрын

@@rmvdhaakWhat's the @?

@SuspiciousGirafe 5 ай бұрын

"We figured that some people might not like this scenario... because it's completely valid, fair, realistic and ootb as you use the processor" LOL, you didn't have to roast them this hard, Steve !

@MattFowlerBTR 5 ай бұрын

Steve didn't do the roasting - he just put Greg#2 next to the 14900k heatsink (ok, let's be real, radiator) and let all the stupid amounts of heat do the work.

@craigdeeter8042 5 ай бұрын

Yes he did🤪

@Burmn 5 ай бұрын

“Thanks Steve!”

@ExpiredStyrene 5 ай бұрын

Power efficiency is a critical metric for me these days; thanks for this in-depth testing!

@thomasschraubt7497 5 ай бұрын

Why is that?

@Zandonus 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, one of my heaters broke, and this 65w gen1 ryzen is not doing it even with a malfunctioning fan. Came here to get some blood to my head and consider buying intel for the extra heat generation.

@dragomegaman3711 4 ай бұрын

@@thomasschraubt7497electricity bill for me 😢

@annekedebruyn7797 2 ай бұрын

@@thomasschraubt7497 In some countries, energy bills have been doubled and in some cases tripled since covid.

@BugThorn 2 ай бұрын

@@annekedebruyn7797we pay 0,5$ per KWh, when your average net income is around 1750 and half that is price of your rent ...

@572089 5 ай бұрын

this power efficiency is really good information not just for cost, but for thermal generation. it tells us realistic heat loads in games. this is super important for SFF builders who might need to cram everything onto a single Rad, or use undersized coolers. your case can end up limiting your hardware choices due to thermal constraints.

@beayn 5 ай бұрын

I got an i5-13600k about a year ago and it's really difficult to keep cool here in Australia where it's usually quite hot and houses have zero insulation, along with evaporative air conditioning that is absolute garbage. I knew it ran hotter than its competitor but didn't think it would be this hard to keep cool.

@vadnegru 5 ай бұрын

I legit eyeing 7800x3d for my first SFF build. Due to current situation, i guess i would go to 8800x3d when it arrives. To be honest, my current PC is just fine, just too bad that it's literally idling at like 70W (150-200 at full load). It's quite hot in summer and power bills are also going up

@termitreter6545 5 ай бұрын

True! Especially high end CPUs can be very difficult to cool under load.

@ignotumperignotius630 4 ай бұрын

I use evaporative and have asbestos insulation. My state is dry and not tropical I guess, so maybe that's your problem.

@Jdmorris143 5 ай бұрын

GN team, the intros are something else. I may come here for the info you provide but I get entertained by the intros.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

hahaha, gotta keep it interesting!

@NuSpirit_ 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus I think you should make some kind of "Cringers Nexus" channel for shots like that intro and memes from GN. Would be lovely. Thanks Steve!

@theroofer3181 5 ай бұрын

I absolutely love the intros.

@fleurdewin7958 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus I applaud your effort by purposely going out to get a brand new pitchfork 0:08 just to film this video

@CS_Mango 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexusso. when is the first gamers Nexus short film coming out?

@shadow7037932 5 ай бұрын

The 5800X3D will need to be in a CPU Hall of Fame. What a champ of a CPU. I feel like this CPU alone will keep AM4 around for quite a few more years.

@newtwitchclipper 5 ай бұрын

Yea i went to am5 and got the 7800x3d but my brothers build i stayed am4 and for the price to performance the 5800x3d and a b550 velocita being 175$ cheaper than my combo... Lets say i have a 7900xt in my am5 build.. for the same price u can stay am4 with the 5800x3d and get a 7900xtx and have better performance for the same price as the am5 system

@thepcenthusiastchannel2300 5 ай бұрын

I bought one for a Dual Vega 64 Crossfire build as I was trying to get around the poor GPU scaling due to CPU bottleneck. Just for a fun project. It worked. Both Vega 64 GPUs get 100% utilized and you get a doubling of performance. Very strong CPU.

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature 5 ай бұрын

If they continued to make it.

@jawohlbxb3534 5 ай бұрын

Currently on ryzen 2700 when im gonna upgrade i dont know but when i do it will be 5800X3D it will be cpu that a lot of people with old ryzens will upgrade to just because performance of it for just upgrading your cpu is insane

@Drew1218s 5 ай бұрын

For gaming yes but for anything non gaming not really.

@IuriFiedoruk 5 ай бұрын

I live in Brazil and own a AMD Ryzem 5600G, and I love its efficiency. There is an extra argument you can make in favor of the less consuption also, you need a smaller power supply for your PC and it is more silent because it needs less fan speed to dissipate heat generated by the extra power.

@MartyAckerman310 5 ай бұрын

I "upgraded" from a 5600G to a 12900K. The noise issue alone makes me want to go back to the 5600G. That and the fact that the idle power of the 12900K system is what the 5600G pulled at 80% load.

@hamakaze9812 5 ай бұрын

@@MartyAckerman310 you've learned your lesson. NEVER BETRAY LISA SU OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

@MrNukealizer 5 ай бұрын

Fan speed doesn't depend solely on the heat generated. The X3D CPUs have a significant disadvantage compared to Intel in terms of how efficiently the cooler can dissipate their heat. They have lower temperature limits, which means lower difference in temperature compared to the air. The 7000 series also have that oddly thick AM5 IHS for AM4 cooler compatibility, which makes them less efficient at transferring heat to the cooler, so the cooler has to work harder to keep the chip at the same temperature. The heat pipe layout of a cooler can also make a sizeable difference between AMD and Intel because the positions and sizes of the heat sources within the CPU are different.

@MCA0090 4 ай бұрын

That's why I like 65W CPUs... I bought a 7700 instead of a 7700X (7700 is cheaper in Brazil btw). I ran tests on my CPU setting it to the same parameters of a 7700X and measuring the power drawn on the power supply cable, it simply doesn't worth it, too much heat and to much power for just a little bit more of performance... I'm currently running my CPU at 75W TDP +250MHz on the boost clock and undervolt. Stresstesting the CPU at 100% is taking only 150W from the power supply (entire system consumption) and CPU temperature is around 80ºC. When I tested it on 105W TDP +100Mhz + undervolt (same specs of 7700X) the total system power was around 200 - 215W and CPU temperature went straight to 90ºC.

@nameless-user 4 ай бұрын

Me personally, the efficiency is necessary as my PC is hooked into a UPS. I have a _hard_ power limit; anything to drop the power consumption can be critical in an emergency.

@BMKTW 5 ай бұрын

Steve, don't forget that higher power consumption means spending more money for a bigger PSU and Heatsink.

@kenshirogenjuro873 5 ай бұрын

Not to mention motherboards that flow the amount of required power

@rhesaramadhan8474 4 ай бұрын

not to mention more case fans to make it cool..

@vadicus 5 ай бұрын

Describing CPUs in terms of their fps per watt is brilliant.

@JFinns 5 ай бұрын

Intel has left the chat.

@n3rdy11 5 ай бұрын

I wish the same would also be done with GPUs, I have the suspicion that AMD will also be ahead there when the workload is pure rasterization without any DLSS/RT.

@ivofixzone6410 5 ай бұрын

Well, it's the same as describing EVs of their mile per Kw , because there is the truth of inefficient and expensive usage.

@sitaroartworks 5 ай бұрын

@@n3rdy11 the real performance saver is FSR 2. It is really good.

@limemason 5 ай бұрын

I love how Steve will see a tweet with like 5 likes and take it as a personal challenge necessitating tens of man hours of work. What a mad lad

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

This one was about a month of work! And it required 3 of us! And give me some more credit -- it had 2 likes! hahaha

@EversonBernardes 5 ай бұрын

"Someone is wrong on the internet!"

@waynesworldofsci-tech 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus It’s the sort of work that keeps us coming back. Great stuff.

@fratista 5 ай бұрын

He wants the paycheck

@limemason 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Astounding work gentlemen

@petergimeno6547 5 ай бұрын

Excellent review and interesting perspective. One thing to note about cpu power consumption: power correlates to heat, which can be a meaningful factor when considering how ambient room temperatures and noise levels are changed over time, especially in hot climates or during the summer months.

@italianbasegard 5 ай бұрын

The snake oil bottle being an isopropyl alcohol bottle is so fitting for Wendell 😂

@theavera9ejoe 5 ай бұрын

The fact you get biased comments like this and still take the time to go through and methodically test them speaks loads to you and your team's character. THIS is the content I'm subscribed for! Love to see it.

@betag24cn 5 ай бұрын

i like that you used the word biased, instead of call greg a fanboy, what he is, lol

@anorax001 5 ай бұрын

I don't think it matters how many benchmarks or tests Steve runs on these CPU's. Intel fanboys will not accept any result even if it proves them wrong.

@shaneeslick 5 ай бұрын

@@anorax001 it doesn't matter what company the FanBois are all as STOOPID as eachother, they are the Flat Earthers of the Tech Community.

@CptJistuce 5 ай бұрын

@@anorax001Look, if AMD was really better, how come they can't afford a five-letter name, HUH? That's right, you can't answer that, because there is no answer!

@chrisbullock6477 5 ай бұрын

That's the difference between maturity and also having the intelligence to create out of hate and to make lemonade out of lemons something that only comes with maturity something that many of the Millennials and the under 30 crowd seriously lack and their parents are to blame

@dontreadtoofarintoit1868 5 ай бұрын

I can only imagine its difficult to come up with creative and unique shots for a processor, it doesn't go unnoticed from myself. Some creativity here using the lens with it being the subject of investigation.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

The video team will appreciate that you noticed! I'll share the comment!

@mnemonik61 5 ай бұрын

Agreed! The video team has really been upping their game over the past couple of months. Kudos to the GN video and editing crew!

@pauldenney6968 5 ай бұрын

I have been loving my new 7800X3D! Coming from a 3700X that was a great CPU, i've seen a strong boost in 1% lows in my games with the same RTX 3070.

@Buggiy 4 ай бұрын

Same scenario for me..next is gpu upgrade in 2024 or early 2025

@MrZestubo 5 ай бұрын

I'm excited to hear idle power draw is coming, I feel like as live service models get worse there will be more interest in running local servers. I know I am. I don't pay a ton for electricity, but I'm still interested in running as efficiently as possible where I can.

@machinainc5812 5 ай бұрын

Insane the amount of power Intel chips need just to keep up. 3x more power at some instances and almost always twice+ more. I knew it was bad but this was a bloodbath

@Skeames1214 5 ай бұрын

It's wild. I think the x3d chips in particular kinda highlighted this, because before that most reviewers/consumers just defaulted to "performance is more important than efficiency." And that's still true, imo, but now that AMD has both (in gaming, at least) the disparity being this wide is jarring. I also think the people saying "oh well you can undervolt it or cap your fps" are either very niche users or coping. Yes, a small percentage of users undervolt, but when they talk about it they advertise *not* losing performance as one of the main draws. Multiple tests in this video show that you do lose a significant amount of performance if you cap the power draw, That Blender example where the render time nearly doubled was extreme, I'm sure, but the point is if you're buying a 14700k because it's a better multithreaded workload performer.... why are you kneecapping it for the sake of power draw. At that point one of the only advantages it has is nullified. Most people just want the best performance you can get out of the box. I really doubt more than 1 percent of people are gonna stomach losing 20 fps in cyberpunk for the sake of a few bucks off their power bill. You would have bought cheaper more efficient equipment if you cared that much more about power draw than performance.

@timothyandrewnielsen 5 ай бұрын

10nm vs 5nm. Intel sux

@BouncingZeus 5 ай бұрын

@@Skeames1214 It is insane the gap. I have a 13900K. I have always and will likely still just keep buying whatever has the highest FPS numbers when I buy, but damn would this make my cooling so much easier. The heat is such an issue.

@dreed100 5 ай бұрын

It's reversal of 2013. Bulldozer time

@griffin1366 5 ай бұрын

@@Skeames1214 capping the power draw and undervolting are two difference things.

@m4sterred853 5 ай бұрын

I love how much the tables have turned in terms of performance per Watt. The kind of issue we see now used to be in AMD’s camp with the FX series.

@davidellis1355 5 ай бұрын

I had a phenom and skipped the FX generation. Didn't seem worth the upgrade

@zeyfuller 5 ай бұрын

@@davidellis1355I had one and did the upgrade. You were right lol

@frizzlefry1921 5 ай бұрын

@@davidellis1355 Phenom II x6 was a screamer w 2x msi 7770 oc but the power bill suffered... lol.

@shawnpitman876 5 ай бұрын

@@frizzlefry1921 1090T gang

@bofast 5 ай бұрын

And before that Intel had issues with the Pentium 4 where they once again tried to brute force themselves ahead through clockspeed at the cost of power/heat. It's one of those things that will probably keep swinging back and forth over the course of history.

@ryanlowery9081 5 ай бұрын

what ever encoder you guys at GN are using to make videos is BEAST. Your youtube videos look orders of magnitude better than 99% of other youtube channels. It's insane how good these videos look on my G9 monitor and 4090 lol.

@technolucas3720 5 ай бұрын

Best reviews on the net! Keep it up and have a Merry Christmas guys!!

@Link0402 5 ай бұрын

So as someone with a 7800X3D living in Germany, where electricity is about 32 cents / kWh... WOW I'M SO BUSY SAVING MONEY HERE.

@slipknot1943 5 ай бұрын

You you realize that even if you would use 400w 24/7 for a month @ 40c price, it would only cost you like 100€ E: You do it scales down? Eg. 150w gaming 2-4h per day @ 40c. Month cost: ~3-6€

@RotaryJunkie 5 ай бұрын

@@slipknot1943 I don't think you made the point you meant to make there.

@dascandy 5 ай бұрын

Positive side: Saving power. Negative side: It's that expensive because it's all coal, instead of GN's nuclear...

@IdiotRace 5 ай бұрын

@@slipknot1943 I think they would rather have the extra 100 euro

@CarbonPanther 5 ай бұрын

On the other hand i'm probably wasting money, i have a 5800X3D and it takes about ~60W on Idle which is a lot especially when i watch videos which is when the system spikes to 110W watching youtube, my old i7-6700 system does about ~33W... while watching videos, i know it didn't have a GPU in it, but that's still a heck of a difference especially at idle where the 6700 would draw like 15W at most, that's a huge difference and it's really stupid how little AMD's CPUs save power at idle because of their IO die or whatever, or that my GPU needs apparently at least 40W just to watch a damn video at 1080p.

@hukl3945 5 ай бұрын

More efficient CPU also means lower requirements for the CPU Fan, Case Coolers as well as the Powersupply or even the case itself. So there is more merit than just power cost.

@nickierv13 5 ай бұрын

Not just lower requirements, but more options as well. CPU trying to pull 300W is going to need a lot different cooler than one chilling around 150W, but run the 300W cooler on a 150W CPU and you can run the fans a lot slower and thus quieter. More efficient isn't going to be less total power, take a 100W CPU that can do X work/hour but a 200W CPU that can do 4X work/hour. Yes total power saving but higher peak power.

@nickierv13 5 ай бұрын

@@fluffy_unicorn859 Not sure on exact numbers, but when dealing with heat a 4:1 ratio of heat to power needed to deal with the heat is probably on the good side.

@Deathscythe91 5 ай бұрын

also motherboard , dont have to worry about vrm's as much

@saricubra2867 5 ай бұрын

My i7-12700K is the only one that can be air cooled. Any i7 above it needs an AIO.

@griffin1366 5 ай бұрын

@@saricubra2867 What nonsense. I have a Noctua NH-U14S and it cools my 13700k just fine at 5.4Ghz. Granted I set the power limit to 200W and it sits at 90C in Cinebench. In gaming and everything else it sits at a stable 600 RPM.

@hynekbroz7029 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, Greg, for this amazing video I was waiting for so long.

@MauricioRPP1 5 ай бұрын

This is even more relevant after the recent microcode update that Intel sent out, as it completely disables undervolting in non-K CPUs. Only PL1/PL2 adjustments still work, and those bring performance down significantly.

@manoftherainshorts9075 5 ай бұрын

Damn, poor choice of locking up another great feature from Intel.

@RealGreyGhost 5 ай бұрын

Wow that sucks not being able to undervolt locked CPUs. Probably not a good idea to update the BIOS then... ever.

@jan__itor 5 ай бұрын

Idle power consumption for CPU and GPU reviews would be extremely cool to see. I don't think anyone is doing this kind of tests, but it would be nice to know that

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

They're tough to get right. Working on that separately!

@mcod99 5 ай бұрын

my 7950x3d pulls around 30ish watts at idle and my 4090 pulls 15w.

@Zapdos0145 5 ай бұрын

AMD would be hard because the 7000 series still has high idle power under certain circumstances like different monitor resolutions and refresh rates amongst other things

@tommihommi1 5 ай бұрын

one problem with idle power testing is the *crazy* swings based on motherboard model as well as software configuration.

@Zapdos0145 5 ай бұрын

@@tommihommi1 second this. it’s very hard to have a “control” when there is no “control” everyone’s software is different, everyone’s hard ware is different, even people’s monitors are different, it’s hard to control all that when no one does that 100% of the time

@ijustsawthat 5 ай бұрын

Greg: places bet Intel: Be careful of what you wish for

@rabidwallaby84 5 ай бұрын

Greg is Homer. Intel is Santa's Little Helper

@SACC_ 5 ай бұрын

The exact video I wanted to see. Thank you for this testing.

@michaelwoods7770 5 ай бұрын

That shot of all the cpu boxes stacked is amazing. Whoever did that deserves a raise.

@Quasardian 5 ай бұрын

Could you also take a focus of the idle cpu usage? I think that's also extremly important when a lot of pc's run maybe 30% of the time in idle. For business pc's some are on 24/7 and are only used ~8 hours a day 5 days a week.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

Yes, we'll have some data for that in the next few months. We're planning to add that to the mega charts pages per popular request as well!

@commanderbly009 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexusAny plans to do the same for graphics cards? Maybe idle, watching videos, that kinda stuff

@michaelbuto305 5 ай бұрын

@@commanderbly009 I think that will be a good idea if Nvidia release low power GPU.

@deirrelevant 5 ай бұрын

Also regarding the IO die idle power consumption. Could you test with some different ram speeds if this ever gets a dedicated piece. Given potential sleep states not being active for the IO die for some of the higher ram speeds. This might disproportionately affect threadrippers ofc.@@GamersNexus

@offspringfan89 5 ай бұрын

Idle power usage is where Intel wins compared to AMD desktop CPUs.

@jedimastapeb 5 ай бұрын

The coverage you all have been doing, on virtually everything, has been outstanding. I know it's not much, but here's a token of appreciation. I debated whether or not I should give you this, considering you got someone's whole paycheck as a result of this video. I'm obviously in the wrong line of work.

@Brockzillagaming 5 ай бұрын

I don't think they're actually getting anything from Greg lol. He's all talk. But if you want to support them, it's better to buy from their store, they get a similar cut to what KZfaq gives them and you get a thing!

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

$20 is huge! Thank you so much. We really appreciate that. That's a large donation for us and they all go a long way!

@jedimastapeb 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@Brockzillagaming Yeah, I know they didn’t actually get a paycheck, it was a joke. :)

@felixwehner5450 5 ай бұрын

I can't believe you guys made such an outstanding video in regards of testing methodology, just because some dude posted a relatively stupid comment. I think it's a very interesting video and quiet important to not just look at pure peak performance but also at those metrics. Thank you for the work you guys put into those videos.

@thorgen_ironside5279 5 ай бұрын

Once again top shelf content, well done Gamersnexus!

@beachslap7359 5 ай бұрын

Also add short support of their sockets to the problem.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

That's a different problem!

@manitoba-op4jx 5 ай бұрын

that's a dealbreaker for me. if i can get a motherboard with an intel socket for cheap or free i'll take it but if i'm buying new AMD desktop motherboards hold value longer because they don't get obsoleted as fast. anyone who bought an am4 board in the last 6 years can attest to that for the record: when i built my home server last year, i opted for an asrock imb-1711 motherboard and an i9-10900KF. when i bought my gaming pc in 2017, i got a ryzen 5.

@oneaboveallferrarifan2725 5 ай бұрын

Constant crashing, mobo problems, can’t oc ram on 4 sticks etc. etc. on my 7800x3d with NO issues zipping on coffee ☕️

@sean8102 5 ай бұрын

That was the main reason I went with a 7800X3D over intel when upgrading from my 8700K this month. After I read that their next gen of CPU's will need a new socket. Not buying a new mobo that's already a upgrade dead end. AMD claims they will support AM5 for "years to come" and with the longevity of AM4 I believe them.

@thebcwonder4850 5 ай бұрын

@@sean8102 AMD only gave 5000 support on AM4 because Intel would’ve been more popular if they didn’t

@gregoryburzy468 5 ай бұрын

As a Greg, I appreciate the shout outs. I have plenty of ideas that I like to test on my own because I have no life, however I'm not bitter like these other Gregs. Thanks Steve, you're living my dream job and I appreciate your work and being the gold standard in journalistic tech enthusiasm. Merry Christmas!

@TECHiSuppose 5 ай бұрын

Great data! Totally not surprised a smaller manufacturing process pulled ahead in efficiency, lol. The kWh charts were especially great. I'd be curious about idle or near idle power consumption between systems. Like whether either brand has better technology to keep computers efficient when they are not doing intense work. Such as browsing and maybe watching videos. Maybe the differences are insignificant but that could be charted out over their expected lifetime make it significant (say 5 years). EDIT, I saw idle was mentioned toward the end, nice!

@washaa 3 ай бұрын

Sometimes I can sit down with my desktop for half a day only browsing or watching videos. Sometimes I use the PC daily but don't game for a week. The power consumption of having a few base programs up is just as important as the heavy load consumption since I only game for a few hours each week. Some kind of baseline would be nice to see, however it is defined.

@Targonis1 2 ай бұрын

It's not all about the fab process, but is more about the focus. Intel is taking the attitude, "just throw more power at the chip to let it clock higher", and the result is that efficiency goes right out the window. Alder Lake to Raptor Lake to Raptor Lake Refresh, yea, add some E-cores going from 12th gen to 13th gen, add cache, but then boost the power draw for higher clock speeds. Intel has been using this approach since the 7th generation when Intel had locked its upgrade path to the fab process. Oh, Skylake...yea, 10nm wasn't ready yet, so Skylake with more power and higher clock speeds was what we saw from 6th to 7th gen. Then 8th gen, still Skylake, but with 6 cores at the top end. 9th gen, 8 cores at the top end, but still Skylake. 10th gen, yep, for the desktop, Intel still couldn't improve the design, so again, Skylake drawing more power for higher clock speeds. 11th gen, still no 10nm on the desktop, all a joke. That was the big, "same design, throw more power at it for higher clock speeds" approach. Intel is still doing it that way, being so obsessed with higher clock speeds, they don't bother with thinking about efficiency at all.

@TECHiSuppose 2 ай бұрын

@@Targonis1Not all about, sure. I'll agree there. Though this video clearly shows differences when the CPUs are given the same power limits. Design can certainly be a factor as well. All that said I'd consider manufacturing process the key attribute.

@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 5 ай бұрын

"Greg" is clearly confusing Intel v AMD now with Intel v AMD in 2013. Big, big, big difference.

@andersjjensen 5 ай бұрын

The "avalanche moment" was July 7th 2019 when Ryzen 3000 launched. Since then the efficiency disparity has only grown larger with every generation.

@shortyorc121 5 ай бұрын

From the 1st Gen i7 all the way up to when amd released Ryzen is the reason why I'll never buy Intel ever again. 5 to 10% increase generation their tick tock business plan and extremely over priced cpus for a good 7 plus years. Every generation had a new chipset requiring a new motherboard. na I'm good I'll stick with ryzen even if it is slower.

@Slyons89 5 ай бұрын

When they made the 9700k the same chip as the 9900k and then artificially restricted hyperthreading so only 9900k had it, for hundreds of dollars more, that was the moment Intel blew their reputation for me. Total gross money grab behavior.@@shortyorc121

@shoarmadad5307 5 ай бұрын

@@shortyorc121Please don't do this. Who knows, maybe in a couple years the roles will be reversed again and Intel will be the better option.

@enlightendbel 5 ай бұрын

@@andersjjensen The disparity was already there at that point. People just didn't pay any attention yet. Intel chips have been toasting systems since the P4 days. Back then even worse with Intels choice of ram being extremely power hunger on top of that. And in the server market it was even worse where it peaked at the point of the Intel 5000 series Xeon platforms used 300+W just siting idle. Intel changed their tune because datacenters started demanding better power efficiency on chipsets and the CPUs themselves, which allowed AMD to sell FX era Opteron platforms to datacenters while being far less performant, simply because they were so much more power efficient compared to Intel.

@Jixxers 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this! Funny, I have the 13900k and a 4090. I took a month plus away from gaming, and my energy bill lowered by 50%. I've never seen my electricity bill this cheap. When bg3 came out, I had never seen my electricity bill that high before.

@spookyskellyskeleton609 5 ай бұрын

Bg3 is amazing lol

@badz1497 5 ай бұрын

Bill it to Greg. he seems like somebody who likes to throw money away. win-win

@Xfade81 5 ай бұрын

A simple underclock changes alot. Also, if your bill lowered by 50% you must have been gaming 12 hours a day + that your 4090 draws way more power. BG3 is not really the game that taxes the most either. So yeah... today on what never happened. Or you're getting screwed by your power provider.

@spookyskellyskeleton609 5 ай бұрын

@@Xfade81 bg3 does draw power if you max out

@rasurin 5 ай бұрын

@@Xfade81hi Greg 2

@andysPARK 5 ай бұрын

Superbly helpful information again, thanks :)

@kena50 5 ай бұрын

This is a really great content! Thank you GN!

@shockwave77598 5 ай бұрын

The issue with power is also the costs to COOL the chip. In addition to the cost to power the chip, you need a bigger cooler. Aaaand the heat goes into the house, which means in summer you also have to power an AC more to move it out of the house too.

@MrQuay03 5 ай бұрын

But you get a good heater in the winter, lol

@jmiller6066 5 ай бұрын

It's also a big deal for SFF builders like me, where cooling is already constrained

@Postman00 5 ай бұрын

@@MrQuay03use heat pumps. >100% efficiency.

@connivingkhajiit 5 ай бұрын

@Postman00 COP is different from efficiency

@saywhat9158 5 ай бұрын

@@MrQuay03Not an equal trade off in global warming where winter is only at best 3 months long for the majority of people.

@RealJonzuk 5 ай бұрын

i want to say good job to the audio team at gamers nexus im using flat curved headphones the sony md 7506 and the audio is fantastic

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@spacedoutcowboy5211 5 ай бұрын

GN production quality is peak

@cajampa 5 ай бұрын

Agreed, GN's audio quality makes them one of the few channels I can watch at 3x without having to use text to get all the information.

@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын

@@cajampa How do you even get 3x, with an extension or something? YT doesn't offer that natively. Also that's LUDICROUSLY FAST considering how quickly Steve already talks. :D

@cajampa 5 ай бұрын

@@jubuttib I use ReVanced Extended to get 3x and many more settings missing from the regular KZfaq app. On PC browser there exist addons for this also but I am not on my PC right now and I do not remember what it is called. But there is a bunch of them in the chrome addon store. One thing that really help with being able to pick up and follow the information at faster speeds is great neutral speakers, listening through lower quality mobile speakers makes it harder. And of course great recording and mixing like GN is doing. Also at least some basic treatment of the room helps also, if you are listing in a room with lots of reflections, your mind will struggle to follow and pick up everything from the noise of all the reflections, when it goes really fast. When it works great, it feels more like speed reading, you injest the information almost more in shunks than word for word. And when it does not work so great you might need to "cheat" with having the text on.

@faealiciadotsys 5 ай бұрын

Sincerely, thank you GN, and thank you Greg. This is the kind of data I really need to see. The synthetic benchmarks are fine, but some real world data is especially useful for my situation. I'd really enjoy seeing this data set expanded to include lower TDP CPUs like the 65W Ryzen 7 5700X and 7600, as well as a GPU equivalent set. My needs are probably not so unique in the USA, as many renters suffer from landlords that are restrictive with what we can do ourselves while unwilling to fix things when presented with them. I personally am living in an apartment with shoddy electrical wiring and share it with roommates in order to be able to afford a roof over my head. The circuit that my computer is on is also shared with computers from other roommates and we don't have a way to work around it. As a result, power efficiency is extremely important partly to keep the electricity bill down, but more importantly, so that we don't blow the circuit breaker whenever we're all using our computers. I picked out my system specifically for its overall power consumption. I chose a Ryzen 7 5700G with a Radeon RX 6700 XT. The former because I had a B450 motherboard already and wouldn't benefit from the 5700X's PCIe 4.0 support, and it was cheaper anyway. Besides that, the 5700X/G are the best AM4 CPUs whose TDP is only 65W. Going any higher would bump the max power draw and bring me closer to the apartment circuit's limit, and that limit is the primary factor for me. The 6700 XT was chosen because it was a solid and affordable mid-range card at the time of purchase. My specific card has its limit set to 194W, but my testing showed that limiting it to 120W gave the best power vs performance ratio. The FPS gain past that was only 1-3 FPS per 10W on average, while going lower than that saw closer to a 5 FPS per 10W decrease in the same test scenario. Add in peripherals and dual monitors and this results in a very capable gaming machine capable of achieving 120 FPS at 1080p with max details in almost all my games while still only pulling 300W max from the wall, as measured by my UPS.

@faealiciadotsys 5 ай бұрын

Incidentally, my previous system also has very good power efficiency. (The B450 motherboard had to come from somewhere.) A Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1050 that I was using as a secondary GPU because the R9 290x doesn't have hardware HEVC support. The 1050 is lower power consumption anyway and I won't need it for intensive tasks, so it would work perfectly for the file server's display. With a few more parts, I can reassemble it to replace my current file server and vastly expand the capabilities while keeping overall idle power consumption under 30W. Beyond that, I ccan add some extra features such as router capabilities. I'm aware of the security concerns that comes with running a router on the same system as a file server, but adding a 4-port PCIe NIC would let me create a much faster and customizable router for my local network than anything I can get store-bought while only increasing idle power consumption by maybe 10W more at most. It'd also save on the amount of cables, making for a cleaner setup. I'd even have extra processing power to let me host dedicated servers for playing private games with my friends without affecting performance on the other parts. I'd be able to do all of that with a single system that draws less tham 40W at idle and probably around 210W under full load. AMD really has knocked power efficiency out of the park, and thanks to them, it's possible for a poor, disabled, lifelong tech nerd like myself to have an extremely powerful setup that Intel and Nvidia simply can't provide.

@infiniteagony5495 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for giving us this awesome video Greg

@VascovanZeller 5 ай бұрын

Regarding power I just want to point out that for users in hot climates who game in summer with air conditioning, the power consumption difference is much greater than just the CPU consumption as you also have to factor in the added AC costs.

@Argedis 5 ай бұрын

Same could be said for GPUs

@domm6812 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. I'm so glad people are pointing this out. So sick of dismissive reviewers who exclaim "nobody cares about power draw". Not true.

@A_Name_ 5 ай бұрын

Yup, I have a window unit in my room and it's on the same circuit as my PC because I have no other option than running an extension cord half way across my house so this is very useful info for me.

@JJFX- 5 ай бұрын

There's also the PSU requirement. While not always a significant cost difference, you'd typically want more power headroom on Intel. Granted, for AM5 the generally higher motherboard cost likely makes a slightly larger PSU irrelevant for new builds but it's another point nonetheless.

@ccc3 5 ай бұрын

scandinavians be like: 💙

@Yuki2204 5 ай бұрын

There is a certain level of professional spite here, And I absolutely appreciate it.

@artofnoise5013 5 ай бұрын

That's the perfect description for it!

@polacofederos 5 ай бұрын

love the 3dfx box on top on the back

@Lotiks. 5 ай бұрын

It's so nice to see how Tech Reviewers always come up with new ways to approach things and you really cut it again with this one. Always thought that Power is an underated Aspect in CPU / GPU reviews.

@SpencerHHO 5 ай бұрын

As an Australian with relatively cheap electricity this still matters. Heat can be a major factor in summer especially when you don't want to run AC. If you need to run and it works harder or you run it when you otherwise wouldn't due to heat load that extra power can start to ad up.

@nojuanatall3281 5 ай бұрын

Same here in Texas. I don't use my oven during the summer while the sun is out. My AC can't catch up if I do. I turn off lights and keep the windows covered.

@moto3463 5 ай бұрын

I run a 13900k in Australia no problem cooling

@Pushing_Pixels 5 ай бұрын

Heat can be a big factor if you live in a warm climate. My apartment gets sun all day and is not well insulated. Nice in winter, not nice in summer. I work from home, with the computer on all day and half the night, so those extra watts dumping heat into the room do make a difference.

@mfb4730 5 ай бұрын

@@Pushing_PixelsEven in cold or normal climate it can matter much. As an example in Europe most houses are build to preserve heat as much as possible. Running your Gaming PC for a few hours already heats up your room pretty fast. And If its Not like deep winter you cant just cool your room down fast without using an AC.

@xIcarus227 5 ай бұрын

@@Pushing_Pixels very much this. I used to live in an apartment which had sunlight all day just like you do, and upgrading from a 970 to a 1080Ti absolutely made a difference in the summer. Couldn't really get by without an AC after the upgrade.

@Hennue 5 ай бұрын

I think I remember from your video on californian power supply regulation that idle draw plays a huge role in overall power consumption. At least for non-gaming use, I could imagine most systems run hot for 0.5s to load a program/webpage and then idle 99% of the time. So I am glad you mentioned idle draw at the end and am looking forward to your tests on this.

@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын

Great memory! I bet not a lot of people remember that one. Will be doing idle over the next couple months!

@Voodoo_One 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Great to hear. A fun aspect on the side: Since I do a lot of normal office work on a daily basis (self employed), I used for the last 5-6 years a notebook with a dock instead of the big gaming machine in the daily activity - only for games and higher workloads (Blender, compiling, ...) I turn on the big machine. Living in germany with higher prices for power it does make a difference, since notebooks are extremly power efficient. For my case it made especially sense, since I need a mobile device anyway for visits to the client. So a win-win.

@pradeepchinna5545 5 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus I think Intel got this one, I have done extensive search on this topic on Internet. Intel 12th gen+ wins every time.

@lesath7883 5 ай бұрын

@@pradeepchinna5545Are you willing to bet your paycheck on that?

@Spark010 5 ай бұрын

Love the frames per Watt metrics. Think you should select 2 games as baselines and the current top selling game so that the data is meaningful at the time of benchmarking for gamers who are building a system for the current top seller.

@disafear3674 4 ай бұрын

That was some very cool experimentation and data!

@silverarm6130 5 ай бұрын

Nice work on this one. Power consumption and power efficiency are two of the most important yet overlooked aspects of this technology.

@pino_de_vogel 5 ай бұрын

sadly optimal power target/limit was never shown as they capped fps for gaming not power which is hot the correct way to go about it.

@user-lp5wb2rb3v 5 ай бұрын

intel bulldozer moment lol

@MultiOlimac 5 ай бұрын

some intel fanboys only state that the 14900k smokes amd just because of raw performance while drawing three times or more wattage. thats what they never tell users, and also that it gets hotter while doing so.

@esotericjahanism5251 5 ай бұрын

@@MultiOlimac Well TBF some people don't really care about it if they have the money for a proper cooling solution. Most people just aren't going to figure power efficiency into a Gaming build. A server or workstation that's going to be running 24/7 and there's going to be dozens of them? yeah people are going to care then. But most gamers are just going to buy the CPU that gets them the best frames that's within their budget or other build constraints.

@user-to7ds6sc3p 5 ай бұрын

@@pino_de_vogel no. Why would you limit power for gaming? You want a smooth experience first and power efficiency second. Limiting power low enough to potentially destroy or have fluctuating framerate kinda defeats the whole point. No sane person buys a top end CPU to look themself out of 60+FPS gaming. Limiting power for non gaming makes way more sense, because you don't need a specific speed/framerate to get a enjoyable experience.

@rellikai945 5 ай бұрын

Man Greg really on a tear of headassery lately. Someone needs to stop this absolute menace to society!

@Habixus 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the awesome video! That's exactly what I've asked for and I just got this video :D The only little addition I would've liked is a graph for the idle power consumption. Sure, it's awesome that my room stays cool while gaming with the 7800X3D, but I'm 80% doing office stuff and my 10600k only used about 12W compared to the 7800X3D taking ~30W. Doesn't matter that much, but I need to let fresh air in a bit more often now. while working from home.

@gmonkman 5 ай бұрын

Great piece of testing and analysis

@elforeign 5 ай бұрын

Steve, wow, the GN team delivers some of the best most objective content on KZfaq full stop. And while the comment leading to this video was wild, the testing and analysis of power consumption and efficiency in real world application is incredible and eye opening - thank you for this and hope to see this work in future videos for future cpus and gpus

@friendlyhobo6483 5 ай бұрын

The money you waste on electricity can be deducted when you realize the intel cpu’s can be used as a duel purpose heater for your home.

@DimkaTsv 5 ай бұрын

On other hand your power bill will double on air conditioner during summer. P.S. There is centralized heating during winters where i live, so even there Intel CPU will make things worse by overheating room up to point when temperature forces me to open window to cool it down

@R4d1o4ct1v3_ 5 ай бұрын

This just gave me a flashback to ancient times, when we used to make that joke about AMD CPUs xD The pre-Ryzen era really was dark times all around.

@greebj 5 ай бұрын

We just need to run it at negative GHz so it sucks heat out of your room in summer Hurry up and figure it out already, Science

@walterwhite415 5 ай бұрын

@@greebj Just go to the bios and set a negative offset of 10ghz on your CPU and boom, your CPU is running backwards now! ggez

@mikfhan 5 ай бұрын

@@R4d1o4ct1v3_ dark days indeed, but now we are back to the Athlon days :D competition rocks!

@Kaladin_S_ 5 ай бұрын

Really loving the creative intros!

@ShomyMK 3 ай бұрын

Great analyze and comparison story!

@fruzeniusgames 5 ай бұрын

Well, thanks Greg for spurring some new testing from GN. Really interesting to see the efficiency between them for real world use cases.

@malinpl2 5 ай бұрын

This is the best CPU test ever. This should be presented to all people who want to build their new PC

@nakotaapache4674 5 ай бұрын

Great comparison, well done.

@dawienel1142 5 ай бұрын

Great video and it was definitely needed. I wonder what response Greg will have here (XD) I would like to see him honours his bet.

@DarioCastellarin 5 ай бұрын

A minute of silence for Greg's paycheck.

@JayBe443 5 ай бұрын

You guys do outstanding testing for consumer products, with data and knowledge of how it applies. All while making it easy to understand. You guys rock. Considering my basic, general understanding of computers, watching a shorts series or videos showcasing your testing methods and what they aim to achieve is needed. Alot of things go over my head or lead me into rabbit holes. Maybe thats why google recommend the channel lmao

@Lurch-Bot 5 ай бұрын

I think he's on to something here. There is far too much BS flying around in the industry and we need an independent, nonprofit organization to test PC components for safety, efficiency and performance. UL is a joke with their 3D Farce benchmark. If anyone could get intel off their butts and designing a modern architecture, I bet Steve can. The problem is they've been huffing their own farts for too long over there at intel and they've gotten complacent. Now the entire world can see what BS artists they are. This troll post that prompted all this new testing was undoubtedly the direct result of intel propaganda. Why put the effort into R&D when troll bots are cheaper and more effective?

@bryanasher6245 5 ай бұрын

That was fun! Love the work you're doing, great nerd factor! Greg should thank his lucky stars...

@OrangeGenerator 5 ай бұрын

THANKS STEVE! and all the other staff of Gamers Nexus :P

@watercannonscollaboration2281 5 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure when Amit had his 7 leftover X3D CCDs he never could’ve imagined how much of a game changer (pun unintended) a server part would become in performance and efficiency

@JellyLancelot 5 ай бұрын

Greg out there looking like the CEO of User Benchmark

@chaoswatcher2215 5 ай бұрын

the fact that the 5800X3D is beating some pcie gen 5 intel CPU's in terms of performance and efficiency just makes me more happy I chose it for an upgrade from my r5 3600. well worth it.

@malcomreynolds4103 5 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as a "pcie gen5 cpu" so sorry to hear your processor is obsolete though

@RealGreyGhost 5 ай бұрын

It may be obsolete, but its the best value for someone building a PC on a budget. And especially when people are starting to increase the resolution they game at, CPU matters less and less when you're more reliant on GPU power. Bro could probably keep his 5800X3D for 10 years and still comfortable game at 4k/60 before needing to upgrade platforms.

@chaoswatcher2215 5 ай бұрын

@@malcomreynolds4103 when I said pcie gen 5 cpu, im referring to the cpu's which only sit in the newer am5 socket or any of intels 13th/14th gen lineup of CPU's that use DDR 5 memory

@chaoswatcher2215 5 ай бұрын

@@RealGreyGhost Ya the 5800x3D has been going strong in my MSi X570 motherboard w/ 32 GB of cl16 3600 mhz ram. It's paired with an RTX 3060 12 GB. Running games really well @ 165 hz 1080p.

@WigneyR 5 ай бұрын

The new mouse mats look awesome, they do look a little too small height/depth wise though seems closer to a bar mat size but I could be wrong I’ll have to check the sizes on your website

@Shiny_Dragonite 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for owing them a paycheck, Greg! Not only was this video entertaining, it's also incredibly useful. Context: my eyes can't notice a difference on anything above 90 FPS, so I tend to look for more power efficient/cheaper CPUs, especially now that I live in a place where power costs fluctuate wildly and I also spend 9 hours a day at a minimum on my PC for work and use the same for gaming. I haven't had a top of market gaming setup since the first gen i7 because it hasn't been worth the investment to me.

@matejboras9279 5 ай бұрын

exactly this... Planned to build 5800x3d and 4060 for that low TDP and good performance.

@carolares 5 ай бұрын

maybe you should re-evaluate other gpus for that CPU choice, the only reason getting a 4060 is if the price is insanely cheap otherwise you're wasting that CPU power or your money@@matejboras9279

@LeLe-pm2pr 5 ай бұрын

@@matejboras9279 fyi, the 4070 is a muuuuuuch better choice than the 4060ti 16gig, and it's probably the most competitive of all 4000-series cards, especially in the US, where it dropped as low as 515$, while the 7800xt is still a 500$

@everope 5 ай бұрын

@@matejboras9279 according to techpowerup, the 4080 is actually the most power efficient (frames per watt), just too bad it's too expensive

@matejboras9279 5 ай бұрын

@@LeLe-pm2pr 350$ 4060@115W vs 600$ 6800XT@300W. that's alot of money in pocket on purchase and every month on electricity bill. both can run new games and both wont be relevant in few years... and if you are doing gaming only then a 500$ ps5 is probably a better option for 4k@60 gaming than a 2000$ pc, and that ps5 will still be optimized for 4k until ps6 comes out in 5+ years

@Mamiya645 5 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see Intel's army of lawyers try to help them outta this one. Maybe there's another benchmark site they can buy.

@gg-gn3re 5 ай бұрын

Greg will have to be giving them a lot of paychecks for the fee

@JJFX- 5 ай бұрын

Well it's not like there's no reason someone would choose an Intel system but for the average gamer it's certainly compelling now that DDR5 and budget AM5 boards are much more reasonable. Honestly I'm just stoked there's healthy competition and enjoy both platforms for different reasons. AM5 still has its frustrations but has come a long way since launch. The next few years are going to be a lot of fun and I'm much more excited about all of this than the current state of the GPU market.

@kingzilant 5 ай бұрын

I love the new snarkier Steve lol the energy is just entertaining and informative... keep it up GN.

@willie9899 5 ай бұрын

Long term, instructions per watt would be pretty interesting. It helps highlight what company is actually improving their efficiencies (and heat).

@Neverwinterx 5 ай бұрын

21:49 This a really interesting chart. As someone in a privileged position I don't really care about the cost for myself personally. But I've never seen such an extensive chart for the energy cost for gaming before. Great stuff.. Edit: Would be interesting to see this chart for an entire pc for a top-tier-don't-care-about-money build vs good-price-performance build vs low budget build.

@Elinzar 5 ай бұрын

i would like to see what the edit suggested edit: i have phat fingers

@SupraSav 5 ай бұрын

With the way price fluctuations and sales occur, that data would be inaccurate within a couple weeks, at best.

@anthonyblacker8471 5 ай бұрын

Good suggestion imo, I am on the other side of things and was very lucky to upgrade my older am4 setup to the 5800x3d and it was the best $289 I think i've ever spent in all the years I've been building my own computers. (since the late 80s).. I think what I have now should last me at least 2 more generations unless of course AI changes the world anytime soon!!

@scottb5716 5 ай бұрын

I live off grid so these charts are very important for me. It's not a matter of cost, it's a matter of can I get that amount of power from the sun.

@shartzinator 5 ай бұрын

The data on this chart (21:49) is interesting, but I would like to suggest that the presentation is confusing. In particular, the use of a line graph, when there's no relationship between labels on the X axis, is confusing at first glance. (That is, there's really no reason to say 'power goes down from a 14900k to 13900k and down further to a 12900k, but up to a 14700k'.) I think the line graph was chosen to try and help distinguish the 4 different rates, but I think a bar chart, with 4 color-coded bars per CPU, would have made more logical sense.

@cd860viu 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Greg's paycheck for sponsoring this test :)

@johnnm3207 5 ай бұрын

start putting these benchmarks on your website such that one can contrast and compare one CPU vs another. You have very good measuring techniques

@zil6470 5 ай бұрын

Good Job, Thank You and keep up the good work!

@MartinStrazynski 5 ай бұрын

"and is entirely funded by people like you, our viewers. And, people like Greg..." Instantly paused the clip to make sure I had hit thumbs up after that one. Hilarious (and educational) content, as always. Appreciate you guys. Happy New Year!

@shaneeslick 5 ай бұрын

That special ad was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I almost choked on my vegemite toast

@snozzmcberry2366 5 ай бұрын

Never in the history of fanboyism has anyone been so thoroughly, exhaustively, yet 10/10 class act also educationally shut. the. fuck. down. The fact that the fanboy accidentally, by sheer luck, induced GN to explore an entirely new way of measuring and evaluating data about CPUs is just.. I love this. I am more filled with joy over the good that was made than I am sadistic joy over corporate worship idiocy being given the heaviest of boots. There's a lot of both, but new data = awesome still wins out. Love you, Steve & team. ...but, like, imagine provoking an incredibly in-depth effective advertisement to the complete contrary of what you argued. I reeeally doubt any white collar folks over at Intel would be pleased with this turn of events. It's beautiful. The whole thing, just beautiful.

@futuza 5 ай бұрын

Intel: "Shutup Greg, shutup! We don't need them taking a closer look-damnit Greg!"

@gosuprime 5 ай бұрын

People should make their PC decisions based on performance, not brand loyalty. The current best setups involve an AMD CPU, and Nvidia GPU. I'm not team red or team green, i'm team "whoever has the best/most efficient parts." I've liked Intel CPUs in the past, and wasn't sure if it was worth a platform swap to an AMD chip, but the 7800x3D and 5800x3D have been so impressive and super fast that making an AM5 system was a very easy decision. "But if you like Nvidia you can't support AMD!" Nonsense. I'm not loyal to shareholders, i'm loyal to whoever is making the best components...cause it's my system! I hope the AMD 3D CPUs make Intel improve and maybe down the line they will have a solid competitor, not just Raptor Lake refresh+++.

@olo398 5 ай бұрын

preach.

@JS-be8ll 5 ай бұрын

@gosuprime nah, AMD CPU and GPU is best bang for the buck. 6700xt, 7600, or 7800xt, I'd take over any comparable Nvidia gpu right now at current price points. The supers might change it up though.

@thedoctor7158 5 ай бұрын

@@gosuprime Being that my major hobby is CGI rendering using software I have used for the past 11 years so I know it extremely well, I have to be team green. Iray only runs on Nvidia GPUs else it drops to glacially slow using the CPU. However CPUs are a different thing entirely. I am doing a full new build next year and know zero about AMD as I have been using intel for so long. I have no clue what CPU to get that would match a 13700 or 14700 nor do I know anything about AMD compatible motherboards.