It's a shame that tunneling is so prohibitively expensive. If it weren't, the MTA could get this connected to SIR and run it all the way to the Bronx under MNR. Then it'd actually connect all the outer boroughs. Imagine that, the MTA being legitimately ambitious for once in our lifetimes. What a sight that would be

It's about time NY spent some serious money on the subway. The London Tube, light rail and tram system has been under continuous improvement for decades.

Extending this line into the Bronx is such a no-brainer that I'm surprised it isn't part of the plan from the outset.

I can't believe this has taken so long; there's needed to be direct train connections between Brooklyn and Queens for decades.

I would love to see an extension or a branch to LaGuardia running above the freeway, like the AirTrain on Van Wijk. A one-seat ride to the airport from Brooklyn would be great.

As a bronxite i wish it went to the bronx, as I could get to queens mroe easily.

If this became a commuter rail, It may cause a commence in a commuter rail modernization project where fairs will be simplified, seating in trains will be Longitudinal and transversal and frequency could increase. This would be great!

Extend it through Staten Island via reactivated north shore line to the NEC at Elizabeth, perhaps terminating at Newark Penn Station. Extend Hudson Bergen Light Rail south to interchange with IBX at Port Richmond

I think this is an excellent idea and when implemented people will always wonder why it didn’t happen earlier and in fact want it extended. As someone that has lived overseas these sort of lines are great for cross city transport and eliminate needless travel into and out of the city.

I live by the Roosevelt ave stop and this would change my life, the g is great but there’s so many stops it takes forever

I explore the tracks frequently (lots of entrances) and it would be much cheaper to convert it into LIRR Or metro north, there are places in which they could easily add stations, however these old stations were rebuilt into buildings making it near impossible to revive some of the abandoned stations When it comes to transfers to other train lines there could EASILY be a transfer to the N given the tracks are near connected at some points, but for trains like the f it would be more difficult as there’s a grocery store where the station would be, for the Q it wouldn’t be too hard they would just have to knock down the abandoned MTA electrical facility to make room for connections, for the 2/5 trains it’s impossible but given the MTAs budget it’ll prob be commuter rail

Although I am not from NYC I'm thinking, don't build it as light rail, tram, or BRT. Build it either as a subway, commuter or regional rail, or a hybrid like the SIR. A commuter or regional rail or an SIR-like hybrid could be extended across Hell's Gate due to FRA compliant trains. So can a subway if it's converted. Light rail, trams, and BRT cannot.

Living in Brooklyn, I have dealt with issues going to other parts of the borough such as bay ridge. I think this would be a great addition to the transit system. I just hope it wouldn't take too long to complete.

I think one tricky aspect of making this new line a part of either the LIRR or Metro-North is that the fare structure and ticketing procedure could be seen as less desirable than if it's to be integrated into the NYC Subway, at least in the eyes of public. This is because at least currently the NYC Subway still has a system wide flat rate ($2.75) fare structure that requires only 1 tap/swipe per trip. Meanwhile the commuter rails have more of a distance based fare structure and the tickets are checked on board versus at the gates or turnstiles. Also the fares of some trips are significantly higher if you are to take the LIRR or Metro-North versus the Subway and Bus alternative. I actually know people who would go out of their way to avoid making their trips to parts of Westchester and Long Island on the commuter rail lines simply because making the same trip via subway and bus is cheaper even if it's often also slower. Obviously the situation would be completely different if the NYC Subway is to adapt a distance based tap in at your origin and tap out at your destination fare collection scheme used by some transit systems around the world. I think it's relatively uncommon in the US in comparison to the flat rate system. The BART in the San Francisco Bay Area, DC Metro, and Seattle's Sound Transit Link Light Rail are the 3 domestic systems I can think of that uses it.

Interesting idea to have it be a Metro North expansion which might help the possible scheduling constraints of why the current plan doesn't go to the Bronx. I think SIR rolling stock having it be a subway is best for cost and consistency.

Running it as a commuter rail line under the LIRR would be the best bet. Trying to run it as a subway line would become a regulatory nightmare.

You should make a video talking about the Nostrand and Flatbush Avenue extension proposals, the 2 to Sheepshead Bay and the 5 to Kings Plaza. Also a video about the "New Mannahatta" proposal. Love the content

Oh this makes sense, exactly why it has taken so long to finally get to the drawing board in NY. Now if they could continue the train further from its Jackson Heights station to stop at LGA, then Ditmars, and then two branches, one across 125st and the other directly into the Bronx. (Obviously this second part can come later). And then in the south extended across the Narrows to Staten Island, which is very shallow and a sunken tunnel construction method could be used to make it affordable and minimize interruptions to the shipping channel. Now if they could extend the G train to terminate at or near Ditmars it would complete the loop, with the G in the west and the IBE in the east. Providing all of these connections would be fantastic for these areas and provide a much needed connection between important and populated areas.

The bronx to staten island without going through Manhattan would be amazing. There is an unfinished tunnel that was made from Brooklyn to Staten island in the early 1900s .Its 100 feet long but itsca start

I've been saying this for years. There is already a road bed there owned by the LIRR. It connects every subway in Bklyn + the LIRR East NY Station. It was originally "THE Manhattan Beach RR to Coney Island. In the 60's they wanted to build a Cross Bklyn Expressway over it but residents protested and stopped it.

I'm actually feeling what You suggested. If the Interboro we're built as a "regional system",then it would be able to use the Hellsgate bridge trackage to the new stations being built for Metro Norths without grade separation/train protection. Smaller Hybrid cars like the like modified M9s at 75ft NYCT size ...with adaptive boggies that will meet platform heights at intergrated like Jamaica.,the entire Atlantic Branch could be incorporated into this route,along with the Rockaway branch And Montauk. This could be the beginning of a whole new regional hybrid system that will join the subway And Commuter rail systems together. Even the Airports are linked via a new air train. It's can be done.

Yo, sidenote, like the background music in this video. I think this line should be done. It would make many ppl lives easier.

Chicago needs exactly this, currently it’s faster to get to the other side of Chicago (North-South, vise versa) on a bus faster than a train since you have to go through the city and transfer depending on what area of the city your going to

Really great explanation of the different options available and what could be done with the line overall! I can't lie, a part of me still kinda feels like just on Keep It Simple Stupid principles and my own inherent bias, that this line should just be a subway line just because its the easiest way to have all the "linkage" and fare concerns addressed by maintaining parity with what already goes on in the MTA subway system for normies like me (that and I just really like subways lol). What's more, the region being served by this should be catered to in a way where it doesn't alienate any potential regular ridership and I'd think a whole subway line that just plays nice with everything already available is as straightforward as it gets. At the same time, the bits you pointed out near the end about the commuter rail compatibility with already existent infrastructure along with the bit of trivia (I genuinely did not know about this at all despite being a NYC resident for my entire life) about how the stock for the Staten Island Railway work and are also FRA compliant to boot made enough sense as to why that'd probably be the move. If it does that though, it'd be cool if it gets a special designation, maybe as an honorary "subway line" on maps lol. Finally, just want to add that I'm definitely feeling like this should eventually become its full intended design and run into the Bronx since the borough is hurting for ways around the city that don't involve Manhattan and the previously proposed map just feels *right*. From my own observation and playing with Brand New Subway, I thought it would have been cool for it to have a second line running its length (perhaps a "local" variant) which would split from the line going north into the Bronx after departing Randall's Island station, go over Robert Kennedy Bridge, then become a cross upper Manhattan line via the eventual SAS 125th Street extension. Everyone gets a little something with that where the Interborough/Triboro gives Brooklyn an west-east line that moves through very transit sparse regions of the borough on the latter side, Queens gets another north-south line and a quick link into the Bronx + upper Manhattan that isn't bogged down to hell in midtown Manhattan, and the Bronx gets more coverage in its southeastern most landscape as well as that Manhattan-divorced method of getting to places in Queens and Brooklyn faster, and even Manhattan gets another east-west cross option that if they so chose could lead them through Queens into Brooklyn without the rest of Manhattan to ride through.

Great idea to improve rail service in NYC

They need to expand that service into Staten Island. That would definitely help every person on the island

I ❤ NYC Subway & Metro North Railroad

Whatever it ends up being, I just hope it actually happens, and ends up being very helpful.

Great way to spend the birthday. Sitting back with a transit commentary playing😄

Also I would love to see the old LIRR Rockaway line put back as a subway line.

I’m greatful for this video I’m a 100% with the IBX, question would be possible that we can collaborate our resources and do a full documentary on the IBX?

As an Aucklander, definitely agree that our trains would be suitable. They have good capacity and are comfortable. Our trains also share track with freight and run at 10 minute frequencies at peak, so is a good model to use

Also can’t forget the fact that there was passenger service on the Bay Ridge Branch until 1924 operated by the LIRR, so tbh it would make sense to have it as a LIRR city terminal zone line

I think the MTA should create a subway line, connect it to the SIR, rename it so it can give Staten Island the connection between boroughs they need.

Commuter makes best sense because Fremont Secondary is connected to NEC and Hell's Gate (which continues north towards the MNR) as well as Fresh Pond Junction that is directly off the LIRR Montauk Branch are right along the route. Not to mention (as some have pointed out) the line is regulated by the FRA, not the FTA, meaning there's no shot for a subway at all. Between that and the provisions being sought after for the once-proposed Cross-Harbor Rail Tunnel, it's quite obvious what direction they'll lean in.

This should definitely be a subway line. It would be the most impactful and beneficial IMO if it turned into a subway. Instead if using the bridge, make a tunnel if the MTA has to between the 2 boroughs

The Interborough Express can be a new hybrid rail transit line like the London Overground. We (transit enthusiasts) in the US have to stop thinking about rail transit as a dichotomy between urban heavy rail and commuter rail. The possibilities are endless once this way of thinking changes.

I am looking forward to observe the construction at least, in Midwood area.

I personally love the r44 car because I do like that seating

I propose that this new line have a station at Utica Ave. That would take away the foot traffic from Utica Ave (3,4) station.

I think it should be a commuter rail and I think they should do an expansion from New Rochelle New York into the Bronx over to Hell gate Bridge into Queens. And enter change from Metro North Railroad to Long Island railroad at Sunnyside Yard in Queens and that stretch should be operated on the L I are are rules from Queens into Brooklyn

Could definitely happen because people who lives in Bay Ridge and works in Jamaica, the time can cut more than half instead of taking the F Train at 4 Avenue - 9 Street

Yo the background music is fire

The Interboro Express, in theory, is a great idea. A couple of points. Extending it north to about 50th Street and 28th Avenue in Astoria would provide a transfer to the Metro-North line being built over the Hell Gate bridge. That would give most of the benefits offered by the previous RPA Triboro plan. Staten Island? I don't see a tunnel being built anytime soon. However, a ferry between St. George and Sunset Park (dropped in 1964) could be linked to the IBX.

It sounds like you want to turn a subway line into a commuter rail line by adding more frequency and subway seating arrangements. Commuter rail line would at most run every 15 minutes on peak hours. So I think it would be better as a metro if it needs more frequency and is more for short rides than a long commute.

I’m thrilled with this idea but I think the MTA should also concentrate on adding infill stations on Metro-North and LIRR and run the lines within city limits as a RER-style service. We could really add tons of service and capacity by thinking of those lines within city limits as a supplement to subway service. Through running of LIRR and NJT should be a project they start taking on.

you are such an underrated transit youtuber. i really like your content also yeah, a commuter rail line for this would be a great idea

London Overground may be a predecessor for this project.

Personally, idc if it should be a commuter rail or subway, I just wanna be able to use the metro card so if I want to transfer I won’t have to buy a whole new ticket just to get on

Would be great. Metro North is already planning to add three stations in the Bronx for the New Haven line of Metro North to take passengers to Penn Station via the hellgate. As far as this Bay Ridge line, that would be equally great. Tracks already exist in both instances, just need stations / other infrastructure and lots of $$$$

i'm not a New Yorker or big NYCT, or Metro-North/lirr enthusiast anymore but this would be dope, & revolutionary tbqh in my eyes it would make more A1, & high-quality that interconnects, and transfers via line, & et-cetra in all the 4 boros hopefully they'll extend it to Staten Island or some areas of NJ.

As a Bronxite myself, it’s a shame that the Bronx portion isn’t included in the plan and it even inspired me to make a reaction video on it from a Bronxite’s perspective. I hope they at least have a transfer station to PSA to get into the Bronx from Queens/Brooklyn at least.

It's a process of continuous upgrades. Not only is dead rail network being given new life in London, in the Provinces the same is happening with such a city as mine (Liverpool) planning to use old Freight Lines as reinvigorated Commuter Track. Also battery trains are also being considered to run services into the regions outside Liverpool. Allowing these services to run into the center without need to transfer from diesel powered units, to electrical powered units.

It needs to happen

Similar to what I commented in the other video about the IBX. If they don’t go with the triboro Rx plan, they should at least extend the last stop of the IBX into Astoria and build a station there so that they IBX and the Penn access line can meet and become a transfer point in order to make things fair. That way bronx residents can still get to pages like eastern queens and to bay ridge.

I'd love to see a Diesel Light Rail/Diesel Mulitple Unit system similar to the River Line who can use the existing freight and commuter rail tracks along the corridor. The train stops at cheaper-to-build Low Platform stations that can allow freight trains to still pass through without a complicated guntlet track installation and you can still add turnstiles or stairways up to existing stations like Avenue H.

I agree commuter rail Metro North Railroad and Long Island railroad expansion is the way to go these new lines in and out of New York city into the suburbs

The Bay Ridge section is used for freight trains.

Like the Harlem Line in the Bronx with 2-3× the frequency.

To hell with just one interborough line that goes everywhere in NYC BUT Manhattan… they really should strongly contemplate building LRT TRACKS (with bus & first responders allowed/designed for them to drive on) along the: >Verrazzano >RFK/Triborough >Throgs Neck & Whitestone Bridges added either onto the outside of the existing bridge deck… vaguely similar to Auckland NZ’s bridge but said “clip on’s” being 100% for transit usage. THERE’s your baseline for an Interborough SYSTEM… directly plugging into several MORE existing subway lines in transit deserts like perhaps the Utopia corridor in East Queens…

I'd actually much prefer the interborough line to be a regular subway, but if it wasn't, I'd much rather have it be a LIRR route. And if they're gonna start working on this plan, they should improve service on the G as well.

Hey you think you can do a least used station for the Q line? Btw love the vids keep it up!

I'd look into sending it to LGA, although the Bronx plan isn't terrible either

It needs to go to the Bronx.

The core Overground routes operate much high than 4 tph with the East London line running 16 tph, soon to go to 20!

The whole distinction between regional, commuter and subway is kind of artificial. In Tokyo there are trains like the JR lines which act analogous to the LIRR/MN except within Tokyo itself the stations are spaced more like a metro service giving commuters a single seat ride to most destinations. For intracity commute you pay with the same transit card as if it were a subway. The BART in SF is also like this, with metro-like spacing along Embarcadero but commuter like spacing once it leaves city limits. When you think about it, there's no reason why LIRR/MN should bring all the passengers into Penn/Grand and then force transfers to the nearest subway line. LIRR could have local stops in Manhattan at 3rd Ave, Broadway and 6th Ave for direct transfers to the 4/5/6, N/Q/R/W and B/D/F/M respectively. MN could have local stops at 63rd and 57th for direct transfers to the E/F/N/M/R rather than forcing all their commuters into the shuttle or 4/5/6. Now that the MTA controls both the subways and the regional rails, treating them as separate entities is nothing more than unjustified historical habit. So forget the hard line dividing subway and commuter. Focus only on practical implementation. IRX should be like a subway in the sense that you pay for it with your metrocard, it costs the same as any subway line, and you can transfer to subway lines for free. IRX should be like commuter rail in the sense that the rolling stock and driver qualifications are the same as a Class I railroad just like the PATH. IRX could maybe merge seamlessly with one of the LIRR / MN branches to give a single seat commuter/metro service, with passengers transiting beyond a certain point required to have a full ticket rather than just a normal subway fare.

Metro North shares trackage with Amtrak along the Hudson, so I think it makes sense to make it a branch of Metro North and connect to the Bronx shore line to either terminate in the Bronx or Grand Central. And yes, I know that creates a misnomer to have Metro North extend into Brooklyn, but cest la vie...

It would be better either as MNR or LIRR but if it becomes a commuter line,, the fare has to be the same as the subway otherwise people would avoid primarily because of cost. If we make it LIRR, why stop in Queens? Head on up to MNR and connect both RRs and provide some well needed connections. Making it part of the subway wouldn't make much sense if they are to share the tracks with NYAR. A bus way is absolutely pointless

As long as there is still freight service on the right of way it pretty much has to be commuter rail. We can't have frieght trains interfering with subway schedules, otherwise delays could spiral.

I may have commented before but I have some new ideas. At the northern end have a transfer station to the Metro North line into Penn Station and up into the Bronx to CT. Maybe even a transfer or direct trip into the East Side Connect so that people in Brooklyn have an alternative way to get to mid town. After this transfer station have it extended to LGA (an East side Connect ride to LGA too?) Maybe make the trains like the New Haven with dual modes so they could ultimately go everywhere: on the LIRR, Metro North AND NJ Transit as a through service to Newark and Newark Airport (Newark Airport to LGA connector?). SIRT under the bay to LGA and the everything listed above? Even do an ultimate partial loop line from EWR/Newark to Staten Island to Brooklyn/Queens, the transfer station and to LGA? Even the East Side Connect? Maybe even have a branch line to connect over the abandoned LIRR line that goes down the the A train to the Rockaways to do a link for all three airports (using the JFK Air Train transfer)? I stop now. My brain hurts. ;)

This project should be part of a three tiered road and rail project across Brooklyn. Tier 1-Existing Line to be used a commuter rail Tier 2-Lower Level- Cross Harbor Tunnel connecting the Newark Bay Extention to Brooklyn and then as a highway underneath Tier 1. Interstate 78 would be redirected here (Holland Tunnel would become I 578) Tier 3-Sub Lower-Cross Harbor Runnel for freight , lowest level since gradient cannot be as steep

There are FRA-approved DMUs. Put the same fareboxes they have in buses with MetroCard and OMNY readers and charge the same rate. Then these can coexist with freight with some clever scheduling. It'd take my car off the street for many trips to Brooklyn!

By the way, will the last stop in Bay Ridge be 4th Avenue or Brooklyn Army Terminal? (BAT has a connection to NYC Ferry)

I think it will become a high speed subway line using the open gangway r211

I personally think the Governor is making a mistake not revisiting the Original RPA Proposal and extended this project into The Bronx. Growing up in The Bronx I attended and graduated from St. John's University in Jamaica, Queens. I was going to St. John's before the Metro Card was ever created, so it was a hassle with the commute. I was using the Old School Subway Tokens and it was a 2-Fare Zone because there was never a free transfer between Subway and Bus. If the RPA was around back then, my trip to school would've been much quicker and more convenient from The Bronx to Queens without ever going through Manhattan. I applaud this project, but I think that's what they should consider.

I miss new york

That should be great and also from Newart, LGA and JFK

I'd like to see the current freight only line that branches off the Hell Gate Bridge on the Brooklyn side upgraded to electrified commuter rail double track & then tied into the LIRR main line going to Jamaica station via a set of flyovers (would require some property takes). This would provide a direct connection between Long Island & the Bronx, eastern Westchester County / SW Connecticut. The current New Haven Line equipment (M8's) can already use all 4 power systems in the area (2 different catenary voltages & 2 types of 3rd rail DC shoes), since this line would have to transition from catenary to 3rd rail, just like the New Haven Line does now above Mt Vernon (altho a different 3rd rail system). I've lived in CT for decades & have known plenty of folks in SW CT who turned down jobs on Long Island (Queens/etc) because the commute is impossible - vehicle traffic is insane, by rail requires travel into the city (the East Side access improves things a bit by allowing direct x-fer in Grand Central rather than having to travel over to Penn Sta but still not ideal). I'm sure there are folks on Long Island who've turned down opportunities on the "Mainland" north of the City for the same reason.

It reminds me of Syracuse Ontrack.

I feel like this line should be run by the metro but it uses whichever rolling stock fits best for expansion and rules...making it a commuter line and hoping that MTA institutes a pricing system that is comparable to the subway line is a wish and is something they don't have a track record of ever doing...the LIRR has been at Jamaica station for a long time now and it still cost like 8-14$ to get into Manhattan with no sign of getting lower...commuter rail works in other places around the world pricing wise bcuz the people that run it can see the benefits of that...even though MTA does run LIRR, Metronorth and the NYC Subway they seem to run like competing entities which don't want to work with each other...

This project is long overdue. It should definitely be regional rail for the simple fact that it can be shared with the (still important) freight line. And it should go through the Bronx via Penn Access taking advantage of the Hell Gate Bridge and terminate at New Rochelle where an existing yard is already available as a facility. It would also be cheaper to implement than a subway, though there needs to be a discussion on what kind of train should be used. EMUs like the M8 would be great (taking advantage of the existing catenary infrastructure in Queens and the Bronx), but that would raise the cost of the project considerably as the implementation of catenary/3rd rail infrastructure would be needed all the way to Bay Ridge. Fares are another subject of debate. I personally just think that any regional stop within the 5 boroughs should have the same fares and turnstiles as the subways, which would make transfers between subways and regional rail extremely efficient throughout the city. Such a system exists perfectly in Paris, but perhaps we are dealing with NYC where each rail system has its own bureaucracy, making this integration improbable. Thoughts?

I think its good but should be a metro since its serves 2 boroughs and is trying to make fast transportation between the two boroughs

I think if L.I.RR would take over it would be way to expensive for NYC residents because it a communter railroad. M7 and M9 are not designed for this short frequent stops.

what cars will be on the new line?

You couldn't run a train from Bay Ridge to The Bronx using this model. The Bay Ridge branch of the Long Island Railroad runs through Fresh Pond in Queens then heads to Jamaica. If you were to switch the train at Fresh Pond to the freight tracks, tracks it would cost a fortune. You'd have to electrify 90% of the route. While it might be a good idea I don't see it happening in my life time.

If they are proposing the Metro North through Co-op City into Pennsylvania Station, there is no chance for this new subway would go into the Bronx. It is too many agencies to go through to make that happen. And the benefits, although there, it expensive and harder to implement. Besides, the Metro North runs more than enough trains to serve that corridor well. And the demand is just not there for this type of service. There is still a chance to extend the second avenue line into the Bronx. It has a much less complicated route and serve more people. However, the MTA is deadset turning it west towards Lexington Avenue. And if I can tell, it is written in stone.

2:44 is based

It's going to be commuter rail due to CSX owning the track And CSX needing to run there as well

Hopefully the Metro North gets this.

BEST as a *SUBWAY-STYLE-TRAIN* to EASILY INTEGRATE w/SUBWAY SYSTEM. (LIRR makes no sense b/c (1) it doesn't service L.I.! (2) it would be used by NYC residents (3) more people can fit! (4) a conductor checking tickets every 2 mins is a hassle for riders)

2:48 *Western Queens and Brooklyn

What do you think about the New Manahatta project?

The MTA has put out a video promoting Interborough, that promotes three alternatives for modes: Commuter Rail, Busway or Light Rail. The video puts the Light Rail version as generating the most riders, but these things are often... It must be that the Freight Carrier Railroad Engineering FRA Revolving Door Cabal wants it that way, because to me it sounds like a big debacle and the wrong choice. (That's probably WHY they want it that way.) They will have to buy scads of new electric vehicles of a kind they have no experience with that require special provisions for maintaining them somewhere, and a special catenary system for traction not compatible with anything else, plus special short-length, low-level platforms. (They probably what them narrow so they'll fit inside the existing footprint of the line, or close.) The vehicles will of course be incompatible with the other two passenger rail systems, in case anyone want's to connect the line to anything to generate some traffic. (I don't see much hope for it otherwise, in terms of passenger draw.) Instead, they will want to expand trolleys into the middle of the streets somewhere as: STREETCARS - a painfully regressive idea, which NYC has thankfully managed to avoid in the face of a couple of well funded attempts to do that. The number of failed streetcar lines in the US never ceases expanding, and they're outrageously expensive. Yet they find it necessary to do stuff like free fares, and they're constantly running people over in gruesome accidents. We don't need that crap here, and I'm afraid they're looking at Interborough as a kind of gateway to the new world order - i.e. worse.

What’s the problem with a mainline legal metro compatible train?

I’d rather this be an actual subway line. Maybe extend into north eastern Queens later on

Why can’t they make a train going to Staten Island. The traffic is very bad there and this can cut down the traffic

There was a reason why passenger service ended on that line in the first place. Now when speaking of develop of the surrounding areas where are you speaking of? Much of that line in the southern part of Brooklyn passes through suburban residential homes so what type of development are you thinking about? Towards the eastern part Brooklyn you already have the L Train running parallel. Going through Queens, you already have a very developed residential area. These areas with the exception of eastern Brooklyn which still has some industrial elements, have high property values that won't leand itself to rezoning or redevelopment without overcoming some serious hurdles. It would be better if they extend the 2 line further into Brooklyn, create a line running along utica Ave, and maybe extend the J or L, F train express service as well N, into areas where people actually travel

The BQE traffic is unforgiving.

Couldn't this be Subway adjacent like the PATH in NJ?

Me before he mentioned NEC: bruh why a commuter rail system? Why not a subway like the dozen other trains? Me after he mentioned NEC: ok it’s understandable don’t use subways they don’t fit in there.