THE IRA-SPY THAT STAKEKNIFE K*LLED ?? | Frank Hegarty, Martin McGuinness & Gaddafi

THE IRA-SPY THAT STAKEKNIFE K*LLED ?? | Frank Hegarty, Martin McGuinness & Gaddafi | Henry Hemming

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For this episode I spoke with author Henry Hemming about his most recent book “Four Shots in the Night”, an excellently written true-story of a British army agent within the IRA named Frank Hegarty.
Henry talks to us about the army unit that recruited and ran Hegarty, the now infamous FRU (force research unit) and their unique approach to running agents, how princess Diana was nearly blown up by the IRA and the role that Gaddafi played in arming the IRA.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 How did so many informants get recruited by The British security forces
9:55 Who were the FRU (Force Research Unit)
19:30 Willie Carlin & Denis Donaldson
24:45 Ian Hurst’s involvement
30:20 IRA NEARLY BLOW-UP PRINCESS DIANA
35:30 Spy-master’s dilemma
41:15 Gaddafi’s involvement
46:35 Plans for tv series or movie ??
BUY THE BOOK: geni.us/FOURSHOTS

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@thegoodlistenerpodcast 3 ай бұрын

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 How did so many informants get recruited by The British security forces 9:55 Who were the FRU (Force Research Unit) 19:30 Willie Carlin & Denis Donaldson 24:45 Ian Hurst’s involvement 30:20 IRA NEARLY BLOW-UP PRINCESS DIANA 35:30 Spy-master’s dilemma 41:15 Gaddafi’s involvement 46:35 Plans for tv series or movie ??

@thejohnoreillymusic Ай бұрын

What a great channel! I've listened to 5 or 6 episodes and finally got round to hitting subscribe. Thanks for getting these down, a fascinating time in Irish history

@Mushyseason1 3 ай бұрын

Brilliant stream. I could listen to Henry all night .Hope he reads his own Audible.

@kevinherronhead 14 күн бұрын

just wrapping up "four shots in the night" and i loved it. a true story of the murder of a suspected british army agent who is caught by the ira. author henry hemming tells a phenomenal story capturing the main character, his family and cohorts in and out of the ira. could not put it done.

@MickKly-ih4it 3 ай бұрын

Stakeknife was going to be prosecuted for multiple murders , why wasn’t his handler in the security forces not held responsible too as he was feeding Stakeknife information on who else they wanted taken out , many of them falsely accused of being informers ?

@thetruth7386 3 ай бұрын

As for Sean O'Callaghan he was head of Southern Command but a Gardai agent. It has since been shown he was more interested in self promotion than anything else and became a real Walter Mitty. Lastly who in the right mind would not think an IRA man getting into a moving transit van would not be suspicious? Because of the lack of public transport? It would have been picked up on immediately.

@ATLmodK 3 ай бұрын

Five minutes in and I preordered the book!

@peterallison-ex4yy 3 ай бұрын

No matter the reason why anyone would be turned or become an informer the fact remains that they betrayed not only their comrades but their Country to the very people (system) that for over 800yrs had been responsible for hundreds of thousands of Irish men,women and children's deaths ,imprisonment and migration.

@BluenoseWatp-eh2mx 3 ай бұрын

Everyone has their price, always remember the left wing and the right wing is always operated by the same bird in the middle, that bird is the British establishment

@punkrocker6431 3 ай бұрын

@@BluenoseWatp-eh2mxnot everyone has their price, all the hunger strikers were committed to the end

@Lifeofriley41 2 ай бұрын

Scap was into underage girls , Morrison and Donaldson little kids , Joe cahill underage girls undercover soldiers were following him round Belfast watching him with kids in taxis , Adams had a brother and dad who were both nonces , later convicted and jailed , mcguiness was filmed by a US TV crew armed and setting up a bomb 💣 would of got him 50 years in a diplock court , that's how they were turned and then paid handsomely but they were blackmailed into being touts

@Rob308Win Ай бұрын

What common thread would motivate so many - the fear of being unmasked as something much worse than being unmasked as a tout...

@thomasmcdaid6024 3 ай бұрын

Just bought the book looking forward to it

@sovereignnews1886 2 ай бұрын

Great podcast this man's done his research and knowledgeable in what he is saying great questions by the host well done gentlemen

@seaniek9175 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating insights. Talk about a dirty war. Gives a whole different perspective on the peace process

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Good comment, we used that , we had people in the same group reporting on each other without them knowing

@derekrushton1705 Ай бұрын

Great video. Just finished reading Four Shots in The Night by Henry. Fascinating reading. Best book on this subject since 'Stakeknife' Ingram & Harkin (2004) & 'Fishers of Men' by Rob Lewis (1999).

@_Tabasco 3 ай бұрын

Hi, I follow your Podcasts on the Castbox app. This episode didn't appear on the app. The latest episode on the app, is the Kincora & The missing Boys one, on the app it is dated March 25th. Can I ask, are some of the Podcasts not always uploaded to the app? Are all your Podcasts just uploaded to KZfaq? Thanks In Advance.

@SweetDreams-wt7vo 3 ай бұрын

Very engaging. Thank you. I wonder if the paramils had spies within the British Army? Such a waste of human endeavour. People just get addicted to the chess game. I saw a WWII British soldier being interviewed in old age openly admitting that he became addicted to the adrenaline rush of killing! So tragic. It'll take a generation to die off to put the Troubles behind us.

@Karmaisreal629 3 ай бұрын

Loyalists had British soldiers.

@PropagandaAnonymous 3 ай бұрын

Interesting interview. Your guest has a nice way of compiling secondhand source stories to provide a cohesive story around a secretive system that existed within a secret army. One note of criticism though, Mr. Hemming mentions a story about how the IRA almost blew up Princess Diana. However, the source of that story, as he says, was Sean O'Callaghan. O'Callaghan's reputation was pretty shite among republicans, not because he flipped, but because his stories were seen as specious, at best. So, I tend to disbelieve many stories told by O'Callaghan and I wonder if your guest considered O'Callaghan's reputation when repeating that story. Overall, though, I like the way he traces these stories together and charts them along a timeline. There are still so many unknowns around 'the Troubles.'

@thescotsman1420 3 ай бұрын

In the Gerry Adams hit, the ammo was changed to a lower velocity, one thing about Adams is that he is I.R.B. One brigade the Brits could not get anywhere with was the South Armagh Brigade, mind you the South Armagh Brigade was made of farmers and farmhands and weren't into any of that communist/socialist nonsense. . .

@pjmaxwell6299 2 ай бұрын

This is a man I could listen to forever..he is so very fair..

@frankie6756 2 ай бұрын

That's not true,did you see the Brendan Hughes interview?

@lt8400 Ай бұрын

I.R.B ?

@thescotsman1420 Ай бұрын

@@lt8400 The brotherhood

@jackietreehorn5561 Ай бұрын

The irb was in the 1920s@@thescotsman1420

@parkgate-ub1ey 3 ай бұрын

Lets not forget, stakeknife was 2 i/c his boss was also an agent

@jockstrap 3 ай бұрын

John Joe McGee, an ex-SBS man. Any wonder his loyalties were still to the crown? Stupid bastard IRA leadership for taking a man with that back ground into its inner sanctum. I many times considered joining in the mid-1980s, and I knew a few great lads. But something always told me in my stomach that it was rotten. Never mind the other British agents, Eamon Collins, and then, of course, the pun (Fred the "Fred").The brits didn't even need the SAS to hide being hedges and shoot our people dead, the Brits could just drive you down to County Monaghan themselves and shoot you after twisting you for all the information you had, with two weeks electric shock ballbags, cold baths and hanging upside down? The British government should be in front of an international war crimes court.

@thetruth7386 3 ай бұрын

It is rumoured he was an RUC Special Branch informer. The evidence is inconclusive but the Dark was fairly sure he was and he was at the heart of it. It is hard to say though- Special Branch destroyed much of their documentation when Lord Stevens was first sniffing around.

@ciaranbrown1983 2 ай бұрын

So is Adams

@deanmcmurtry Ай бұрын

John Joe Magee was a agent too

@Hiberno_sperg Ай бұрын

@@deanmcmurtryJohn joe Magee wasn't an agent he was a Royal Marine/SBS member that the RA groomed. The M60 gang had multiple ex special forces guys in their ranks

@paulthomas2178 15 күн бұрын

A very insightful and well researched book is Thomas Leahy book 'The intelligence war against the IRA' it is a much more balanced position on the successes and failures of British intelligence. How the IRA was not as is commonly propagated by the British that the IRA were riddled with informers.

@jamesbutler5908 2 ай бұрын

The psychological impact on working class areas right across the board must be horrendous workers killing workers bus men ,bin men ,taxi drivers, and the areas crippled with social problems. Who ever is responsible has a lot to answer for for the damage 😮

@peterjohnbailey111 3 ай бұрын

How could Jean mconville be sent for her tea but because of the embarrassment to the movement they never had the balls to touch him

@ciaranbrown1983 3 ай бұрын

? Touch who

@garyyoung9085 Ай бұрын

Because he's had immunity to prosecution since 1972??

@ciaranbrown1983 Ай бұрын

@garyyoung9085 he wasn't turned until 78 and it was ivor bell who executed her

@garyyoung9085 Ай бұрын

@@ciaranbrown1983 Fascinating stuff thanks for the info. I'm still sure that both him and Martin McGuinness received immunity as soon as they mediated with Whitelaw in 1972... immunity not necessarily meaning turning straight away (just to clarify) but he ordered her dead right just as Dolores Price and Brendan Huges imply??

@ciaranbrown1983 Ай бұрын

@garyyoung9085 that was punishment for hiding transmitters abs spying on her neighbours she was warned . And no they weren't immune sure didn't the try to charge Adams after the tapes came out

@ATLmodK 3 ай бұрын

I read this book and found that it was a wonderful novel, very gripping. However, like the other great novel about the troubles, Say Nothing, I seriously doubt many of his assumptions. He gives us a quick assurance of the type of documents and interviews he based the book on, but he does not cite any of these sources, except the Stakeknife tapes, during the story of the agents and their lives and deaths. After reading Kitson’s Irish War, I am spoiled on well researched and clearly documented writing. With Hemmings I would say it’s a great novel, but I would not use it as a source for a serious study of the troubles and the spies.

@Brian-hc3qx 2 ай бұрын

Could you do an interview with Martin McGartland and or Willie Carlin,that would be fascinating.

@thegoodlistenerpodcast 2 ай бұрын

Certainly won’t be speaking to Carlin anyway..

@dominicseanmccann6300 Ай бұрын

@@thegoodlistenerpodcast Any reason why that you'd care to share? Great podcast. Would like to hear from Henry McNally or some more of Brendans East Tyrone unit.

@yabelli-eq2vv 28 күн бұрын

@@dominicseanmccann6300why not?? Yes we wanna know

@jhondoe5320 3 ай бұрын

In Armagh Scappaticci was never trusted >fact

@ciaranbrown1983 3 ай бұрын

He wasn't in Belfast either by darkie hughes

@thetruth7386 3 ай бұрын

Actually not true. They worked closely with him for a few years until a safe house was compromised in Dundalk and the South Armagh Brigade linked that to Scapattichi. They let the Belfast Brigade know their concerns and refused to work with him again. Nothing was done by the Belfast Brigade. Why, is the big question.

@jhondoe5320 3 ай бұрын

@@thetruth7386 yes they worked (under orders) until the safe house was compromised in Louth but many had reservations already but the more time went on just confirmed what people were thinking

@Spook2431NYC 3 ай бұрын

@@thetruth7386Interesting & thank you for the information 👍

@Felix-rising 2 ай бұрын

@@thetruth7386because Adam’s and Marty were on the books

@williammcknight5529 3 ай бұрын

Scap was a greedy tout

@timoconnor7423 2 ай бұрын

He was an arrogant bully even to wemen of the area

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Your greyhound story, is almost there

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

I won’t betray, but what’s in public domain and my experiences I’m happy to discuss, ex FRU, 2 tours, and an instructor at SIW,,,

@thegoodlistenerpodcast 16 күн бұрын

@@mickjmr give me a shout mate thegoodlistenerpodcast@gmail.com

@thetruth7386 3 ай бұрын

Willie Carlin was not Gerry Adams driver. That was Roy McShane outed as an informer in 2008. Carlin was working within Sinn Fein in Derry in the 1980's. As for Frank Hegarty he was more interested in getting money to gamble than anything else. That was his motivation. The dogs in the street know that. Not very impressed by this to be honest. I was thinking on buying the book but not so sure now.

@user-vo6oz2de9t 2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@yabelli-eq2vv 28 күн бұрын

I think that's a bit narrow minded. The book goes deeper than that

@garyyoung9085 2 ай бұрын

I read Donaldson had accidentally shot a Catholic guy during the battle of St Matthews on the short strand in 1970. The RUC picked him up for it a few years later and turned him giving him the choice between prosecution and touting. Anyone else heard this story??

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

I heard the phone call

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Who convinced frank o to come back.

@bartbotsimpson 10 күн бұрын

McGuiness

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

But true from frank

@roberthamilton2334 17 күн бұрын

Its who shot Roger rabbit ,only this is serious stuff !!

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

The Marita Anne

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

The late queen was a soviet spy

@Mushyseason1 3 ай бұрын

Me Dazza

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Who betrayed that.

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Gerry Adams and Martin mc Guinness were lovers,

@0121neil1 2 ай бұрын

Donaldson was caught in a gay honeytrap

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

No he wasnt

@neillpowell14 3 ай бұрын

1980😂

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Hurst,,,

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Crap, exactly

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

Bullshit from hurst

@yabelli-eq2vv 28 күн бұрын

I don't understand why people are sectarian? You have new criminal immigrants to worry about😢

@jintsfan 3 ай бұрын

Who cares ? Countless lives were saved.

@gerardhenry5501 3 ай бұрын

I don’t believe one life was saved . Information is more important than life .

@ciaranbrown1983 3 ай бұрын

Scap save double digits not 100s

@gerardhenry5501 3 ай бұрын

@@ciaranbrown1983 he killed more than he saved . The ones that were saved were agents themselves

@jintsfan 2 ай бұрын

@@gerardhenry5501a innocent lives were. The Loughall ambush prevented countless deaths.

@mickjmr 20 күн бұрын

You know some , but not all,, your view on motivation is very narrow minded,,,

@josephmcdonnell8987 25 күн бұрын

Another lare of bullsit - if you are telling the story - don't dress it up as a fairytale,and tell truth

@Sarky456 14 сағат бұрын

MICE Money Ideology Coercion Extortion