The Kramer Family Murders

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11 ай бұрын

The Kramer family, living near Chicago, had been in a bitter dispute with Johnny Borizov. However, after a terrible home invasion, Johnny Borizov had a strong alibi. If not him, who? Maybe, a very naive youth he could manipulate...
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@clyde968 11 ай бұрын

It’s messed up that she’s trying to whisper and be super quiet in the closet while the loudest Fran Drescher is her 911 operator. Lol

@jonesanna3350 24 күн бұрын

I shouldn’t have laughed!

@estherhands 11 ай бұрын

''You be the judge.... Until I tell you what happened'' This made me laugh too much. Mike is seriously witty.

@ginagina9592 11 ай бұрын

I loved that too 😄 put a big ol’ smile on my face

@boogsie87 11 ай бұрын

I LOLed at that too!!

@Marky831 11 ай бұрын

😂😂 brilliant true story teller

@bigyo3385 11 ай бұрын

Nah, you're just a pro glazer

@mariebroyles6874 11 ай бұрын

😂

@Ordzo88 11 ай бұрын

I graduated HS with Mike Kramer. I'll always remeber hjm as a great kid that was always friendly to others. RIP ❤️

@personincognito3989 Ай бұрын

You graduated high school? Are these typos or can you really not spell?

@bunnymad5049 11 ай бұрын

Can't believe how cold both they are. And Johnny's mother is disgusting. I hope she has no access to the baby. She would be why he ended up as he is. She's never believed her baby could do wrong. Thanks, Mike. I hope those left in the Kramer family are doing well.

@ruthlody7300 11 ай бұрын

I suppose she was taking care of the baby while he was at the casino all night forming his alibi too. That’s how much he REALLY cared about having custody. All for spite. She did a great job on him (not!!!). She doesn’t deserve a second chance in raising another vile being. I hope she never talks to or gets any visitation rights with the child.

@bunnymad5049 11 ай бұрын

@@ruthlody7300 Agree.

@markmike7933 11 ай бұрын

In her head, some buffoon acted along and just incidentally knew her son. That doesn't mean everything you said isn't true. It is.

@user-xr2lv4ll6j 7 ай бұрын

bunnies.

@bunnymad5049 7 ай бұрын

@@user-xr2lv4ll6j hmm? 🙂

@Scraggledust 11 ай бұрын

A dispatcher said that the worst calls are the ones, where the person is whispering. So sad. May they rest peacefully💐

@tonycowin 11 ай бұрын

That just gave me chills.

@anthony5227 11 ай бұрын

No sht. If the people are just screaming and crying on the other end, I’m sure the dispatch gets annoyed since they aren’t able to go their job

@kathleenrobertpogue6818 11 ай бұрын

Really, so wispers are harder to listen to than a violent murder. Huh, odd.

@meganfoxxymama 11 ай бұрын

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818was thinking the same 🤦🏻‍♀️

@u-neekusername4430 11 ай бұрын

@@kathleenrobertpogue6818 I think it would be harder to listen to someone who was hiding from the murder because of the stress tension created from knowing that any min they could be found. It would be difficult, in the moment, to hear or know exactly what's going on when someone is screaming into the phone, it would be worse later only after processing in hindsight.

@raymondkymsuttle 11 ай бұрын

I can’t imagine being told to kill a someone, let alone an entire family, and not going straight to the police to report them.

@gaaraxnaru 11 ай бұрын

He was mentally ill, a drug addict, gullible, scared and not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. No way was he ever going to the police willingly. Johnny was an idiot, but he knew exactly who to pick for his sick scheme.

@C_Tizzle 11 ай бұрын

He's in prison. But, if he didn't do what he did, he'd be dead. "There's no honor among thieves". Gangbangers, Cartel, etc....have no 'friends'. They have people in their lives for a purpose. Once someone serves no purpose, they have no worth. If someone creates a potential problem, the problem will be eliminated....from all angles: related women and children are not exempt. It's awful and absolutely despicable. But, life is a wild animal and every corner of the world is wildly different.

@colleens1878 11 ай бұрын

Be grateful Mentally ill people don't have that capacity to understand He was manipulated and played had he been sane hopefully he would have gone right to the police 🚔 sadly he wasn't

@qaz122 11 ай бұрын

@@colleens1878hes not that mentally ill. His testimony at the end

@gaaraxnaru 11 ай бұрын

@C_Tizzle No, he wouldn't be. Johnny wasn't in a gang and was never going to get his own hands dirty. Jacob and his wete never in any danger, he was just too stupid, mentally ill and gullible to realize it though.

@nikkikidd8428 11 ай бұрын

I am mortified e someone could orchestrate such a disgusting act in order to gain custody of a child. Imagine what kind of father he would have been with a mother coddling him and not having to deal with the mother of his child? I am so grateful that Angela survived so she could be with her child. But I cannot imagine her greif after losing her parents and brother this way.

@TawnyC_ 11 ай бұрын

You're embarrassed? How strange.

@theoracletempleoflovelight2222 11 ай бұрын

What ? She doesn’t say embarrassed nor imply or infer anything to do with embarrassment.. My ex lied to police and they removed me from the house two weeks after I told him to leave and then he abandoned his three stepchildren ( my three children) yet takes our 11 mth old breastfeeding baby boy. He manipulated the police and then the hospital and fled interstate. He’s Egyptian and he’s the first and only son and he’s sister has 6 daughters so I was literally used as a child bearer and then he wanted to move in with his parents and raise our son . Which is very custom in Egypt. Recently he’s made more false accusations against me and I’ve not seen my son for 6 months only allowed FaceTime weekly with my now 8 year old . His lawyer offered me supervised visits in a visit centre and I would have to drive 2.5 hrs and pay $70 .. but I’m not a criminal so I’m waiting for the judge to give me custody . The father has alienated myself and my entire family and my father passed away without ever meeting him… why use a child against someone else???? They aren’t human … They don’t know how to feel real emotions….

@TawnyC_ 11 ай бұрын

@@theoracletempleoflovelight2222 the meaning of mortified is embarrassed.

@TawnyC_ 11 ай бұрын

@@theoracletempleoflovelight2222 Your son is now 8 years old and you haven't had custody since he was 11 months old?

@JadedBelle 11 ай бұрын

@@TawnyC_It clearly says "8 year old". While you're flipping through the dictionary to try and instigate petty youtube comment fights you should try Hooked on Phonics to brush up on your reading skills.

@veronicaniezgoda8363 11 ай бұрын

Sickened by Johnny’s mother and family protesting for him 🤬

@kerryhughes3407 11 ай бұрын

Either the family suffers from small brain syndrome or they are also over filling their crack pipe.

@DieNextInLINE 6 ай бұрын

Look at it from his family's pov. They could have been exposed to basically nothing except court testimony and maybe the recorded threats in jail. In his family's eyes, he's just their grand/son/nephew who got accused of a murder with an alibi and threatened the man whose words had put him there. They knew he wasn't in a gang, so to them these weren't attempts to get Jacob to shut up and stop talking or his family would die, but rather weightless threats thrown from a man staring down a needle injection. I try to be sympathetic to family members that weren't directly involved in committing or covering up the crime. It's hard to accept that someone you love is a monster

@denisehagwood4542 6 ай бұрын

@@DieNextInLINE I don't buy that for one second. If they were at the trial, they know *everything*. They're just dogshit people

@rogwarrior1018 3 ай бұрын

Thankfully he only has ten people convinced of his innocence.

@river9994 11 ай бұрын

Such a waste of life. Three dead because one waste of space decided they needed to go. I guess the only possible positive is that Angela can raise her baby without that piece of shite harassing her, but her guilt must be overwhelming knowing her ex did this. I sincerely hope Anthony, Angela and the Nodarse Family have some kind of peace going forward

@Emma88178 11 ай бұрын

And the poor girlfriend who escaped as well.

@laleona776 11 ай бұрын

It's the Kramer family not Nodarse. Nodarse was the murderer's last name- Jacob Nodarse.

@river9994 11 ай бұрын

@@laleona776 No I actually meant the Nodarse family, yes he was the murderer but his parents have to live with their son being manipulated into this, even the guys roommate was concerned for him. Though it doesn't change the fact that he killed them, I do however still feel for his parents

@outlawJosieFox 11 ай бұрын

Also the idiot left the only one alive capable of winning sole custody.

@bwj4893 11 ай бұрын

@@river9994 Agree. It's terrifying when you have a family member who does something horrific like this and you would never even have considered committing murder. They have probably blamed themselves a thousand times for this happening.

@nicholasschoonbeck6866 11 ай бұрын

This is a good example of why learning about critical thinking is so important. If you are in a legitimate gang, who are capable of murdering a family of someone, why would they need YOU to commit any crimes? Why wouldn't they just do it themselves?

@SleepySloth2705 11 ай бұрын

They make sure to recruit the simple-minded as fall-guys

@timb1319 11 ай бұрын

This is how the mob works. Or Donald Trump

@woodworkingandepoxy643 11 ай бұрын

My two oldest nephews were in a gang. Neither of them lived to see 26. One got so into drugs and drinking he crashed his motorcycle going 105mph. A year and a half later his older brother who was on heroin and meth for years got caught stealing from his life long friend and was found the next day on the side of the road. They said he had been hit by a car but I'm pretty sure the guy killed him. Either way gangs are a joke

@laleona776 11 ай бұрын

Nicholas- Great comment! Unfortunately, I'm sure at least 1//2 of the ppl living in America no longer have a clue what critical thinking skills are, let alone use them! It's simply not taught in most schools/uni's anymore. It's all about doing/following what you're told. Sad, REALLY 😢

@brettk9316 11 ай бұрын

These criminals are just freaking stupid lol.

@SusieDaw-ix6pv 11 ай бұрын

I worked with a guy, his mom and sister were both killed by an angry ex of the sister. He came in from work, and found them both dead. He was never the same, as never would anyone be the same, who suffered such trauma. We coddle murderers. When death is the only remedy for such evil.

@DinoCism 11 ай бұрын

Anyone who thinks they "have no choice" but to commit multiple murders clearly made some idiotic choices to get themselves to that point. As far as punishment goes death is too quick and prison is too soft.

@Kt-cn2rq 10 ай бұрын

@@DinoCismcan't remember which place it was but they have a choice of firing squad or lethal injection. Firing squad should just been the only choice.

@tiger.wolf.2033 4 ай бұрын

@@Kt-cn2rqIn Idaho

@funUrth4all 13 күн бұрын

Tragic😭

@amityislandchum 11 ай бұрын

The men who do this don't actually give a shit about custody. It's all about making the mother of their child suffer.

@libbymcluckie1702 11 ай бұрын

I’d forgotten how much Mike saying he loves us made me all warm and fuzzy. Another great video, thanks Mike from NZ ❤

@SawbuckMike 11 ай бұрын

My mother and Lori were friends since childhood. I remember when this happened vividly. The funeral was the most heartbreaking experience.

@SawbuckMike 11 ай бұрын

Ok. Cool.🤙

@Grannieof9 11 ай бұрын

I’m so sorry for you and your family’s loss. Loosing someone in such a brutal way. Is hard to move on from. I hope your mom is able to hold tight. To the memories she made with Lori.

@truecrime59 11 ай бұрын

Such a sad, horrible and scary tragedy. Poor family.

@Xgen_Tiago 11 ай бұрын

Im sure Mike won’t see this, but I just wanted to take the time to thank you for your skills, week after week, episode after episode, you never fail to deliver! You brighten my days man, thanks!

@JourneyDestination 11 ай бұрын

He won’t. Instead, do something for yourself that isn’t easy - accomplish a goal you always wanted to, and thank the man in the mirror.

@peternolan4107 11 ай бұрын

@@JourneyDestination I don't think he was asking your advice on how to live, oh wise one.

@jackslepowron5905 11 ай бұрын

@@JourneyDestination🤡🎪🤡😹

@markmike7933 11 ай бұрын

Mike shoplifts and picks on little puppies. Well, maybe not but COME ON no one can be this nice and funny and friendly without skeletons! :) And he's too nice to sue me for slander :) Mike has gotten many through very hard times. Anyone can describe a crime. VERY VEW can make you laugh at times while telling you. thanks Mike. But get help for the shoplifting :)

@Virus-xm7qc 7 ай бұрын

@@markmike7933No, he may have skeletons as we ALL do, but none the Law would do a double look at. Mike loves what he does and appreciates us for loving what he does, that's why he is always above the fray. Keep at it Mike!❤

@anjachan 11 ай бұрын

Im glad the kid still has its mum.

@lorirausch3326 11 ай бұрын

I noticed the shooter had a different attitude when he was testifying than when he was being interviewed by police! Way more jaded and casual about the murders. He didn't seem remorseful at all by that point. Really sad...

@drebk 11 ай бұрын

Catching a 70 year term will take out some of your zest

@joanodom2104 11 ай бұрын

No, he got life without. The one that manipulated the shooter got 70 years.

@carcevicubo3703 11 ай бұрын

I think that having spent 3 years in prison before the trial, having declared EVERYTHING since day 1, plus his mental ISSUES had a lot to do with that "attitude"... Too bad for him, since that probably was the reason why he got that sentence. I still feel sorry for him, since he needed mental health treatment, not only being sent to prison: if it hadn't been for him, who knows how much longer it would have taken the police to solve the case... I know not many would agree with me, but it's just my personal opinion, and it won't change the outcone...

@lorirausch3326 11 ай бұрын

I agree with you, actually still feel bad for him, just pointing that out. Take care!

@carcevicubo3703 11 ай бұрын

@@lorirausch3326 Thanks!, and You do the same! 👍👍👍

@kholt2671 11 ай бұрын

Angela has to feel horrible ...a dude that she brought into her house killed her whole family..

@Zepster77 23 күн бұрын

Didn’t one of her brothers survive? Not the whole family thus…

@KatClem46 11 ай бұрын

If he is indeed suffering from all those ailments, he can pass away in the comfort of his jail cell.

@laciesolaris4903 11 ай бұрын

I hope Mike and wife are having the best week so far! 🖤

@ThatChapter 11 ай бұрын

We are! Working hard on the next ones

@iizateba299 11 ай бұрын

He married?

@denisehagwood4542 11 ай бұрын

@@iizateba299yeah, he has a picture of him and his wife on their wedding day on his Instagram. It's very sweet

@williams4994 11 ай бұрын

@ThatChapter Hey you! I've never suggested anything to you before lad, but if you can, please please please do a story on AJ Armstrong. Trail just ended and I purposely have not looked to much into the story in hopes that you'll do a video on it. Thank you Mike.

@henrysmith180 11 ай бұрын

@@iizateba299 He wears a wedding ring

@jeanjennings5712 11 ай бұрын

Mike, I've been with you since the very beginning of the pandemic. I am so happy for how you've expanded your landscape of telling these stories with respect, grace, humor for the bad guys as well as disgust, and delicacy for the victims. I tune in to every one of your videos, as does everyone else who have faithfully and affectionately follow you. Many good wishes for continued success and hopefully profit for your hard work.

@Tabi1983 10 ай бұрын

“Straight outta the gulag this guy.” I spit my coffee out. Thanks, Mike!!! 😂 Needed that laugh. It never fails to impress me how you can add respectful humour to these horrific incidents.

@padraigmiller7582 7 ай бұрын

I grew up in Darien and I went to high school with the Kramer kids. This really was crazy and still is insane to think I lived right up the road from where this happened.

@ZombieSazza 11 ай бұрын

“It’s becoming redundant, but no” He might be sassy, but at least he was honest in court, unlike that weasel Johnny. Not that this makes the case any less haunting, Angela lost her family because her ex is spiteful and hateful. Edit: typo

@audreymuzingo933 11 ай бұрын

Sassy meets sassy. The lawyer was being a pri!ck but I know that's his job, lol.

@romanhlohowskyj 11 ай бұрын

@@audreymuzingo933 So true. But such a great rebuttal.

@VistonZilla337 11 ай бұрын

Thank youuu… I am half way in and been sooo confused so I’ve been reading comments and you are the first comment to make this story make some sense in my mind, so much going on, I can’t focus !

@pakde8002 11 ай бұрын

I probably would have felt the same way since he had already confessed to doing the deed and had received a life sentence. That clip was the other guys trial and his lawyer trying to get his client off. Notice Johhny was still in civilian clothes and sitting at the defense table.

@Dominique_99 11 ай бұрын

@@pakde8002I think someone else wrote he got 75 so hypothetically he could be out when he’s like 60 with good behaviour but the ex got life. I imagine some sort of deal was worked out for him snitching on him. Which I mean, why wouldn’t you? He threatened your family and it turned out he was nothing but a loser who wanted to kill his ex girlfriend’s family and wanted to pin it on someone else.

@NadineMiller1974 11 ай бұрын

Helloooo Mike...I'm usually watching your Friday post while having treatment in Oncology. My appointment changed to Today so I still get my dosage of your awesomeness while sitting for 3+ hours at Oncology. Take care everyone because Mike luvs us😉

@Tracymmo 6 ай бұрын

Best to you with your treatments!

@hanywhiskey 4 ай бұрын

how are you

@TheFinalBathAmber 2 ай бұрын

He does love us ❤

@roguemystique7 11 ай бұрын

19:24 The fact he said, especially her and she was able to live, makes me happy at least one positive came out of this nightmare. So at least the child will have a parent to raise, love, and care for them. But having to explain that is unimaginable. I couldn't comprehend how that would feel to go through that. ❤

@LeLiuOfficial 11 ай бұрын

This case is one of those examples to remind us all never to underestimate a stupid person. They can be extremely dangerous precisely because of how foolish and gullible they are.

@kerryhughes3407 11 ай бұрын

Especially when the stupid start over filling their crack pipe to the point that they believe they're not stupid.

@jerryneely1993 11 ай бұрын

Never underestimate a woman picking a sorry ass man

@anthonymorena6259 11 ай бұрын

Underestimate a stupid person lol.....stupid people are so predictable....

@jullietmburu9672 11 ай бұрын

@@jerryneely1993 did this episode bring back some memories??

@oldhickory4686 11 ай бұрын

Sounds like a grandpa I know in D.C....

@Mark-pz9xw 11 ай бұрын

Got to love a mum who can't accept her (clearly guilty) son wasn't involved! RIP Kramers!

@WatchTomDotCom 11 ай бұрын

At the time 22:24, Mike says "I'm not convinced he has a heart." That was an amazing line!

@funUrth4all 13 күн бұрын

Absolutely!

@claudinejames7731 11 ай бұрын

5 peoples lives either taken or completely ruined because some guy was rejected and didn't get his way. Thank God not everyone thinks killing people is the answer to their relationship problems!

@LuRoyJenkins 11 ай бұрын

Stellar as always, Mike. Thank you for all the work you've put in over the years, and your unwavering respect for the victims in cases like this.

@lakeshoreshepherds741 11 ай бұрын

I’m so very sorry to Angela & her brother. 💙🩷 So damn sad for them.

@shamako4ever718 11 ай бұрын

Tuesday can't come soon enough to watch another great episode from Mike, Let's give it a gooo everyone!!1

@ThatChapter 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for being here, and see ya Friday!

@reginamushi6582 11 ай бұрын

@@ThatChapterI was about to say this too Mike...you bless us twice a week, and a podcast... my weeks are just great, I know what and whom I am watching everyday of the week ❤

@kodiiayyeee256 11 ай бұрын

@@reginamushi6582 thats enough butt kissing.

@davebradley4498 11 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I remembered this morning, I get to watch a new That Chapter after work.

@kerryhughes3407 11 ай бұрын

Your lucky, We have to wait till Wednesday in New Zealand 😅😮😅

@jacobfidler5161 11 ай бұрын

"..didn't like him because, in all fairness, he was a dickhead." This kind of statement is exactly why we all love Mike so much!

@funUrth4all 13 күн бұрын

❤

@pedromiguel3227 11 ай бұрын

If Johnny was the leader of a murderous gang, why did he need to force the amateur to do it?

@judyedwards7144 11 ай бұрын

Because Johnny is a coward 🤬

@kerryhughes3407 11 ай бұрын

He was up with the cartel leaders, They don't get their hands dirty. In truth they were both immature idiots who let the crack pipe take over their tiny little brains.

@truthseeker2321 6 ай бұрын

@@judyedwards7144And because he knew Jacob was a numbnuts and dumb enough to be persuaded into it.

@mriconoclast13 11 ай бұрын

When the ex died in the motorcycle crash, 7:36 three members of this family died with him. They just didn't know it yet.

@nicoledenning8090 11 ай бұрын

wow, true, gives me chills

@hayesjulie 11 ай бұрын

Good tag line.

@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724 11 ай бұрын

Woah

@angelabarnes7588 11 ай бұрын

Of COURSE his mother is convinced the monster is innocent. To believe otherwise means she has to except that she birthed & raised a monster.

@majakolonja4266 11 ай бұрын

No kidding

@angelabarnes7588 11 ай бұрын

Two trolls. Lucky me

@lindachandler5980 6 ай бұрын

"Johnny...pulled a switchblade...he's from the 50s, apparently." Mike, you crack me up!!!

@racheld23biscuitsmom42 11 ай бұрын

Why didn’t Jacob question why he was needed if Jacob had all these killers in his back pocket? He genuinely seemed scared.. and dim.

@iizateba299 11 ай бұрын

He was high on the constant supply of coke all journey was stuffing in him.

@truthseeker2321 6 ай бұрын

Because people who use drugs aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

@slaymakerprime 11 ай бұрын

The fact that you have 1k likes in under 15 minutes shows just how excellent your channel is. You're the best, Mike!

@michellegallia9361 11 ай бұрын

And 51k views within just ONE hour of upload!

@kathleenrobertpogue6818 11 ай бұрын

You think thats impressive, go look at a twitch girl sitting in a kiddie pool in the living room. If likes and views are a representation of a persons awesomeness. Then any half naked girl on the internet is far better.

@densidste9137 11 ай бұрын

he know the activity is out of this world and I cant believe he is the only one not jamming ads in episodes.

@Marky831 11 ай бұрын

I always give Mike a like before I even listen to the first sentence 😂 because it’s That Chapter and u no its gonna be a good one 👍

@smith549371 11 ай бұрын

@@Marky831that’s such a stupid mentality

@msc8663 11 ай бұрын

So sad. Bullies always find someone to do the stupid shite. I fell sorry for him. But the family did get justice. Be safe I love ya💕

@AveriesMiranda 11 ай бұрын

My ex convinced 3 people to help him with something similar in 2009. So many idiots out there. That poor family 😢

@corky3550 11 ай бұрын

Do they really think they're going to get away with murder? 😮

@emperorofpluto 11 ай бұрын

As an ex-Jehovah’s Witness Jacob was perfect for Borisov’s plot. He’d been brainwashed and manipulated from birth.

@AveriesMiranda 11 ай бұрын

@@corky3550 I think so and I don’t understand it

@corky3550 11 ай бұрын

@@AveriesMiranda half a brain 🙄

@zellipa 11 ай бұрын

@@emperorofpluto "bruised but not broken" as Manson learned . . .

@bullitt7544 11 ай бұрын

The main plot of this Crime by lies and intimidation was recorded in the 1930's on 'Calling All Cars' from an actual case, (L.A.) and then was retold on Dragnet in the 50's. Almost 100 yrs ago the conspirator and shooter were both Convicted. Crime doesn't change just the times.

@johncuervo3019 11 ай бұрын

Imagine being that child and your mom tells you that your dad had her family killed and is in prison

@kaynefryday6637 11 ай бұрын

His mother has the worst case of denial in the history of the universe

@joanodom2104 11 ай бұрын

She just wants that baby!

@Emma88178 11 ай бұрын

@@joanodom2104 That's why I LOVE that Johnny's plan to kill Angela failed. Angela has full custody of their son and you know that makes Johnny and his mom MAD.

@octogonSmuggler 11 ай бұрын

Mike, have you heard of Farkhunda Malikzada? Her story is particularly brutal, but it's never had proper coverage. She deserves justice and was never given any.

@jooliagoolia9959 11 ай бұрын

The way he held the gun on the stand 😂 😂 😂 How to show your guilty for sure, handle the weapon like a toy in front of the jury...

@MattCarvin 11 ай бұрын

Man, had a little sympathy for Jake being manipulated until the end when he was on the stand. The guy has nothing to be that smug about.

@carcevicubo3703 11 ай бұрын

Totally agree!: he had a big load with his mental issues, got manipulated AND THREATENED, but mainly it was because of him and his openness with the police that the case got resolved quickly. That should also had been taken into consideration at the time of his sentencing!

@MattCarvin 11 ай бұрын

@@carcevicubo3703 ya he was an enormously cowardly human being and that made him as malleable to police as his idiot friend. Go slaughter an innocent family Jake, or the boogie man will get you.

@audreymuzingo933 11 ай бұрын

It was defensiveness that looked like smugness. The defense attorney was childishly making him admit to everything he had already admitted to, action-by-action. It WAS redundant and he had a pretty smug tone himself.

@joanodom2104 11 ай бұрын

Yep. I was rooting for possible parole down the line, but he wanted to be all gangsta on the stand. Then I thought, "f*ck him! Give him life without." And they did.

@karensills42 11 ай бұрын

I think he was annoyed as he had already admitted it all, but defence attorney was making it sound like it was all HIS idea and he didn't want his "friend " Johnny to get off

@Upintheclouds94 11 ай бұрын

Rest in peace to the family and condolences to their family and friends. ❤️🕊️

@sarajeanmarinershera208 3 ай бұрын

So many murdered over custody. It's insane. The poor children will grow knowing that. So sad

@rosannacellini2158 11 ай бұрын

I'm so glad those two will stay in prison where they belong. How coldblooded. First time I'm hearing this murder case. Thanks for bringing out this horrendous case, Mike. 👍👍

@JetBazooka21 11 ай бұрын

Always appreciate the hard work on these cases Mike

@ThatChapter 11 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!!

@lindaford5605 11 ай бұрын

Mike works hard, gives us That Chapter & podcast.❤❤

@jadedavis822 11 ай бұрын

@@ThatChapter could you maybe do the Atlanta Child Murders please!!!

@angelafranklin2267 11 ай бұрын

@@jadedavis822GOOD ONE!!!

@Thisismetman 11 ай бұрын

Mike is the best! That Chapter and Mr. Ballen are the very talented!

@einienj3281 11 ай бұрын

I don't think I've heard this one.. to a true crime addict, this is really odd.. 🤔🤨 Thank You Mike! ❤

@jackieellabella3699 7 ай бұрын

You’re amazing how you gather all this content and put it together! I’ve never even heard of this case, you enlighten us to true deep heinous acts in this world. It’s so sad when someone else brings danger to their family. Not saying it’s the daughter’s fault but when you involve yourself with deeply troubled people, you bring it to those around you too and many times they are the ones to suffer. I know this from experience. Be very cautious who you invite into you and your family’s life and be careful who you chose to have kids with.

@user-un2wl5vx9x 7 ай бұрын

Totally agree!

@laurahenriksen19 11 ай бұрын

Wow. That poor lad even after having physical and emotional turmoil from his family still killed to protect them. Johnny is a terror 😮

@GrandmaDawn118 11 ай бұрын

Yessssss! Nothing makes me happier than seeing a notification come through from Mike when I’m scrolling through & looking for something to watch on this rainy afternoon 😊 Let’s give it a Goo!!! ❤

@Pixeleyes 11 ай бұрын

"you be the judge....til I tell you what happened" my sides

@sammo385 11 ай бұрын

I just got a job in Darien… scary to see things like this happen so close to home. May all the deceased rest in peace. 😢

@markcites1841 11 ай бұрын

From Darien growing up. This is crazy. It is a nice town.

@mneri84 11 ай бұрын

@@markcites1841it’s what the signs say.

@mneri84 11 ай бұрын

Don’t feel so bad when we moved here the next week someone was killed at the Walmart…

@burgesj7 11 ай бұрын

It's refreshing you are taking a more serious tone. It's why I originally subscribed to you years ago. It's a treat again

@rebecculousrk 11 ай бұрын

The rare case I’d never heard of! Thanks Mike, for years of top tier content. I love ya!❤

@davinastein5776 11 ай бұрын

Mike, please do a book on tape. It can’t be healthy falling asleep to murder all the time 😂

@MelaNone 11 ай бұрын

A murder story book? 🤔 😂

@k.ohalloran8758 11 ай бұрын

Same!!!!

@Staindsoull 11 ай бұрын

Same

@jonathandimitrijevic6715 11 ай бұрын

This happened in my hometown while I was living there. WILD to see it covered here.

@hiyapal7719 11 ай бұрын

Listening for that "Give it a goo,' because we Love you too. 🥰

@carmensaify 11 ай бұрын

I can't figure out what this criminal mastermind's best case scenario was here? It all feels so complicated & unnecessary.

@antjobert 11 ай бұрын

He's a dummy. He thought that having them murdered would mean he gets sole custody of the kid.

@vanessamccarthy7807 11 ай бұрын

@@antjoberttrue and sickeningly the very same kid he actually had overnight care of at the time of the murders but chose to leave in somebody else's care (presumably his disgusting and delusional mother's -she's made me mad, can you tell? lol) to go set himself up with an on camera alibi.

@kerryhughes3407 11 ай бұрын

Clearly the crack pipe took control of what small brains they had.

@sunshine3914 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, but this happens to baby mamas over 3x a day in the US… possibly more, but that’s the average by the ones who are convicted. There’s just a shite ton of stupid out there.

@catlady5359 11 ай бұрын

Johnny clearly was such a devoted father that he arranged for his son’s mother and her whole family to be killed while out at a casino making an alibi while his infant son was at his home being looked after by someone else (probably J’s delusional mother). Another example of a whacko angry person who wants custody in order to punish an ex *not* because he/she loves the child. Jacob’s attitude in court revealed a lot about his character, too; I’m sure he wasn’t too regretful about killing his ex-friend, Michael, or his parents. He wouldn’t have done it on his own, but I don’t think it was that hard to convince him to kill them. Glad they’re in jail and I hope they are there until they’re old men too sick and weak to hurt another person. I hope Angela and Anthony have been able to find some peace as they’ve gone on with life.

@Justaskme781 11 ай бұрын

I agree. In court Jake sounded like a grown man who knew what to do. I don't think he did it because he was scared. I think he did it because he wanted to do it. Johnny probably promised him he could feed part of his gang

@jillwiegand4257 11 ай бұрын

How truly sad for all involved. I grew up in that area and when you said where this happened, i knew it had to be more than just a break in. This kind of thing never happened there. Its a very safe place. Glad justice was done. RIP to the parents and son ❤❤❤.

@WhattEvery 11 ай бұрын

Well deserved sentences for both of them. Johnny was the mastermind without a doubt. F*kc those people picketing for him. Thanks for the story, Mike!

@BrandyBeach 11 ай бұрын

At least the dude admitted the truth and was willing to go down for it, we don’t get that to often 🤷🏻‍♀️ love ya mike 👍🏻🌹🌹

@amieaiello3456 11 ай бұрын

I’m catching up on your last few videos I’ve missed and I love that you bring us cases that are not so mainstream and being done by anyone else! I watch a lot of true crime so when I see new cases that’s saying something! Not to mention, you’re absolutely brilliant in your delivery! We all love you too! ❤

@elizabethgrogan8553 11 ай бұрын

Mike, your content is so good. Although the crimes are horrific, you tell the story without leaving me in tears on the floor.

@kittencatlover156 11 ай бұрын

you know someone is guilty when they say to the Police " I dont care if you think I did it" Cause An innocent person would care an f load. Like a whole truck load of caring

@lisalynnmarie2448 11 ай бұрын

Excellent video! Hate drives people to do such egregious crimes, such as in this case. I'm glad they're where they absolutely deserve to be, away from society forever. Until Friday, have a good week you fine, fine group!!

@rukiapyonpyon 11 ай бұрын

So happy to find 4k likes in just under one hour.🎉 Its always delivered respectfully yet in a very witty manner

@skreemqueen7520 11 ай бұрын

This is such ridiculousness!!!! There’s never a good reason for murder but these murders were so senseless!!!! I’m so thank the entire thing was unraveled! My sympathy to the victims loved ones. Great work Mike , I’d never heard this case. Take care …. Because I love ya too !

@7jcjg 11 ай бұрын

i'd say protecting your family from this psychopath would have been a good reason myself... but hey, maybe just willingly dying or running away to let your family die by his hand would be better in your opinion... cool

@necessarilybritt 11 ай бұрын

Dude your constantly releasing the best content on KZfaq I’ve been watching you since the tenfoil hat days I’m so proud of how far you’ve come ❤️

@iizateba299 11 ай бұрын

Tenfoil hat days? Please explain

@mariechosgaire6984 11 ай бұрын

Tinfoil hat

@tan9515 11 ай бұрын

I live near Darien & have never heard of this story. Great work as always Mike!

@Scratchingforcash 11 ай бұрын

Jacob on the stand was extremely ignorant. He acted bored and annoyed. IMO, not a good way to sway a jury in your favor. I know he was guilty but acting like this case annoys you will probably make a jury be extremely harsh on your sentence. RIP to the Kramers and prayers to their family. Thanks Mike.

@itsybitsy999 11 ай бұрын

Jacob had nothing to lose. It wasn't his trial - it was Johnny's.

@foreveranna11 9 ай бұрын

Think he just gave up, knew he was going to jail and had nothing to lose anymore i can imagine he was dissociating as well

@kphoto83 11 ай бұрын

That sorrowful song at the conclusion always gets me. It's a brilliant add. 🙏

@eccentricaesthetics8515 11 ай бұрын

Great way to "brighten up" being sick at home. Thanks for coming through, bang on time, as always Mike. 😊 Let's give it a go!

@Pinkypromise8812 11 ай бұрын

Get well soon!❤

@eccentricaesthetics8515 11 ай бұрын

@@Pinkypromise8812 that's very kind of you, thank you! I truly appreciate it. 😁

@JustMe-fo4ev 11 ай бұрын

this content brightens you up? seek therapy.

@vickil3256 11 ай бұрын

I feel you. I just spent a week in the hospital with sepsis & recovering at home also. Hope you feel better soon.🫶🏻

@danbo333 11 ай бұрын

Hope you feel better.

@agnes2344 11 ай бұрын

I live in Chicago, have all my life, and this happened way too close to home. RIP to the family. 🙏

@flej01 11 ай бұрын

R.I.P to the Kramer family, I hope both are never released. My heart goes out to the remaing family

@TheMarilyn139 11 ай бұрын

Hi Mike ! Thankyou once again for another brilliant episode from That Chapter ! this was a really terrible crime about manipulation When Borizv told Jake to murder his ex girlfirends parents and their young son ! all because of a custody battle ! a cruel and dispicable crime and Jake and John both received hefty sentences and thoroughly deserved for their actions ! Thanks Mike you deliverd an intriguing story and presented as always with true professionalism !!! I will def see you in the next ol' video Big Dog and stay safe and those around you too Love ya too Mike as do all your eager followers ! and as always " LET'S GIVE IT A GOO " !!!!! superb Mike just superb !!!!

@raptorsfan3907 11 ай бұрын

I see a new that chapter video I immediately get into bed, close my eyes and drift off into a nightmare. No matter the time. No matter the place.

@myunknownland9272 11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@teresaspaulding1120 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Mike! No days off for me this week so this is exactly what I needed! Let's give it a go! :)

@plaguedocvirtue 11 ай бұрын

Imagine having your life savings conned out of you. Think of this case and how it could be much, much worse.

@mike_e888 11 ай бұрын

Killed this one Mike! Great one just like everything else you've done! Been watching for years..... Like 5 years. Ive recently feel off for a year or two, but you got me back on this one!

@GalvMermaid50 11 ай бұрын

Hi Mike, I've been watching some of your older videos, and I wanted to say, you are doing an incredible job! You have grown so much and your energy and personality shine through. Stay well.❤

@lordbendtner7021 11 ай бұрын

Personally prefer the older ones, to be honest.

@nicoledenning8090 11 ай бұрын

@@lordbendtner7021 curious why?

@KathyAnne28 11 ай бұрын

I only keep up with the days of the week because of That Chapter ❤ just getting started on this one but it's already saved to my That Chapter playlist.

@bilindalaw-morley161 11 ай бұрын

Im amazed at how calm and relaxed Jacob is, with police and in court. In the latter, i kept thinking. "Psychopath?" Maybe Johnny just enabled some latent desires.

@morganlyons8561 11 ай бұрын

You may not see this but I would LOVE to see you cover the murder of Karissa Boudreau in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia, Canada. A mother planned to murder her daughter, laid out an alibi, drove her daughter to a remote location and strangled her while face to face with her while she begged for her life. There is many videos of the mother (murderer) on the news crying and pleading for her daughter to come home. I'm not from the area but moved here a few years ago and 15 years later people still talk about it because nothing so heinous has ever happened here in this town.

@sunshine3914 4 ай бұрын

Wow! That takes a considerable amount of time & strength. I know this bc decades ago a guy convinced his new gf to knock off his ex & it took her several tries & different methods. Most bizarre story ever.

@TaraTiaraBell 11 ай бұрын

Hey Mike, always good to see ya. I know you’re story’s are true crime and sad but you do the victims and families great justice

@EEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKK 11 ай бұрын

Love your videos so much! Been watching for a few years now(since 2021 I believe) and am absolutely hooked on your podcast episodes as well! Thanks mike for all the effort, hard work and amazing content you(and Keith on the podcast!) put out!

@Ayaistakingabreak 3 ай бұрын

I seriously still cannot understand how someone could harm their own kid’s mother. The fact that he wanted her whole family dead shows the hatred he had for her and I am glad she is still alive and that he is not winning that custody case ever!

@theluchakabuto5206 11 ай бұрын

Panicking person calling 911: PLEASE HELP THERE IS SOMEONE SHOOTING IN MY HOME Operator: Can you describe the decibel level of these gun shots? How many shots exactly did you count? What is your favorite pizza topping? :):)

@Brawlstriker89 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the content Mike! Long time viewer. Nice seeing you get the success you deserve.

@katie3657 11 ай бұрын

Definitely!

@AmeliasMiMi 11 ай бұрын

The fact that both of these goons end up calling 911 themselves was OMG hilarious. Not to mention the fact the so called mastermind (if you can call him that) walks on in to the police station like there’s no way possible they can touch him is just mind blowing. Someone else in comments referred to these two as dumb and dumber and I’d have to agree. It would indeed be comical if the results of these morons actions weren’t so horrific. I do pray for peace for the Kramer Family.

@fugginrambo 11 ай бұрын

I just love hearing Mike say "DRUGS GANG"

@aellipsis 11 ай бұрын

For someone smart enough to convince an idiot to kill an entire family while trying to create an alibi, he’s pretty stupid for not knowing about the whole conspiracy to commit part.

@criddler13 11 ай бұрын

I'm from Chicago and in 2012 I had to go to the suburbs for work for a day. I was arrested for a possession. I ended up in the same cell block as Jake dupage county jail. The inmates I I chilled with talked about what a pussy he is and how he won't make it in prison. He gained like 100 pounds from the time of his arrest. He was Very timid. I remember stacks and stacks of magazines and commissary in his cell. One day he was on the phones crying to his grandmother like literally crying his version of events that he doesn't remember anything until the police were chasing him and how he was going to shoot himself when he got pulled over. He was a heroin addict and was given dope to kill everyone in that house so that the other guy could get custody. Idiots.

@ssllsg9439 11 ай бұрын

did he told you this or did you hear rumors in the yard?

@asabovesobelow7981 11 ай бұрын

damnnnnnnnnnnnnn

@criddler13 11 ай бұрын

@@ssllsg9439I literally lived with him

@theREALchriszito 11 ай бұрын

LMAO i been dope sick plenty of times dunno if id ever committ murder but i could see this dumbass believing this plan would work. tbh it almost did but he got paranoid and told on himself

@jaswin5994 11 ай бұрын

@@ssllsg9439the rumors are true in jail