It was stolen

@@juanmorales5133 Spain has two territories in Africa. Where they stolen ?

@@derekferguson2328 never because Morocco did not exist,yet. However Gibraltar is part of Spain.

@@juanmorales5133 not true. also gibraltar was given, not stolen

@@universalsubliminals1174 lee un poco de hiistoria de España.

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And one as a European can feel being attached to the EU, while being somehow forced by other European Swiss to live outside the EU, because we believe we are exceptional and the best.

I identify as a Londoner and then English. I have absolutely no negative opinions of the EU. We just identify what we feel we are.

As a born and bread Gibraltarian and after the Brexit Back Stubbing saga we have endured, this is how I feel today, First I feel Gibraltarian, then European and then unfortunately, British because we have no option but too.

Sure, Jan.

Viendo lo que hacen los franceses en África,es de interés internacional, poner fin a la esclavitud y el saqueo y el desplazamiento forzado de la población, arriesgando la vida para salir de la miseria que ocasiona los países ocupantes de los territorios africanos

Sure, let's ask the colonizers what they think ! This is a joke, Gibraltar was Spanish until the British did what the British did best, send troops, plant a flag and colonize the bloody place !

Los territorios ocupados del imperio español, Canadá Guyana, Malvinas, Belice, y otras islas del Caribe, no son territorios de ultramar de nadie,son territorios ocupados del imperio español, y no por ganar una guerra,es por el reparto de Napoleón tras el secuestro de toda la familia real española Y los Estados ocupados del imperio español por los colonos yankees también

Los británicos y franceses no conquistaron ningún territorio español, nunca, fueron los Borbones quien regalaron los territorios a los que le nombraron Rey del imperio más grande del mundo, El MERIDIANO ESPAÑOL se extiende De Polo Norte A Polo Sur y al Oeste Del Meridiano Español, y es a perpetuidad. Todo Es Español

That's fair, that's why they mention that there's a generational difference! What is your personal experience in terms of identity?

Very good question, Only last night I met with my very old friends of 50 years, One is 100% english man married to a Gibraltarian lady, the other is 100% Scottish man also married to a Gibraltarian Lady who passed away recently, the next is a born Gibraltarian and his brother of Maltese descent, the next was born in Gibraltar of Spanish descent, the next was also born in Gibraltar of Genoese descent and I born in Gibraltar of Portuguese descent from 4 generations back in time, We all feel Gibraltarian even those that where not born here, We are all British and proud of it but we feel most proud to belong to this little community of ours which we will defend to the end, We have no problem with our neibours in fact I love their hospitality, culture and generosity, worked with them in Gibraltar for many years and there is not a bad word I can say about them, great people, One of my grandsons does not speak Spanish and I am trying to convince him to try, my other grandson is half Irish and half Gibraltarian, he also is finding it hard to speak Spanish and I try to teach him in my own way to speak andalucian Spanish which shows on my part that I have nothing against Spain, but when it comes to Madrid I will never trust them, they still carry franco's mentality and still don't understand democracy like we do. I could carry on but i could go on forever.

@@enentr And as to how i was treated in the Uk Iwas born in Gib but my parents emigrated to London when I was 2 years old and started school there, I was never badly treated by anyone in the school, I came back to Gib when I was 7 years old and had a worst time in Gib school than I had in London lol which is why I don't understand that lady's experience but I not saying she is lying, we go through life experiencing different things.

Well actually who cares about the experience of 60 thousand breakaway people ?! Purely anecdotal 😎

​​@@SuperLuckystrike1 that's really interesting. I'm a Brit who moved to Spain in his 20s. It's really interesting to hear the English and Spanish influences in the way Gibraltarians speak English. I started learning Spanish as a teenager because it's a family language on my mother's side, and I still feel like a European even though I accept that the majority of the UK voted to leave.

It is the same for native people! Gib’s GDP is one of the highest in Europe. The latest data is quite old, from 2016, but back then Gibraltar had a GDP per capita of just under €93k!

Yes there are government subsidized housing for Gibraltarian residents (3 years +) as well as new developments where they can buy apartments half price, with re-sell restricted to residents only. This created two housing markets: local and open, same as in Jersey.

@@enentr GDP per capita is the 2nd highest in the world, next to Qatar.

Yes, we wanted it to be clear that there's a causal relationship between Franco's death and the border reopening. Thanks for spelling it out!

Even if franco died in 1975 = Between 1975 and 1982 / 1985 spain s politicians still had fascist attitudes against Gibraltar

No, she does not. She finishes questions saying, "no", which is Spanish, rather than "yes", which is British.

Yes I’m Welsh and I thought that! She sounds like she’s from the valleys 😂

​@@jesusbermudez6775 Agreed. Southern Spanish accent couldn't be more different. Esta gente no tiene ni idea 😜

Maybe your looking at the situation with a strictly British eyes/conception. I'm from one of the French overseas in the Caribbean and from my over 20 years of experiencing social Life in Europe (French and UK I'm UK based now) Identity, Citizenship, Culture, Race are very confusing for mainland Europeans. For most people I know they mean exactly the same... For overseas territories all over the world, those concepts are perceived very or sometimes extremely differently. I'm black Caribbean coming from an eclectic ethnical background ( I look let's say black-asian because of my native mixity, I was born in Paris ( some people find me very French..) and I speak English with more of a American-like accent because I grew up in the Caribbean....) I confuse people so much in London, I don't even know where to start 😂😂😂😂 First thing first is sticking to History to understand us. If, you look at Gibraltar from a Mainland perspective, I've never been there but I believe you won't understand it. If you put on your "historian" glasses, things start to make sense. It is the same for a lot of Caribbean cultures, for philipinos, Mauritius, south Americans etc... Some people are confused by philipinos having Spanish names and enjoying South American music while eating Asian food, being Asians and living in Asia. If you know a bit about their History it's completely.... normal

The top 8 most common surnames in Gibralter are Spanish.

Most Gibraltarians have at least some Spanish ancestry.

Lmao being a tax safe haven for corporate gambling casinos and controlling the world's most used waterway is something Spain would've done if they had won the prior seige.

because its a tax haven |wtf

Life quality in Spain is not that much different from the UK. La Linea is not quite like the rest of Spain its way poorer and Gibraltar is not an average UK city, its way richer

@@Ed-ss1uh Why don't they do that in Cadiz?

@@jfarinhote It's rich because it's idependent from Spain, not because it's part of Britain. It just uses Britain for protection.

That's the Gibraltarian accent for you!

Welsh

1985 is the year of the reopening of the border

Portugal is Galiza Sorry Salazar 🎭

@@spaliverpool71As a portuguese I'm ok with that. All Galegos I've spoken with would rather have a Portugaliza or Galetugal

We love her accent -- such a cool mix!

@@enentr yes it's amazing

Everything about her couldn't be any more Southern Spanish 😏

Yes! Yet the UN keeps Gibraltar among the territories that are still to decolonise - why do you think that is?

El rey de Gibraltar es el Rey de España, no de UK y el imperio español nunca ha entregado la soberanía de ningún territorio, todo sigue bajo soberanía española y tenéis que salir de Gibraltar sólo fue cedido en usufructo

Indeed so. Gibraltar is self governing in all but matters of defence and foreign relations and probably most Gibraltarians are quite happy about that. The future of Gibraltar is a matter only for the people of Gibraltar. For many of them, of course, Franco's regime is still a living memory.

Gibraltar es una recompensa por el primer Borbón que ocupó el trono del imperio español, igual que la Luisana Y Menorca que se recuperó para España, El primer Borbón era nieto del rey de Francia luis catorce,o el rey 👑 Sol y cedió la Luisana sin soberanía de ningún tipo y no podía vender ni traspasar, y Gibraltar me da pereza y además estoy de vacaciones para decir lo mismo Ciao

@@carmen2689 ¿Desconoces el tratado de Utrecht?

Actually it's 2 enclaves in Northern Morocco. Never say never 👻

Actually, all Morocco should be handed back to Spain.

Those are not colonies, they are integral partes of Spain. Never the UN or any independent country has recognize them as colonies. They have been Spanish since before the Alaouit kingdom existed. Had they been colonies they would have been handed over with the rest of the protectorate.

​@@Odiseiopero muchacho qué dices😂 España tenía un protectorado sólo en el norte, y además este SÍ era una colonia.

Ya lo sé. La cuestión es que nuestro interés es ese. Lo árabes a Arabia. El norte de África debe ser reconquistado.@@dans7497

Who has high taxes?

@@ScorpionSuerteSpain…

@@Jonasvolley They're normal

No, as it's controlled by the inhabitants, rather than a country from afar

Its not a colony because its contested. It was literally a Crown Colony. They only changed the name recently when it became less fashionable. And its on the list of NSGTs of the UN Special Comittee on Decolonization. It is Europe`s last colony.

Catalonia a colony?! For real?! Catalonia was a coloniser. There was still Catalan slave owners in the Carribean until the 1870s....

Yes!

Like Surinam?

You need all that tax haven money first 🤡

You compare a town with 35000 inhabitants which is a tax haven with a country of 47 million people. Is like comparing Dublin with France.

exactly@@dans7497he sounds dumb

@@dans7497 Monaco

@@ScorpionSuerte another option

They had a vote and they voted stay British that's democracy

Gibraltar has voted to stay with the UK, which is their human right. In the words of the UN "In the process of decolonisation, there can be no alternative to the principal of self determination". Regardless, gibraltar is more likely to become independent than it is to become spanish

@@littleshep5502 que fastidio, los colonos tienen que volver a su tierra, no votan en territorio nacional español

@@carmen2689 Well, lucky for them, they aren't in Spanish national territory. Gibraltar is a separate nation with its own territory and borders

@@littleshep5502 no, España no entrego la soberanía de ningún territorio, nunca!!!

Después de Gibraltar váis a salir de las Malvinas también españolas, y de la Capitanía General de la Guayana española por supuesto, que invadieron los territorios ocupados del imperio español y el continente español forma parte de España desde 1492! de Polo Norte a Polo Sur y al oeste del meridiano español

I looked at the treaty and it says it does not give territorial jurisdiction to the British. So the place is Spanish.

​@@jesusbermudez6775cueta and melia has been forced to be occupied by Spanish 😂😂😂😂😂😂

the will of the people in those areas want to be Spanish@@CardiffUlster

Jajajaja dude, what a ton of nonsense. 1-In the democracy Index, Spain is position ED even better than the US, Israel, South Korea or Italy with 8,07 points, should we consider all these countries non democratic? 2-Spain is among the 15% of the richest countries by gdp per capita and among the 7% richest by nominal gdp. And it's IHD is among the top 30. Almost the same as France's. (Also, Spain has a higher life expectancy than the UK and it's Healthcare is considered to be also better... How do they do that? Magic? ). 3-It is true that it is not at the same level as other western European countries in innovations and we have problems, but calling it as if it was a third World country is lying. Yet, Spain is the second in organ transplanting activity only behind the US for example. We can also talk about AVE (the second largest High speed network in the world), countries like Saudi Arabia or Malaysia hired Spanish companish to build their High speed networks. Spain is working with France and Germany in the developement of the SCAF, a 6th gen fighter. Australia hired Navantia to build Spanish-designe F-100 destroyers and their two LHDs. Wow, I thought there was no innovation in Spain XD. Does Zara, Inditex, Iberdrola, Ferrovial, Telefónica, IAG, CASA or Indra ring bells? Nah, definetely there is no innovation in Spain. Last but not least, the fact that the UK has or has had so many disputes with many countries around the world (Gibraltar, Falklands, North Ireland, Chagos, everything that the british museum does not want to return, all the coups and invasions, even the steriotype of the drunken tourists... we can also add the idea of being incapable or too entitled to learn foreign languages) does not make you think that maybe you are doing something wrong? Or you are too entitled to recognize it?

Reform

Ceuta and Melilla aren’t colonies! They’ve been an important part of Spain for over 500 years. Morocco has only existed for 50 years. It is a big difference.

The Utrecht treaty never gave territorial jurisdiction to the British. Gibraltar is Spanish.

Ceuta and Melilla are colonies ….. they are not self sufficient like Gibraltar . Europeans should really ask how a small nation of 34000 is a self governing state except for external foreign affairs …..as for the Canary and Baleárico Islands including 2 small little “enclaves” are all controlled by Madrid and are taxed !

@@jesusfriasambrona9261 neither is Gibraltar if spain wants people to repect Ceuta and Melilla as part of Spain, then Spain should recognise that Gibraltar is an British Overseas Territory because its people wish

@@jesusbermudez6775 then Ceuta is Moroccan, Gibraltar is not spain nor its people are Spanish they are Gibraltarian and British, if they wanted to be part of Spain fine, but they dont ,they want to Remain British what part of that dont you understand?

Spain should return Olivenza to Portugal and Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco.

@@joserodrigues46 ceuta and melilla were spanish cities before morocco was a even a country.....

@@manuelfg2902 That's a typical Spanish myth. Morocco has always existed as a unified country with the name "Morocco" or any other. With regards Gibraltar, it is to their inhabitants the decision to be independent, British or Spanish. Spain cannot claim any devolution by force.

@@joserodrigues46 in that case, its also ceuta and melilla inhabitants decision, isn't it?

@@manuelfg2902 Right, so I don't understand the old narrative of Spanish politicians claiming rights to Gibraltar. I think Spain always feels uneasy about any referendum, contrary to other democratic European nations.

Scotland isn't a colony

@@littleshep5502 Define Scotland. What is it?

@@ianmacrae2710 Scotland is a component country, one of four that make up the united kingdom

@@ianmacrae2710 England doesn't have a central government. Scotland cannot leave the UK without permission, with this being controlled by the UK gov. The only country which can is northern Ireland as part of the good Friday agreements. And no, Scotland isn't, and has never been, a colony

@@littleshep5502 I’m not sure if you realise, but you have just accepted that Scotland is a colony. The sovereign, independent country of Scotland entered into a supposedly ‘voluntary’ economic and political union with another country (there is nothing in the Treaty of Union that made it a territorial union) but you are now saying that Scotland cannot leave that ‘voluntary’ union other than with someone else’s permission. All that is required to leave a ‘voluntary’ union is to notify the other party that you are leaving. If you require anyone’s permission, it is no longer a ‘voluntary’ union and you have become a colony. Of course England has a central government, it is called Westminster and if you don’t think it’s England’s government you can’t count. It pretty much admits to being such by the fact there is a Secretary of State for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland but no Secretary of State for England. In 1706, Daniel Defoe (and English spy) said, ‘The Scots will be allowed to send to Westminster, a handful of men who will make no weight whatever. They will be allowed to sit there for form’s sake to be laughed at.’ And so it has proved to be. It’s interesting you say, ‘Scotland cannot leave the UK without permission, with this being controlled by the UK gov’. The English Government defined the UK with the United Nations as ‘A Union of two countries, a principality, and a province’. Furthermore it said, Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland were self-governing and could leave the UK anytime they wished. Of course they said this because they knew if they didn’t, under the United Nation’s decolonisation statutes, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would clearly be defined as colonies. But know you are telling me this was a lie and Scotland can only leave the 'union' with England’s permission. Interestingly, there is a civil liberation movement in Scotland in the process of preparing to take a case to the United Nations to trigger their decolonisation statutes. Put another way. Imagine you had a business that I wanted to take it over so I said, ‘How about we amalgamate our businesses?’ and you replied, ‘No, I don’t want to’. So I put a gun against your head, and say, ‘What about know?’ (Remember that at the time of the signing of the Treaty of Union the English had their Army amassed in Ulster and on the Scottish border and their Navy stationed in the Firth of Forth outside of Edinburgh and the English Chancellor of the day famously said, ‘It is union or war’). So you sign up to the deal (so as not to lose your head) and in the new enterprise you get 45 shares and I get 486 (the split of representatives in the first parliament formed after the supposed union) then I put a proposal to the Board of Directors (which is you and me) that you can only leave with the Board of Directors’ permission (i.e. the equivalent of the constitution is reserved). We take a vote and lo and behold the proposal pass with 486 votes for and 45 against. Then many years from then you say, ‘This isn’t working for me, I want to leave’, to which I reply, ‘You can shut the F up and get back to your desk, I’ll tell you when you’re leaving and it ain’t going to be anytime soon!’ If you ever had any illusion you were in a partnership it has been dispelled and if you were a country you are what is commonly known as a colony.

The mental gymnastics Spanish go through to pretend Ceuta & Melilla are totally dissimilar to Gibraltar. n the past the Spanish govt has deliberately not used the UN or ICC as a means of applying pressure as it would undermine their position in Ceuta & Melilla

😂😂😂 for sure!

Ceuta used to be Portuguese first. Why not giving it to Argentina instead? 🤠

@@spaliverpool71 I'm surprised Argentina hasn't claimed Gibraltar (yet)!

@@nickbrown6457 And they could also swap Gibraltarian monkeys 🐒 for Falkland penguins 🐧