i missed marin. still the best SKT top laner

@@quintusfabiusmaximus8700 Duke was good too.

Clearlove griefed hard, but yeah

@@quintusfabiusmaximus8700 couldn't agree more, Marin is my favorite T1 back in the days.

@@danieldaniels9854 duke got hit by an arrow lmao

Reminds me of the KT play also. KT up 10k and just got first baron, wolf moves nami just out of vision and ults, faker and huni follow it up but faker gets the hype cast. Supports rarely get the shoutouts.

I feel like the flash silence by huni was the actual play there. Obviously wolf shot called it and made the initial engage, but it would not have meant anything without huni silence which allowed time for faker to run into position for the shockwave.

every set up means nothing without damage to finish the targets. imagine if faker's oriana hit like wet noodles. those knock ups and those charms will mean nothing. they would have just regrouped and go for a counter engage. wolf's engage was great, but never discredit faker's damage output.

So it’s like they said in the video; if any part of that combo was missing the play would’ve been a dud.

It didn't really matter who's play it is, If Wolf didn't engage the play wouldn't have happened, Huni's silence kept EDG in check so without that a counterplay could've been possible and without Faker's shockwave, T1 wouldn't get the amount of damage to finish off EDG. Every part of that wombo combo so as stated in the video.

Sorry I'm not familiar with LoL but I do play a lot of DotA. Is the blue team out of position by today's standards? It looks like they all got caught by big teamfight ults because they were standing together.

They were caught out because they were trying to go for an objective at the bottom side of the map. Since they were already 10k gold ahead, they were confident they could win. They also didn’t have vision of the enemies at the top side of the map. Thus, the blue team was caught off guard by the sudden engage of the red team.

@@deeman010gdj Bruh it was explained by the narrator. Weren't you paying attention ?

@@NielArmstrength yes, I understand the above but I'm asking if they were out of position (their formation) by today's standards. For example, in DotA 5/4 man ravages (a large AOE stun) were common years ago. Nowadays, you're happy if you get to land it on both the carry and the mid because of how spaced out formations are for pro teams.

@@deeman010gdj true, dota teamfights are pretty much scattered nowadays, mobility is kinda thru the roof now especially with the new items and stuff, hitting just 2 man ults feel so good now

Of course he's a Xayah you can just press R and dodge and after your ult you flash out. Everybody can do that.

@@chrisevonieestrella5743 now how many people can actually see and react to that coming in time

@@somerandomyoutubeuser1232 he is not the main target, the rakan didnt ulti flash w him, he comboed janna

To be fair compared to the other players, he didn't get hit by rakan r, he was just out of range, it's a little less impressing whn you notice that. I would still die without pressing any button in his state though.

That was actually underrated. Unless you play adc decently, youre not even going to be able to react to it

Still sad for Huni that he wasn't able to win worlds that year, would have been nice for the man that has played for so many regions

@@InstalockLoL Yeah sadly it was really all on Faker's shoulders to carry most of the time during 2017. That's why the meta against SKT 2017 was hard camp Faker or focus down Faker in teamfights because often the SKT at the time panicked when he was already taken down and hesitate to retaliate or regain composure to resist. The Malzahar spam by crown was a planned strategy to shutdown Faker. Malzahar at the time wasn't really the top tier meta pick but it had one purpose, target one carry. By sacrificing your mobility, efficiency and burst damage to roam around the map. They decided to capitalize on the effectiveness of how the Malzahar can shutdown one carry by constantly making follow ups on that ulti or silence. We knew at the time botlane was struggling, toplane was neutralized, jungle was neutralized if they cant properly play around Faker. The problem at the time there werent enough bans to get the malzahar. Faker wont play Malzahar on pro play finals, it's a major problem but they believed that the other signature meta champions of SSG were more important to ban. SSG just simply had superior team coordination than SKT's One carry reliance at the time.

@@shinjimirou928 i kinda agree, crown has always been inferior to faker and faker always gapped him whenever they played against each other, but by sacrificing his presence on the map with the malz pick just to lock down faker in lane and teamfights, it was just devastating considering 2017 worlds was bang's worst performance at an international tournament

@@guimauves6374 SSG Bang

@@shinjimirou928 Very true. I have been a long time Faker fan and you cannot imagine how angry I was at the Malzahar cancel SSG did 3 games in a row, in fact even to this day I'm still somewhat angry at Crown for that lol. Honestly respect to Crown for knowing his limits and sacrificing his ego for his team and also doing what he's supposed to on Malzahar, but I still feel bad for Faker and I got really annoyed at the time when some people tried to drive the narrative that Faker was no better than Crown since he couldn't do anything against Crown's Malzahar. 2017 SKT was really just a sinking ship that was miraculously dragged to the finals by Faker's godlike performances: Huni had flashes of brilliance but was volatile and either carried or fed, Peanut was getting out jungled often and a shadow of the great jungler that he was the season before going to SKT, Bang was quite literally inting his face off, Wolf also suffered because of Bang's underformances and SKT bot always lost lane; with a lesser mid laner they would have lost to Misfits in quarter finals. I'm sure everyone remembers semi finals where Faker picked Galio 5 games in a row against RNG and made the champion look like the most op character in the entire game doing literally everything to pull out a 3-2 victory, people even started memes about RNG ptsd banning Galio every game. Unfortunately SSG was possibly the best team at the time in terms of team play and also simply outclassed SKT in individual matchups outside of mid. Faker's 2017 SKT worlds run was probably the most dramatic LoL worlds story ever, even ending with the greatest player the game had ever seen breaking down in tears in the end and the crowd chanting his name. In many ways it is really a perfect parallel to Lebron Jame's Cleveland Cavaliers' NBA playoffs run in 2018, with an even more dramatic finals ending.

Only snowflakes does that. Everyone on SKT, the casters and the analysts recognized Rakan's call and play, the only thing Capt. Flowers yelled Faker's shockwave is because it made their healthbars low and have Janna deleted to negate her ult

The play happened in 3 seconds. There is not enough time to call everything that is happening. He was liike "Skt is going to eng... oh, oriana ulted and the play is over." Everyone played it perfectly, just not slow enough to give them all credit.

@@Alientcp Also im pretty sure it isnt Capt. Flowers Job as shout caster to explain the play step by step but to make the play hype. And whats more hype then a frikkin big shockwave that delets 4 people.

why do you think they're the best team of all-time?

@@elsuperhornasion2498 compare to the 15-16 roster of skt, 17 roster is tad worse than it.

@@KZXeno24 I think his point is that even when they’re not at their best they can still make legendary plays. Just my take tho

@@robertsuoberon3141 huh? I just said that 17 skt roster is weaker than 15-16 one, that's all, didn't say anything about their plays, after all I watched 2017 worlds and see quite a few memorable plays of T1, Faker's TF escape against RNG, the comeback game against the EDG to name a few.

@@KZXeno24 the context of the thread is that skt was not at their peak at the time (2017) and they still made those plays. Nobody is saying 2017 roster is better than 15-16. Don’t think el superhornasion is saying that 2017 is the best team of all time, he’s saying that SKT as an org is the best team of all time. ?

Actually, it's Huni's flash. Jk.

I have to agree with that, the majority of players wouldn't think of flashing in to use a non-ult ability, would normally be a very ballsy move. Makes more sense that an ult would be the play maker and not just a W ability. I can't deny this wouldn't be possible without the three of them though. I still think most credits go to Wolf for the shotcall. If I had to give credit to the three of them, Wolf had the hardest execution, Huni's flash into W took the biggest balls and Faker had the most pressure to finish the play off.

i think the most important part was when meiko didnt press r on rakan flash w, griefer

How is that more important than the engage? U Crazy? That wouldn't have happened without Wolf's engage, therefore it's not as important.

@@trollingnostalgia3680 Well my point is that it's a more brainfuck manouver in my opinion. Like you see rakan flash knockup a lot in league, but never in my life have I seen a cho w flash, and it played a core role in what happened

it was everyone lol, not only wolf, yes wolf was important to it, but so was Faker and the rest

wolf deserves all the credit in the world for skts success.

I searched up the biggest futball league comeback and KZfaq gave me this

You are literally wrong

@@darkhorseash4337 Sure he does, not all of SKT's but specifically this play. Yet, even for this he doesn't deserve all of its success. Huni deserves a lot of the credit because look at how little time he had to flash silence. Like next to none.

I bet you unlocked new core memory when that happened

sheeeesh

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Tbh it was the teams highlight ,and as a supp main that plays Rakan Still think it was a team effort , but faker did say that wolf did make the call so maybe he deserves everything but the cho flash e saved most of that fight

I think it was mostly Huni and Wolf. Without Wolf set up and Huni follow up, the shockwave wouldnt have hit

It’s like you didn’t listen to what Flowers said about the call lol. He’s 100% right. We’ve all seen Rakan get a 4 man knock up in solo queue or even in competitive play and with no follow up the Rakan is dead. Or Amumu. Or Jarvan. Great initiation is awesome but it doesn’t mean shit. The guy who won that fight was Faker with that shockwave. Huni honestly deserves the most credit because if Janna got her ult off it was a different fight but his flash silence made that all possible.

Ever saw football.. If yes then i dnt need to explain if no then i dnt want to explain. 🙏🏽

cast was bad caster dumb wolf

he didnt actually react in time to avoid the charm, he was just not in range to be hit

This was old rakan when he could flash r they removed that now looking back holy fuck this champ was insane

@@syferhaloed yeah they removed it and then they add rell's unreactable combo. Braindead company

Did you saw the match vs hle? They sjowed the same spirit

Just like how they stomp edg in second game

And this was a SKT on its way down. Not even peak SKT.

@@esrb123450 HLE never was ahead at any point for it to show. The only game they lost was an utter stomp, the rest of the T1 games in this Worlds were mostly a stomp.

That was the weakest roster they ever had at the time.

I think Guma and Keira would shit on Bang and Wolf in lane

​@@chrissears5482as much as I love bang, I gotta agree. Guma and Ker are a notch above. Top and jungle has always been skts struggle.. I miss marin

​@@thomas13james Zeus played insane in worlds tho

​@@chrissears5482 Probably, but Wolf is still my GOAT support despite Keria being an absolute monster.

Hey LG

Lol. why would ppl watch boring game. Crowd want kill and ur game dont provide it xD

Im sorry but 9-0 score is greatest comeback?

@@akinaridate9233 9-0 but with a 10k gold lead and also a skill which counters SKT's engage, Jenna's Ult. All of them on the same page making the wombo combo happened. How is this not the greatest comeback?

@@akinaridate9233 no one in the League history ever came back with that huge gold deficit. League is an esports that didn't prioritize the kill count, it's more on the gold, the plays and trade offs if it is beneficial or not.

@@skdonniee SKT did a comeback from an 11k gold deficit before. RNG also did that with Uzi. I dunno if base races count as comebacks, but if they do, EU would also have their share of comebacks.

Meanwhile, look at iboy’s reaction time to that engage. It was not a clean up quicker simply because he wasn’t caught in the combo thanks to Xayah’s ulti

@@edymiguel4247 props to his reaction time as well.

Yeah he instantly dodged Wolf's engage and Huni's flash silence with his ult, then he also instantly dodged Faker's shockwave by flashing right after his ult was done. All of this happened in a second. Absolutely insane.

@@po7aris I mean he has an ult that makes him invulnerable if you saw 4 people running at you and don't use that shit you just look dumb, not to mention Ori ult is ridiculously easy to flash out of.

@@CodyBraddock13 isn't that easy, his reaction was amazing, if everybody in EDG reacted the same way they would've flashed away from Rakan, counter engage and fuck SKT

@@CodyBraddock13 but he literally dodged the engage at the perfect moment lol

@@SoraNeet I mean they should have flashed, they knew he what he was about to do the only reasonable explanation I can think of is they might have thought rakans flash was down and Iboy was the only one that respected the potential of it being up.

Oh right he's a color caster all i thought he's the play by play

@@skdonniee whats a color caster?

@@alex2005z Probably a hype enducing-type of caster. A play-by-play caster is well, obviously what the name means, breaking down an entire play bit by bit giving an explanation and such.

Aged like fine wine

@@animedarius69 the finest!

fr, i always felt that wolf's massive engage went a little bit unnoticed

the rakan cho j4 wombo was insane

Exactly

@@aryanghadge5029 The non-casual fans always noticed. Just these silly Faker fangirls overhyping anything he does...

actually it was, killing janna was the right move, before she could use her r

Watch the entire video bruh

They have always had a casual perspective on esports

FYI to people who think Wolf doesn't get enough credit, LCK fans and Korean LoL fans call this the "Legendary Rakan Play". And Faker in countless occasions, starting from the post match interview, credited Wolf for this play

I wouldn't say "mainly". Obviously Wolf called the shot + his engage was perfect but if Huni didn't flash silence or if Faker's shockwave was even the tiniest bit late, this could've turned into a disaster. This was an excellent team effort. Though, I won't disagree that this play should've been credited to Wolf. He did call the play and set it up perfectly.

This channel doesnt understand League. He said in the start SKTs best player is their biggest weakness?? Like did u even watch the 2017 Worlds. And he was so behind cause he got camped because SKT can only win if Faker wins

Faker never won Worlds without Bengi anyways. Whatever the team had with Bengi in the Jungle position needs to come back

finally someone who has a clue of how skt won that fight it's the tremor sense

They saw them already going towards Baron side and assumed that SKT was there to put vision so they pushed the wave. Tremor sense won't help if SKT won't move. When they pushed the wave, they saw a glimpse of Faker and that's when they decided to back off and the rest is history.

don't do this to yourself man

@@illustris. I have instantly regretted it now

I just started playing LoL. What's wrong guys? Context please.

Two new guys lol.

New guy = literally the person who casted that scene lol

dumbest comment I've ever seen.

you might want to take a look at the names again in 1:52 and 4:35

One word Magnus xD

That wont happen. They have internet explorer. Next week they will remind us about stewie2k and C9 again, then olofmeister then some valorant shit, then reword a video "Top 10 XYZ plays of all time/past 5 years/etc". Then they will talk about dota. These guys have become scrubs.

@@Chu4Lyfe XD

@@Chu4Lyfe damn. Imagine being this wrong lol

@@Chu4Lyfe aged like milk

Faker hard carried the next series also against RNG. That iteration of SKT looks like a wreck at 2017 worlds, but somehow Faker dragged that team to finals. He was at his peak, and it was unfortunate that SKT couldn't cap 2017 with another worlds title.

Its more of a individual miracle than a team miracle.

@@minhanhle4027 that's why he's their biggest weakness.. why do you think they always go after him

yep, I actually felt that hes really tired during quarters and semis, I really doubt they can win against ssg as faker was probably tired mentally and physically. if only bang was decent that time

@@janbenedictcruz7334 Bang inted hard at 2017 Finals not even wolf can save him. *Siigh

Sad rakan noise

Captain Flowers is right about that call. We can always see great initiations 5 man CCs but it doesn't matter if you can't take down the whole team. Plus, Faker already recognized that Wolf initiated that team fight. So no reason to be sad.

of course he initiated it.... that's his job.

The forgotten "good video" 😂

That was his peak at that time

That was not just an comeback but it was a genius level comeback and probably the greatest of all esport

Yess, that play was tooo big brain by Ana. They only remember the "Ceeeeeeeb! Ceeeebb" call but sheesh that selling the item for his butterfly to have buyback up was insane. To top it off he's calm af 😭🤣🤣

Yes ana is the reason that og got 2 ti

Don't forget ana's ember dodging all skills thrown at him lul.