That 4chan post about Last of Us II saying "A game about good and evil made by people who think they're always in the right" perfectly sums it up

Joel did nothing wrong when he wiped out the fireflies

"Revenge bad" is a moral psyop created by people who, in a reasonable society, would be vengeance killed

The show: “Joel is such a scumbag for robbing humanity of a cure for his own selfish reasons.” Also the show: Never show any infected ever again after episode 5. The rest are all flashbacks. The last infected in this show chronologically is Sam. So if it’s not a big issue in the first place, why not let Ellie enjoy her life?

My only minor complaint about the show is that not a single brick or bottle was thrown; those things were extremely valuable to have in game and I was a bit let down that they didn’t include that in the show.

Can’t wait to see Joel’s golfing scene in season 2

Can't wait for Senator Abby Armstrong in Season 2 "Played college golf, you know. Could have gone pro if I hadn't transitioned"

I don't care how much people on the internet defend it, the kiss of death scene was and still is stupid.

Y'know, there was something kinda surreal about hearing one of my mothers friends, whose like 40-50 years old, bring up the Last of Us. Kinda really felt like some kind of secret I was keeping had been exposed.

That Saul cameo was the most wild one yet.

Man, the Last of Us show definitely has its flaws but you gotta hand it to them; the setting definitely feels like you’re in Portland, Oregon What do you mean it’s set in Texas?

Here's something that will no doubt get buried, but Last of Us the game implies the "cure" flat out wouldn't work no matter what. If I am remembering correctly, there was files/notes about previous people who were "immune". Ellie wasn't the first and most likely wouldn't be the last person to die for nothing.

Neil Druckmann needed to have tard wranglers throughout writing the game, even going so far to just letting Neil drop random ideas and the rest of the team do the work. Also, poor Pedro Pascal, he’s not in Henry Cavil territory of hexxed roles, but his roles either fit him perfectly, and fumble off the line, or stumbles and collapses immediately after it’s peak.

the main source of pain from this series is the obvious pretentiouness in the production. If Druckman would just stop sniffing his own farts and get over himself, allowing a tard wrangler assigned to him 24/7, it would actuallly rise above ”mid”. I mean seriously, telling your actors to not, under any circumstances, watch the source material ?

A big theme im noticing with were this show goes wrong is a childish understanding of trust and the "goodness" of humanity in a survival situation. In reality we know full well and have proof that people devolve into tribes in a disaster. Can't risk resources on a stranger, so you either shoo them off at best or kill them to protect your own, because friends and family are what matters to an average Joe and empathy is only going to reinforce this.

You have to love the fact that Neil Druckmann attempted to write a story about how revenge is bad, and failed miserably at it. Meanwhile, years earlier, Amy Hennig writes a story with similar themes in the Legacy of Kain games and ends up with one of the best video game stories ever. Maybe if Druckmann didn't screw Amy over, he could have got some tips on how to properly write a video game narrative.

Seems Neil Druckmann's still trying to be relevant. He caught lightning in a bottle once, then he smashed the bottle and tried to do it again with the shattered pieces.

Unlike to how people were rightfully upset about Joel Miller’s fate in TLOU: Part 2, when Abby takes Joel Pascal golfing in the next season I doubt nearly as many people are going to be upset because compared to Game Joel he just feels like a hollow imitation of him and as for Ellie let’s just hope they give her a better ending than what Part 2 gave her since the majority of it was basically giving her and Joel the finger with no end to the misery aside from that museum flashback.

Even in the original game I don't think I ever sided with the Fireflies. I always saw the military law of FEDRA as a necessary measure for the long term survival of humanity. The draconian punishments are used because they can't afford to waste resources on criminals in a prison.

Bill:joel find a reason to live Also bill:kills himself because his gay lover is about to die

I can remember the leaks for TLOU2. Man there were such good memes. I never played the game.

I mean TLOU already felt like a mid Zombie tv show plot anyway, so isn't this just the natural progression?

I see a pattern with head writers being cut out out of amazing IPs while the idea people stay. The most apparent being avatar to korra with Aaron ehasz, the man who made iroh and was the lead writer for every episode in avatar. And he was cut out of korra and it was felt severely.

Fantastic use of the intro song to Dead Rising 2 Off the Record.

You can blame Neill from trying to shove "vengeance is bad" into the last of us. With the amount of people he fucked over that we know of it must be a tactic to try and avoid retribution from them down the line

One theme I always personally felt people who argue *_"Joe Was Evil/Wrong"_* miss is *_"The Age Of Man Is Over/Does Humanity Even DESERVE To Survive?"_* Like a lot of people praise the scenery of TLOU and even moments like the giraffes walking on the roof and completely miss the point that all of it probably helped influenced Joel's decision to pick Ellie over any *_"idea"_* of humanity. The point of every city and state we visit in TLOU being overgrown isn't just to be dystopic, it's also showing us how Nature is returning back to it's beauty and reclaiming the Earth. While Man is only sinking further into filth fighting to hang on to whatever's left. Notice, just like Loli said, *_nobody_* is fighting to go back to the way we were before, nobody is fighting for a better tomorrow. *_Not even the pretentious ideologues who tell us they are._* Nature is evolving. Even the Cordyceps itself is as new versions of Infected are made. But Man and his machinations merely exist in limbo and kill each other off for survival's sake. I think since Neil is only the *_"Ideas Guy"_* he never even saw the true nuance in TLOU in that the idea of curing the Cordyceps was never the end goal because he's too moralistic like everyone else in California. So he could never comprehend a story where both sides can actually be bad *_AND ALSO_* make good points at the same time. And that is why he forced Amy and Bruce out, and that's why he keeps rewriting the history of TLOU. At first I thought his issue was that *_he_* never wanted people to think Joel was in the right. Now I see Neil never wanted TLOU to pan out the way it did. TLOU2 was what 1 would've been if we weren't blessed with the competent writers at the time.

Thank god someone has a level headed take on this show. This is refreshing in a “best show ever made” sea of piss

It's weird how the only good video game adaptations are based on games that barely had a plot in the first place.

also, the MV in the beginning actually made the show look badass lmfao.

'Overrated movie game that's only fondly remembered for an above average story and pretty graphics' is a more succinct articulation of my feelings about the first game than I've ever personally made.

I just want to bring this up since loli mentioned the aftermath of part 2. Doom Eternal and Ghost of Tsushima were released the same year as part 2. Both have multiplayer with GoT getting it a little later after launch because they ran out of time. Both also received dlc over time. All I remember hearing about part 2 was a next gen update and one difficult mode added with Joel singing at the end credits. I genuinely don't know how Naughty Dog expects to survive if their best path forward was to cross their fingers hoping the tv series wasn't a shit show while remaking the first game that wasn't even a decade old.

NO HATE-WATCHING SEASON 2 NO MORE HATE-WATCHING ANYTHING

Not as bad as Witcher but every episode had me asking "But why?" especially with changes from the game that was already well established. Also Ramsey still looks like a goblin.

I haven't seen the Show but played the game, I never understood the reason it needed to be made cuz the game almost like a show itself. I just hope we can finally get a decent game adaptation, that expanded to the story and even makes it to something in it's own.

I'm honestly really excited for season 2. If they kill Joel like the game, then the normies will be really upset and it'll vindicate our criticisms of TLOU 2. If they don't kill him or kill him in a different way, it'll vindicate it even further because they realized it was a mistake and wanted to change it. I just don't see a way of Abby golf clubbing Joel to death and people like my mother-in-law going "yeah it was really well deserved and was a great death to this character I've fallen in love with".

inb4 HBO hits this video with a copyright strike.

The don't shoot me kid, reminds me of how they tried to frame US Agent in Falcon and winter soldier. How they frame him as a monster for killing an "unarmed" surrendering superpowererd terrorist who aided his boss in killing his best friend and also tried to kill him. Thats good work right there, thats a fugitive who killed one of ours

So there's a lot of comments on the budget and that part where it touches on how they thought they didn't have enough money, while movies with *less* time and money managed to do more. The reason there's so many issues that seem like it was a budget issue is because of a combination of incompetent directing and clear graft. They weren't even shy about it, interviews with people explicitly stated Neil and the lead cast were overpaid for their work, and that's where the majority of the money went to. The current Naughty Dog mindset is pay people enough to care enough to work on the game while their careers are in jeopardy due to blacklisting policies enacted by Neil Druckmann, and TLOU2 needed the same budget as Marvel's Avengers to do that. The show was not made by motivated people, and only was given enough of a budget by HBO to make the show, not for Neil to skim off the top.

Ran out of money? Are you telling me the guy that fucked up one of the most beloved narrative driven games/series of all time fucked up the live action adaptation due to poorly written story, weird and cringe bullshit, and poor resource allocation? Never would’ve thought!

Thank you Saul Goodman featuring the Allmightyloli in the video again

This show is a product of what happens when you get a genuinely talented creative and surround them with pure yes-men. Neil has some clearly good ideas but the man has the writing skill of a 14 year old on tumblr. The fact that no one saw the massive issues with the changes made is insane. You’d think that after part 2 he’d understand the criticism but no, he fucking doubled down and couldn’t help himself from actively changing elements that were perfectly fine as it was.

Joel acting like a “pussy” is foundation (likely on Druckmann’s part) to justify his fate in Part 2. He was made 10 years older in the show for a reason. Also did you notice how in the fourth episode they show a woman with binoculars that looks exactly like Maria in the game?

To be honest if people want to see an actual adaptation similar like the last of us and being grim as fucked up. Just watch The Road...

This is how I feel about the show "it is so mediocre, that it is disappointing."

Take a shot every time he says "we'll talk about that later" you'll have the worst hangover of your life

Saul’s comment about fucking Gura was totally from Shota wasn’t it?

Why dont tv shows want to follow the exact story of the game? There is a reason why the game was a hit, dont try to make your own twist all the time!!

A lot of the focusing on the different enemies/factions didn’t even matter. You why focus on a lot of random ass bad guys and not focus on things like Joel’s brother?

Aggressively okay is pretty much the last of us in general i was kinda hoping in a world that had the resi remakes, last of us would finally be revealed as being wholly redundant. the venier has peeled somewhat, but Its still one of the most shilled IPs out there. People bending over backwards to justify a 70 dollar remake of a game thats not even 10 years old just doesnt happen naturally.

Hospital shootout and you used "Ozar Midrashim" from Legacy of Kain. I was literally listening to this song on a loop an hour before watching this. Dude. First you completely reignite my love of Berserk. Then you reflect every one of my thoughts on the Last of Us. And send off on Legacy of Kain music. Our tastes are aligned, Good Sir. Bravo on every level.

Supposedly they're changing Joel's death in season two rumor is Pascal got pissed at the original plans and threatened to walk if they didn't still that's all here say no idea if it's true

I'm so glad you mentioned the Kathleen not fitting her role part. It really seemed like a Karen just inherited the title of "leader" and but at the same time she doesn't give off the body language as someone who should be respected yet her authority is absolute. Like everything about her is just fucked in every way shape and form.

Ep 4. Surprised Ellie didn't shoot joel when the rifle was being used to crush his throat. There's a reason you are taught to watch your backdrop. Bullets can go straight through people. Bullets can also deflect off bones and do other crazy unpredictable things too

They did Tess so damn dirty in this too, that was one of my biggest issues. The whole, Tess is kind of pathetic type stuff tbh.

What they did go Bill feels so backwards, in the game he was a fleshed out character, with him being gay only being a part of who he is which didn't impact his story. Meanwhile the show decided to make his sexuallity the focus point of his episode while scrapping everything else, essentially reducing him down to what he is rather than who he is.

My biggest takeaway from this is that there was a live-action adaptation of I Am a Hero

Retcons and character assassinations = trash show made just to justify the shitty choices made in the last of us 2

8:20 And don't you know, it's a beautifull new day, hey hey. Pour one out for Fat Geralt

The problem with Joel's conversation with Tommy is that he presents practical reasons with emotional backing to justify his inability to protect Ellie, which not only runs in contrast to his cold "I ain't your dad" line to Ellie, but it's also completely forgotten about when he does decide to continue his journey.

Bill standing out in the middle of the street to shoot raiders literally reminded me of that CalebCity skit "When the writers REALLY want to write off a character". Zombies: (trying and failing to open the door) We can't get in. Caleb 1: Man, they can't even get in! Come on! (gestures to the back door) Caleb 2: *Then I'll go out there!*

1:08:51 why gag yourself here? you already mentioned that this is made by sheltered californians out of touch with reality, it's not just reddit bait (stealing that btw), but it's a statement of the writer(s) beliefs. the same goes for all the changes made to casting and relationships solely to tick an extra box, the show is constantly and irritatingly signaling its ideology to you and trying to hammer you with it.

Yeah that "communist" line is still pretty cringe and these coastal writers really at the end of the day have no idea how reality works.

children of men is defintely worth a watch. that long take shot at the end is absolutely amazing. also i'm glad i never bothered with last of us part 2.

Is anyone else's audio heavily skewed to the left? Loli, there might be a problem.

I guess i cant speak for gay folks, but as a mexican, AuDHD, Bisexual i can say with pretty hefty confidence that "representation" doesnt mean being put on a fucking pedestal. You can make a character with flaws. Likely most will feel even more "represented" when it feels like a real character and not an empty ass token nod. Anyone who throws a fit either 1) doesnt give a shit about the series/medium and 2) Spends 80% of their day hunting down comments in social media to be mad at.😂

Ill say it just in case, but I don't like Tess' death in the show. In the games, the government kills Joel's daughter. Fedra, the remnants of the government, kill Tess. You see, the government kills the people in Joels life. So its ironic when the fire flies, an anti-GOVERNMENT group, tries to kill Ellie. So yeah, thats why I don't like Tess' death in the show.

1:08:11 "Do you give a shit about me or not?" "Of course I do." This is also a change that fundamentally alters the scene. Joel is pawning Ellie off on Tommy specifically _because_ he does not want to care about her in the game. Hence his "Tommy, I NEED this" during their conversation. This is what Ellie figures out while they're talking. She sees right through Joel. That's where the "I'm not her, you know." line comes from. In the show, it just doesn't fit.

I mean, really, as soon as Eli's mother was bitten and gave birth right then and there, Eli wouldn't have been immune to shit. Especially if Eli's mother wasn't.

I have no idea, despite not watching the series but as a relative pretty decent fan of TLOU1 (never played 2), why they changed and adapted it, to its detriment so, _so much._ The strength of TLOU is in its intensely restrictive POV and atmospheric storytelling with strong deuteragonist leads. I am not surprised the budget was an issue when they unnecessarily tried to broaden the scope, or expository about XYZ, _SO FUCKING MUCH._ So much, is not needed. They direly needed some amount of subtlety, restriction on the scope of what they were trying to convey, and foster further understanding of what makes TLOU work within its original medium. And more than alot of games, its not much of s stretch to adapt pretty 1:1 where possible. I am definitely NOT arguing it needed to include gameplay elements down to a T, but so much was wasted by changing and broadening the scale and scope when it wasn't needed to be effective; if anything it hurt the show immensely. Sure most of but the biggest combat sequences can be nixed, but still: a distinct lack of attention to detail and thematic storytelling.. of *THE FUCKING LAST OF US* is pretty pathetic. It's not exactly what I think of as a top tier piece of fiction, but I guess now in comparison, its still 2 standard deviations above most. The show.. not so much. Pretty big bag fumble here. Druck'd/10. PS: the brutality and weaponry/scaving focus the game puts should've had more emphasis in the show. The fact that no one gets bricked, slowly choked out after human shielding as a set piece, etc.. is a fucking crime to how good the combat can be in the game at its best.

The biggest thing that I absolutely fucking hate about this franchise is that the first game was ambiguous when it concerned Joel's morality, you were meant to come to your own conclusions on him, only for literally every single piece of media afterwards to 100% definitively take the side of Joel being in the wrong and to a point kind of demonizing him. Neil Druckmann is not without talent, but holy shit he really should not be left to write stories alone.

What is worse...to be bad yet memorable, or to be mid? Serve in Heaven or rule in Hell.

This is most fair shake of the show I've seen that doesn't lean into their own bias. Thanks for this. I got tired of youtube only recommending videos praising this show. Your criticism was a fun watch.

Joel had to kill the guy who ambushed them. It was as much a mercury kill as anything else. It would of been a dick move to leave someone who was shot in the back to die slowly.

Druckman firing Henning from last of us 2 for criticizing his story is really funny when you remember Amy’s work as a lead writer for 3 of the 5 Legacy of Kain games. I heard the song loli. Sneak harder next time.

This is gonna get a moan and groan from people here, but I think NARUTO does the Cycle of Vengeance a little better than what Neil was going for. It was one of the central themes in that series, too.

Now all thats left is the long awaited Wolfenstein II video!

Goodshit dude I would donate but I don't have a job anymore. As a show of appreciation for your content I'm going to shove The Last of Us 2 up my ass.

So I should mention the point of the Left Behind DLC perspective shifts is to show that Ellie does understand loss and like she says everyone around her dies. And she’s desperate not to lose Joel, so when she’s in a frozen mall trying to save her new friend she remembers how she failed to save an old one. The scene in the helicopter where she grabs the medical supplies and says, “I’m not letting you go.” Says it all.

Overall an amazing review that really captures my feelings exactly about this show, nice to have that satisfaction from knowing that i'm not alone in thinking like this. My one nitpick was that all of those "but i'll get to that later" in the early parts were a bit intrusive and beyond the first few really didn't seem necessary, the info you gave in those was fine but constantly alluding to that one future section got kinda distracting lol. Just a nitpick though overall good shit as always.

Honestly, I might go check out episodes 8 and 9 if they’re as good as you say, AlmightyLoli, so thanks for that. And thanks for the in-depth analysis about whether Joel was right or not, especially the bit about Ellie being nothing more than a political tool for Marlene who’s delusional enough to think the world will go back to the old days so long as someone holds up a syringe containing the cure for everyone to see.

Yes! THANK YOU!!! This show is WAAAAY too beloved for what it is! Basically a poor man's Walking Dead. Nearly every charachter is dead in 1.5 episodes. I don't care how good the acting is if they are gone immediately.

I think the show is deliberately trying to demystify the virus to try to make the cure seem more plausible. Because otherwise too many people would brush aside the cure as being a pipe dream. It still is, but you know. Bonus points if that asian scientist from the flashback turns up again.

Only 10 seconds in already terrible 0/10

HBO Ellie looks like a little Louis C.K , tell me I'm wrong.

In the middle of rewatching the Berserk mega video this drops. LETS FUCKING GO

Ellie became the cure, the same way Blade became the Daywalker

Yeah, Children of Men is a fucking masterpiece

My big problem was that they either cut entirely or butchered the action scenes. Like they add to why we care about ellu in the game. She helps and saves us. Also finds us ammo and shit. She grows on us through out gameplay and i think they didnt even really try to show how they became a horrifying unstoppable duo by the end of the game.

I hope the writer for the show ignores Neil's last of us 2 story and says that its dumb and doesn't make sense i think neil should give back all the awards he brought 😂

2:30 That was actually the video where I found your channel, and glad I did. Really enjoy your content/shitposting.

You forgot an inspiration to the book Blood Meridian. In the issue of violence and travel in various places, admiring nature and environment.

I don't know why, but I like how the PS3/4 version of the game looks more than the remake. It's slightly stylized to where it almost looks like the character models were referenced from a Kirkman or Ennis comic. [Namely TWD and Crossed]

Honestly I never knew that Neil Druckmann was the reason why uncharted 4 Writing fell off, just another reason to hate Neil Cuckman.😑🐱

So if Marlene was already at the firefly camp why did she have Joel deliver Ellie?

I really want Part II to follow the game as closely as possible, with hardly anything new or rearranged. The HBO series is a completely fresh slate to see the opinions of people who haven't been exposed to the games. I know I shouldn't want to see something fail, but just picturing the responses of Naughty Dog writers when the second season gets flamed, by people who weren't even aware of its shortcomings going into it, is enough to make me drool. Alas, the snobs and contrarians who will herald it as a masterpiece will probably be enough to make executives pat themselves on the backs and ignore genuine criticism.

I’d like it if you talked about Spec-Ops again. That would be pretty cool.

You know it’s gonna be a banger video when it’s over an hour long great video 👍🏼

A coworker of mine told me that the Bill and Frank episode made him cry. I had to restrain myself from laughing in his face.

8:12 as soon as I saw those images, ELO's "Mr. Blue Sky" IMMEDIATELY started playing in my head. So thanks for that.

Thank you for this. I was hesitant on watching this since I knew it was going to follow the story beats from Part 1, without anything new. The only 'new' thing was David's perspective from episode 8. I was hoping to see more of that. The writing or narrative of certain things, like Ellie sleeping in the same room as the infected Sam was stupid, among others. The retconning of how the infected work, I think, shattered Druckmann's cred as a storyteller. He and Mazin deserve the flack. If they're going to do the same thing for season 2, I just hope they learned from their mistakes.