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The Legendary Weatherby Mark V and the Weatherby/Howa Vanguard

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USOG

USOG

6 жыл бұрын

Briefing on two well known and great rifles with a view to how they are quite different and yet share some similarities.
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@DOC-Jake-
@DOC-Jake- 3 жыл бұрын
I have a mark v. In 270 win I got 21 years ago from my wife as a wedding gift !! Also a vanguard as a b day gift 300 win mag . Both shoot great ,my 270 does have tighter groups .. 💕 my wife is not up for sale ,😂 she has always got me #1 hunting equip ! my hunting dog is staying too. I am a lucky man ! Weatherby makes a great rifle !
@oreopuppydawg1564
@oreopuppydawg1564 2 жыл бұрын
Does she have any sisters?😀
@michaelk196
@michaelk196 5 жыл бұрын
On both guns, the bolts and actions are 1-piece forgings and one the main reasons I bought a Vanguard last year. One of the few gun makes on the market with this rare feature. Look it up, and you'll see. Great video, keep up the informative work.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael. I wasn't sure. Now I know these are an even more unbelievable value than I thought. BTW...the Mini in Grendal is an accuracy revelation. Incredible. Thanks for writing.
@josephgomes8543
@josephgomes8543 3 жыл бұрын
When I bought my Vanguard in 2007 it was a tad under $400 (US) and shot well out of the box. I installed aluminum pillars and have probably put over a thousands rounds through it and have no complaints other than it gets heavier as I get older. Haha.
@billybobsnorton9196
@billybobsnorton9196 3 жыл бұрын
Hello and thanks for sharing your amazing gun collection with us. I own both a MKV and a Vanguard. I found the history of all the cartridges and rifles produced by Weatherby. The Vanguard started out with Roy acquiring the rights to the Sako MDL 60, I think. Originally, Roy had an American contractor, for the production of the Vanguard. He found that this contractor couldn't cut it. Somehow, he found his way to Howa. WBY and Howa had made changes to the Sako design, anticipating the expiration of their rights to produce this design. The Sako design had a third locking lug in the rear of the bolt. This was removed. There were enough changes made to the design to endure Sako's litigation. The Sako design was, after the MKV action, considered to be the state of the art in push feed designs. Sako was losing money on this design. They then came up with designs that were much cheaper to produce and were much lighter. The original design was not drilled out bar stock, with a washered recoil lug. The receiver on the Sako/Vanguard design was machined from a solid forged billet. This included machining an integral recoil lug. The newer designs, such as Tikka, MDL 700, post '64 MDL 70s, were all receivers drilled from bar stock. Their recoil lugs were washers. The bolt on the Vanguard is machined from a forged billet, handle and all. Not so with the bolts on most others which are not solid but can be braised, pinned or fused. Not solid. I own Weatherby's and consider them considerably more solid than their competitors. They have to be to stand up to the pressure of the powder capacity of Weatherby cartridges. I also own a Cooper MDL 22, 6.5x284Norma. I would love to see more content featuring Cooper rifles.
@MrThomass281
@MrThomass281 4 жыл бұрын
I have owned 2 Vanguard rifles and loved them. Sold the 308 to a friend for his 1st hunting rifle. Still have a 270 and it is very accurate for my needs. Also really like the vented bolt.
@LeftThumbBreak
@LeftThumbBreak 6 жыл бұрын
Congrat's to Weatherby on moving to Wyoming. The Mark V lugs are almost like an interrupted thread, like on a Barrett 99. I appreciate the uniqueness and I think it's great they stuck to this action instead of falling back on convention. For sure they seem to be one of the strongest and safest out there. As always thanks for the video. Your channel is also unique.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
The Mark V is undoubtedly strong and the rifles have that panache to them - the Cadillac of US rifles.
@jonybgoode1
@jonybgoode1 5 жыл бұрын
as usual,very good breakdown between them...the one BIG point,i wish you had addressed was the mark v has a much shorter bolt throw...54 degrees,vs the typical 90 degree on the vanguard..the reason being,with the mark v ,those nine small lugs,arranged the way they are,enable the bolt to go thru a much smaller arch,which gives you a much faster follow up shot,plus,...with such a short bolt throw,the bolt handle itself,makes scope clearance a non-issue...
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Very important point - sorry I got lost talking. I should get a Mark V and do another video - I have not covered them very well. Thanks for the correction.
@swkohnle08
@swkohnle08 6 жыл бұрын
I had a family friend who had several Weatherby Rifles in the 7mm Weatherby Magnum who was an avid Grizzly Bear hunter. This was back in the 1970’s and he has since pasted on but I remember these to be beautifully made rifles and he spared no expense to buy them and hunt in BC and Alaska.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen, Sounds like your friend had a good life - hunting anyway. A Weatherby is never a mistake. People like to argue about what caliber goes with what game. I always say - shoot straight and true and the result will be there.
@slipshankd1307
@slipshankd1307 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 270 win. Weatherby Vanguard and I love it. Shoots very smooth and almost no kick. I had a Remington 270 that would knock your shoulder off.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
That's a very fine combo - the .270 in Vanguard. Hard to beat.
@duggydo
@duggydo 6 жыл бұрын
+USOG thanks for doing the comparison. I appreciate it. I recently discovered that an acquaintance has a Mark V in 30-378 that he has taken several elk and deer with Nevada, Utah and Montana. He swears by Weatherby and has the trophies to back it up. Hopefully their company is around for many years to come since they relocated to Wyoming. Thanks again!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! Great rifles. The review makes me want one of their Safari models. I'll keep an eye out. They should be around for decades to come; an icon of the great US of A. Good shooting!
@duggydo
@duggydo 6 жыл бұрын
USOG by the way, duggydo is a nickname I had as a kid that comes from Scoobydo the cartoon. I now realize it kind of sounds like something else that dogs “do” ha ha ha! If you get that safari model, please review it for us. Thanks
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
I like the nickname - I'm probably too cautious.
@thomaslloyd8306
@thomaslloyd8306 5 жыл бұрын
These videos that you produce are EXCELLENT!!! Very informative. I learn something new everytime I watch. Thanks for taking the time to produce and share these. Best wishes! Tommy Lloyd :)
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas! I'm so glad my work is helpful and tolerable to watch. : )
@Journeyman-Fixit
@Journeyman-Fixit 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, I learned quite a bit from it.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome.
@dave-oh3549
@dave-oh3549 5 жыл бұрын
What a great review. So much knowledge and expertise. Thanks for sharing. Subscribed!
@trackskid
@trackskid 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that! My wife shoots a howa 1500 and I just got a Weatherby- we shoot the centerfire silhouette in 6.5 Creedmoor. Really cool to see how close the budget and premium are.
@markhansen8078
@markhansen8078 2 жыл бұрын
I have two of the Vanguards. One in 308 and another in 270. They are both outstanding rifles. The 308 has the walnut sporter stock with rosewood end cap. It is a beautiful rifle. I tend to use the 270 since it is a synthetic stock and is a working man's rifle. The accuracy is simply phenomenal.
@BoogiemanMoto
@BoogiemanMoto 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. One important fact on the differences between the two IMO, the Mark V action allows for a ridiculously short 54 degree bolt throw. Whereas the Vanguard is a traditional 90 degree throw. I personally value that short throw very high because it allows for faster cycling in general as well as faster follow up shots and completely mitigates any issues that might arise with with scope clearance.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Very good points Asah. The short throw is a real benefit - thanks for highlighting.
@joakimbengtsson8094
@joakimbengtsson8094 6 жыл бұрын
Does any of you gentlemen know if there is more force needed to cock the rifle when the bolt throw is 54 vs 90 degrees?
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
More force is needed for the shallower lift assuming cam surfaces are the same.
@Nick-wn1xw
@Nick-wn1xw 6 жыл бұрын
Yes there is and there is almost ZERO camming power to it as well.
@llamawizard
@llamawizard Жыл бұрын
This is literally one of the best videos I’ve ever seen on KZfaq. Excellent material.
@christopherhennigan9834
@christopherhennigan9834 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and comparison between the two rifles. I was on the fence about purchasing the Vanguard, but your informative video gave me the confidence to pull the trigger and get one. Thank you.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Christopher - glad the video helped a bit. You'll like the Vanguard - there really are few, if any, better rifles out there. The prices can be higher and that's about it. I took my .240 Vanguard to the range recently - as usual - out of this world accuracy.
@killiansred100
@killiansred100 3 жыл бұрын
I bought my dream rifle from more youthful days the Mark V. Purchased at a gun show over 30 years ago, of course it had to be made in Germany. Got the .300 weatherby magnum. Enjoyed shooting it and will be in my safe till I die. Great looking and shooting.
@expertadvice4u
@expertadvice4u 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative. One of your best.
@chasrmartel4777
@chasrmartel4777 5 жыл бұрын
I have two Vanguards. One is a deluxe wood stocked model in 270 WSM and the other synthetic in 257 Weatherby. They both shoot exceptionally well. I would agree they are among the best value for money options today.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
You have 2 of the best. I've seen some spectacular shots made with the 257 at remarkable distances.
@wcho300
@wcho300 6 жыл бұрын
What a great comparison review. I've always loved Weatherbys and have several mark V and vanguards. But Since Weatherbys updated their vanguard lines to the series 2 model couple years back, it has seen more hunting days than my mark v's. It's an exceptional value and I agree it's the best value out there. You get alot of gun for the money and superb accuracy out of the box. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support and for watching. I have another Vanguard in .243 that thinks it is a target rifle; yet it is a hunting weight sporter. Amazing accuracy.
@rodneyhickman825
@rodneyhickman825 5 жыл бұрын
I think the howa 1500 is the vanguard with a better trigger
@carlweiderick
@carlweiderick 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, very informative. I had wondered about the differences. I concur, the Vanguard is an exceptional value, a great rifle and a 'real' Weatherby.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
So glad you like the video and the rifles!
@VitoBb1978
@VitoBb1978 3 жыл бұрын
I bought my Vanguard Series 1 back in the early 2000’s in 7MM Rem Mag. That was the best investment that I made. No matter if I feed it factory ammunition or my hand loads, it eats em all, it has produced groups smaller than a dime.
@rcruz003
@rcruz003 9 ай бұрын
Just bought 2 Vanguards, one in 257 Weatherby mag and other in 300 weatherby mag. Both shoot excellent Great video , very informative Thanks
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 9 ай бұрын
You're ready for just about anything - at almost any reasonable range
@mmarciniak
@mmarciniak 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video format. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael.
@Stigstigster
@Stigstigster 6 жыл бұрын
Great information and honest opinions, as always. There's that eye for quality again.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that I'm on track and thanks for your kindness.
@dpwhitaker7088
@dpwhitaker7088 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I bought a Vanguard in 2506 after I saw your comparison. Accuracy is good and the 2 stage trigger is fantastic!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo - Great rifle and excellent cal. choice!
@michaelk196
@michaelk196 5 жыл бұрын
I believe both bolts are single piece forgings, which is a rare thing nowadays. Sako's 85 is the only other brand I know of that is still using forged bolts.
@calicojack556
@calicojack556 3 жыл бұрын
Another enjoyable and informative video. Thanks!
@vinnyc5300
@vinnyc5300 6 жыл бұрын
Nice job - as a huge Weatherby fan, in NY no less, I appreciated your comparison. Owning both a Mark V Deluxe in .300 WBG Mag and a .243 WIN Wby Vanguard, one other difference between them will be barrel length. 26 inches for the Mark V. But overall, if you can even find a gently used one, I highly recommend Weatherby. Especially the deluxe claro walnut from a traditional point of view. Roy Weatherby got it right with fast flat shooting cartridges. My Mark V was built in the USA Atascadero CA when they brought everything back to the USA with the exception of the Vanguard.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
You have a very, very fine rifle - and in .300 it is just about a universal rifle - and if you hand load - nothing it can't do in that cal. The .243 Vanguard - I have one - so pleasant to shoot and use; and accurate - it is a gem.
@johninphx9360
@johninphx9360 5 жыл бұрын
Great video , Thank you!
@ryanehlis426
@ryanehlis426 4 жыл бұрын
Howa is a good rifle for the price. My first rifle is a Mosberg 1500 I got 26 years ago. My understanding is that was the name Howa was sold under than. With hand loads I get sub moa groups, it is .243 and I have killed many deer with that rifle. Only thing I did was float the bbl and adjust the trigger to 3 pounds. Also any long action rifle in 30-06, 270 ect you can re bbl for .240 wby mag. If a person wants that caliber. .240 wby mag is an amazing long range medium size game rifle caliber.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Neat that you know the .240 - I find it one of the best of all for deer. Can be about a .243 if one reloads and wants that.
@freddywarren69
@freddywarren69 5 жыл бұрын
One of your most informative posts yet. Thanks. Now I understand why a MkV is expensive. Maybe do a comparison between the original Sako Finn Bear and the Howa 1500 as the Finn Bear was the original model it was based on.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Freddy - no wonder the Howa is so excellent - just a superb rifle.
@rutherfordshackleford9677
@rutherfordshackleford9677 6 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of comparing rifles to their big brothers so to speak. I know you have touched on the ruger American rifle as compared to the 77 but I'd love to see you compare it and it's younger brother the ruger American ranch rifle, preferably the one in 7.62x39 which I think is a pretty slick bit of kit since it takes mini 30 box magazines. Thanks as always for the fantastic content!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rutherford - good idea!
@Southernguitar74
@Southernguitar74 5 жыл бұрын
I will be acquiring a new Vanguard Deluxe Sporter in .270 this weekend. It is the gloss wood and polished blue steel model that was made exclusively for Wal-Mart a while back. It is an exceptionally beautiful rifle, and an amazing value for the overall quality. A friend purchased the rifle for $349 when Wal-Mart had them on clearance and is now going to sell it to me for the same price, which I will gladly pay! These particular models were around $700 originally, and the prices were cut in half for the clearance. Amazing...I thought they were priced well at $700...LOL...I feel like I am getting a lifetime type of rifle for peanuts, and most assuredly I am...I can't wait to scope it and shoot it! Excellent comparison here, sir. Thanks so much
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing deal - amazing rifle! Vanguard Deluxe is superb - great call!
@Southernguitar74
@Southernguitar74 5 жыл бұрын
It will be my first Weatherby...Or Howa. Either way, I like quality, and Howa makes very high quality products. I've owned quite a few Japanese made rifles and quality has never been skimped on in any way. Take Browning, for instance. I understand the Belgium made guns are more collectible, and more desirable by some, and I understand why, but I have never found one single slip in terms of quality from the later Japanese makes. They are excellent.
@sooner5484
@sooner5484 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, trying to decide between the Vanguard/Howa and The Rugar , CZ 1500 and Mossberg 1500. Now that I'm left with a few thousand rounds of 762x39 after the semi auto gun grab here in New Zealand. Found your detailed discussions on rifles and shot guns really helpful. The Saiga had to go too :( Appreciate you Vid's. Cheers.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hi - of those - the Howa mini is the charm.
@vincef5832
@vincef5832 4 жыл бұрын
Another good video Mike-Thanks.
@dadsafrantic
@dadsafrantic 6 жыл бұрын
very nice comparison. i have a howa 243 with a pretty basic nikon 2fp scope and get consistent 1/2 inch groups. weatherby was smart to use howa.
@MyMurphycom
@MyMurphycom 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I’m planning to purchase one of these rifles and was wondering the difference. The weatherby website does not do a good comparison and this is perfect.
@briangard951
@briangard951 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent review now I know the difference - thanks.
@linds6609
@linds6609 4 жыл бұрын
Subbed after this video. I like that you are not snobbish about brand and review on the basis of workmanship regardless of the name behind it or where its made. On this basis I'm reluctant to pay more for a rifle just because the brand has more recognition. The country that I'm in you would pay double for a Tikka T3 vs a Howa 1500 both with plastic stocks yet the price is only higher because of the Tikka brand.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you - I think the Howa is not second to the Tikka - I prefer the Howa.
@linds6609
@linds6609 4 жыл бұрын
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I think a lot if the complaints I've heard around the Howa is about the flexibility in the front of the Hogue overmoald stock. It costs about $550 for a Howa 308 varmint 20' Barrel. A Tikka T3X varmint in 308 costs round about $1200 in my country but theres a stigma around Howa rifles for some reason as if its inferior. On that, what do you think about the 20' Barrel in 308 and is fluted or not fluted a factor to consider in such a short barrel.
@michaelhull63
@michaelhull63 Жыл бұрын
Great job comparing the two I went with the Vanguard the differences isn't worth the extra money in my opinion if I'm not mistaken I think my model 700 Remington has the two lug design also its work very well so I'm not worried by a two lug bolt
@papatriots3529
@papatriots3529 4 жыл бұрын
I bought my weatherby/howa in 3006 with a muzzle brake AWSOME shooter nice recoil with 180gr 1in groups at 100yds best 250 bucks i ever spent . Thought i was buying a beater rifle but i treat it like my best!
@30-06
@30-06 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have Weatherby vanguard s2 made by Howa @ .270 stainless barrel and it shoots like a dream! Now I’m thinking of buying Howa1500: barrel and machine and slap it onto a handmade stock
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Great plan YK - for awhile I just couldn't wait to make another stock and then I ran out of time : (
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 3 жыл бұрын
Big help. Thank you a bundle.
@CanadaTrapper1
@CanadaTrapper1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comparison!
@dougharlow6037
@dougharlow6037 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great informative review.
@oreopuppydawg1564
@oreopuppydawg1564 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@youcanthandlethetruth6976
@youcanthandlethetruth6976 2 жыл бұрын
USOG is one of the greatest channels on KZfaq. Can't believe how much I learn through his videos. So thankful that his videos are on KZfaq. Definitely gave the thumbs up, everyone don't forget to thumbs up his videos.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert - your words encourage me so much!
@youcanthandlethetruth6976
@youcanthandlethetruth6976 2 жыл бұрын
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Right before you put this video up about the Mark V and Vanguard, I was already thinking about what the differences are and is it worth it to purchase the vanguard, and then suddenly I saw your video pop up, it was the perfect video at the perfect time. I love the .30-06 so the 300 WBYMAG was the natural choice to go faster in the .308. Thanks for all your videos bud, really appreciate them.
@lawrencenabozniak3498
@lawrencenabozniak3498 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Excellent commentary. I own a Weatherby Vanguard and if I have one very minor complaint it's the fact that for my hand, the fore end is rather slim. I personally like a beefier forestock.
@danstevens2204
@danstevens2204 4 жыл бұрын
Howa certainly does make the barreled actions. I’ve owned vanguard in .223 and s2 in .308 both exceptional shooters
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan - So much accuracy per dollar with the Howa - amazing rifles and actions.
@edwardwells5864
@edwardwells5864 3 жыл бұрын
For years Howa made Weatherby Rifles and SKB made their shotguns and the Japanese are perfectionist for the most part and make a high quality product when it comes to fit and finish. I wished I would have bought more of them when I was in Japan and brought them back in my house hold goods when I PCSed! All their guns back then came with a proof target to back up the accuracy claims.
@edwardwells5864
@edwardwells5864 3 жыл бұрын
My Miroku is a perfect knock off of the Browning Citori only with better fit and finish. The same with my SKB O/U that is a near Anthena Grade V...just a lot less price wise. Howa and both the other companies were licensed by Weatherby/Browning to make their guns!
@avocado9763
@avocado9763 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation.
@corporateworldwokeslave3589
@corporateworldwokeslave3589 6 жыл бұрын
Howa makes the vanguard , i love howas
@wrigman
@wrigman 4 жыл бұрын
The Vanguard IS made by Howa, to Weatherby specs, so it IS an entry level Weatherby...
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610
@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review 👏
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@candelariosanchez273
@candelariosanchez273 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@weakbrainthrombosis
@weakbrainthrombosis 3 жыл бұрын
The vanguard lugs appear to be similar to a Remington 700. This is a really good video.
@gregwalker4236
@gregwalker4236 4 жыл бұрын
i think you are spot on with the vanguard being a great value ( as is the howa). it has been made for a long long time and having several can't find fault. i have a couple of mark v's in .257 wby and .300 wby bought new or like new for about what a new vanguard costs now--nice but not colt sauer quality (expanding rear lug bolt).....
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
I agree Greg - I actually don't know how they make the Vanguard for the price they do - an unbelievable value.
@markhansen3111
@markhansen3111 11 ай бұрын
I own 2 Vanguard rifles and like both of them. One is in 270 and the other in 308, I totally agree with you concerning the vanguard line. They are probably the best bang for the buck in a center fire rifle.
@JonDoe-dt9uz
@JonDoe-dt9uz 6 жыл бұрын
Both the bolt on the Mark V and The Vanguard are 1 piece forged bolts The actions on both are also forged not cast like savage,Remington,tikka
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure - but I know the Vanguard is an amazing value. My 6.5 Creedmoor is one of my most accurate rifles ever.
@JonDoe-dt9uz
@JonDoe-dt9uz 6 жыл бұрын
USOG Ya the Vanguard is one of the most amazing values out right now.
@joystickricksherrell774
@joystickricksherrell774 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for what you are doing
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Most welcome Rick
@e.nichols5380
@e.nichols5380 Жыл бұрын
Just ordered a vanguard sporter in .243, can’t wait to pick it up.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns Жыл бұрын
You'll like that rifle! Congrats on the purchase!
@BloodiedYetUnbowed
@BloodiedYetUnbowed 5 жыл бұрын
I like the Mark V but have little use for a Weatherby magnum. It would be kind of weird to have a Mark V in a 30-06 (which is a chamber offering for the Mark V). The Vanguard looks like a pretty sweet rifle as well.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
I like those words : "pretty sweet" - that they are. Very fine, very accurate and well priced; how can one miss buying one : )
@BloodiedYetUnbowed
@BloodiedYetUnbowed 5 жыл бұрын
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns haha thanks, I try keep my language "hip"
@robertspath6928
@robertspath6928 5 жыл бұрын
I believe the Vanguard action is the old Sako L461 design.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, I can see what you mean; both great actions and rifles.
@jaredbrockwayable
@jaredbrockwayable Жыл бұрын
I paid $380 for my Vanguard chambered in .308 in February 2020. Great shooting rifle, wouldn't trade it for anything!!
@larrybassett5559
@larrybassett5559 2 жыл бұрын
I have examples of each and they are both very good. The Mark V bolt is indeed one solid piece, very strong 💪.
@robinj.9329
@robinj.9329 Жыл бұрын
As I recall, the Vanguard is also one of the few rifles with a 24 inch barrel, in this price range. I'm looking for one chambered for the 30-06. If I can find a good one, mount a great scope and "fine tune" my hand loads, I'll be very, very happy!!!!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns Жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with the Vanguard - excellent remarkably affordable
@imafreakinhistorian2169
@imafreakinhistorian2169 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@westyaus5090
@westyaus5090 3 жыл бұрын
In this video you mentioned bedding around the recoil lug and it made me interested to know your thoughts on bedding?
@travisrains3659
@travisrains3659 6 жыл бұрын
Shoot a vanguard recently. Very very ACCURATE RIFLE. 30-06 nice wood and metal finish.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
Remarkable aren't they. I have not found or heard of a bad one yet. High praise.
@gregwalker4236
@gregwalker4236 4 жыл бұрын
there is something special about weatherby for me and it is the beautiful furniture that is available on the deluxe models. a monte carlo stock fits me better. a 257 deluxe and 300 wby weather mark V languish in my safe as well as numerous vanguards in 30 cals and 7mm mag. i like the trigger better on the vanguard over the mark v. my mark v's are a little rubbery and less predictable, but certainly acceptable. although not sanctioned, i ran 7mm mag brass thru the sizing die and shot these without fail thru my 257--for others mileage may vary!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
I like the "mileage may vary" - well put.
@Mr.BrushCutter
@Mr.BrushCutter Жыл бұрын
Hey @USOG , can you explain to me the 3 holes in the side of the bolt? If my thinking is correct it is for if you blow out a primer or over pressure the gasses vent out the side? My grandpa has a 300 weatherby and he says gasses come out everytime , too me this doesnt sound right but maybe someone can educate me? Thanks
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns Жыл бұрын
Hi Wapiti - You're right - those are gas relief ports. I suppose gas might come out of those ports without a primer or other failure - I never checked or even thought of that. Maybe put some masking tape over the holes and fire a round to see what's what.
@39MercFlathead
@39MercFlathead 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 Howa 1500s both in .270 Win. I bought the 1st in 1989. It was marketed as a Mossberg 1500 in 1987 and was still on the dealer's shelf. The trigger was horrible and I replaced it with a Timney, which is fantastic. My oldest son shot his first elk with it at a measured 475 yards! I've since cut the stock down and put on a recoil pad for the grandkids. The second I bought as the least expensive Weatherby Vanguard in 2016 and replaced the stock with an aluminum bedded Bell and Carlson with a 14.25 inch length of pull to fit me better. The trigger on the new one is very good, not Timney good, but so good I haven't replaced it. I put a Leupold VariX III that I had in the safe on it. The total cost for a rifle that finally fits me and is a dream to shoot was well under $800. I still have the original Weatherby composite stock. This was a piece of cake and I am a poor craftsman.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant rifle buying!
@normanmallory2055
@normanmallory2055 4 жыл бұрын
I hunt with two fellows who have rifles made by Howa both shoot very well with tight groups. The newest ctg around 5 years ago to show up at the range was the .338 LaPua oh my that shoots flat and I watched two fellows shoot excellent groups @400 yards.. Now I'm not taking away from LaPua or Norma quality in their brass and bullets but it's 4-5 times more money then domestic made brass. Yes I do use LaPua brass myself and have now for 11 years and yes it's of very good quality.. A hunter I know bought a very nice Mauser 98 in 300 H&H the only brass I could locate was Norma @$180.00 per hundred.. Wow he didn't know before he bought the rifle..I have a friend who bought a new Vanguard rifle, first group I fired at the range with factory 7mm mag was 3/4 " group , it would shoot..In my opinion after owning a Weatherby V in .224 for years , yes it still turns heads when people see it. Just what I wanted so I spent more money for it but have been very happy with it. Great video
@stratospaschaloudis8302
@stratospaschaloudis8302 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike! Question, the Mark V stock is made from higher quality material (I think a composite maybe fiberglass) , in your mind how important is that in the quality of a rifle (accuracy/strength) price pt (I don't hear you talk much about the stock material - just wondering if you have preference other then wood). For my education, I would like to see a video on stock materials (advantages /disadvantages etc.). Thanks again!
@danielboggan2479
@danielboggan2479 4 жыл бұрын
The Mark5 is more accurate most likely. 90% of shooters will never notice though as the vanguard out shoots the super majority of shooters.
@hewlett260
@hewlett260 4 жыл бұрын
That stock is made by Bell&Carlsen they are also available for the Vanguard/Howa. The Howa is the more accurate action. I have owned both.
@user-oh2xs9wj9f
@user-oh2xs9wj9f 2 ай бұрын
I totally agree, I hunt with a 1500 7.62x39 in New Zealand and the zip from the bolt is annoying but my 700 308 was the same but eventually smoothed out
@duke1386
@duke1386 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos.
@markw6265
@markw6265 4 жыл бұрын
The vanguard bolt / handle is one piece. Bolt and receiver are forged steel. The alum bedding block stock comes standard on the more expensive models. Also like the Sako style extractor. Have an older RC in 300 Wby.... great rifle.
@ericb.4358
@ericb.4358 4 жыл бұрын
THE Weatherby Mark V to own is the Weatherby Backcountry in the new 6.5 Wby. RPM cartridge. If you get the titanium action (fluted steel bolt) it will come in around 5 pounds or a bit less which is VERY light for a long action mountain rifle. My 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro with fluted barrel and bolt and carbon fiber stock STILL weighs in at 6 lbs. 3 oz.
@davidking6663
@davidking6663 3 жыл бұрын
When Walmart decided to stop selling Vanguard rifles I bought everyone in 4 stores for under $200/each and sold all but 4. Each one that I kept I put a weaver 40/44 scopes and all shoot sub moa with the cheapest ammo of each caliber and 3 of the 4 rifles shoot less than .7moa. I’ve since bought a vanguard in 243 that will also shoot less than .7moa and is a great rifle. I’d love a Mark V one day for sure.
@dominicohea5624
@dominicohea5624 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your verdict. I think. Your. Right.
@pseudopetrus
@pseudopetrus 4 жыл бұрын
I have hear high praise for the Howa action.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
I know you know guns! I agree. One of the best out there and the best value.
@henryvandervort9891
@henryvandervort9891 5 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between series 1 and 2 308 vanguard thanks for your excellent detail
@Nick-wn1xw
@Nick-wn1xw 4 жыл бұрын
A much better 2-stage trigger, upgraded stock and a three position safety.
@scotteger6271
@scotteger6271 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that’s nice about getting the Vanguard over a similar Howa 1500 is the ability to get the Weatherby magnum calibers, like yours in 240 Weatherby. I’ve been tempted by the 240 and the 257, but the factory ammo was always so much more than other options…nowadays that’s not as much of a difference so I might just have to find one and try it out. Any advice about the two (240/257 Weatherby)?
@nebulousJames12345
@nebulousJames12345 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how well the mark v carbonite elite will do with consecutive shots? I have no reference as to how many shots it can realistically put out before overheating and becoming inacurate. Any insight would be great on this!
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 3 жыл бұрын
Hi - These types of barrels have been around for awhile. Here is a link to one of the better known carbon barrel companies that you may know already christensenarms.com/bolt-rifles/ These barrels cool more quickly than conventional steel barrels. One owner wrote me that they heat up more quickly too - and then cool off as the barrel is designed to shed heat - unlike steel barrels which retain heat. I've seen the Christensen rifles at the range and they seem to be fantastically accurate and light. The Weatherby will probably be about the same. Hope this helps.
@rickywatson2119
@rickywatson2119 2 жыл бұрын
I have several vanguards,243/240mag/7mag/300mag /270 and 308 I've had them a long time no issues
@alo300wsmsako7
@alo300wsmsako7 5 жыл бұрын
question sir, I own a sako 85 finlight my rifle stock turned sticky have no Idea why this happened I tried cleaning it with plain hot water, then with regular soap and nothing I have never encountered this problem do you have any Idea why this happened and how to correct it.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, I had the same thing happen with some synthetics. I was told that something caused the surface of the stock to break down. I tried everything and nothing worked until I sprayed the stock with Ballistol. After that the stocks were no longer sticky and were stable. Hope it works for you.
@alo300wsmsako7
@alo300wsmsako7 5 жыл бұрын
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you going to try it, I am disappointed with sako, I paid good money for it. I am going to try it out hope it works.
@Caseydog3
@Caseydog3 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Vanguard in 30.06 very accurate shot a hog at 70 yards right though both shoulders only 70 yards but a very hard shot nonetheless that’s when I fell in love with this rifle
@alexsuess9196
@alexsuess9196 5 жыл бұрын
I own both a Vanguard and a Mark V lasermark. I enjoy both rifles thoroughly. Maybe it was just my Vanguard but I did upgrade the trigger.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex - the Vanguard is so fine - as you know - and I like the trigger upgrade; I somehow just use triggers as they are - but many times I know they could be better : )
@MrSiestaFiesta
@MrSiestaFiesta 6 жыл бұрын
I have always had a love for Weatherby Rifles. I tend to stray away from the "typical" hunting rifles (Remington, Ruger, Browning, etc). What are your thoughts on T/C? Do you have any?
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
I had a T/C Icon - seemed to be okay. I remember the bolt being big and the handle could be changed out. Mine had a variation of a European butterknife bolt handle design which was fine. The action had a blockish sort of military look to it - which I liked - but we all see things differently. When I pulled the trigger it went boom and accuracy was really good. I think there was a removable magazine. Wish I could say more but I only had it a very short time. I would buy another if it came along at a decent price. The bolt lift was in the 60 degree range.
@danielchristian5541
@danielchristian5541 2 жыл бұрын
In most cases, on Mauser pattern actions and possibly ithers, the base of the bolt handle also acts as a "lug'.
@bobbob6162
@bobbob6162 4 жыл бұрын
I love your bookshelf........
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty good I guess.
@franksanchietti7108
@franksanchietti7108 Жыл бұрын
300 weatherby in the vanguard is an excellent rifle.
@Wheelchair-bear
@Wheelchair-bear 5 жыл бұрын
Good review, I had an old Vanguard in a 270 Weatherby it was from the 1970s or 80s I believe and then I also had a series 1 in 257, do you know where these guns were built?
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Craig - made in Japan. Excellent rifles - as you know.
@Wheelchair-bear
@Wheelchair-bear 5 жыл бұрын
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you, are the Mark V'5 a still made in USA ? I have a 300 and a 257, I also have a Mauser action from, I think, 1948, serial number 803, in a 300 Weatherby. My grandfather went down to Southgate California, and bought it, right from Roy Weatherby. Grandpa had to buy 300 H&H shells and fire form them , then reload; it was extremely hard to find Weatherby loaded ammo; I still have some of that fire formed ammo.
@bigears4426
@bigears4426 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a weatherby vanguard in 223 , i was told it's a howa but weatherby reworked them , don't know if there is any truth to that , but it shoots well and that's what counts, it came with a test shot sheet 3 shots 2 holes and very close to each other
@kalanitamondong1867
@kalanitamondong1867 5 жыл бұрын
The weatherby stock looks like a bell and Carson stock on the Remington 700 long rang rifle
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 5 жыл бұрын
I can see the similarity.
@jimothyrubie4638
@jimothyrubie4638 6 ай бұрын
Needed comparison but I have to wonder what the differences would be in more similar calibers
@REDNECKROOTS
@REDNECKROOTS 6 ай бұрын
The vanguard is actually a great action design. It's taken the best features of few actions . a mauser 98 recoil lug and bolt lugs. Winchester model 70 flat bottom thick ridgid reciver. And the rem model 700 round top and base pattern
@paulsimmons5726
@paulsimmons5726 6 жыл бұрын
Weatherby rifles have a longtime reputation for quality and performance, regardless of manufacturing location. The only problem with Weatherby proprietary chamberings is that, compared to standard calibers, the shooter gets whacked as hard by the store clerk as the deer, elk, or whatever, gets slammed by the bullet. While I've always appreciated the Weatherby line, the cost of the ammo has always been the deal breaker. Beautiful rifles though, nonetheless.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns
@UnitedStatesOfGuns 6 жыл бұрын
You're right about those cartridge costs - quite high sometimes. Wish there was a way around it. My friend got sick of it and sold his Mark V in .300 Weatherby and bought one in 30-06.
@highplainsdrifter9631
@highplainsdrifter9631 6 жыл бұрын
Paul Simmons handloading is the answer to your problem. Trust me, once you roll your own, you'll see the savings. Weatherby Mark Vs are wonderful rifles, but I've always considered it somewhat silly to get a Mark V in something that is not a proprietary Weatherby Magnum cartridge. Just my two cents worth.
@maxwelm7408
@maxwelm7408 3 жыл бұрын
I have two howa. Both in .308 one is 24” Varmint barrel and is free floated with a laminate stock. But the other howa is 22” sporter barrel walnut stock but NOT free floated it got a pressure point at the end. And both shoots clover leaf in 100 yards
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