The Leica M Cameras M3 to M4-P - an overview
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2 жыл бұрынDan explains the differences between the non-metered Leica M models .. Plus - what’s inside the Leica M camera.
Leica M3, M2, M1, M4, MD, M4-2 and M4-P
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@Fjalll 2 жыл бұрын
One thing about the M4-2 and M4-P is the introduction of a hot shoe instead of the regular cold shoe.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Correct - thank you - you’re exactly right! 🙏🏻🔴📷❤️
@larrylanggard2609 2 жыл бұрын
And I think I read something about the M4-2 and the M4-P having the film advance gears being made of a stronger metal, so the gearing mechanism could accommodate the stress the power power winders would put on the mechanism. Steel instead of brass gears?
@howiegoldfarb1871 Жыл бұрын
By far this was the most informative lesson on Leica M cameras I’ve ever heard I’m 74 and in awe thank you so much Howard G.
@thebarnackhour1872 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much ! I’m so glad to hear it! ..and thanks for watching!
@MrScotchpie 10 ай бұрын
The M4-2 is a lot different from the M4. It was the first to use mass manufacturing with precision standardised parts rather than the hand crafted parts of the M4. It also used steel for the inner workings rather than brass. In other words it was a budget version of the M4 that was needed to recover after the disaster of the M5.
@sd-tishara3840 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! You make the most informative videos which is why I purchased my buddha-ear M3 and summicron from Tamarkin.
@Gilico 2 жыл бұрын
Nice collections and fantastic overview! Learned much, THANK YOU!
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! ❤️📷🔴
@khengleongwee8758 Жыл бұрын
Appreciative of this very informative sharing you did !
@kennethhouston4838 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I never really put much thought into possibly owning a Leica. You education on the different models has since changed that. Thank you again
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching ! We glad to help !
@albertmeyer8983 2 жыл бұрын
Love your video’s keep up the good work!
@cappysdad383 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great overview. I had my M4-P on my sell table as I felt I had more Leica M's than I can use, but after your review just had to put it back on the shelf. Guess I just need to shoot more film. The heavily decorated M4-P also makes a nice contrast to my minimalist M-A. Your review encouraged me to do a little research and read that the last variation of the M4-P went from a brass top plate to a zinc one with flush windows. According to the Tom Abrahamsson article my s/n 1620629 must be one of the last brass top plate M4-Ps made so yet one more reason to hang on to it - you saved me from making a serious error!
@1111undici1111 10 ай бұрын
Watching this on saturday, drinking beer :D Great overview!
@hans-peterwiechers8621 2 жыл бұрын
Klasse! Besser hat das noch nie jemand erklärt. Großartig.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
vielen Dank fürs Zuschauen! Ich bin so froh, deinen Kommentar zu lesen!
@davidpuglia4813 2 жыл бұрын
Great Barnak hour as usual. Bought my M3 on layaway in 1973 and still have it - even shot some film a few years back. I really like the viewfinder for the 50mm and 90mm - excellent for these lenses. Tell Leica to make a limited edition digital M3 - I bet it would sell out :) Found a brand new M4-P in Austria 4 years ago - the Leica shop had a chrome version which is rarer so I bought it for a steal. Collectors weren't looking for the M4-P for the most part so the price was low. The camera has gone up 2.5X since I bought it....Best viewfinder for a 75mm. How about the development / history of Leica 75mm M lenses for a Barnak hour - interesting focal length?
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Oh a digital M3 would sell out! 🙏🏻🙏🏻 the 75 is an interesting story.. well put something together!
@GONZOFAM7 2 жыл бұрын
The dream set up would be a M4, any color with 35, 50 and 90 summicron lenses and the 135 frame lines masked off.
@dlmp70 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic overview! Thank you!
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching !
@richardsimms251 6 ай бұрын
Very good video. Thank you. RS. Canada
@graydivision Жыл бұрын
Thanks for including the MD. I own an MD-2. For wide lens shooters it's the best bargain for those looking for a Leica.
@Topsyrm 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, looking forward to the next installment. I have M2, M4-P and MP (plus 3 M9s).
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching!🙏🏻
@applebopper 2 жыл бұрын
Great review with very interesting information on the Leica's you commentarised. A really serious episode this time (appreciated, although I like your humor!). This time without your partner (I really missed him!). I'm glad you like Hoffbrauhaus too! Keep on the good work - and take me (and other viewers) to the next level of Leica-love (says this amateur with nothing more than a Digilux 2 and a Leica CL (2017)!
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you thank you ! And I kept it kinda clean... we're excited to have Keith back! thank you SO much for watching and commenting !!
@sk8boyluis 2 жыл бұрын
M Body Timestamp M3 0:58 M2 5:27 M1 10:00 MD 11:18 M4 15:05 M4P 20:22 M camera internals 22:08
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this !
@Flying4Film 2 жыл бұрын
My M2 is a 1958 model with the button rewind and a self timer. I absolutely love the camera.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
us too ! Dan's favorite model !
@satyarod Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the best overview on M cameras. I’m a soon to be M4 owner 😊
@thebarnackhour1872 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching !!
@satyarod Жыл бұрын
Course watching your videos- makes one want to have several M bodies! ☺️ [I had a M3 and a IIIG (that I happily brought from you ~ Tamarkin Camera) that I sadly regret selling towards funding a digital M.] I will get a Barnack camera from you again soon! Thank you for your passion for Leica cameras. 🙏🏻
@Frakaphoto 8 ай бұрын
hot shoe of M4-2 / P is a huge + thanks for the video
@sputumtube 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting review. As soon as I've sold a kidney I'll come and see you. ;)
@Amia67360 9 ай бұрын
great
@scottbrennan4809 2 жыл бұрын
This is all so awesome
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@rinaldomorelli5650 9 ай бұрын
Hello, congratulations on your video telling a little about the history of Leica models. I have an M3, 1956, the shutter curtain sometimes locks. I send it every time to an authorized Leica technician, who is in another state, sometimes the shutter arrives normal, unlocked, other times it arrives there still locked. No one can know what the problem is and why the shutter freezes during movie operation. Could you tell what it could be? Grateful.
@slimjim340 Жыл бұрын
Just watched your review of the Leica cameras very interesting. In point of fact, I was a Nikon shooter. I would like to ask you one thing. How do you feel about the difference between the Leica film camera and it's digital counterpart. It's always seems to me that film has a Warmness that digital seems to miss. I started out shooting black and white film and did my own processing. Love the whole experience
@danohalloran4212 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! What material is the top plate of the M4-P made of, I can't find out anywhere?
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! The top plate material changed from brass to zinc around the time of the introduction of the Leica M6 (1984), but there is no absolute point at which the switch was made (Leica likely used the parts on hand to fulfill orders and did not declare an absolute point to switch over.)
@danohalloran4212 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebarnackhour1872 Thanks for the response! Looking forward to your future videos!
@ofeykalakar1 Жыл бұрын
The flush mount viewfinder M4-Ps are late models and like the M6 have zinc top plates. The M4-Ps with beveled viewfinders are all zinc. The problem with zinc is that, when it oxidizes it blisters and bubbles and is not very attractive.
@rfk-k1951 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@jasoncorganbrown 5 күн бұрын
Is the M3 the only model that has the 50mm frame line as the largest size within the viewfinder?
@fretlessfender 7 ай бұрын
There is this difference between m3 and m2 that is never written about and never mentioned. Early m3's the double strokes with glass pressure plates have tiny ball bearings to shut the hinged back. It prevents it from rattling when the bottom plate is not on. All the newer M's don't have this feature... and that is a little sad because it has a quality feel to it! Check it out, it's true!
@joseuribe430 2 ай бұрын
can the film advance lever from the M4 be replaced with a M2 film advance lever?
@riswanc 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video dan! How bout the m4 version that is made of steel? Do they really exist?
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@pauldoherty1105 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the Leica Jenga
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@JimmyCheng 2 жыл бұрын
hey, I’m wondering if the m4 bp is for sale. If so, I’m interested.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
thank you. Our sister company Tamarkin Auctions is offering it in this years' Rare Camera Auction. Info is on their website or at dan@tamarkinaucitons.com
@DANIP57 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!! Which Leica M3 has a double stroke and why?
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
The thinking in 1953/1954 is that a single stroke may advance the film too hard/fast and either break the film, marr the emulsion, ir perhaps even create a static spark (also marring the film)
@tomasnovotny4108 Жыл бұрын
Would you say you notice any build/user joy between M4 and M4-2/P? I still can't decide which one to get after selling M5. I'm tempeted to get better build M4 while I would like to have black body and also feel like 20 years younger P/2 makes sense too.
@thebarnackhour1872 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, and for your comment. Firstly, there are black M4 cameras that are around $3,000. The framelines inside the camera's rangefinder are usually the decision maker for buyers - if you want 28mm, you must go with the M4-P. All 3 cameras are extremely well made; since the M4 silver and the M4-2 are likely to be the least expensive of these models, I'd lean toward that. Our clientele all rave about their Leica camera - the decision is intensely personal and subjective...
@haymobachmaier Жыл бұрын
I love my M4-P from the 2nd Batch with Brass Topplate, not Aluminium😎🤙🏻
@jaxytvids 7 ай бұрын
Which do you think would be a better choice for kickstarting a Leica journey, M3 or M4-P. I can't decide between the two.
@gilang6710 6 ай бұрын
M4-P since it has more framelines variations (28, 35, 50 and so on among the favorite lens/focal length). The M3 starts with 50 and up, so you don’t have option for lens wider than 50mm.
@larrylanggard2609 2 жыл бұрын
I had an M4-2 for maybe 25 years, and it was a great camera. I think almost all of them were made in Canada. I sold it to buy an M6. I love the M6, but I wish now I had both. The M4 rangefinder had 1200 parts? I had no idea. I’ve heard some people say the M4-2 wasn’t as well made as the earlier M4, but I couldn’t tell the difference when I compared them (a friend had an M4). Any thoughts?
@LivioPignalosa 2 жыл бұрын
The M4-2 (I have it) was the camera that saved Leica after the M5. Because they invested a lot in the M5, they decided to remake the old design but in a cheaper way, in Canada and without the rigid and amazing assembling process of the previous ones.
@Fjalll 2 жыл бұрын
The M4-2 was made in 3 batches. The first batch made in Canada with manufacturing equipment from the plant in Germany. They had calibration issues under the production with the first batch. I don't remember the serial numbers but you can find it online, those are perhaps what started the myth about the M4-2 and M4-P to be of lesser standard. The only difference I've noticed between an M4 and M4-2/P while looking inside is the flash sockets on the back are plastic screwmount instead of metal on the M4-2/P.
@LivioPignalosa 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fjalll what I know: - steel and Teflon gears, necessary for coupling with the motor (on the M4 in brass and bronze); - flash socket support in synthetic material (brass on M4); - frame counter in printed plastic and not in silk-screened metal; - vulcanite coating with a lower rubber compound; - telemetry block in shredded steel, and not in a whole worked block: - elimination of a condenser lens in the rangefinder.
@larrylanggard2609 Жыл бұрын
The rangefinder in the M6 is made up of 177 parts, some of them almost microscopically small. (This from Leitz's director of global marketing.)
@andrewanderson3216 2 жыл бұрын
You missed a the Leica M4-P with a M6 Top plate. Seen one on eBay for sale in2021
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
We couldn’t address all the different facets in such a short video - but yes - M4-P top plates differ. We typically have them for sale at Tamarkin Camera. EBay is for suckers
@louis5352 2 ай бұрын
Was the M3 ever made originally in black?
@Adrian-wd4rn 2 жыл бұрын
Early M3's were double wind. Had glass plates instead of metal as well.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
correct ! thanks for watching !
@ElMikey225th 2 жыл бұрын
How can I buy one ? I looked on the website but gives no option to buy ?
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Call or email and we are happy to help! 1-800-BUY LEICA (289-5342) or info@tamarkin.com … and thanks 🙏🏻!
@AndrejsZavadskis Жыл бұрын
how about M6 ? M7 ? MP ? M-A ?
@Ranger629 6 ай бұрын
The M3 has a double stroke version too.
@geradebowden2692 Жыл бұрын
Is the shutter stepless?
@thebarnackhour1872 Жыл бұрын
No the shutters generally follow the standard 1, 2, 4, 8, 15, etc.. except for the early M3 cameras which are 1,2,5,10 etc
@nickfanzo 2 жыл бұрын
IMO the m3 is the best Leica. That view finder is huge
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The M3 is very popular and with good reason! For 50mm shooters it’s a great viewfinder
@stevehoffman9735 2 жыл бұрын
Sure, if you're a 50 shooter. Not great for 35mm wide angle street photographers.. That's M2 territory!
@nickfanzo 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevehoffman9735 35 is overrated
@stevehoffman9735 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickfanzo I agree!! I'm a 50 guy..
@tfylhk 2 жыл бұрын
The current meterless M-A
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
that is correct, the current meterless Leica film camera is called the Leica M-A
@LivioPignalosa 2 жыл бұрын
In the early M3 cameras there is a glass pressure plate.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
correct ! thanks for watching !
@codiecrieg2480 5 ай бұрын
where is m5? It was after m4 o_0
@alanmacmillan6957 2 жыл бұрын
Strips it and operates it like a marine works his m16. Very knowledgable.
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
What a huge compliment!! Thank you !!!!
@user-dn3ml7dt3h 3 ай бұрын
MD is based on M2 // MDa is based on M4
@crappfoto 2 жыл бұрын
i ld take them all 😁😉. But please, drink Weißbier of a glas 🍻
@thebarnackhour1872 2 жыл бұрын
🍻🍻
@saadahmad5282 Жыл бұрын
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@antoniocastillo2691 Жыл бұрын
Only. M-3
@Frakaphoto 8 ай бұрын
M4-2 is certainly the best ever leica M.
@heiner71 6 ай бұрын
How so? Because you own one?
@antoniocastillo2691 Жыл бұрын
Leica
@carlosmcse 10 ай бұрын
If you don’t like your Leica brassed you’re weird…
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