Yes

Exactly.

Mm there's a lot to unpack isn't there. I stayed up late editing and especially for the quest so I wouldn't be spoiled this morning but I'm half-dead today haha. Yeah it seems like the Ruin Guards were invented in Khaenri'ah so the Ruin Graders being present in Dragonspine is rather strange as the technology is pretty similar. I think maybe that the blueprints came from the Abyss and that's why the Guards and Graders are similar but not the same. I'm working on my next video atm and I've got a few things to add in at the end as it sort of involves Khaenri'ah anyway but the video's really long so it's taking me a while to edit haha. Hopefully I can get it finished today.

Just felt like giving you an update: there’s a Ruin Grader in Inazuma as well so it’s not just Dragonspine

@@shmarfle47 I also found it strange. A single ruin grader in inazuma and nowhere else. Not even in Liyue which is in between Dragonspine and Inazuma...also, just 1 ruin grader in inazuma is bizarre

@@Ben-vg6ox Yeah, it just there in inazuma, kinda sus. I think mihoyo is hinting on something...

Good thing I called her friend

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE LONGEST TIME! Thank you for saying this. LOL!

got me in the first half, ngl

Paimon is actually Celestia herself

@@KookieBuns05 Better yet, paimon created celestia.

Yeah I think Celestia are going to be our enemies too. Nuking cities with giant pillars isn't cool in my book and I think they've become corrupted somehow. It's only a few threads but Venti talking about Vannessa in the manga was the biggest hint for me that something isn't right there.

@@TheLaughingManLore yeah they seem to have been corrupted and in the manga the whole thing about Celestia drawing closer feels pretty sus. What did venti exactly say that makes you think so? I'd just like to know cuz Vanessa ascending as the falcon and coming back to look upon mond made venti pretty much contended as he said that she wants to see for herself as mond progresses towards the right path

@@pain-tf2lp It's the part where the Traveler asks about Celestia, it's more of a view of what happened to Vannessa as she arrived and him saying that the food and water there is rotten in his voicelines. When she enters through the gates there, it's obscured by light but the pillar in the middle looks like it has some abyss sort of stuff growing on the bottom of it. Could be that Celestia is rotting away/influenced by the Abyssal infection.

@@TheLaughingManLore this might be in venti voice lines ig lol idk I dont have him but that's interesting to know. Also Celestia could either be poisoned cuz of abyss or also be somewhat by itself as of how it opposes any tech development by humans and it's just a speculation but why would all of teyvat be blessed by all sort of crytals and elements that are easily feasible to all people, even the twps which have always been there but people just ignore. I kinda feel like Celestia wants to keep that knowledge from people of teyvat as Celestia itself isn't some grandeur of godhood and heaven shit but just something like abyss order itself to suppress advanced development. The traveler would be enemies to Celestia since they've made use of all ancient technology that present people don't find any use of so thats basically challenging the celestial authority. I might just be rambling with my thoughts everywhere lol I'm sorry if I couldn't explain better

That makes sense and I know what you're getting at, it seems like as long as people are using elements and powers that fall under their control, everything is good. They seem scared of anything outside of their authority though as you say. There was a big war in the past (pre-archon war) that involved the moons (which I think were/represented the first gods of Teyvat) being destroyed so whoever (my guess is Celestia) won that war took their place as the new gods and imposed their will upon the people. Can't wait until we do a Jade Chamber #2 with our Traveler and bring that place down haha.

I think there would be more events in the future where all of these will be revealed like Azhdaha

They certainly look similar don't they, more like angel wings than the gliders we have after the ones in the intro cutscene. I wonder if there are more connections between the Travelers and Celestia than we think.

@@TheLaughingManLore ​I didnt watch the full vid yet, but i cant help but think the prince and princess could be aether and lumine somehow . "she believed she was the queen of the kingdom of darkness" relates to this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibWPkrmCv8_Wemg.html Venti said "This is the story of ur journey" at the end of this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5agntqLu7LDd4U.html

@@Rondezzi It's a compelling theory that I think is probably true as well, I might have mentioned it in my Dainsleif video but unless it's a red herring and they throw in a twist where it's actually Dainsleif/The Sustainer, mentions of it line up with Aether and Lumine being the Battle Pass heirs.

Ikr

I mean they guns, corsets, cameras etc. And no actual feudalism (in the case of modern nations) but instead early stage capitalism.

It's like granblue where everything is set in a fantasy world something like that

what do you mean? like the png in the sky is different?

If teyvat is a spherical world, and it's small, it would make sense to be crooked. Maybe in Snezhnaya, Celestia might not even be seen, since it's below the horizon.

@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person yeah but liyue isn’t even that far from monstadt, so I feel like if that’s true, it shouldn’t be that slanted

Hmm maybe but I'd lean towards it being unlikely. The hero she tasked was named Imunlaukr and he founded Mondstadt with the other noble families like the Gunnhildrs so I don't think that was Dainsleif - he seems to be born in Khaenri'ah as far as I can tell with his eyes being the same as Kaeya's. I think you're right there would have been some that went into the Abyss as a safe haven though as the Scribe even mentions Khaenri'ah which I think is at least close to the Abyss as it was an underground nation.

@@TheLaughingManLore Well now we know he’s a knight for the Eclipse Empire. x) there goes my theory.

@@alicewalls2095 That just means it's time to make some new theories haha, I've got a whole bunch for a video I'm working on next and I can't wait to share them.

Totally agree, maybe they're waiting for the inevitable Honkai collab event to drop that knowledge.

I feel like Honkai is separated in universes and Khaenri'ah acts as a gate for them

The cycle of humanity rising and then being struck down for becoming too smart and powerful is a common theme in honkai. What you can guess at is through what we do know so far is it may be connected to the Will of the Honkai. As it is the only being in creation that transcends and exists everywhere on the imaginary tree's branches and its deepest roots. Teyvat being a world on the tree presumably. Thus the whole cycle seems connected to the will of the honkai. As its will and nature effects even teyvat. Always bringing down humanity at its highest completely wiping the world. With humans always returning to the same state again only to be struck down in repeat. Every time technology becomes too powerful and great with humanity the will of the honkai enacts its will against them.

@@TheLaughingManLore bro now they're collabing and im excited

@@irfanhamzah8731 Same! I read it's gonna be around the time of patch 1.7 too so maybe if Inazuma is out then we'll get something from Honkai. I hope Baal/Raiden looks like the character Mei

Thanks liacore! I'm happy that you enjoyed it ❤

Interesting observation! I do wonder how exactly Khemia creates life, perhaps he pricks his finger before creating that branch.

Glad you enjoyed it Luiza! :)

Yeah I guess I could've added that in. I think at the time I was making it I was trying to not branch off too much from the story of the priests and Celestia as I tend to ramble haha. Maybe I'll make a video on the more recent events there if we ever go back.

@@TheLaughingManLore can I ask how you got all this information

Is it from the stone tablets

@@omarramy8454 Sure, I've linked all my sources in the description of the video so you can find everything there. Was a while back but pretty sure the stone tablets were used.

Oh nice thanks for replying amazing video btw

Thank you! Yeah I think you're 100% right on that one, it seems like Khaenri'ah was created as a response to Celestia always destroying the nations that worshipped them. Can't wait 'til we find out more!

@@TheLaughingManLore ahaha yep! Here's my theory that somewhat relates to this but focuses more on dainsleif and the story etc Dainsleif/khaenriah/ds/celestia/curse recently I've been thinking about dainsleif being a half celestian being. Here's my pitch, he could be albedos master, he ascended to celestia and gained many powers but for some reason celestia abandoned him. I don't wanna make this too long but maybe he wanted to help the people of dragonspine rise against celestia, celestia destryed the people of dtagonspine and cursed dainsleif, the reason dainsleif is biased against celestia despite ascending was because of the treatment of// Khaen'riah, I believe the khaenrians were cursed, their pretty designed eyes are a mark of their nationality but their one covered eye might be a curse, this curse may be new, maybe after dainsleif was banished and punished his entire clan was punish too, maybe khaenriah is Old dragonspine, the survivors of dragonspine migrated to khaenriah, the land of no gods for safety after being cursed and have a hatred for the divine. I Believe he could also be the master albedo is looking for but it might be far fetch I also believe this is why finding dainsleif will be the key to our story in fighting the unknown god, because the god and dainsleif have opposite views, the tsaritsa may have been inspired by dainsleif and plans to revolt against celestia As we heard from venti many of the archons don't seem to pay too much attention to celestia, maybe they are angered that celestia allowed the archon war and many sacrifices were made, the unknown god is probably one of the celestial beings and that means she knows dainsleif . Ggnfsdhfschkbf happy to elaborate more

@@pewdiecookie2136 Hmm I think you might be on to something with him being more closely related to Celestia than we might think. He could be the other heir in the Battle Pass cutscene with the Unknown God being the first heir that was corrupted. I might be wrong but I think Albedo's master was named Rhinedottir and was a female so I don't think Dainsleif could've been linked to him in that sense, more likely he knows of the khemia alchemy Albedo uses because it was created in Khaenri'ah and was the same as Gold used to bring about the curse of the people (indirectly or not). I think Rhinedottir was Gold's assistant or second in command like Sucrose is to Albedo. The eyes are a strange one and there's definitely got to be more lore to come out to explain why they're so different. I think the curse was a punishment too, I'm not sure if I mentioned it in my Dainsleif lore video but I think perhaps he was the hero-king of Khaenri'ah and Gold, the chief alchemist was conducting experiments to discover a power to rival the gods, which the gods were insulted by and so cursed Khaenri'ah's people with whatever the Abyss infection is that changes them into monsters. I think it transforms most people but those with "excellent blood" in Kaeya's case are able to resist the curse (maybe it just manifests in one eye for him). I hadn't thought about the Tsaritsa interacting with Dainsleif but that's a really interesting idea, maybe she respected his bravery during Khaenri'ah's destruction. Yeah that's what I think, Celestia probably forced the archons to destroy Khaenri'ah too. I see the archons as reluctant prison guards who take up the role because they fear anyone else with bad intentions presiding over the people of their region. What are your thoughts on the false sky btw? I think to begin with Teyvat was created to keep the people safe from the rest of the universe (possibly honkai/abyss) but it has since become a prison as Celestia has degraded.

@@TheLaughingManLore oooh yes, this is an old hasty theory so ofc after learning more I'm changing perceptions. We can seperate the master from dainsleif but it's probable that dainsleif knows albedos secret, being that 'dainsleif will stop him if he gets out of control' so albedo may have some link to khaenriah or dainsleif to albedos master. Now, considering that dainsleif being an ex or then celestial being helped dragonspine, earned them the curse and descended as a fallen being and decided to create a 'land w/o gods' which I percieve to be khaenriah, where the eyes do not reach of celestia then that means he is an ancient khaenrian. (This is all very messy honestly in terms of timeline I may contradict myself) but I do believe that the unknown goddess and dainsleif are rivals in sense of ambition, thus they are the closest to being the heirs. Dainsleif cares about humanity whereas the goddess despises humans, and thus dainsleif may be the reason the tsaritsa knows a secure plan to breach celestia if we consider this dainsleifs second attempt to overthrow celestia (using dragonspine before) since she cares about her nation and wants to stop the cyclical destruction celestia bestows on teyvat. The false sky isn't something I've dwelled on alot but it's very very probable that teyvat is one of the only places celestia has power over, as the siblings travelled freely until they came across this world which comdemned them for breaching and entrapped them, if we do beleive the gnostic hymn and heir theory then celestia is the shadow kingdom no? That means dainsleif quest is to overthrow that realm and search for the pearl, the overthrowing of celestia may reveal the teue nature of their world, teyvat may be able to learn the secrets khaenriah uses and the power to control energy without visions, because outlanders outside of teyvat don't require visions, hence that is a control of the land under the false sky. I believe dainsleifs true aim is to expose the false sky and thus free the first heir from the 'shadows' and the tsaritsa merely wants to fight for her kingdom and prevent their own entrapment. Because I also don't like to beleive she is doing all this in a big bad plan, the other sibling could also be a side factor in dainsleifs plan, maybe even his one key as they seem to be very powerful, I'm hoping the other sibling actually is the one to recieve all the gnosis... Just to see what power they'd get Anyway pspspsps The khaenrians have too many secrets I wanna explore it so so bad

@@pewdiecookie2136 Oh yeah he definitely does, khemia is life-giving but if it's corrupted by the abyss it seems to be infection-spreading. Maybe there's a delicate balance that needs to be kept and Albedo not knowing this could accidently trigger whatever happened to Khaenri'ah again. It could even be why the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles appeared - to keep the balance by either destroying or cursing those who mess with these powers. That's got me thinking, I bet the divine/gods wouldn't appreciate one of their own giving their knowledge to humanity and with how Mihoyo like their ancient mythology, khemia could have been like the fire Prometheus took from the Greek gods to share with humanity and was subsequently punished for. It'd definitely make him want to create a nation like Khaenri'ah to keep away from the god's sight. The Unknown God being his opposite does make sense, even the colour schemes are opposite with her being mainly white/red and him being black/blue and she clearly has opposing beliefs to him as you've said. I agree the Tsaritsa has some knowledge that her nation is coming under fire next and Dainsleif sharing some knowledge with her lines up with that as he has a lot of past experience with them, if what we're speculating is true. I wonder about the previous archons too as Zongli/Venti are the only originals, the Tsaritsa could've found out that she was just as disposable as humanity to the divine. I have an inkling that Celestia killed the previous Dendro archon because he refused to destroy Khaenri'ah or shared knowledge with them that he wasn't supposed to so that could have opened her eyes to their true nature. Huh, I hadn't considered that but it makes a lot of sense. With how the archons are all named after demons and all the Gnosticism referenced, it'd make sense that Celestia was the shadow kingdom masquerading as divinity. So the Unknown God would be under the spell of Celestia and possibly used as their most powerful weapon. That's really got my mind going haha, thanks! Yeah the Tsaritsa seems misunderstood with her shouldering the World's burdens mentioned in the cryo gemstone and everyone outside of Shneznaya thinking she's evil. I've got a feeling the gnosis aren't going to be as useful for her as she thinks though. If their power comes from Celestia, surely they could just cut off the source and make them as useless as an empty vision? Would love to see the other twin get that massive power-up though, I can just imagine the cutscene now. Hahaha yeah that place is probably the most interesting place in Teyvat atm and it looks like we're not going to be visiting for at least a few years, seeing as we're not even in Inazuma yet. :/ I hope Varka shows up soon (I have a suspicion it'll be at Ludi Harpastum this year) because he's going to be dropping lore hints all over the place about Khaenri'ah. I just hope they don't go down the route of "it was so bad Varka won't share anything about it with you" haha.

Hey I really appreciate that Rafa, thanks.

I'm just happy people like them, thanks wizdumb!

Nice find, I think you're right. I wonder if they're made from the Irminsul branches like the tiaras are but more than that, I wonder how they impart this insight on people and what it is. I've got a feeling they're more technological than they appear, sort of like an advanced VR headset haha.

@@TheLaughingManLore Now, it's pure speculation, but it's probably technological on the same level as Ruin Guardians are. The word "wisdom" comes up a lot when examining texts of ancient times, but it also surfaces when Sumeru gets brought up. Maybe we'll get our reveal once we travel there.

@@Lomniko Yeah that'd make sense to me, with the robots using lasers and all it wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I hope we find out a lot in Sumeru, the god of wisdom not correcting folly though has me thinking we're going to get fed a load of bs at some point haha.

@@TheLaughingManLore Super exciting stuff, right? Man, I can only hope the game doesn't get stale until then. We're likely to wait for years!

@@Lomniko Yeah it's probably the biggest mystery we know of so far and I do love a good mystery haha. Me too but I thought we wouldn't see Dainsleif for years so we might be happily surprised if we're lucky.

The Traveler's homeland? It's possible they visited the location but the twins are said to be from another World entirely so I don't think they have anywhere they'd call home on Teyvat. Except the teapot ofc haha

Is that confirmed? I thought that Chi was one of the gods Morax sealed away in Liyue and that Durin was created in Khaenri'ah by Rhinedottir. I'd be interested in where you got this information, thanks for sharing!

@@TheLaughingManLore someone made theory about the relation between ganyu and dragonspine. He use the world quest chi as the base of his theory and the fact that ganyu also a qilin

@@TheLaughingManLore yeah morax defeat chi and sealed chi body part in different place. Chi spirit in stromteror liat, chi form buried under giant tree , chi skeleton in dragonspine , chi flesh was in cave near qince vilage but now gone, and chi soul was at domain near oceanid before but now gone too. The guy that made this theory believe that durin was made with flesh and soul of the chi by an alchemis called gold.

@@yogiwirawan861 Hmm yeah I'm just re-reading the quest dialogue and that could be the case, pretty cool theory! It says Morax defeated the Chi in antediluvian times too so it seems like it was before Sal Vindagnyr and Old Mondstadt existed. I wonder if the Chi's remains being in close proximity had any affect on the people of those cities.

@@yogiwirawan861 well that theory is debunked now that azhdaha is revealed.

Pretty much yeah! I think the Frostbearing Tree is a corrupted branch of the original Irminsul tree due to it absorbing Durin's blood though, so it might have some negative effects in the future.

@@TheLaughingManLore that anceint dragon killed by dvalin ... ... That dragon blooded corrupted it ?

@@harshanand4719 I think so yeah, the same sort of thing happened with the Chi of Guyun Stone Forest when it was killed too.

@@TheLaughingManLore of I got it thanks

I wasn't but that's an interesting coincidence! I talk a bit about Project Ark in my Dainsleif video which I think might have been where the twins came from, if you're interested in that sort of thing.

Celestia could have been a part of Teyvat in the past, sure. I don't think it's mentioned anywhere though as we still know next to nothing about Celestia so you can save yourself reading every book haha.

“As the first thunder pierced the skies,” also seems to relate to the idea of electro...

Nicely spotted - perhaps any who go against eternity are to be punished by Baal like those who break contracts in Liyue. I'll have to look over this lore again when I finally make a video on Raiden. Hopefully 2.1 gives us a bit more to work with!

This was before the fall of old mondstadt and wayyy before the rise of the Seven though. If there was an upholder of 'eternity' it couldn't have been baal, only the original electro archon or even someone else

@@Ben-vg6ox you’re right! It definitely can’t be Baal, but I wonder if it’s related to her story regardless, or if it’s maybe just a neat easter egg/coincidence

Celestia don't seem to want humans to attain too much knowledge for some reason and only hand it out to those they deem worthy through the "gnosis" which just means knowledge in Latin so I agree. I think they're scared that their rule will be overthrown if humans find out too much. That's a pretty intriguing idea about Venti, I have a feeling Celestia may have given him the order to leave Dragonspine alone, it definitely seems to be a cautionary tale for those that may have high aspirations like those of Dragonspine in the future. Hmm! That would be interesting to know. There may be little hints to help us figure it out as in one quote the Tsaritsa says something to the effect of burning away the old world which could hint that Teyvat is currently in the ice stage preceding the age of fire. Though I'm sure there are other hints that may point towards it being another age that I can't think of atm.

@@TheLaughingManLore if this were to be the case as to why Tsaritsa and the Fatui were bent on getting all the gnoses, they need all the help they can get if they want to fight Celestia equally

@@brianaguila6925 I agree and maybe I'm missing something here but I just can't see the gnoses being useful to defeat Celestia at all. If they were handed out by Celestia, surely they aren't more powerful than whatever powers Celestia already have, even when all put together. They're all about control and I doubt they'd give others that chance to usurp them, however small. I can just foresee a time in the future where the Tsaritsa is all amped up on her multiple gnoses and Celestia do the classic *finger snap* move and shatter them all with ease. If they're going to be defeated, it'll be from something they have no control over like The Abyss or the Traveler's powers imo.

If you consider how much gnostic influences there is on Genshin Impact, you all are on the right track.

This happened a long time before Barbatos became an archon, I think Durin just landed there to die after being defeated by Dvalin as they were battling in the skies near Dragonspine.

The mountain was already covered in snow long before barbatos ascended to godhood

I wonder the same though with the new Seelie lore we've gotten surrounding the Goddess of Flowers I'm leaning more towards them being the envoys atm.

Just go into photo mode by selecting the camera on the left of the in-game menu and their should be an option to hide the UI.

Thanks Djinn! Maybe I'll try it out sometime though I have no idea how haha

Yeah it very well could be actually, perhaps Khaenri'ah held a skyborne power that was to do with the twins.

It could be, the lore around that time is really vague so it's hard to pin down exact times but we know Celestia have some world-altering powers. If they deemed Sal Vindagnyr a failed experiment, they could've reset the cycle of ice>fire>water>lightning to cover the lands in ice again.

I thought it was frozen because of andrius's war vs decarabian

Hi Nicole, the ancient civilisation I was referring to was the one before Dragonspine existed that the priests of Dragonspine visited in the Abyss. Sorry if that wasn't clear in the video.

Yeah that does sort of resemble an Abyss Herald doesn't it? The shape of the head and height at least. It'd be a great twist if the envoys of Celestia turned against them in the past to become the Abyss Heralds and that's why Celestia started the Archon Wars to replace them.

@@TheLaughingManLore Now that we know a little more about abyss magic maybe they were envoys corrupted by the abyss/our twin? The hrald designs are very similar to Dainsleif too though.

Will do Thomas, thanks for the feedback - I'm learning as I go.

Sorry about that, just got a new mic today so hopefully my voice will be a lot clearer in the future.

@@TheLaughingManLore That's fantastic, looking forward to your next videos.