"...and as simple men of the Imperium." Well, the Emperor never would have permitted that. The Astartes were never meant to live among the civilian populations. Only to be instruments of war, dissolved and destroyed once the conquest of the galaxy was completed. The Emperor's intent was to have the Primarchs and maybe select bodyguards as regents around the galaxy, but for all military and civilian life to be governed by humans. Regular humans.

@@saltedllama2759 that's a fair assessment given a lot of past lore, but I don't know that anything like that was ever actually set in stone by the Emperor-- whether because he was entirely focused on the Crusades and the Webway project, or because he knew the Horus Heresy would make any plans he had for a soon-to-come peacetime irrelevant and impossible to plan for. While I do think the Astartes would never (and should never) have been allowed to become administrators or governors in the Imperium post-Crusades, as it was always meant to be run by mortal men and women, I do think that he would've allowed many Astartes to live if their Primarchs and they demonstrated that they could serve as peacekeepers, superhuman workers, and defenders without needing to claim authority. Some rumors of plans to wipe out most of the Astartes were probably true, but especially with the love many Primarchs had for their sons I can't imagine the Emperor thinking that he could simply have the majority of them culled without serious risk of rebellion and devastating uprisings. While that was more possible with the Thunder Warriors, given their many flaws and how small of an area their forces were kept to (a single planet still in the grips of a dark age), no such culling could have worked with the Legions. Perhaps throwing them against enemies to whittle down their numbers, and then simply establishing that as the new maximum, but even that would be risky. It's mostly speculation, obviously, since we're never going to see how things would've turned out, but I always figured the most likely outcome would have been that post-Crusades the lack of ongoing major campaigns would have meant that most Legions would simply not receive new troops, and that the lack of need for Astartes in the inevitable minor disputes and conflicts would mean that they could be allowed to effectively shrink to a fraction of their numbers without greatly impacting the stability of the Imperium. But then again, the writing on how wise and human the Big E actually is has veered wildly from one side of the spectrum to the other over the years, so maybe he really was planning to simply try and purge the vast majority of Astartes, regardless of the protestations of their Primarchs and the Legions themselves. Tough to say with the old Emperor.

@@saltedllama2759 this is true, in the imperial palace he has a fresco of every human soilder from cave man to gaurdsman, nowhere on the art piece is there a space marine

Makes me wonder what could have been for The Iron Hands

​@@saltedllama2759 This is interesting view since guilliman trained his sons to prepapre for roles post war as advisors and necessary rulers and were used as example what Spacemarine legion should be like. Suggesting that the Primarchs and their legions would server a purpose after the crusades completion.

sad Raven noises

@@Ceiling_Gato so overlooked and unseen, even the fandom doesn’t know they exist.

But Jagathai and Vulcan got to shine many times in the Horus Heresy novels. Ferrus died so quickly, without a crowning moment of awesome all the Iron Hands are known for is being cogboy wannabees. GW should have kept him around a little longer so he could have had a few awesome novels. All the lesser known Primarchs had at least a few good novels to build them up. Ferrus got zilch.

Need a team up novel

Agreed They got some good characters in 30k HH, but are getting abused in thr Indomitus Era

This makes me think about the original quote : The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing - Matthew 26:41

link?

Link?

Every loyalist chapter is aces in my book!

@@lesyeuxduciel can't argue with that statement.

"Loyalists", lol.

And the Templar xD

@@astormofwrenches5555 Iron Hands are definitely loyalists

Damn right. Ferrus gets absolutely shafted.

This quote could have been derived from the Emperor talking about what it means to be human, perhaps after one of the primarchs subtly touches that during a debate where all of them participate

That's prolly why Horus wished he had Ferrus truly on his side

With as much as Fabius cloned him, you'd think he would have done so as an endgame to counter his own Primarch's stupidity.

But deeds endure!

Praise the Gorgon

The Salamanders would like to have a word with you....

@@SilenTHerO78614 The White Scars peeking through the window,,

@@joeykiller at least the white scars dont count their successor chapters on one hand

^^ At least the Salamanders and the White Scars had their time in TTS and the Voxcast. While the Iron Hands get only a passing mention from Corax^^

@@carlospomares3225 blame Gdubs for that. Apparently they were supposed to appear in the Proteus Protocol arc before TTS was axed

Maybe add Vulcan.

I think he said himself it just coated his arms / hands and hadn't replaced the flesh underneath it .. as to the first part well the marines that had bionics would die off and it wouldn't matter .. just the practise of replacing a hand would be stopped going forward ..

@@icklemoo tough love from the Gorgon.

Not quite. It’s under siege but still holding out as far as I know

U better be jokin

@@Cactus_Dog 😉

lol Brilliant

So was Horus...

@@viewernewest Alpharius: *Cough*

Laughs in the Lion.

Alpharius