That black and gold has to return. It even looked cool from 2011 to 2013 on those Lotus-Renault cars of Nick, Vitaly, Kimi and Romain
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Even on the Haas it looked great!
@benediktwindisch27782 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicane they were rich on libery just missing the energy
@MrNegativecreep072 ай бұрын
Well every car on the grid is now black, so we're halfway there
@LJW19122 ай бұрын
@@MrNegativecreep07rich energy
@shooty8032 ай бұрын
It won't be the same, but the DS Penske livery in Formula E is gorgeous, especially the one-off they ran in Monaco this year, about the closest you can get to seeing a Lotus around an F1 track in the modern day.
@GearsandGasoline2 ай бұрын
My favorite F1 channel on KZfaq. Your quality is always so consistent, anything you post I watch as soon as it's recommended.
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@LarsFerdinand2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the Lotus years. I know many stories about Senna, but once you really put it all together the guy is just unbelievable.
@mushter1711 күн бұрын
"it would be the last time Senna started outside the top 10". Wow. If that doesnt show greatness, nothing can. What a stat.
@McLMP4-222 ай бұрын
I still feel like Senna could have been champion in 1986, if only that Renault engine was more reliable. The 98t was an equal chassis to the FW11, the MP4/2C had hit its development ceiling, like the MP4-17d of 2003. Mansell and Piquet were taking points off each other, and Prost was driving a 2 year old car. All the pieces were there for Senna, but typical Renault reliability struck, which is an issue they haven’t solved even today which is why Red Bull went to Honda and Alonso left Alpine (aside from Ocon being himself).
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
2003 is a great comparison for sure. I think in much the same way any one of Schumacher, Raikkonen or Montoya would’ve deserved the title that year, any one of the four title protagonists of 1986 would’ve been a worthy champion, but for unreliable machinery!
@palm922 ай бұрын
The Chassis was, but the engine wasn’t as reliable and also not as powerful. I wonder what would would have happened if the 98T had the Honda, as opposed to the 99T. I’ll one up you, the 98T was superior to the MP4/2. ‘86 is my favourite season as it’s one of the most brilliant WDCs in the 3rd best car with the 4 best engine.
@palm922 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicane WRT to Prost and De Angelis and reliability - they were much, much, much easier on their equipment while still being blindly fast.
@McLMP4-222 ай бұрын
@@palm92 for sure the 98t and FW11 were superior to the MP4/2C, as I said the MP4/2 had hit its development ceiling after 2 previous seasons of use. If the 98t had the Honda engine in 1986 then it would definitely have been Senna’s year.
@palm922 ай бұрын
@@McLMP4-22 My bad I appear to have misread that. Agreed.
@mrmurtagh112 ай бұрын
I've got a pie, a beer, and a Mobile Chicane video to watch.... Excellent.
@bramwell95442 ай бұрын
What sort of pie?
@mrmurtagh112 ай бұрын
Steak and Ale 😎
@bramwell95442 ай бұрын
@@mrmurtagh11 Excellent
@palm922 ай бұрын
Excellent video on a largely overlooked era.
@leskouts22 ай бұрын
Always wanted more detail on the Senna Lotus period which isn't as well documented as it is here. Thank you for the quality in documenting this
@Justanirishfella2 ай бұрын
I should be studying for my exam, but I guess I can spare an hour of my time
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
This is a much better use of that time. Good luck with your exam!
@Justanirishfella2 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicanethanks 😊
@jenlofficial2 ай бұрын
I don’t blame you. Anything about Senna gets my attention and I just can’t resist. I just started watching this one & I’m already hooked
@jenlofficial2 ай бұрын
Hope you did well on your exams!
@perdidledoink54752 ай бұрын
Brightens my day up whenever I see an unfamiliar video from you on my recommended!
@peekaboo15752 ай бұрын
Senna's qualifying lap on Adelaide '85 is something that I watch on a weekly basis. There are very few drivers that can be said to be on the same level of Senna, and none who can be said to be above him. He was gone way too soon.
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Any of Senna’s fast laps on street circuits are always a sight to behold!
@kodakreeeam99712 ай бұрын
"none who can be said to be above him" Wow you guys are just straight up rewriting history now huh.
@gianfrancopellegri67572 ай бұрын
@kodakreeeam9971 if you dont agree just ask the drivers themselves..
@kodakreeeam99712 ай бұрын
@@gianfrancopellegri6757 Yeah the drivers will say anything to glaze Saint Senna the 1st, their comments don't mean much. Fact is, the only reason he's revered so much is due to his tragic crash. Had he survived no one would be pretending he'd be the best. Owned by Prost, owned by Schumi so hard it he immediately accused Benetton of cheating the second he thought he couldn't beat him.
@KA._.1442 ай бұрын
@@kodakreeeam9971schumacher was cheating on 94, and senna was in a brand new team. had schumi not had TC he wouldn't have bene close to winning the championship, and even while cheating he still had to crash into another driver to win.
@joribremer52602 ай бұрын
Problem of the 1987 Lotus also was, it design was a bit “dated” lowline cars were the future, the McLaren, Williams(ok they run a b spec of 86) and Ferrari had all lower centre of gravity
@palm922 ай бұрын
It’s a great car (99T) but yeah it’s bulkier looking than the others. Also, it had the ‘86 spec Honda engine.
@BerserkerRohan2 ай бұрын
I agree that Senna did elevate Lotus during the time he was around since it did feel like Lotus was a shell of their former selves after Chapman's passing so while the numbers show that Senna should have been a champion with Lotus, his time has to be considered a success in my eyes. Sure Lotus did take some risks during this time like the active suspension in 1987 but it felt they needed to take those chances to try and beat Williams and McLaren. The heroics that Senna showed also laid the groundwork for the dominant pairing of McLaren and Honda from 1988 which is another important part of this legacy too.
@davidmacdonald16952 ай бұрын
Post-Chapman Lotus was actually an improvement on 1979-80-81-82 which saw only one victory. The last Chapman glory year was 1978 and the success stopped abruptly after that. Senna, Ducarouge and Warr brought some glory back for a few years.
@BerserkerRohan2 ай бұрын
@@davidmacdonald1695 I wonder if Ground Effect had anything to do with that considering it got banned in the early 80s.
@Ruppel982 ай бұрын
As expected, you’re always delivering us the quality content we need! I made sure to watch this with my dad and translate what he couldn’t understand on the go. Afterwards, we both came to the same conclusion: this was Senna’s first dance, and it was Lotus’ last. The team threw everything and the kitchen sink to provide him with the opportunity, but it wasn’t enough for Senna to fulfill both his potential and destiny. While Lotus’ best days were long gone, Senna alone gave us one last reminder of what they were capable of, even if on occasion. That you summed up perfectly, in my opinion! Thank you for all your hard-work and quality! I can’t wait to see what you got coming next for us!
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much; it’s so nice to hear you were able to enjoy this with your dad!
@RAFlamingo32 ай бұрын
I'm struggling to come up with words for your quality of output. Seriously, this is more amazing than that yellow helmet in that black and gold Lotus.
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@RAFlamingo32 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicane Thank you for ptoviding us for free with content so good you could easily charge money for
@toolbox52262 ай бұрын
You are a legend, Thank you very much. Love the content, Proper documentary, great narration.
@purchville7 күн бұрын
Senna driving a Lotus was what made me fall in love with F1. He made those cars dance
@snoozy766018 күн бұрын
Great video! Seems like not much is told about Senna in Lotus, so great to see the spotlight on this era!
@palm922 ай бұрын
Warr’s hatred of Mansell bordered on irrational. In Peter’s defence though - it took Nigel forever to win comparatively.
@jorgebecerra41022 ай бұрын
Senna in Lotus,My favorites years 😎👌
@Fernando.Gil.Ай бұрын
What a fantastic video! Came out 3 weeks ago, but I was waiting for the perfect time to watch it with no interruptions, and that was today.
@anthrax4233Ай бұрын
Nice work. Its crazy how this period of his career is almost an afterthought. It was I believe to be the most important, because it showed his talent in a competitive car, so direct comparisons could now be determined against his peers. Also that car is just drool worthy.😊
@cyberfutur500011 күн бұрын
Every time I watch this channel I'm shocked by how many people miss out on it or at least haven't found it yet. You have way to little subs for the quality (tho 12k is kinda a lot of people and having 12k views on 12k subs says something) I love your work mate! Easily in my top three F1 YT channels. I keep on recommending you whenever and wherever I can. Keep up the great work and thanks :)
@TheMobileChicane11 күн бұрын
Thanks for your support - I really appreciate it!
@jondrizzle45542 ай бұрын
Great video That lotus from 86 for me is the greatest looking f1 car of all time
@Sirikazy2 ай бұрын
Your work is the best of KZfaq have. Don't worry the view's are coming.
@markko172 ай бұрын
For me the big "what if" is, what if Chapman hadn't passed away when he did and still been alive in 1985. Chapman and Senna. That would have been quite the combination.
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Sadly it still wouldn’t have likely come to pass. I recommend reading up on the “Delorean Scandal”, with which Chapman was involved. Had he lived, he likely would have been imprisoned for around 10 years for his part in that.
@mushter1711 күн бұрын
@@TheMobileChicaneCame here to say the same. It would have potentially ended Lotus altogether, and the great name may have died with a whimper
@jamesstewart17942 ай бұрын
Damn. That retro Raikkonen line hurt. But truth it speaks.
@joribremer52602 ай бұрын
Good be an idea for next vitdeo, the last years (88-94) of Lotus
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
I had the same idea too!
@zinddy2 ай бұрын
great video, only one issue, your mic is super quiet i can barely hear it, maybe try some programs to increase the DBs, but other than that, the videos are getting better everytime
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for the feedback! From my end, the audio sounds ok (I am listening back through headphones though, so not sure if that makes a difference). I even boosted the audio a little more this time as I know there have been issues with quiet audio in the past. I’ll keep trying and keep improving 🙂
@zinddy2 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicane on computer headphones its fine, on phone headphones its kinda worse, i can hear it slightly but not very well, but as i said, your content is great, keep it up
@trosc2 ай бұрын
Mobile Chicane post, must watch.
@oofyboi53572 ай бұрын
Oh boy, what a video I am going to get myself into.
@kekepiket91533 күн бұрын
I cant blame Warr for his assumptions towards Mansell. Nigel lied to DeAngelis about setup when he knew more, complained about the car , and never took blame for his errors . Just unbelievable.
@webwizard792 ай бұрын
You, Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar 😎 another fantastic piece of content!
@MarkFelix1527 күн бұрын
Amazing video. Would love to see a video on Alain Prost’s time at Renault, and the world championships that went astray in the 1980’s, there’s some crazy stories from that!
@TheMobileChicane27 күн бұрын
Great suggestion!
@rnyellow2 ай бұрын
Forensic but never dull, didn't know so much of this, thank you for creating it
@nikkialo60302 ай бұрын
Great video! It's fascinating how quickly Senna became basically a focal point in F1 and how quickly he learned how to play the game politically. In just two years he was already a top driver. Meanwhile in modern times you have to have at least 3 seasons to actually develop. Was thinking you could do a video on Gilles Villeneuve. Despite him being an undoubted legend. His stint is ultimately really disappointing from a results standard. In my opinion 2 titles definitely escaped him and even more maybe if he survived. + He comes from a really unusual background
@guiwonsikАй бұрын
Well that's a main point on the "senna goat" argument. He really developed in a unbelievable pace. And also, he always had grade A mind games. There's this story: during the pursue to find sponsors for his F1 debut, during a party with a company owner, he guaranteed he "would win in his first season". everyone started laughing, but senna was dead serious. A fact that the OP (this channel owner) should consider on a next video.
@kekepiket9153Ай бұрын
Absolutely , very quickly Senna was considered top driver . However, if you take a look his rivals , it was also true Piquet was fighting for WC in his second full season, Prost as well. The great ones usually very quickly show their talent . Notable exceptions : Mansell and Lauda .
@palm922 ай бұрын
While what Senna did to Warwick was lousy it also must be said Derek passed up the Williams-Honda for Renault. Bad move Derek.
@Stefan8u2 ай бұрын
Brilliant as always. I've no idea how you keep finding all these interesting topics, when no one else can.
@DavidLimofLimReport2 ай бұрын
Every day Mobile Chicane releases a new vid is always a day to celebrate!!!!!!
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thank you, and thank you for your kind post on MGU-H (assuming that is the same David Lim!)
@DavidLimofLimReport2 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicane indeed lol
@A.Santos12 ай бұрын
👀 Of all the 20 poles achieved by Lotus between 1979 and 1994, 16 were set by Senna between 1985 and 1987. His last one was taken at the 1987 San Marino GP, after which a Team Lotus car never started from first place on the grid again. And his last victory at Lotus (Detroit 1987) proved to be the last for that beloved and much-missed team. Cars powered by Renault in 85 (8 cars) and 86 (6 cars) took 16 poles, 15 of them by Senna alone. And 5 victories, 4 of them by Senna alone.
@peekaboo15752 ай бұрын
'Cars powered by Renault in 85 (8 cars) and 86 (6 cars) took 16 poles, 15 of them by Senna alone. And 5 victories, 4 of them by Senna alone.' Damn, now that puts things into perspective, doesn't it?
@Arkham_UK2 ай бұрын
great work
@unusualart20232 ай бұрын
Amazing work once more!
@angus_bangus2 ай бұрын
easily one of your best videos to date! i would love your videos in a podcast format on spotify as well. they’re so well made and so thoughtful. I look forward to each and every one of them. please keep up the amazing work🫡
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I really need to look into the Spotify thing. It’ll happen.. one day 🫡
@insertgenericusernamehere24022 ай бұрын
Snazzy new intro buddy! Sat down with a drink and ready to enjoy an hour of Motorsport history
@MC-le8ie2 ай бұрын
An absolute stunning documentary, highest possible standard…!!! 👍👍👍 😊😊😊 👋👋👋
@albanerobert2 ай бұрын
Brilliant documentary
@TheAlmin2 ай бұрын
This video is amazing keep up the great work
@palm922 ай бұрын
Senna’s ‘85 reliability sort of reminds me of JP Jabouille’s time at Renault - he (Jabouille) only ever scored 3 times. 2 wins, and a 4th.
@l1a1462 ай бұрын
Just a fabulous upload. I enjoyed it very much. Thankyou.
@diegocraigdallie2 ай бұрын
Ohh new intro! Gonna enjoy this one a lot!
@AndreiAndreescu-sv8qv2 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Wonderful view and execution!
@vtm9142 ай бұрын
Such a good video I’m going to have to watch it again.
@RabihSaadguitars2 ай бұрын
Always wondered about the Senna Lotus days.. I mean I watched and read about it, but it wasn't documented as this video is... Thank you for the wonderful upload. Senna Definitely is one of the best, maybe the best F1 driver. We miss the Magic Senna.
@nicholasjohnson67242 ай бұрын
RIP Elio, Elio was the prince of JPS/Lotus in my view.....
@user-zf4uz3hy8z2 ай бұрын
Very ASMR.
@cliffthelightning20 күн бұрын
Elio De Angelis shoutout❤ Underrated imho.
@jdmimportlogistics21 сағат бұрын
Best finish F1 ever just nudging Keke Rosberg at the stunning Osterreichring! Was fortunate to see the Penthouse JPS at the Rolex Heritage Festival Laguna Seca two years ago with a video on my channel. Maybe also the classiest F1 names of all time as well 😂
@KellieLeigh482 ай бұрын
Awesome watch as always Chicane 🎉
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the continued support Kellie! 🙂
@TehMehKehIen2 ай бұрын
If you check the reliability record of Senna up until 1990, it shows that it wasn't luck. He punished his cars beyond the limit. Clark gets praised for how much care he took of his machinery, why shouldn't we apply this level of analysis to the rest? By that, not just praising a Prost for great reliability, but criticise those who pushed the car to breaking point and beyond. I get why Senna is so mystified and beloved, but in this facts are getting twisted and forgotten. Yes, he was the fastest, possibly ever. But faster and best are two separate things. Being consistent, error free, taking care of the car, etc. All those factors really go against Senna, and it's the difference between ranking him as the best ever and imo a more realistic 3rd-4th.
@rasmuswellejus2 ай бұрын
Nicely done ✅
@yvesmija2 ай бұрын
i know it looks bad with having a creative title, but i think having an indicator in the title that this is a video about F1 is necessary so “newer” fans know. i think that might get you more views.
@stuartholland69712 ай бұрын
If only Ayrton had better reliability and yep a slightly better car he’d have I’m sure won world championships between 85 and 88 Senna Sempre ❤️🇧🇷
@joelidiaghe29992 ай бұрын
Hey, just wanted to ask what editing software do you use to create your videos?
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Hi there! I currently use iMovie: mostly because it’s what I’ve used since I was at university so it’s easiest for me. But in the future I hope to switch to Adobe Premiere 🙂
@koenhollander26112 ай бұрын
If you look at the 1987 Lotus you can clearly see how they lagged behind in the development race. A bulky machine, with an outdated high and straight nose-cockpit section compared the much more slick Williams. It always looks like Senna is much higher in the cockpit than Mansell, or Piquet and Prost
@CallumBlyth2 ай бұрын
1:00:22 Goatifi WDC HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOO
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Incoming 4 hour video essay of me manipulating results until Latifi wins a championship
@creepingdread882 ай бұрын
The Renault engine, was powerful, but not fuel efficient. Hence the poles, but not wins. When Lotus used Honda, they were using year old engines. They didn't have any real chance of competing with Williams or McLaren works teams. Senna, was easily the quickest driver of his era. I was a Lotus fan, first and foremost, it was a shame they didn't give Senna the car he deserved.
@daveblock40612 ай бұрын
Senna was NOT denied a win at Monaco in the Toleman. Stefon Bellof was catching him more quickly than he Prost. Without the Red Flag he still would have placed second. but to the Tyrrell instead.
@eduschafer2 ай бұрын
An illegal Tyrrel car that was excluded from the championship later that year, and stripped of every result
@azure616222 ай бұрын
There was Berger also
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Berger, Alboreto, Boutsen, Fabi… so many talented drivers of the 80s!
@MrOrtmeierАй бұрын
My opinion on top drivers of all time: 1. Fangio 2. Jim Clark 3. Senna + Schumacher 4. Prost
@fcjbencard2 ай бұрын
great video wrong as he may have been on other subjects, Warr had a fair point when it came to Senna's culpability for the reliability record of the Renault engines young Senna had a win-or-nothing mentality that produces great wins, what-ifs, but not championships, particularly when you account for the fragility of F1 machinery in the 1980s he was already the quickest driver in F1 by 1985, but the reason drivers like Prost or Piquet (when he thought he could win) were better is that they could grind out great results while nursing their cars to the finish by 1988 Senna had learned from experience (and had the example of Prost on the other side of the garage, as well as McLaren's institutional focus on the longer term picture) and was the full package the interesting what-if would be, what if Williams had been ruthless and ditched Laffite for 1984 to make room for Senna...
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Senna at Williams ten years earlier is definitely an intriguing proposition. You can make an argument he could’ve been champion in 86 or 87. Would Honda have stayed with Honda if they had their favourite son Senna there? Would Senna be able to work with Williams long term, unlike so many others?
@fcjbencard2 ай бұрын
would Honda have been happy by late 1985 to make Senna their number 1 driver and not push to bring in a proven champion in Piquet? because Senna-Piquet, as a teammate combination, with the delicate man-management of Frank Williams, would have gone so toxic that by the end of 1987 the remains of Williams would have needed to be encased in concrete and buried at sea (also, in this parallel universe I think we'd end up remembering Derek Warwick and Nigel Mansell very differently - now those are two very interesting drivers and careers to compare and contrast!)
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree on the Senna/Piquet/Williams concept - that would’ve been a total disaster! 😅
@Sam-rl5hs2 ай бұрын
Make a video of Schumacher's wins in 1996 with a tractor
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
Schumacher at Ferrari from 96-00 would make a great story for sure!
@peromyvi60622 ай бұрын
New intro⁉️⁉️
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
New logo; new intro!
@peromyvi60622 ай бұрын
@@TheMobileChicaneloving it as always, keep it up
@davidmacdonald16952 ай бұрын
This is a fascinating film but a bit too Senna fanboy-esque. Why not ask why De Angelis had vastly superior reliability in an identical car? Surely Senna was breaking the car. He was also using more fuel to get his speed than other drivers, hence the multiple empty tank scenarios? Don't get me wrong, Senna is one of the all-time greats, but I tend to think he is overly eulogised. If we applied the same " perfect season" approach to Mansell, he would have been 4x WDC. Alain Prost possibly 7-8x...
@John-mi2rt2 ай бұрын
Doh. De Angelis was going slower. What good was his 'vastly superior reliability in an identical car'? He still lost to Senna BTW De Angelis had the new more fuel efficient Renault engine at Imola 1985 whereas Senna had to make do with the older engine. Identical, not always.
@bezoekers2 ай бұрын
1️⃣5️⃣...
@kekepiket91533 күн бұрын
Just to say, Keke Rosberg was not at test when Senna ran Wiliams . It is a myth. To be exact , Senna did not ran faster than any of first team drivers in any of the tests . Not Mclare, not Brabham, Not Wiliams . And thats why he was not signed ,
@sambagogo7772 ай бұрын
The greatest F1 driver to have ever lived ...after Jim Clark.
@kodakreeeam99712 ай бұрын
After Prost, after Schumi, after Max, after Kimi, after Alonso, after arguably even Ham tbh.
@thecommission66622 ай бұрын
Clark & Senna would be my top 2.
@TehMehKehIen2 ай бұрын
@kodakreeeam9971 No way Senna is behind Kimi or Alonso (and I thought me putting Alonso as the 7th greatest would be too much for everyone). And too early to put Max above.
@leverage19902 ай бұрын
First!
@leverage19902 ай бұрын
But seriously, it's always a joy when you upload new stuff, can't believe I was actually the first viewer and commenter! (As far as the visible stats can be trusted)
@aydankhaliq29672 ай бұрын
I'm not really a Senna fan, but Senna's time at Lotus is what I want to remember of him. He was still and always an asshole on track but didn't really yap on about politics and spiritualism with the arrogance that he would do when he started winning at McLaren.
@LarsFerdinand2 ай бұрын
I speak Portuguese and you win the prize of the most Moronic comment. Senna's faith was real and WHO ARE YOU to question it? Furthermore, saw interviews with family and stuff, Senna was just a great human being with great values. If you're jealous of it, there's always space to be more like him. Or, you can go the playboy road like Piquet. Either way, ways of being. But you're NO ONE to question his faith. And considering he died first, doing what he loved and managed to do stuff that even today wasn't replicated (i.e. winning with no brakes, winning with only a gear), I tend to be inclined to think that God, whomever it may be, was really besides him.
@aydankhaliq29672 ай бұрын
@@LarsFerdinandI did not question his faith I just didn't care much for it.
@LarsFerdinand2 ай бұрын
@@aydankhaliq2967 You put spiritualism and arrogance in the same sentence. To make matters worse, you said Senna was an a**hole on track when he was just extremely competitive. Now, if I think about Schumacher, for whom I'd have a plethora of examples of being an a**hole on track and winning dirty, I think your words would apply better. But I guess in the end there's some Universe justice in all of it and the end results if we really go out and compare.
@TehMehKehIen2 ай бұрын
@@LarsFerdinand he said spiritualism and arrogance. Two separate things. You're acting as if he said "his arrogant spiritualism".
@aydankhaliq2967Ай бұрын
@@LarsFerdinand I'm sure every racing driver has a competitive spirit, but that doesn't mean we should wreck or sabotage our competitors. It's just plain wrong and at that point, it isn't sport. It's the start of a riot. Rules are there for a reason.
@jimm48672 ай бұрын
15
@TheMobileChicane2 ай бұрын
15?
@birandkoray2 ай бұрын
strongly disagree senna used lotus as a step, he did not try to lift the team, lift himself elio de angelis left because of his attitude, derek warwick was arguably denied by senna for 1986 i think senna caused lotus into descendancy indeliberately , he did not care about lotus btw his attitude is normal, lotus should have handled the situation
@MrBlazemaster5252 ай бұрын
It's alright to admit you're misinformed and/or a know-nothing Lotus were subtly and inexorably already on the downswing when Senna joined seeing as IDK Colin Chapman had died and they weren't able to adequately replace that mind
@birandkoray2 ай бұрын
if they had two strong drivers, they would not collapse, who did not want, senna btw i think senna's attitude is normal, but the team should insist @@MrBlazemaster525
@kodakreeeam99712 ай бұрын
Idk why you even say arguably, he straight up was denied because Ayrton saw him as a threat, crippling the team in the process as they had to make due with two mediocre supports so Senna's feelings didn't get hurt. Guy was fast but his ego was up in the fucking stratosphere, he's probably the most self-centered champion of all time. This whole Senna mysticism is getting really old tbh.
@MrRodzilla2 ай бұрын
its not as good as the benetton legacy of schumacher, senna had to flee to the dominant team to win titles and then fled from them when there was a new dominant team, schumacher made team dominant then went and made another team dominant
@peekaboo15752 ай бұрын
Shumacher wouldn't have achieved anything with a 1988~1993 Lotus, nor would he have had success on the Peugeot-powered McLarens. Schumi was lucky to make the right connections on the Sauber Mercedes sports car effort, and ultimately that's where his success in F1 came from. He does deserve credit for getting those people involved with Benetton and then Ferrari, yes, but if you were to put him in Senna's context, things would be different.
@MrRodzilla2 ай бұрын
@@peekaboo1575 no schumacher would have had success anywhere he went, he tested a ligier for 1 day and went a second faster than panis, good enough for 3rd on the grid at that years portugese gp when schumacher was out with injury his replacement mika salo came in and qualified as low as 18th on the grid in the 1999 ferrari, schumacher came back and put it on pole by a second, so you should look at mika salo's cars that he had in his career and imagine schumacher going at least 2 seconds faster, for example the 2000 sauber schumacher can win a title in that car schumachers success came from being an incredible driver and the people involved with benetton were lucky that schumacher came along, for example 1996 benetton, all the players still involved, race winning drivers involved, schumacher left, the wins left and the team was reduced to nothing
@kodakreeeam99712 ай бұрын
@MrRodzilla OK listen, Schumi is my GOAT and there's no denying he's the best to ever do it, but claiming he'd even get close to a title fight in a Sauber is next level delusion.
@MrRodzilla2 ай бұрын
@@kodakreeeam9971 well salo was on average 0.518 slower than irvine in qualifying and schumacher was 0.947 quicker than irvine in qualifying that season, so lets just assume schumacher could qualify 1.465 faster than salo over the whole season so he gets pole in the 2000 australian gp in the sauber, sauber withdraws from brazil damaging schumachers title bid, schumacher rebounds to qualify 2nd at san marino, 6th in britain, pole in barcelona (i removed schumacher real 2000 barcelona ferrari pole time since there can only be 1 schumacher), 5th in european gp, 4th at monaco, 5th in canada, 2nd in france, pole in austria, 4th in germany, pole in hungary, 9th in belgium, 3rd at monza, 3rd at USA, 8th at suzuka, 5th at malaysia so thats 4 poles, 4 other top 3's and mostly competitive qualifying times, he could win a title with these performances, so whats wrong with this? are you disputing that schumacher can qualify 1.465 quicker than salo over a season? if you think that then you don't know about schumacher, he did more against all his benetton teammates how about we measure how far he was ahead of johnny herbert and then do the same for any of herberts old cars, like the 1996 or 1997 sauber, schumacher would definitely win the title in the 1999 stewart
@user-kj2wt8bu9f2 ай бұрын
There's no blue in Sennas helmet.. what is he talking about? 0:22
@EnfvntTerrible2 ай бұрын
bad bait or just colour blind? 🤨The second band under the green is a dark blue and there's also lighter blue stripes bordering the green and dark blue bands...its even stated on McLarens website in a tribute article to him.
@user-kj2wt8bu9f2 ай бұрын
@@EnfvntTerrible wow.. dude. ok. Didn't know that. But it certainly is NOT visible in any video of Ayrton in action that I know of, tbh. I don't even see it when looking at high res pics of his helmets, so still odd to describe the helmet with those colors that's it ;)