I don't even care if they all die, it's just so damn satisfying that they both _know_

@@a.b.6689 it be like that

DUDE WHAT EPISODE WAS THAT I CAN'T FIND IT

@@ghostofanant Timestamp 4:28 in this Episode

out of all of them i think i like her the least, just because of how cruel she is/was in her job, but "bastard icon" is a perfect way to sum her up, and man do i respect that

her statement perfectly sums up her character

I thought she was...murdering a water bottle or something

1: Rusty Quill Hearted this comment, 2: YES, that is most defiantly her preping a gun.

he's so oblivious?! "oh it's nothing" BRO HE LIKES YOU

I mean that, and pretty much outing him yeah

"Which I'm not sure is t-t-NECESSARY or t-CONDUSIVE" Bud no it's very true, Martin likes you a whole lot my man.

i don't think he fully believes it in this but ohohoho i definitely think he was flustered regardless

​​@@rorygiambalvo2955 bet elias was watching and muttering "it kinda is actually" & has flashbacks of how fast and accurately martin works whenever Jon asks

Still true as frick

What did I ever fricking do to this guy - the audience

😂

mate he's oblivious to anything that touches relationship, have you seen his reaction to the """""office gossip"""""???

Jon is an oblivious dorky acearo icon

this was my exact thought as well

@@Manu-yw2nu He's not aro but he is ace

Wait, I've definitely seen you pfp before🤔 do you make comments on the tma channel often?

It's getting annoying actually. This was once about horror stories, that were actually good. Then it shifted to romance bs.

@@peacebuddha96I don't blame you for disliking the romance stuff, but that isn't really what changed the series. The world-building and the character development has been taking time away from the individual horror stories. The romance is only a small part of that. The fandom in the comments section just really likes to latch on to that aspect.

it breaks your heart doesnt it. and the fact that he hates us for watching passively

Yeah it really hurts to see him like this

It hurts as hell dude.

'Statement of Joe Spooky regarding sinister happenings'

That it hurts is why it's best to avoid talking about it... :/ Far better to talk about the cuteness.

honestly though i'm sure half of us were also like "web! web Martin!!" XD

@@b-blythe6763 yeah i have to admit when martin said 'web' i stopped what i was doing in shock

When he said web my eyes opened so quickly and I was like MARTIN NO-

Genuinely laughed out loud at this part

OMG SAME 😭🥺

yup.. x3...... v.v he... he Had to have fallen for one of the most foolhardy dudes in all of history, didn't he?

Same ;-;

Yeah ngl it made me really soft as well

@@cupcaketv5673 Same, though I’m sure it made someone here hard.

he even followed it up with an "I guess"!!! for real!!! like... dude.....

I CARE FOR ALL MY COWORKERS... Jon 🥺🥺🥺 and the... uh... others too i guess

@@lilaboxx I want Martin to disappear from this show because he’s suddenly been courted by Zac Effron and they’re off traveling the world or something. He’s so sweet to Jon and Jon doesn’t deserve him 😭🥺

@@timmagness7949 nooo, Jon tries his best and everyone is just bullying him at this point

"I guess"

I caught that on my second listen. AWWWWW.

Amen, bro.

none of those words are in the bible. amen

@@hitrow2099 hi jerma

@@skullsnbones_ hi paradoxrot_

"'Good lord is Martin becoming some sort of spider person?', no, Jon, it's an expression chill out." Djsjjejdjdks

@@c.r.4985 the way he said "good lord!" had me in stitches

yeah i kept rewinding that part XD it was so perfect

I feel like we're all avatars of The Sad at this point :((

@@pathe8519 aye too real

I dunno, Tim's feeling kinda Desolation-y, with the whole, "I hurt so I'll make others hurt" thing.

@@SwirlyPinwheel having listened to the rest of it, all I'm gonna say is hold your wig

I feel like Tim may be the end or the lonely

It seems to physically pain him to the point he's almost incapable of doing it.

That's exactly how i felt too x))

like bro im sorry im listening in i can't help it

YEP

Yeah...

I felt it OH BELIEVE me a felt it! But at the same time, he finally got to make a choice, after having been trapped in this job for now year's, he finally got to choose what HE wanted..... But he totally still should have just gone to therapy..... as everyone else should😅

It really is ;-;

Yeah...

I miss Joe Spooky :(

He was so happy in s1 and he deserves better... 🥺😭

@@lilaboxx It was a bit of a mask wasn't it ? He had already lost his brother... But at this point he has lost hope too, I guess

@@macabrecitrus2127 i thought that he was doing a little better because he got along much better with Jon and Sasha was still there and that after s2 he felt a lot worse

@@lilaboxx Yeah he definitely was doing better before ! All I'm saying is that some sadness was already here...

"yet" plzz ;~;

In a way, it feels like the opposite of what Jon becoming a monster would mean. He's the Avatar of the Beholder, meaning he feeds it with knowledge. Gerard, as Jon said, is a fountain of knowledge at his fingertips. Yet he still defies his patron and burns the page.

@King of Poliwhirls I love this detail especially because you can HEAR Jon hurting from burning the page. He's hurting for getting rid of endless knowledge and The Eye hurts him because it hurts to lose that page. This series is too much 😭

* Despite everything, he's still him.

“Yet”

it's a mood, tho

she is the girl we all need tbh

I'm so mixed about Melanie because on the one hand like I get it but the other hand I'm so scared of the fact that she's dead set on killing Elias after all he's said about all of them dying. Like,,, with everything else going on it just doesn't make sense and it wouldn't help and I get it she's traumatised obviously cause Elias is a d*ck but it really puts me on edge.

Melanie kind of annoys me. She is angry and feels so betrayed. But she was pretty much the only one who was warned before she became part of the archives AND had a choice. And yes, Elias is a dick, but she tried to kill him multiple times before he really did anything to her. And as the only one with any knowledge before choosing she still thinks herself the most cheated. Sigh... Honestly, holding on to anger over a long time always kind of confused me in general. Anger is an defensive 'emotion' (or more precily: a reaction), when you can't confront your real feelings, because vulnerability, fear or hurt often are petrifying emotions, and you often have them in situations that (make you feel you) need you to be active. But holding on to that, means staying in denial while keeping the want to directionless destroy things (and hurt people) around you activ. Yes, these emotions are difficult to process, I get that. And, yes, it takes time. But your a grown up, so take responsibility for yourself!

I think people often forget that she's being influenced by the Slaughter as we speak. It's not that obvious at the start, but the fact that she mentioned about her anger at the same time as she gave her statement about the ghost bullet on her leg is not a coincidence. Of course she wants to kill Elias and of course she knows it will kill everyone. And what does Slaughter does? KILL EVERYONE

I think people often believe that she CHOSE to join the institute when that's flat out not the case. To me, it has always seemed obvious that she was compelled to join. That, to me, explains a lot of her anger.

​@@PedroKing19Does Elias also have the ability to compel people? Cause this is my first run on the podcast and I remember both Tim and Martin telling her it's a bad idea to join as soon as Elias made the offer but she just seemed to ignore it. Then she went on but hurt that people weren't happy she was there after they told her she shouldn't have joined. Then she blamed John about her being stuck there when that whole happened while he was MIA at the institute. Its kinda why I'm still heavily on the fence about her. Also I feel like if Elias could've just compelled her then he would've done that again instead of traumatizing her into submission.

Jerry's page?

@@caseygrothe3791 I think it's because he was destroying knowledge, which is not what the Eye does.

@@mimkyodar Either that or its the Desolation and the reminder of the pain in his hand after getting burned.

@@coffeewolfproductions9113 I actually immediately started wondering if he was holding it with his burned had, and thought: John! Dropp it before you burn you're hand again! 😅

@@azulBjort_1406 AKFJAKCJDR Yeah I can see that XD

Right? You forget what it was like to not Hurt

oh yeah it's such good writing

He had to COMPEL HIMSELF to do it. Still human despite the powers.

Really? Shouldn't it be "George Lead Pipe?"

@@vivecthepoet36 Or "George Extended Sounds of Brutal Pipe Murder"? edit: iTs a fAmiLy nAmE

@@vivecthepoet36 bit on the nose, i think

yeah i was thinking the same thing!

@@vivecthepoet36 OMG NOOOO

Stop implying that Tim could break through my wall every second to violently slaughter me with his axe

@@cae2212 oh god oh fuck

First it was ghosts, now it’s spiders🤣🤣🤣

For a second I thought there was another "patron" called 'i dunno' lol

basira is just the one normal person among the bunch of freaks

Yeah and also that one dude had that creepy conversation with Martin, the Lukas one, and Brasira also had a run in with the darkness guy too but I don’t know these are just observations. I don’t really think Martin fits the web but I’m not really sure cause he isn’t really scared of spiders.

I think Basira goes with The Dark, 'cause it's pretty much the reason why she ended everything with the police and ended up working in the archives

Yeah... After much deliberation I would have to agree with peach here. Especially because from all I cam gather, the Dark feeds on faith, and Basira still has a bit of Muslim left in her despite all that's going on around her, as evidenced by ep121 when she gets irritated when Georgie calls the fears "Gods"

Kinda like an interim manager who everybody's super pissed at but they have no real power bc the Boss is actually the one pulling the strings. To be fair Jon's p much left them to their own defices (again, not his fault!)

I feel like the only person that's actually doing it baselessly is Basira. Tim was getting stalked by jon in S2 and by season 3 is basically just about off the deep end, and Melanie's got a slaughter bullet inside of her, but Basira is kinda just... a bitch. She can tolerate daisy, but not jon when hes starting to go through the same thing she did.

​​​​​@@DJSilly9Basira's hypocrisy is something that season 5 tries to deal with but never really succeeds at. She needed to acknowledge her own culpability and enabiling of Dasiy but never got a chance to as they barreled toward the finally. I would have appreciated a few more episodes with Basira instead of Georgie, Melanie, and their sycophants, personally. It's Melanie's constant refusal to take responsibility for her own choices while blaming Jon that really sours me on her. Slaughter influenced her but she made _choices_ , just like all the other characters, but is the only one who tries to excuse them by blaming others (namely Jon). The theme of the series is free will and choice. Melanie in my opinion shows what happens when we shirk responsibility for our choices. She ends up blind.

yet another reason martin is my favorite character

Rami Koh I never hated Melanie. I actually really liked her, but after this episode it all goes down the drain. No one at the Institute is having a good time but I feel like she’s blaming other people, mostly Jon, for her mistakes. She really needs to get over herself and stop complaining so much.

@@dracorei5143 y'all b feelin real stupid right about now XD

WeAreAirborne Why? Because she hurt herself? I’m glad she’s out of the Institute. I hope she’s barely in season 5 if she’s in it at all.

@@dracorei5143 she was literally shot with an Anger Bullet my mans, the antagonism was HUGELY due to supernatural interference and the rest due to a traumatic imprisonment in a shockingly dangerous workplace, u know? u don't have to like her as a character, but she wasn't intentionally being horrible to anyone, u feel me? sis was going thru it

@@dracorei5143 she was literally marked by the slaughter. She has as much control over her anger as Helen has in being creepy or Jon has on reading statements

A half?

@@mackenziedillon295 Martin is worth more than one person, we love him

i actually dont understand why they dislike jon at all actually???? Seems like everyones just throwing the blame on him for things he has little control over

@@SS-kv3iw He did feed the Eye at first. Like he had some awareness of when he would Compel people. But I feel like that's not the reason at all why people don't like him. And he's been trying really hard lately. So really it all seems misplaced. People blame Jon for THEIR OWN decisions.

I really want Jon to have more friends T-T

Fauxshadowing

SAME, i just love them so much omg

OP ARE YOU OK AFTER 179 HOW DO YOU FEEL

@@drorey9437 I'm really happy you weren't more specific. Now I'll be at the edge of my seat waiting for one of them to die or for them to kiss.

@@nanusantos1696 tell me how that goes when you get there! I wanna hear your reaction!!

same

OH SHIT

Yeah. Everything about Melanie from the first episode she's in is Slaughter influenced. It's only on a relisten you get it but her trip to The Cambridge Military Hospital, the train yard and Indian are ALL Slaughter manifestations. The first statement she reads is Slaughter. This episode statement alludes to her association with the Slaughter.

And you will _never_ go to a wax museum and see it the same way again 😂. TMA does things to you.

the little "i guess" at the end was hilarious

The “I guess” but with a question mark at the end

Help where does this meme come from

@@catdn7011 tumblr circa 2015 or 16

Martin is legitimately _in_ love with Jon at this point. It's gone beyond crush and office 'thing'. It's now in Jon's court if _he_ feels the same.

Practically half the comments here are about Martin being marked by the Web. Basically becoming a spider person.

I fully agree. Daisy and Melanie are difficult. Amazing series regardless.

Frick Daisy

I mean, sure, the way Jon was adamant that Martin should stay behind before Elias was just a part of their cunning plan, but on the other hand - _somebody_ came up with that plan in the first place, and also Martin _did_ stay out of mortal peril as a result! He's such a smart boy, our Jon, I love him

BROOO

@@kamkazymyriv5254 Are you doing a re-listen? I had completely forgotten I thought about this lol

@@moonevangelista nah its my first time, I’m just dumb and can’t remember anything

@@kamkazymyriv5254 Oh!!! I hope you have a great listen then!! ✨

Yeah. Martin basically confirms he's _in_ love with Jon here.