It makes perfect sense. After all, dogs don’t use ‘positive reinforcement only’ to correct each other so why would we think it would work when humans use that approach. 🤷🏼‍♀️

It's interesting that you make a comparison to raising kids. I am a kindergarten teacher and have seen first-hand what the so called "stress-free" upbringing does to children. They basically grow up disoriented and often end up behaving in antisocial ways, not because they are mean, but because they were taught that everything they do, every impulse they want to follow is great and that the others - originally the parents - will just remove any obstacle from their lives. They have no frustration tolerance, very little self-regulation and very low resilience, because they never had to deal with stressful situations and could never develop the coping stategies in the first place. Then they get into the peer group and get a lot of negative reinforcement from other kids, who understandably don't treat them like princes and princesses. Then the stress is even bigger, because they cannot understand what is going on and are often years behind in the development of both social skills and stress resilience. Now, in pedagogy we differentiate between punishment and a consequence, punishment being arbitrary and based on one person having more power than the other and consequence being tied directly to the behavior - for example, if they keep knocking down another child's block tower, they have to leave the construction corner and can only come back if they stop the behavior. Still, it's an aversive situation to the child, it sets a boundary and forces them to forgo own pleasure for the sake of being social and respecting the other child. It does cause them stress and it is a use of force - they have to leave the corner, if they don't or keep knocking down the tower, as some kids with powerful personalities will do, they have to be physically removed from the situation. Now, this all happens within a wider context of a relationship, which is based on mutual trust and respect and the child is helped to deal with the negative emotions coming from the situation, so that they can rejoin the play and have fun afterwards. But if this boundary is never set, if they never feel the negative consequence of the behavior, they will keep doing the unwanted behavior, because the feeling of power over others, the power to make them feel bad and cry, is innately reinforcing to the child - feeling strong feels good. I had two-year olds sitting or lying on top of smaller kids, pinning them down to make them cry and enjoying it. I did not take them to the side and give them candy in the vicinity of the other kid, that would be absurd. I worked on setting boundaries and encouraging empathy, helping them develop prosocial ways of being strong, and these kids grew up to be well-socialized leaders of their peer groups. And yes, I will throw in the D-word - some kids are temperamentally more dominant than others, it's natural variation. They need a lot of discipline to channel that tendency in a pro-social way and boy, believe me when I say, it makes the adult sweat to help them do that. Not unlike battling this malamute sometimes... :)

I think y'all really need to hear this: *Positive Reinforcement =* You give something TO your Dog. Something they like. *Negative Reinforcement =* You REMOVE something unpleasant FROM your Dog. *Positive Punishment =* You APPLY something unpleasant TO your Dog. *Negative Punishment =* You TAKE AWAY something good FROM your Dog. (Basically: Can have -- Don't have. > Can have -- Can't have.) *Rewards can =* Food. Toys. Play. Petting. Fun activities. ANYTHING THE DOG ENJOYS. *Punishment can =* Removal of play. Removal of fun. Pressure. Shrill, sudden noises. The element of surprise. Vibrations. A squirt from a Spray-Bottle. Ignoring your Dog. Standing still. Etc etc etc! Lastly, *the WRONG kind of Punishment =:* Anything which inflicts _physical pain_ on your Dog. To which, we can ALL agree is a bad & terrible way of Training any animal!!!

As a future puppy parent, I came across this video after trying to understand what positive reinforcement even is. I’m gonna be getting an American cocker spaniel and I have been told that they are considered very sensitive dogs and I have been concerned how I will train my dog adequately without instilling fear. I want my dog to behave because they want to not because they fear me. I thought positive reinforcement training was the way to go but this video really put it into perspective. I will be mindful what kind of training classes they have in my area, so I don’t pay for a training program that is doomed to fail. Thanks a lot for your input!

It all stems down to people who think saying no is mean. They think a slight raised voice or a slight collar correction is mean. It’s absolutely not mean. It does not hurt the dog. Ofcourse they don’t like either reaction, but a little pain now can prevent a ton of pain later on. I have a friend with 2 Great Danes that are out of control. They don’t even know basic commands. They jump, scratch and mouth anyone who comes over. The first time she took them to the vet they bolted from her car and ran across a highway. They had no recall and wouldn’t come to her. I offered to help her train them but they would be corrected. She didn’t like that and said it’s mean. Well then you’re stuck with being a prisoner to out of control dogs and never being able to have anyone over your house. No rules, guidance or boundaries are abuse, it’s absolutely not love.

I watched some positive reinforcement only you tube channels before getting my puppy, and all I could think of was how am I going to feed my dog all these treats without making her obese? Glad I found your channel. So true about their intense anger towards Cesar Millan! I have yet to see one of them save a dog labeled as aggressive from being put to sleep, using only positive reinforcement. Still waiting. ⏰

I actually got into an argument with a friend who has an extremely overweight corgi with repeated aggression tendencies that has been fed with positive only treats about my leash corrections which were deemed “harsh” and “abusive” in his words. But the thing is, my dog was listening after those corrections and he’s doing much better on walks - gradually improving while my friend’s corgi is still at square one with aggression. Positive reinforcement training works for some instances, and not so much when it comes to leash walking with distractions for my dog. His attention just goes anywhere but me until he receives a correction. Balanced training works and every breed of dog learns differently. Just disappointing to hear from the all-positive people that one-size shoe type of training fits all breeds of dogs.

Plus with my son's pit bulls, they aren't so into food as a reward. Their favorite reward is action! A tumble, a good fast walk, a wrestle on the bed, a game of tug or throwing around something heavy, like a small tire. What if two or three big guys like that ended up counter surfing & didn't care about treat - fueled "positive reinforcement"? What would positive reinforcement people recommend then? We've had 2 labs that counter surfed only when no one was around. A friend had Dobermans that wanted to eat stuff they weren't supposed to - like leather furniture - when people went to work. In both cases, we bought small mousetraps to place on counter / new leather sofa respectively. Those traps were nowhere near big enough to snap a big dog's schnoz. They were sensitive enough to make a huge snap (!!) 🎉 & pop up in the air when disturbed. In both cases, upon arrival home, both of our families found big doggies avoiding the area like it's possessed. 😂. No one hurt in the least bit. We left the mousetraps up that week,maybe they got sprung once more. Now, if we suspect someone's forgotten their counter surfing lesson, we don't even set the traps. Putting a mousetrap on the counter is enough to remind the dog. He can smell it. The behavior won't occur again for months. Same thing works for trash can foraging, back yard hole digging, some other things that happen when mom & dad are at work. 😊😮😊

You can prevent undesired behaviors from happening in the first place. Positive reinforcement is not ignoring the undesired behavior and reinforcing the desired behavior, that is a total myth created by Victoria Stillwell. As you said, most undesired behaviors are self-reinforcing/ inherently reinforcing, so the more the dog rehearses the undesired behavior the more likely the dog will do it in the future. So in clicker training, you create a prevention where the dog is not rehearsing the undesired behavior. So because the behavior is not getting rehearsed, it is not getting reinforced, so then you teach an alternate behavior, something the could do, and you reinforce that. So the undesired behavior is not getting reinforced, and the alternate behavior is getting reinforced, the undesired behavior slowly fades away. It is called extinction I think, I am not quite sure. ( Sorry for my English lol )

Thank you for not backing down on this subject. Realistic training for real dogs with real people vs it looks good to people to say only positive reinforcement training, so no one gets hurt feelings. I've been behind the scenes with trainers who SAY they use positive reinforcement ONLY training, and none of them are successful in following that 100% of the time, lest they turn away all the dogs who already have issues. Seriously 😳

this is one of the best explanation videos and is even more relevant in today's dog training environment. you should re-release it somehow (maybe with a prolog of the current insanity of internet criticism of balanced dog trainers). keep it up. you're 100% rational and correct, as always.

There's a great video called "Experienced mother dog teaches her puppies a lesson in patience." I encourage everyone to watch it. It shows exactly how dogs communicate with each other. Hint: Momma dog doesn't use treats. In that video, momma dog is being jumped on by her puppies. She issues a verbal command, a bridge, if you will, then gives physical corrections. Physical corrections are a natural, instinctual way dogs communicate. Using a balanced method that includes negative stimuli is just talking to your dog in its own language, and that's why it works so well: your dog actually understands you.

this video is exactly what i was looking for. i've had issues with my GSD, who is 5, up until about a year ago. destructive, sometimes aggressive, all the negatives. I was scratching my head with what was wrong. separation anxiety? bad training? i completely lost hope in this dog. i went online to ask for opinions because i was absolutely losing it. of course with that, i was being called a shit dog owner, that i need to surrender the dog because I was at fault for her behavior. i didnt know what to do, i did EVERYTHING by the book. she's been to the vet, i resorted to CBD oil and then finally medicating her with benadryl because i just had no answers anymore. I got to thinking, she has been through obedience training, she works well on the farm with my family and i, WHAT could it possibly be? and it hit me: she has never been taught consequences. sure, she listens, sits, stays, lays down etc very well. she is obedient. however, she never learned the true nature of consequence. so after a year of working with her, after a year of teaching these consequences, i can confidently say i have a very well rounded dog, much like Prince. the problem with dog owners today is they treat their dogs like human children. that in itself does not meet the needs, wants or requirements of what a dog is...a dog. yes, respect an animal, but to raise a functional animal, they NEED to learn consequences. I'm all for positive reinforcement...for training. to get a high-quality companion, they need to have consequences. it's structure.

THANK YOU . The Positive training method goes against all rules of Common Sense! I took 2 classes at Petsmart (it was a good experience and I'm glad I did it) but I was dismayed at the "non punishment" style~I think these classes are made so that you have to keep coming back (about $100 a pop). Major problems were not addressed and the positive training methods did not work. Everything is so PC now and it's ridiculous with these so called "trainers" and just terrible about how they have shouted their idiocy over what they call the bad "dominant training dog style". People view little me walking two shepherds calmly everyday in the neighborhood as a unicorn~how do you get them to walk so nicely and be so polite? Well, it was not through the "positive training method"~

Nailed it! I love when my dog responds well to positive reinforcement but with a bullie type dog I’m always on alert to stop lunging, jumping, counter surfing 😎, etc. I try to be attentive to Bailey’s attitude and determine the reward or “punishment”... I appreciate your work.

I think you hit on a real point about the anger. It takes real self control to administer punishments without anger associated. I think a lot of positive only trainers link the two (punishment and anger) which does result in bad outcomes.

Loving your channel started using your way yesterday after binge watching my walk was almost great stopped the sniffing at a 100 miles a hour also my girl had a go at a motorcycle while waiting at lights got into my stand as you explain gave her a good correction then a sit with a leave it she listened normally I would pull her away with embarrassment if I can get that to work on a 3 yr old GSD also a first time owner and to top that I am 70 so carry on making this great work thank you

I’ve been using positivity for months as soon as they want what they want all bets are off I totally agree and it’s for the dogs own good to respect you no matter what it takes

once again, busting the myth costing dog owners a fortune while getting poor results when seeking help. The reinforcement only folks favorite tactic is to make the excuse when it does not work to say, you just need more time and pay for more classes.. Eventually it will work... as your wallet gets thinner and they hear the cash register go ding. Great points sir!

The first trainer got hired for my adopted American bully who would get frustrated and be aggressive told me to give her up because she wouldn't be fixed with me and she needs a behaviorist. I think she just said that because after constant trying to get my dogs attention she nipped her on her stomach with her teeth and barked showing teeth and she couldn't deal with her. Stopped the positive training and did corrections and that put my dog in her place. Now she is great and although I can see her get frustrated still I correct that immediately with a Cesar Millan tap and puts her back into focus.

I appreciate your approach so much! It makes sense to me. When I adopted my 2 year old pitbull I enrolled him in group training. I knew nothing about training, but watching the trainer talking baby talk in a squeaky voice to my 70 lb pitbull made no sense to me. I intuitively felt that he would interpret it as submission. I felt that I needed to be the leader so I began to speak to him in an authoritative low voice. I did not ask my dog for anything, I told him what I expected from him. When I removed my dog from the class and told my trainer that I disagreed with his approach, at least for my dog, it struck a nerve with him and he accused me of being abusive towards my dog! Now, after 8 years, my dog and I are very much in tune and he tries to obey me. No squeaky voice, no treats, just positive reinforcement. it's different.

Thank you for this. I do see a lot more of angry criticizing with positive reinforcement only groups on Facebook and it’s like yikes!! And then with all those rude comments, it’s just like time to leave that group. Dogs are like kids, they need discipline and treats just do not always work. Some dogs aren’t food motivated either, especially in certain situations even for food motivated dogs. Certain distractions are more motivating than any food I can offer. So positive only just doesn’t work. Balanced works.

Hey Joel. If you ever read this comment, I just had something interesting I thought I'd like to share with you. I replied to a question on the dog training forum on reddit recommending your loose leash training method and youtube channel. To my surprise I got a reply from a moderator within 10 minutes saying basically I need to read the rules and that anything other than positive reinforcement is not allowed because positive training is 100% effective as a solution for all problems. Including problems relating from loose leash walking, humping and dog poo eating. Of course, my post got deleted by the moderator. I never thought reddit would censor anything other than positive reinforcement yet here I am sharing this surprise. The positive reinforcement community sure is powerful. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Your training method definitely goes against the mainstream positive training message but please never stop making such useful content. I just wish people would apply what they learned in universities to dog training. Keep an open mind. Read more, learn more and make your own informed decision instead of being spoonfed just 1 message and accepting it as the absolute truth in error. That's what I have done to make an informed decision and my conclusion is your method works. Positive only training does not. Love you Joel! Thank you for everything. ❤

Thanks for another viewpoint. We want to do right by our new puppy. He is awesome and intelligent. We want a nice dog to be around who makes good decisions most of the time. We slso don't believe in being PEZ dispensers. You have an excellent approach and a great way of conveying your knowledge.

Your methodology is so clear, applicable and practical. Thank you for making so many awesome videos!

Brilliant as always.

I like your real world help and making things attainable with your dog! 👍

There's no way I wouldn't use punishment in training. Dogs absolutely have to know that a negative, unsafe, damaging behavior is unacceptable the moment they start into it.

I appreciate your channel. Finding the balance in dog training is not easy. There is certainly a level of correction in dog training that amounts to abuse and a level of positivity that for me is unproductive. Thirty years of rescuing dogs from kill shelters taught me a lot and so did reading and studying other trainer’s methods. It is worth considering the fact that the goal is to keep the dog in his home and to keep the family safe with the dog in the home.

Dogs thrive on a pack environment. Where there is an authoritative figure who provides the balance of discipline, safety, feeding, and bonding. Behavior amongst canines has allot of corrections and boundaries. Anyone who takes the responsibility to raise or care for a pet, need to aware and willing to take the mantle of the "boss/alpha" role. To ensure a balance and happy life for the pet. This gentlemen is the real deal when approaching and solving negative manners and promoting a healthy dog temperament.

Absolutely love your work. Wish you all the best success. Maybe I retire soon and take your course. Helping people with dog training can actually, as you said, make the world a better place because not only do you learn something to make your dog a better citizen but very much of it carries over into other things such as children. Malinois showing up in shelters now because folks don't think about what they're getting. People getting Cane Corso's and not realizing how much dog that is and how big a responsibility it is to control and train it. A dog that strong could do immeasurable damage to someone, we've all heard the stories.

Not only does "positive-only" training not work to have a perfectly well-behaved dog, it's also just creepy. Some of the most die-hard positive trainers, like Zak George for example, give off this weird toxic positivity vibe that is unnerving. It's not normal to be like that. It's okay to express your disapproval of things sometimes and let your dog know it's doing something wrong. The world isn't going to end because you express a stern emotion.

Absolutely no lies told. The purely positive stuff always felt a little hollow and fell short of full solutions for challenging behaviours

Thank you! We are getting a puppy in a couple weeks and I have spent countless hours watching positive reinforcement training vids. I have 4 kids.. so I know that purely positive training doesn't work. So glad I came across your channel. It's more balanced and realistic, we are confident that we now have a good foundation to begin our journey. Keep the vids rolling. 🙂

Some online article and people said that dominance, being stern and having strict discipline to your dog is antiquated and they EMPHASIZED positive reinforcement as much as possible. Im here coz im having doubts bout the methods. Im slowly starting to notice my puppy is acting spoiled, it’s not funny anymore especially when it’s an aggressive rough-biting-play towards other smaller puppies and kids

You cannot reward a child with M&M's for behavior that is unacceptable. Since half of the issues stem from the human influence and the lack of regard of discipline in the home, that goes without saying it doesn't have to be label "mean", life is not always kumbaya. Ignorance is the highest form of leadership especially when dogs are jumping demanding of eye contact because casual dog handlers over use that as communication hence the dog's stemming behavior. As you say they must understand there are rules and punishments or they will continue to practice a behavior to the point where a professional such as ourselves is required. Great video!

This video starts good but the last few minutes are outstanding...🎉❤

Just going to say one thing, even though this video is very old, training methods should be tuned and scaled based on the dog and behavior that is being targeted. Proper use of a shock collar is going to be less harmful and less traumatic then the pop of a leash depending on the individual performing the training and the dog in question. On top of that some dogs simply do not respond to the shock collar (e-collar) at all given a high enough positive stimulus. This is seen with trained service (bite trained) dogs all the time where the shock collar becomes ineffective. Physical means then are required to stop the dog. But it all comes down to the trainer and how it is used. E-collars have been and are still used extremely effectively in bird dog trainings with no ill effects. Everyone should be training with the intention that positive punishment not be used in the end product but as you yourself have said, stopping behaviors is impossible without some sort of punishment in most cases. If you are competing with a bred dogs prey drive an e-collar may be a good option. But all training, no matter the operant conditioning region it is in, is going to be dependent on the specific trainer implementing that. And some things are easy to overdo or underdo when training goes your dog. Such as “lighting them up” with a collar when a vibration is all that would be required to realign their attention. My 2 cents. You don’t have to agree but the best dog trainers are incorporating every aspect of operant conditioning into each animal/client to find the most effective and fastest approach to solve a particular problem or teach a specific behavior.

I have a rescue chow 2 yrs old. I don’t think his previous owner walked him. He was all over the place and pulled. Horrible! I used your correction technique and he walks with me 95% better. Thank you. I will also continue to work with him about leash reactivity toward small dogs. Thank you for your videos. 🙏. Oh by the way my dog has no interest in treats when walking.

i agree you need to use positive and negative { punishment } to many ppl think you just need to let a dog be a dog , bs .

I could never fully teach my dog to go on walks but I made some progress. Whenever he pulled, I corrected until he came back and sat down. I remember one time, it took me nearly one hour to just go up the street. It worked. The dog became calmer, didn't pull so much, but only with me.

using a e collar is not only used for positive punishment you can use it for negative reinforcement

Thanks

Rational and natural. The way God made it to be. Thank you!

I appreciate your methods. Thank you again.

spot on ... 100% agree

I totally get that dogs aren't kids, all that. But something similar to the 'positive reinforcement' dynamic happened to my physically agile, athletic son, who is pretty bright. He noticed super early in life that EVERYONE got blue ribbons for EVERYTHING, even when they quite obviously didn't 'get it' or obviously lost a game. That dynamic really messed him up for a long time, creating a smart, but bored guy. He didn't bother trying after a while. I didn't understand it well enough then, but yes, duh, why try harder, why make the effort to do your best when everyone gets rewarded anyway? A kid's mind has to mature a lot to understand why he should go the extra mile in the face of that. A smart, bored , active kid is a bad combination in school. Wish i was stronger about voicing that to school authorities when i was a young Mom. Same idea, i believe. There are times in life everyone learns when they lose a little, suffer a little. Everybody watching learns, too. Multi dog families with one counter surfer will have 3 counter surfers by the end of the week if they don't get on that

Love it

Instead of using the word “punishment” use the word “correction” and everyone is happy. 😂

Joel, you might create less resistance if you referred to “punishments” as “consequences, because it seems more accurate. Extreme actions, like heavy use of a shock collar, that is punishment. I really like your approach, and it’s helped our 8-mo old spaniel puppy become a more solid citizen. If we can successfully navigate through this teen fear phase, I think we’ll win. Keep the videos coming. Very helpful!

Joel, I have shared your KZfaq videos with so many people. You are fantastic. Patricia Hunter

I’ve never been concerned about a dog who’s master dominates them when necessary, but I’ve seen so many people with pos rein dog training who’s dogs end up nurotic and desperate for attention and praise… sometimes to the point of being dangerous

I went with my young dog to a trainer here in my village in germany. I did not know about the different methods and did not yet come across your videos (sadly). Now I know, that this trainer was one of these "positive reinforcement" people. And it did not work at all! She never actually, looking back, told me HOW to fix pulling and such. Only to overwhelm my dog with treats when he does not pull. But how to get him there...well :D I followed your method now, my dog is 3 1/2 years old and it worked after a few corrections. Interestingly, i remember one time while having a private session with her, on a walk with my dog, she even stepped on his paws to "correct" him. Which seemed overly harsh, especially considering her positive philosophy.

The last “force free” trainer I talked to recommend to me, without even meeting my dog first, that I should put my dog on anti anxiety meds and that I might just have to accept that I’ll always have an anxious/aggressive dog... and then she tried to charge me $60 for that advice... NO THANKS!

my son ran in front of a speeding truck. I calmly walked over there and carried his injured body to the hospital and he got better. now every time he is around a footpath I follow him, dropping treats and saying YES! when he doesnt walk in front of a speeding truck. Good Son!! drop a treat. he decides to take a taxi to school, i follow the taxi and drop treats into his taxi window saying "very good boy! such a good son!"

I’m so glad you said that when they put the leash on that choke collar that’s a punishment

Great desk! Lol thumbs up to the video too 👍

I don’t understand the hostility that comes from many here towards +R training. Of course it can be done badly as balanced training can too. But both methods can be trained very well. Just aim to be a better trainer and better at understanding your dog. They weren’t born to obey you. It should be about gaining a great connection with your dog and enjoying time with them.

Brilliant explanation!

It’s does take patience. Not every one can do it.

How about if the dog is scared and becomes reactive,shaking and barking, when they meet another dog, could a bit of treat help that is not a bad thing, as oh I see a dog i get a treat, I am fine, I am not scared,maybe not to overdo, I definitely used both of your methods of getting out of the door, and apply a bit o pressure to the leash if my dog get to ahead of me, and also turn away to reduce that excitement

you know what happened when i used positive only training with my terrier and his counter surfing? he started doing it when I was out of the room. sure, it can SOMETIMES limit the behavior when you are around but the moment you leave its all going to shit. so now I have to put a plate of some really yummy fragrant food on a table, leave the room with a camera set up and use an e collar the moment he puts his paws up.

I remember when I taught my dog where to release himself. Since then, whenever he did it, he came to us, wagging his tail. We'd pet him. He was the gooddest boy for going to the bathroom in the correct place. The first time we reprehended him for doing it in the house, though, I felt bad. The poor thing cried. Like, tears were coming out of his eyes. Well there was one time he went to the bathroom in the correct place, technically... in our actual bathroom. But it was a stormy day so we didn't punish him, because he already knew where to go potty. He was just terrified of the storm.

The 'positive reinforcement' didn't stop the orcas from killing those trainers, did it?

I'm a shock collar guy, but use the beeps more than the zaps. And I have yet to turn it beyond 3/7. That said, I only use it to fine tune in a timely fashion. I never use it on a new dog, giving them time to lower their anxiety. An anxious dog will only see the zaps as just another thing to cry about. Half the time, I have the collar in the pouch of my hoodie and she acts like it's still on. The remote still gets results. It's actually pretty funny, but only because my dogs never need them for long to form good habits.

They are angry people. I am a trainer who loves learning from others. I don't think I know everything and I hope I never do. The rigid thinking coupled with the condescending tone of positive reinforcement only trainers is just plain rude. I also love how much they say "get with the science." I actually have several science degrees and a research background. I've read through studies cited in positive reinforcement only trainers videos and websites and I find it should be written like this: "studies." The statistical tests used are sometimes the wrong tests to measure the construct and they are not actual studies, more like opinions. Many are missing key sections (limitations, methods, etc). When someone constantly says "get with the science" but clearly does not understand said science it should be taken with a grain of salt, especially when it is said in a condescending tone.

I really like you're you're style with training dogs i have to deal alot with positive owlny folks

Treats just say a dog is doing something right. So if you give a dog a treat when he jumps, he will naturally think it's okay to do it. You should give a dog a treat when it's warranted. Like when he brings you the newspapper. My dog did this to me and I did give him a treat. I would never treat my dog when he was being an a-hole.

This guy is so right and obviously gets Resultz!

Another gem! It's an idea to make more playlists with your insightful video's.

This is so true. Most of these so called animal rights activists would not lift a finger to help a person dying of hunger on the street, but they would save any animal from abuse. So much hypocrisy

Another super helpful video, thank you Joel!

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I use an ecollar but it is 90% an audible beep or a momentary vibration for recall. The 10% when I use the stimulate it is a recall when the dog is not responding. My dogs are hunting dogs. But I know positive reenforcement does not work. How do dogs work in a pack. It is not positive reenvorcement. My 7 year old lab taught my 12 wk old English setter to potty train. She is 90% potty trained after 3 weeks. It was nice.

Please do what I ask and you get a treat. What's wrong with that statement ? No respect from your dog. I want a dog that both respects and obeys me because he knows I am looking out for him at all times.

I work at a Daycare where 2 positive only trainers are. They make more $ than me, and many of their clients come to me after them.

thank you.

Good content :), and absolutely true :), look forward to more listening to more content like this, breaking into learning theory :). Not to mention 98% of all the well known/respected trainers/behaviourists, use all 4 operants, which is a clear indication that they are all necessary when changing behaviour, and it is the severity of each operant that counts not if it is used.

Really interesting talk

PURE GOLD regarding not needing to use prong and shock collars: 8:24 (I won't use my prong again!)

Someone somewhere has the statistics that show how much money Victoria Stilwell earns every time Cesar is villified. It's like it's her entire marketing campaign. I like watching her, I like watching you, and I like watching Cesar. If you freeze-framed her in the moment when a dog hits the end of the leash, though, it wouldn't matter that she made a cute high-pitched noise and turned the other way. It would be about her strangling the dog to inflict pain on it or cut off its air flow. I guess nobody has weaponized millions of people to do that kind of attack work against her. And these folks act like all Cesar does is inflict pain all day, when I'm sure I've seen him sit quietly for an hour, or give a massage, or use essential oils... definitely treats are there. maybe it's his followers who "use his techniques" but forget about the time, petetition and patience part, I don't know. Thank you for naming this.

I need to figure out where to go for balanced courses for being a dog trainer. Maybe it’s just me but I am having a difficult time finding courses that are not “all positive” based. I am wanting to get my 15 yo autistic daughter involved in dog training and I want her to learn the proper way and have been looking for online courses. Thank you.

Positive Only is like raising your dog on an iPad with screen time.

People don’t think I’m terms of different levels know. Unfortunately everything in some peoples mind has same value. It’s sad!

My stander poodle is a year old now and she is still in the fear phase around new people . She’s also getting terrible worh window barking. Shutting her out of the room doesn’t work because the doors to the room has clear glass. She can still see in and will still bark. My posit to r reinforcement trainer has me stand there and every time she looks out the window I’m supposed to click and treat to teach her it’s no big deal. I haven’t been practicing it so I do t know if that method is even practical. Our previous dog only barked if she actually saw a dog or animal or person coming up. Our dog now barks at nothing . How do you suggest getting a dog to quickly love their harness or gentle leader? I still can’t put the gentle leader on her fully. Our previous dog let us out anything on her . But we always just put things on even if she didn’t like it. Now that say it’s bad to do that. This standard poodle is a very sensitive dog. Still very much a puppy at 14 months old

Thank you so much, love your vdos. Tried the positive reinforcement methods but it doesn't seem to work on my rescue mixed dog (that looks a lot like some sort of wolf-dog/swedish elkhound) that I got a few weeks ago. Been using the leash correction methods for the leash pulling and it's improved his behavior significantly. However, he loves to mouth and softly bites me all the time playing rough that would bruise me or break my skin a bit. I am trying to show dominance by pinning him down whenever he gets too rough and pulling his collar wouldn't help but only aggravates him more. It seems to be working a bit, but he still does it so I decided to use an empty plastic water bottle to hit the floor to make a really loud noise which will stop him most of the time, but he will still try to mouth my hand or feet. I actually decided to hit him with the empty bottle when he got really crazy and wouldn't stop. It seems be working, but I am wondering if it's a bad idea to use this method and if there will be any impact in the long run regarding his aggression. I got him 2 weeks ago (vet thinks he's about 12-14 months old) by chance because no one else could find him a home and he was supposed to stay at mine temporarily. He is a lovely dog and became attached so we decided to keep him. If anyone could give me some advice, that would be helpful. He is very smart but super stubborn so he loves to challenge me. I worry he will hurt other dogs and people if not trained properly. He did bite a friend of mine when his bike fell on him after it got tangled to his leash. My friend went over to get the bike off him and got bitten in the leg. I was told that it's an instinctive thing and most dogs will react that way, but I am now worried about him hurting other people. He also bit a neighbor's dog that actually attacked him first because she was jealous of all the attention he was getting (our theory) because he wanted to play with her with his tail wagging but she just attacked him when he got close. I am trying to desensitize him by slowly socializing him more with my brothers and nephews. He seems to be much more calm now when people walk by my house. And will gradually introduce him to other dogs step by step with a muzzle, etc. as Joel's reccomended in his other vdos. Anyhow, I can't afford to hire any trainer yet, so I am trying to train him myself, just a bit worried if my method is bad or not. (The bottle is super light and wouldn't hurt him, but it's quite loud). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

🤣YUP - Have a 1 yr old Aussie-Poodle mix (Aussie-doodle I guess) - I've been pouring over your videos the past two days and beginning to apply things I've seen you do. I've already seen improvement on the leash with a regular collar. I would like to find out the type of leash you are using and the gentle leader. I can't seem to find one that doesn't go over the forehead as well.

The question I put to every positive reinforcement trainer I have ever spoken with is, can you please show me the scientific evidence that repudiates Skinner.

That Facebook group is hilarious. 😅

What about biting?! My 8 month old pup is getting a little more aggressive with the biting and he has now resulted in biting at the ankles when we ignore him for the behavior and it’s really annoying. I usually just end up putting him in his kennel for a bit so he can calm down. But if he feels ignored, he’ll get your ankles.

My dog bites (trys to) if someone hurts him,e.g.at the vet.most times he's good there injections, etc.no problem but touching where it hurts.he will react. Or when mostly children want to pet him so badly and do not respect his personal space. he is a grown up,and doesn't want to be petted by everyone... This is a problem,as he also barks to keep people and kids at bay.does it mean that he doesn't trust me enough that I'll keep those people away? On the other hand, it's really difficult when he wouldn't keep next to me indoors all the time and so kids can run after him all the time.ok I gave myself one piece of the answer...train the kids... But there are dogs who would at least growl...

This is for very rare situations but you need to gain control. Thank you for your vids brother

Any that looks a reddit r/dogtraining you will see nothing but positive reinforcement. I get flagged everytime by suggesting video's from Beckmans Dog Training.

Yet, I get rid of behaviors all the time with R+!

You could be a nasty-children-parents counselor as well ... I can't help seeing a lot of similarity between kids and dogs.

They expect their clients to turn into dancing monkey distraction clowns. Then blame that as the reason for 'non engagement' etc. It's al excuses and means they are not held accountable as a 'dog trainer' when things do not work. Always the clients fault and spend 99% of the time talking to the client instead of working with the dog directly

Can you show how you use “punishment” for counter surfing. Our 3 year old Australian is generally well behaved and listens, but this is one behavior we can’t seem to prevent. Thank you!

What about pinching a dog just enough to simulate a nip when they're doing wrong, kind of how dogs do to each other, is that reasonable?

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when you push on the dogs butt to sit that is negative reinforcement