The Making of Superman IV was a Sh*t Show

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It Was A Sh*t Show

It Was A Sh*t Show

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Making Superman sequels are hard. Let’s talk about how difficult it was to make Superman III and Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, from stunt casting Richard Pryor to slashing a budget in half, days before filming.
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In the entertainment world, there are millions of dollars on the line and troubled productions are bound to happen. And we are going to talk about these disastrous, never ending, and sometimes dangerous productions. From the creators of WTF Happened To This Movie?, It Was A Sh*t Show is a video essay/documentary series looking at some of your favorite films and tv shows, and why they were such a nightmare to make.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:43 - Richard Donner's Tough Production of Superman I & II
02:44 - Ilya Salkind Tries to Get the Band Back Together
04:35 - Richard Pryor's Comedy Takes over Superman III
05:41 - Superman III Releases June 17, 1983
06:19 - Supergirl is Another Disastrous Production
07:43 - Supergirl Releases November 21, 1984
08:22 - Cannon Films Buys the Rights for Superman
09:37 - Christopher Reeve Gets Full Creative Control
11:56 - Cannon's Financial Troubles
13:26 - Superman IV's Doomed Production
14:51 - Cheap Visual Effects & Cut Material
17:02 - Superman IV Releases July 24, 1987
17:54 - Reeve's Tragic Accident & Legacy
Sources:
AFI Catalog: catalog.afi.com/Film/57838-SU...
AV Club: tv.avclub.com/jon-cryer-on-ch...
Box Office Mojo: www.boxofficemojo.com/release...
CNN: www.cnn.com/videos/showbiz/20...
Den of Geek: www.denofgeek.com/movies/a-pi...
ET: • Superman IV Moon Seque...
LA Times: www.latimes.com/archives/la-x...
The Numbers: www.the-numbers.com/movie/Sup...
www.the-numbers.com/movie/Sup...
Rotten Tomatoes: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/supe...
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/supe...
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/supe...
Still Me: www.google.com/books/edition/...
Superman Vs. Hollywood: How Fiendish Producers, Devious Directors, and Warring Writers Grounded an American Icon: www.google.com/books/edition/...
Superman: The High-flying history of America’s Most Enduring Hero: www.google.com/books/edition/...
Tonight Show: • Video
Wes Craven: Interviews: www.google.com/books/edition/...
Featured Footage:
Above Suspicion (1995)
America 3000 (1986)
The Apple (1980)
American Ninja (1985)
Black Fox (1995)
Bloodsport (1988)
Bolero (1984)
The Boys In Company C (1978)
Breakin’ (1984)
Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo (1984)
Catwoman (2004)
Cyborg (1989)
Death Wish II (1982)
Death Wish 3 (1985)
Death Wish 4: Crackdown (1987)
The Delta Force (1986)
Enter the Ninja (1981)
Going Bananas (1988)
Hercules (1983)
House of the Long Shadows (1983)
Invaders from Mars (1986)
Invasion U.S.A. (1985)
Iron Eagle (1986)
The Jewel of the Nile (1985)
King Solomon’s Mines (1985)
The Last American Virgin (1982)
Lifeforce (1985)
Masters of the Universe (1987)
Mata Hari (1985)
Missing In Action (1984)
Missing In Action 2: The Beginning (1985)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
Ninja III: The Domination (1984)
Otello (1986)
Over The Top (1987)
The Remains of the Day (1993)
Revenge of the Ninja (1983)
Richard Pryor: Live on the Sunset Strip (1982)
Robocop (1987)
Runaway Train (1985)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Stir Crazy (1980)
Street Smart (1987)
Supergirl (1984)
Superman: The Movie (1978)
Superman II (1980)
Superman III (1983)
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 (1986)
Village of the Damned (1995)
Electric Boogaloo: The Wild, Untold Story of Cannon Films (2014)
The Magic Behind the Cape (2001)
Making Superman: Filming the Legend (2001)
The Making of Superman III (1985)
Supergirl: The Making of the Movie (1984)
Superman II: Restoring the Vision (2006)
Taking Flight: The Development of Superman (2001)
You Will Believe: The Cinematic Saga of Superman (2006)
Music:
Alexander Courage - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (Original Soundtrack)
Hans Zimmer - Earth
Ken Thorne - Superman III (Original Soundtrack)
John Williams - Superman Theme
Ryan Hudson - Sh*t Show Theme
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@Pellbort
@Pellbort 2 жыл бұрын
This is excellent content. Research, editing, writing and narration are all absolutely S-tier. Sincere congratulations on your great talent and achievement, and thanks for sharing your gifts with us. Easy sub.
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! If we are S-tier, does that mean some people “main” us?
@Pellbort
@Pellbort 2 жыл бұрын
@@ItWasAShtShow It means you're current meta, and not subbing is basically throwing
@UXXV
@UXXV Жыл бұрын
What this guys said. The last segment and even your choice in backing music. Truly world class. Thank you for the content 🙏
@princeofcupspoc9073
@princeofcupspoc9073 Жыл бұрын
No, it's really not. Mistakes and errors across the board. They should have asked ANYONE born before 1990 for help.
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow Жыл бұрын
@@princeofcupspoc9073 You misinterpreted one sentence and thats mistakes across the board? Calm down, buddy.
@sha11235
@sha11235 3 жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve was never in it for the paycheck. He always took pride in his work, which is why he was a great actor. Even after his accident, he was an inspiration to many. RIP, Superman of my generation.
@pokerface6886
@pokerface6886 3 жыл бұрын
He embodied the role. His transition from Clumsy Clark to Confident Superman cannot be replicated. He is Superman!
@MrPeterbs
@MrPeterbs 2 жыл бұрын
Well Reeve did the movie in part so Cannon would finance his pet project 'Street Smart'.
@MrPeterbs
@MrPeterbs 2 жыл бұрын
@Induxvideos yes- part of Reeve's motivation was money for his pet project 'Street Smart' which oddly, really helped Morgan Freeman's career.
@alexgdaq8146
@alexgdaq8146 2 жыл бұрын
I remember in Superman 1 Superman flashed 666! Ps. Look up Gene Kim on KZfaq
@76reliant
@76reliant 2 жыл бұрын
you are an idiot...OFCOURSE Reeves did superman 4 for the $6 million and the CONTROL in the film, and it SUCKED.....Most actors are terrible at producing/making good films, and Superman 4 was just another example.....Reeves was an OK actor, who got a superhero script with Richard Donner, great special effects, great music....
@Kaiser68
@Kaiser68 Жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with leukemia at age 6, and Superman was my idol. I wore my superman costume every time I went into the hospital for treatment. These characters MATTER. They can feel like a suit of armour when you go to face some of the hardest challenges in life. Rest in peace Christopher Reeve. You will always be the real Superman to me.
@howaboutsomesoyfood
@howaboutsomesoyfood 11 ай бұрын
Glad to hear you got through it.
@Drak976
@Drak976 10 ай бұрын
@@howaboutsomesoyfood Or DID HE?!?
@kaijudirector5336
@kaijudirector5336 Жыл бұрын
The epilogue with Chris made me cry. He really was Superman, even with clipped wings.
@travismckoy2564
@travismckoy2564 Жыл бұрын
me too , i couldnt help it
@jasonfocacci9234
@jasonfocacci9234 Жыл бұрын
Who is “Chris”?
@travismckoy2564
@travismckoy2564 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonfocacci9234 Christopher Reeves
@ZToxLives
@ZToxLives Жыл бұрын
@@travismckoy2564 Reeve
@peachesj4748
@peachesj4748 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonfocacci9234 Are you stupid?
@guardiane
@guardiane Жыл бұрын
It still hits me to this day, the scene in the original Superman movie, where Superman sees a dead Lois Lane, his anger and reaction seemed to real, so genuine. I don't think I've ever seen someone act a rage scene so intensely and properly in all my life since. R.I.P. Mr. Reeve.
@implicitmintjulep
@implicitmintjulep Жыл бұрын
I've seen that scene a dozen times, it brings me to tears every time
@AztecMC1
@AztecMC1 Жыл бұрын
spoilers much?
@vestavind
@vestavind Жыл бұрын
@@AztecMC1 It is a very famous scene :)
@thunderfoot74
@thunderfoot74 10 ай бұрын
That scene and the scene from pet cemetery when the father is holding his dead son and screams nooooooooooo! I get chills from both those scenes.
@mrhades652
@mrhades652 8 ай бұрын
​@@AztecMC1bro, it's over 40 years old
@gjhoward
@gjhoward Жыл бұрын
I remember being a teen when the news broke of Reeve's accident. It hurt my soul. Here was Superman, *my* Superman that I watched as a child. But what he was able to do with the time he had left was greater than anything that Superman could. RIP Christopher Reeve
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 Жыл бұрын
I was only a kid but still know exactly where i was and what i did when i heard about Reeve's accident. And for years i was hoping he'd recover....... This man never lost his drive and dignity. It is true, only HE could have played Superman.
@ericnierstedt6242
@ericnierstedt6242 Жыл бұрын
I always remember there was some sort of commercial or promotional piece he did after the accident. He was there sitting in his wheelchair starting off about how he had been famous for playing Superman the Man who could fly, and still talked about how you could turn things around and how bad days were just good days in disguise. I always thought about what it must’ve taken for him to say that and I’ve always So much respect for him for doing so.
@raoulduke344
@raoulduke344 Жыл бұрын
That scene with the robot in Superman 3 scared the absolute living sh*t out of me as a kid. It still creeps me out.
@DarkLordofTheSith69
@DarkLordofTheSith69 Жыл бұрын
🤣 me too i hated that scene when she gets fused ..pure nightmare fuel
@samuelperezgarcia
@samuelperezgarcia Жыл бұрын
I think every kid that watched that scene felt the same way.
@raoulduke344
@raoulduke344 Жыл бұрын
@chadseechaddo I would like to "me too" that scene for f**kin my head up so badly when I was a kid.
@raoulduke344
@raoulduke344 Жыл бұрын
@ufcaddicted1 it's one of those rare scenes in movies where it's not just the image and the sound (God, those sounds...) that terrified you but the whole existential nightmare and body horror (I Have a Mouth and I Really Must Scream, But this Machine Clamps it Shut), coupled with the trip to the uncanny valley. Her being violently transformed was scary enough, and the fact that her screams are silenced was enough in its own, but they way she looked and moved made it 100xs worse. If they remade that scene it would be all CGI, but that would never be as effective as what we see there. Honestly, so many horror movies could learn from it.
@lamphorn
@lamphorn 11 ай бұрын
Me too! I liked the movie overall as a kid and would still watch it but I'd just have this awful dread as THAT scene approached. Really freaked me out.
@flipnap2112
@flipnap2112 Жыл бұрын
I worked on his last film, which was an animated feature called "everyones hero". Many stars offered their voice talent and many didn't even want the screen credit for it (robin Williams) because they loved Chris. I remember one day driving through the city to work on one of my shots and the classic radio station played the theme from Superman and I welled up inside. we all knew what was going on and that Chris was close to death. Ive worked on 100's of projects since then but still my proudest yet most humbling work. RIP Chris, hope you are flying around up there.
@flipnap2112
@flipnap2112 Жыл бұрын
@Thomas Farrell you got that right brother. I remember walking out of the theater with my mom and I distinctly remember feeling magical, like I could fly over the parking lot. we carried that with us our whole lives. Was a special time
@timrob12
@timrob12 Жыл бұрын
I think it is still fitting that Reeves' final preformance was in two episodes of Smallville, returning to the world of Superman to guide a new Clark Kent towards his destiny. I love cameos in DC shows and movies, but Reeve appearing on Smallville was probably the best one of them all.
@wonderrob3225
@wonderrob3225 3 жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve brought the quality of absolute sincerity to his performance of Superman
@craigusselman546
@craigusselman546 Жыл бұрын
Even when hes being punched into the ground by Nuclear Man in a scene straight out of Bugs Bunny
@timmitchell3870
@timmitchell3870 Жыл бұрын
Superman II was actually my favorite. The one thing Superman I lacked was a super-powered villain to have a knock-down drag-out with Supes; II delivered on this and more. After II, ya everything went to shyte.
@BrianGriffinW
@BrianGriffinW 9 ай бұрын
And the donner cut?
@VideoSmarts1
@VideoSmarts1 7 ай бұрын
@@BrianGriffinWit gave us an idea as to what could’ve been
@nick6var
@nick6var 5 ай бұрын
One plot hole of Superman 2 that I only noticed because of the Donner cut is that in Lester's cut Lois and Clark just go to Niagara Falls. Perry never gives them the assignment for the paper. It was a Donner scene never reshot without the identity reveal.
@DevilMaster
@DevilMaster 5 ай бұрын
The Donner cut was good. I was astonished when I saw it for the first time: it looked like a remake with the same actors.
@needleonthevinyl
@needleonthevinyl Жыл бұрын
I love how well the footage is selected to match up with the script, like patch the holes, Supergirl tanking, Christopher Reeve suiting up, ettc. This is some top shelf content
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow Жыл бұрын
Love it when people notice the editing!
@andrewflashchannelgibbs5384
@andrewflashchannelgibbs5384 Жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve really did embody Superman. So ingrained into all those that grew up watching him. Great behind the scenes video. It shows if only they had allowed the people with passion to make the movies they wanted, we would have got some amazing stuff.
@pvuccino
@pvuccino Жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong, I think Christopher Reeve was an amazing actor, but Superman is a pretty straightforward role and I think most of the actors who took on the mantle after him, have done a pretty good job with it. What I really think showcased Reeve's acting abilities was Clark Kent and his difference with Superman, which NONE of his successors did right. I mean, he took the impossibility from the comics of Superman only using a pair of glasses to disguise himself and made it possible. His whole body language is different, his manners are different, even his voice is different! One of my favorite scenes is in Superman 2, when Lois finds out he's Superman because Clark touched a burning coal and didn't burn. Then his body posture completely changes and even though he's still dressed as Clark, you can clearly see he's Superman now. Now, THAT'S a real actor!
@OmicronX-1999
@OmicronX-1999 11 ай бұрын
@@pvuccino Yeah, that's a great scene, I remember thinking the same thing when I first saw it.
@stirgy4312
@stirgy4312 2 жыл бұрын
The quintessential Superman. Quite amazing how he lived for 9 years after that accident. Amazing fortitude.
@leandrotarsia7212
@leandrotarsia7212 Жыл бұрын
I remember being in third grade and watching Superman IV with my aunt and my mom. Years later the movie does not hold up but at the time just seeing Christopher Reeve playing Superman on the big screen was a total blast and now I remember that day very fondly.
@bobdouglass8010
@bobdouglass8010 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how it's impossible to imagine an actor today bring the boy-scout charm of Superman to life the way Christopher Reeve did in 1978.
@craigusselman546
@craigusselman546 Жыл бұрын
He will be Superman to me always thats the era I grew up in.
@OmicronX-1999
@OmicronX-1999 11 ай бұрын
Eh, silver age Superman wouldn't work at all today. Nobody buys the whole boy-scout, friend to all men shtick. It's outdated.
@Drak976
@Drak976 10 ай бұрын
@@OmicronX-1999 Only because people today are jaded and bitter. My Korean war vet landlord is basically like his. He's in his 90s. He can't understand the modern world at all. It's not out dated the modern age sucks. Where exactly are we progressing to? A cliff? The dark knight worked and I liked it but murder death kill superman did not work and I'm not the only one who thought that.
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Жыл бұрын
Reeve was an inspiring individual who had passion for his work and took pride in what he did. Thanks for the memories sir!
@dallasbagley
@dallasbagley 2 жыл бұрын
I adore Christopher Reeve, one of my all time favorite actors. For those who haven't seen it (or who have), Somewhere in Time is a wonderful movie. I've seen it more than a few times.
@CR41489
@CR41489 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. “Somewhere in Time” is a terrific film. Great story, terrific performances and one of John Barry’s greatest film scores. 👍
@dallasbagley
@dallasbagley 2 жыл бұрын
@@CR41489 You know the story behind his score? What inspired the sound?
@CR41489
@CR41489 2 жыл бұрын
@@dallasbagley I’ve always been a big fan of John Barry and his many fantastic scores but I don’t know much about the details outside of what I read which I’ve copied and pasted below. 👍 “The film's original musical score was composed and conducted by John Barry, who was suggested by Jane Seymour, a personal friend. The producers had been considering a score based on The 18th variation of Sergei Rachmaninoff's "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini". which is used in the film several times.”
@Atr8yu85
@Atr8yu85 2 жыл бұрын
Come back to me
@moondustgirl2132
@moondustgirl2132 2 жыл бұрын
@@dallasbagley I love Somewhere in Time - the film and the music. From what I know, John Barry's mom had just died before he started working on the score. And so he actually wrote that music for his mom.
@BrettJamesBishop
@BrettJamesBishop 3 жыл бұрын
Going into this video for what it seemed to be on face value, I would've never guessed that it would leave me in tears by the end. Well done!
@pashon4percushon
@pashon4percushon 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad you got hearted, but the title is "Sh*t Show", what does the ending have to do with Superman IV?
@tavellclinton9256
@tavellclinton9256 2 жыл бұрын
This movie would have been more successful if Christopher Reeve and director Sidney J. Furie were at least neutral towards each other.
@falconvelocity
@falconvelocity 2 жыл бұрын
Don't be too applauding. Whilst he narrates, nearly all the facts, footage and interviews are from the Electric Boogaloo documentary. Nice re-package though.
@entity0984
@entity0984 2 жыл бұрын
@@falconvelocity This shit is what I hate about the internet. There is always some "well, actually" motherfucker commenting on everything. What did you want him to do, go back in time and reshoot everything? Piss off man.
@Ringlerun90
@Ringlerun90 Жыл бұрын
@@pashon4percushon heh?
@greenraven12
@greenraven12 Жыл бұрын
He was such an integral part of my childhood even in an country where people barely talked about superman . I grew up watching him, running around with a cape and a S on my chest. Rest well my superman
@eddeh0772
@eddeh0772 Жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve + Hans Zimmer’s Man of Steel soundtrack is almost like a filmmaker’s cheat code
@googalacticgoo
@googalacticgoo 3 жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve is a true legend. He really was a Superman in a world of cut corners and greed
@raulzavala9061
@raulzavala9061 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing Superman IV as a kid I could tell something was off when the same shot of Superman flying was repeated multiple times, but I'd take it over Batman & Robin any day.
@osurpless
@osurpless Жыл бұрын
The music is a heck of a lot better too. Though to be fair, Goldenthal is no slouch for that film, I just see his work on Batman Forever as a seminal work of excellence; makes the movie better than it really had any right to be…
@NDR-hn3ue
@NDR-hn3ue Жыл бұрын
You sure about that
@Revelian1982
@Revelian1982 Жыл бұрын
I'd take tossing off with Freddy Krueger's glove over Batman and Robin..
@dhenderson1810
@dhenderson1810 Жыл бұрын
That's because Reeve still put passion into his performance of Superman, no matter how bad the movie is, whereas George Clooney phoned in his role as Batman, and used it simply as a way to launch his film career.
@Revelian1982
@Revelian1982 Жыл бұрын
@@dhenderson1810 I disagree. The actor is only ever as good as the script, and what could he have done with what he was given? The story and writing ruined this movie. Clooney did the best he could with the crap he was given. Bale couldn't have done a better job had he been given this script.
@Field_Marshal_Emu
@Field_Marshal_Emu Жыл бұрын
Loved Christopher Reeve as Superman when I was a kid. He was THE live action Superman everyone thought of when Superman was mentioned. An absolute class act.
@cybergothika6906
@cybergothika6906 Жыл бұрын
It is always good to remember that Superman really existed and it wasn't just a myth.
@ALIEN-DUDE
@ALIEN-DUDE 3 жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve will always be superman to me, rest in peace we'll never forget him.
@gerardjayetileke4373
@gerardjayetileke4373 2 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you used "Earth" from the MoS suite. It's the one theme from MoS that gave a true feeling of "smallville-ness".
@Jakeprince314
@Jakeprince314 Жыл бұрын
My father took me to see Superman when I was a kid in the 70s and at the time my Dad was a hero for taking me ..I wanted to go so bad ..and he took me ,and I think after that I would wrap a towel around my neck and pretend I was Superman....then Batman 89 came out and I just really started loving comic books again thanks to these films.
@HurricaneJD
@HurricaneJD Жыл бұрын
When I was like five or six years old in the early 80s, I broke my arm by trying to fly sideways off of my bed. You know how Superman kind of turns to the side to fly? I have no idea why I thought it would work lol. my dad didn't know at the time so he yanked me up by my broken arm because he was mad at me for rough playing or something. Because I was crying because my arm hurt. That's the only bone I've ever broken was my left arm. i am 45yo now. that was a long time ago. Nostalgia really hits me hard when I watch these movies
@bps3013
@bps3013 Жыл бұрын
"Superman... could no longer fly." 😔 That got me deep in the feels.
@TomTimeTraveler
@TomTimeTraveler 3 жыл бұрын
Superman:The Movie is the gold standard of all Superman movies. It had warmth, charm, great casting and a sense of humor. No over-emphasis of special effects which today reduces super hero movies to glorified cartoons. Ree ve was perfectly cast.
@DingKong
@DingKong 2 жыл бұрын
It was a travesty to see the characters and the 'Superman' series descend to this farcical level. Superman was a brilliant film and proved that a superhero movie could work on the big screen Superman II was flawed but still enjoyable with some great moments Superman III was an utter goof-fest that took a huge dump on the previous films. The junkyard scene was extremely well done though. Superman IV was a total disgrace
@shrapnel77
@shrapnel77 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the evil, tortured superman in the third movie. I wish they had done more with him and the junkyard scene where he fights his good side was the only highlight of the movie for me. The supporting cast was atrocious, especially Prior, who has to be one of the most annoying actors ever.
@desoliver9712
@desoliver9712 Жыл бұрын
Actually, Superman II and III are the ones I return to the most, and the ones I most enjoyed as a kid.
@shanec8899
@shanec8899 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love 2-4 outside of 1 C Reeve was my child hood so when I saw them so young I didn't see the "shit show" they were an never will yet I 100% recognise why their seen as one
@johnturrentine7577
@johnturrentine7577 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Solar man was a crappy character.
@Yikes702
@Yikes702 Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was sad he didn't get a Keaton type of Superman film. The first one was very good, but with the right director and funding Reeve's subsequent movies could have been fantastic.
@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0
@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0 Жыл бұрын
RIP Christopher Reeve. The one and only Superman/Clark Kent. Super Man 1 was one of the best movies ever. The only problem is Warner and Cannon could be a dangerous issue. Especially the movie budget went cut half. Thanks for showing the video.
@jackkitchen737
@jackkitchen737 Жыл бұрын
Superman 2 was a great movie, despite a few missteps. The ending was great. The fight scenes were awesome. The drama was still there. While not as good as the original, it was still a great flick.
@dalemorton6241
@dalemorton6241 Жыл бұрын
The Donner Cut of Superman 2 was a great movie. The slapstick crap we got theatrically was horrible. I remember being a kid and not understanding the celophane "S" scene in the fortress at the end of the theatrical cut.
@dhenderson1810
@dhenderson1810 Жыл бұрын
​@@drt1605 I actually liked that you didn't see Clark get his powers back, until he returned as Superman, since it was more of a surprise.
@jeffreysnow2640
@jeffreysnow2640 Жыл бұрын
Superman 2 was actually very good. I saw it at the drive-in in 1981, when I was 17 :)
@michaelconsuegra7316
@michaelconsuegra7316 Жыл бұрын
I think Superman 2 was the best. I saw it in the movies when I was a kid. I had it on video and wathed numerous times. The first Superman was O.K, but the second one was better. As for Superman 3, it was in my opinion more embrrasing than Superman 4 because it had Richard Pryor in it and his comedy just didn't go with it. He's not a bad actor, but most fans felt that it was more of a Richard Pryor movie than a Superman movie. Superman 4 may have been an embarrasment as well, but I prefere watching that one than the third one.
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 2 жыл бұрын
I and II were good, kinda cheesy but in a loving way, respectful toward the character and the idea. The problem with II is the loss of Donner's vision of Superman.
@kengeejr
@kengeejr Жыл бұрын
Lester’s Superman II was better
@casanovafrankenstein8538
@casanovafrankenstein8538 Жыл бұрын
Too many violent scenes were deleted from the Donner version like when Non bombed that kid with a police beacon, that's what pisses me off
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 Жыл бұрын
I actually agree, but not because of Lester's understanding of Superman, Donner's mix just is not very good storytelling and meanders too much.
@AWolfMan75
@AWolfMan75 Жыл бұрын
@@christophertaylor9100 I actually had forgotten II was not really a Donner picture. I thought it was pretty decent in parts, but even as a kid I remember thinking it had "potential." Some of the slapstick stuff was pretty ridiculous at times. I remember groaning at the Mount Rushmore scene. I think it would be interesting to see as a slightly more serious movie with Kryptonian criminals escaping the Phantom Zone, probably as Donner intended, since the Jor-El setup with Brando in the first film was so good.
@linwoodgray6127
@linwoodgray6127 Жыл бұрын
​@@AWolfMan75 you probably might actually know this but thares actually 2 versions of superman 2 film the 1 you have already seen and the other called the Richard donner cut look it up its very different from the other
@Yavin4
@Yavin4 2 жыл бұрын
And the first Superman has one of John Williams' most iconic soundtracks. Recognizable as soon as you hear it.
@foto21
@foto21 Жыл бұрын
I remember going to see the first Superman with my mom and other family. Everyone in the audience was floored by the effects, the story, the drama, and Reeve, Brando, Hackman, Kidder and Beatty. (what a lineup!). The women were all swooning over Reeve. It really is an enduring masterpiece. Such a shame the last two movies were so fraught.
@jamesjwalsh
@jamesjwalsh Жыл бұрын
Valerie Perrine made me swoon.
@foto21
@foto21 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesjwalsh It's funny. I forgot her until you reminded me, and yeah, hubba hubba.
@kri249
@kri249 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid when the sequels came out. The scene in 3 with that chick turning into Brainiac always freaked me out and had me hiding behind the couch. And I remember seeing the 4th film in the cinema. They may have been shit from an adults perspective but they definitely appealed more to younger minds. And Reeve really was one of those special actors who was passionate their parts. He was a hell of a guy. Even crippled he had a sense of humour. I remember him on Dave Letterman saying he now knows every pothole in New York city. Then adds, "Mayor Juliani, you gotta spend a few bucks." He really had a strength in him that manifested through his portrayal of Superman.
@apreviousseagle836
@apreviousseagle836 Жыл бұрын
3 was a fun movie for me as a kid, but I still hated the first 10 mins of it, and that weird ass introduction. I had no idea Richard Pryor was this big comedian. I just saw a weird dude making funny faces and acting like Bill Cosby, but I loved the guy had a good heart. He never wanted to hurt Superman, and when he saw what his machine was doing, took him upon himself to risk his hyde to save Supes (who would have been toast without him). That handshake at the end is my favorite part of the film.
@Witt2687
@Witt2687 2 жыл бұрын
Great deep-dive!! As bad as the film is, I still have a love for it based purely on childhood nostalgia. For years, I’ve been clamoring for a Sydney J. Fury cut much like the Donner cut of Superman II. Would be awesome to see you tackle another Cannon classic: Masters of the Universe!!
@ryans.4715
@ryans.4715 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the fight between Superman and nuclear man
@frenchyoathbreaker4095
@frenchyoathbreaker4095 Жыл бұрын
I love how Chris respected the legacy of Superman and made sure he respected the character and what he represented to people. I really wish other actors would act this way.
@raymondhartmeijer9300
@raymondhartmeijer9300 Жыл бұрын
yeah, he really was the only actor that could be a convincing Superman. Seems every actor after him that tried the part, just didn't have that quality
@frenchyoathbreaker4095
@frenchyoathbreaker4095 Жыл бұрын
@@raymondhartmeijer9300 I think Cavill respect Superman but he's not really given the chance to portray him. But I wish other actors would respect the characters they portray like Reeve did. Like for example Chris Evans plays Cap well but he keeps getting inti Twitter conflicts. Chris Reeve seemed to want to represent Superman well. He had an image to uphold.
@gjdc
@gjdc Жыл бұрын
You’re dead wrong about Superman II. It was a massive hit, much more fun than the original, and fans loved it.
@dalemmmm
@dalemmmm Жыл бұрын
I agree!
@adamoconnor8964
@adamoconnor8964 Жыл бұрын
Siskel and Ebert even declared it better than the first.
@apreviousseagle836
@apreviousseagle836 Жыл бұрын
The problem is that the first movie also had a bunch of ridiculous camp garbage in it. The moment Otis appears on the screen, we're watching a completely different movie. We went from a very dramatic coming of age story of this kid who has super powers, to "hahahahah the fat guy is fat!! it's funny because he's fat!! bwahahahahah!!" Shit, it's almost like Uwe Boll took control of the camera at that point. The movie was able to mitigate the silliness to some degree, only because Hackman and Reeve were able to play off each other in a serious way. Soooooooooooooooooo....Enter the Lester movie. More slapstick, more silliness, but still was able to keep the essence of Reeve's Superman, while introducing higher stakes. I actually do like some of Lester's scenes more than Donner's: 1. I like the fact that Lois finds out about Superman because she cares about Clark, and rushes to help him, thinking he's burnt his hand. The Donner scene (Lois shooting Clark with blanks) makes her come across as a complete psycho. She's sassy and strong, but not insane. 2. I also like the scene where Clark decides to give up his powers AFTER he's boinked Lois. I get physiologically there were probably going to be issues with that (The whole "man of steel, woman of kleenex" bit). But the Donner idea to have him give up his powers first, makes Clark look that that's all he wanted (he was just horny, and that made him give up everything he was). The Lester scene is better. Clark already got his, but he cares for Lois at a deeper level, and still decides to go thru with the power drain, etc. Yes, I could have done a lot less with the silly slapstick garbage, but even the original had a bunch of silly slapstick nonsense.
@lucyk2371
@lucyk2371 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the 2nd one as well.
@arrownoir
@arrownoir Жыл бұрын
@@adamoconnor8964 Who cares? They’re not the authority on movies.
@bb7931
@bb7931 3 жыл бұрын
The failure is all on Canon. The idea of the movie is actually a great idea. "If Superman is so powerful why can't he just stop war?" And the moral is he can't. Superman loses in the end. It could have actually been a more philosophical film.
@Launchpad05
@Launchpad05 2 жыл бұрын
Linkara made an interesting point in his 'Superman 4' comic review, about how Superman is not A god who leads people, but someone who works in service to people. That's what sets Superman apart from A dictator. If the movie shows is conflict between leading people, or making a good decision on his own terms that could benefit people in a more reasonable manner, maybe we would've gotten A better movie.
@williamshaw9047
@williamshaw9047 2 жыл бұрын
They were warned by Tom Mankiewicz, who wrote most of the first two films, to not have Superman interfere in real life problems because it was a no-win situation and would make people start to wonder why Superman wasn't solving homelessness or world hunger, etc. Even Reeve later said that, well-intentioned as it was, the no-nukes storyline didn't work.
@sickheadache9903
@sickheadache9903 Жыл бұрын
You mean Canon the Camera and Lens Producer, Made Superman 4? That would be news to Canon…or do you mean? Cannon Films? 🥴🤔
@BigRiverLabrador
@BigRiverLabrador Жыл бұрын
@@williamshaw9047 never thought if it that way but makes a lot of sense for sure. Going against comic book, make believe villains etc works better for sure.
@akfreed6949
@akfreed6949 Жыл бұрын
I learned after a few CANNON movies that Superman IV would be a POS knowing CANNON would produce .
@xnsimmonsx
@xnsimmonsx 3 жыл бұрын
This is very heart breaking video. Love Superman. Thanks for the video.
@chrisw6164
@chrisw6164 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved Superman II, and when I was a kid I thought it was better than the original. As an adult, I can see that the first one is far superior.
@ambassador8524
@ambassador8524 3 жыл бұрын
The take away is Cannon movie studios were cunning, showed me my first glimpse of tittles on screen, made terrible but cult classic movies. P.S blood sport was great when I was 10!
@devious187
@devious187 Жыл бұрын
Christopher Reeve was not just Superman, he truly was a Super Man.
@Revelian1982
@Revelian1982 Жыл бұрын
Great documentary. RIP Christopher Reeve. You WERE Superman. Completely irreplaceable.
@andyyl6942
@andyyl6942 Жыл бұрын
Your scripts are amazing and i typically just listen instead of watch video essays but your choice of editing clips is very funny and interesting. Keep up the good work.
@deangiering3142
@deangiering3142 2 жыл бұрын
I've always loved Superman 1 & 2 and thought 3 was inferior but had some good moments. I had high hopes for 4 when it was being made. Everything in interviews & production updates in the news gave hope the series would get back on track & continue to fly for many more installments. When I saw Superman 4 in the theaters in 1987, I was like WTF happened. From the bad SFX and story I thought I was having a bad dream & would wake up to see the great film promised. Nope it was rest in peace for the series after this. I even saw part of it on TV a while back while changing channels and yes it is still that bad. Even my mother (who didn't see it in 1987) said ok can we change the channel from this garbage. Thank you for the flashback which really showed how messed up Cannon Films was.
@hydrolito
@hydrolito Жыл бұрын
Series continued with Superboy TV series,1988-1992 Lois and Clark the new Adventures of Superman 1992-1996, Smallville 2001 to 2011, plus many animated versions including Supergirl and Krypto the superdog. More movies Superman Returns and Man of steel, plus Batman vs Superman and Justice League. Also Supergiil tv series also Superman and Lois TV series.
@--Fish
@--Fish 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best retrospectives i've ever seen!!!! Brilliant video, well done
@ipleathetv6334
@ipleathetv6334 6 ай бұрын
I love how this ended as a wonderful tribute to the incomparable Christopher Reeve 😢❤
@jmartin1885
@jmartin1885 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video man! The Salkinds wanted a campy-Batman tv series type of a Superman movie... Dick Donner fought with them every-day to keep the movie like the one we saw! The way they treated Donner was reprehensible! Lester became piggy-in-the-middle, as he wanted to put his own stamp on Superman II. Then 3 came out, with exactly the content the Salkinds wanted-all-along... Campy and crap for it!!! Superman is a cinematic masterpiece! Superman II has some merit, and is a very fun watch! Superman III only has a few notable scenes... IV has none! It was a sh*t show tell's it like it is.... Thank you!!!
@natalieps2387
@natalieps2387 2 жыл бұрын
I think donner made such a perfect superman that no other one will really come close. Reeve? Literally the gold standard. Obviously brando & hackman are the biggest acting legends. We don't make actors like that anymore. We don't make anything w/ quality anymore. What happened to the next generation of directors writers producers etc ?
@thevoid99
@thevoid99 2 жыл бұрын
to me, "superman" is and always will be... the greatest superhero film ever made. i would give a lot of the credit to richard donner. he did the impossible and if it wasn't for him. we wouldn't have these cinematic events in these superhero films. good and bad. let's not forget that he helped produce the "x-men" movies and also made a lot of popular films and franchises. the man deserved his due.
@nignamedmutt7270
@nignamedmutt7270 Жыл бұрын
"What happened to the next generation" Disney. And overbearing advertisers. But mostly Disney. You'd think youtube would be the perfect solution to this, but unfortunately copyright, and googles constantly changing policies fuck everything up.
@Yikes702
@Yikes702 Жыл бұрын
They have more control doing movies and limited series on HBO Max, Hulu, Netflix. I think a lot more original creative stuff is on streaming now.
@coolcat6303
@coolcat6303 Жыл бұрын
@@nignamedmutt7270 I don’t think you can blame Disney for the inferior movies of Hollywood. They may make incredibly successful comic book films that are all the rage now but that’s what they’re supposed to do. It’s not their fault that other studios aren’t making more intelligent films like Shawshank Redemption.
@dannyr2976
@dannyr2976 3 жыл бұрын
So many 'What if...' moments on the road to the Chris Reeve Superman series. I've known people who use the Golem-Globus model of doing things. Never overpromise, you'll only underdeliver!
@sha11235
@sha11235 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they would put all these films in development at once and not realize they were stretching themselves thin at times. This film needed to slow down and deal with the special effects and not just rush it along. That's why that company made a lot of junk films.
@stephenbirks6458
@stephenbirks6458 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah a lot of cinema shut down because of those 2 guys - Golem & Globus - Our local ABC picture house closed which was smaller than our Odean Cinema & was more homely ! - like your old type picture houses - With it having 3 smaller screens they played your classic older movies ! I really missed the ABC picture house on Broadway ! -I really did !
@justinsmolik2834
@justinsmolik2834 Жыл бұрын
in Superman IV, they use the "flying toward the camera" shoot over ten times
@FoucaultEffect
@FoucaultEffect 2 жыл бұрын
Should've mentioned his return to a Superman universe with the Smallville series just before his death. He was so happy to be involved with and see the mythos carry on. But still a very well done homage to Reeves and the story of Superman 4. Great job!
@dalemorton6241
@dalemorton6241 Жыл бұрын
not to mention his sharing screentime with Margot Kidder again.
@FoucaultEffect
@FoucaultEffect Жыл бұрын
@@dalemorton6241 he was the only reason she even came back for that too. Me: *All the feels right now*
@davidhogan5290
@davidhogan5290 3 жыл бұрын
Really well-made and informative video.
@joetorres9892
@joetorres9892 Жыл бұрын
Not accurate though..
@darthvestius7771
@darthvestius7771 2 жыл бұрын
Superman (I and II ) are great films and Christopher Reeve is an icon. He was Superman. Period.
@mirandac8712
@mirandac8712 Жыл бұрын
You know, Chris Reeve got me through cancer three times, including a stem cell transplant and a NDE. I never met him but I know friends of his, and my dad (who was much older) was an acquaintance of his father, F D Reeves, one of the great American poets, at least in the opinion of my dad who was a poet too. One of my earliest memories is sitting in this drawing room of friends of the family, having tea, and this woman opening the Chicago Tribune to its full extent to display the enormous ad for "Superman." My dad had a letter from Reeves in which he talks about the difficult choice of his son, a gifted student at Juilliard in NYC, on whether or not to take a big but not serious Hollywood role that would probably forever determine his career and make the stage career he had imagined an impossibility, and how he had changed the spelling of his last name. Even from the ad, it seemed like the film was something special. At that time, superhero things were strictly comic books -- the Spiderman television cartoon, the George Reeve shows where you could see the wires: very b-movie stuff, children's fare. This ad was indeed poetic: I remember it as an abstract expressionist painting, the kind of thing you'd see at Moma, without any hint of anything figurative that would be in the film. It just said 'You'll believe a man can fly.' A few weeks later there was this party at a friend of my dad's, a poet -- just a normal guy, I'm sure teaching somewhere, the apartment was a normal one in Rogers Park or somewhere -- and I guess he was also a friend of F D Reeves because some people from the film industry were invited. I wish I had gone, but of course I was too young. I'm getting all this from Joe, who did go: in the hallway, before they opened the door, there were these two men posted outside who stopped Joe from entering, and one of them said, 'Don't worry, there's nothing wrong, but this evening, your friends, the Seidermeyers, have had a happy surprise, because one of the guests we're hosting tonight is the actor Marlon Brando. Now Mr Brando has assured us that he's more than happy to meet and talk to anyone that's been invited here tonight; the only condition we do ask is that no one is at any point to mention his name. Not in any context. Do not address him and do not pronounce the name 'Marlon Brando.' You'll be introduced to him as Uncle Max, and that's the only name he's asking you to be kind enough to use. We cannot admit anyone who can't agree to these terms, and Mr Brando's handler has made it very clear that if this protocol is breached he will leave, and so your signing the guest registry Allen is passing around testifies to your acceptance of the terms, as well as contributing to a keepsake Frank is going to treasure for the rest of his life!' So they sign the thing, and go in, and in a little bit Joe's dad says, Joe, I'd like to meet Uncle Max! And there's Brando, looking down at him, and he gives him a hug and they have this funny conversation. Meanwhile we had some other friends who were very active and respected members of the community, and they were art collectors and gave money to the dems, type of thing -- Jerry Brown always stayed at their house when he was campaigning and I had this brown suit I'd wear for parties as a child, and when we met he says, "Dressed for the occasion, I see' -- everyone laughed. They had five kids, all of whom were either doctors or lawyers, except the one daughter, who wanted to go out to Hollywood -- and she got a job with Cannon! So this was like horrifying to her parents. At any rate I had such a crush on her, and we would talk movies, so it was like our secret thing; as I started getting a little older she was this literal fantasy woman, the first older girl I ever knew. She taught me how to swim. :) Anyway she got me a subscription to Variety and it was like our secret thing, and I was likely the only kid getting a Variety subscription in Milwaukee, and I remember waiting for the big fat trade issues where the studios would take out expensive full-color booklet ads, on glossy thick paper, for upcoming releases. These were for trade conventions although also for the festivals -- I remember Cannes, I think Venice? maybe not -- mostly these were industry conventions. But the Cannon ones were so shocking to me, I'll never forget "Angel: College Student By Day: Woman of the Night at Night" or something like this, this was eye-opening stuff for a kid back then, and Rachel was working on these things! The mind reeled. There were some amazing ones that I kept -- the REVENGE Of the Jedi announcement, a dramatic one for Scarface w/this huge picture of Pacino's face, the poster copy about the refugee crisis in Cuba stretched out over the first few pages of this thing, it seemed unimaginably adult and complex and violent and 'political' lol -- I've lost them all in theft, but the Cannon ones were the most lurid, and when Superman IV was announced, I couldn't believe it. Even at that age I knew it was either a huge step up for Cannon or a huge step down for Superman. Ah well. Thanks for the great video!
@MagicAl5F4781
@MagicAl5F4781 2 жыл бұрын
Very well-told summary of the sequels' decline. One noteworthy thing about Superman III is Christopher Reeve at his bodybuilding peak. His weight varies throughout Superman I and II because he still putting on muscle during filming, and in IV he went with a much leaner look, but in III he is huge, the biggest Superman has ever been without a fake muscle suit.
@hellfire5108
@hellfire5108 Жыл бұрын
I love how actors say they want to quit the role... until they are offered a HUGE amount of money.
@REaDComicsau
@REaDComicsau 3 жыл бұрын
Recently saw these movies for the first time, 4 was laughable
@chadgrov
@chadgrov Жыл бұрын
I was born in 84 and was watching these movies pretty early on in life, so even as a 5-8 year old in the late 80’s early 90’s I saw all these multiple times rented on VHS and even I could tell 4 was a massive turd back then 😂 1 and 2 are the best.
@m1sterrattles764
@m1sterrattles764 9 ай бұрын
Wow. Great documentary with the heart-breaking sight of Donner nearly in tears at the end over Chris accident. I’m tearing up at that bit.
@cunnyfunt30
@cunnyfunt30 10 ай бұрын
Christopher Reeve is my favourite Superman, I still to this day love the first 3 movies, he'll always be a legend to me, thank you Christopher and RIP
@therealKINDLE
@therealKINDLE 3 жыл бұрын
Reeve was the best Superman but he was an even better human. RIP Man of Steel - with a Soft Centre.
@Ensign_Cthulhu
@Ensign_Cthulhu Жыл бұрын
That's WHY he was the best Superman. Everything Superman was in his soul, Reeve was.
@Verdadeiro
@Verdadeiro 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I loved and still love Superman IV!
@Randolo10
@Randolo10 8 ай бұрын
Chris was great in village of the dammed , I always remember his performance in that. Watching it on a tiny tv in the dark ages. RIP
@amelendez6270
@amelendez6270 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, better edition and what superb end! Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@kanyewestlive6905
@kanyewestlive6905 3 жыл бұрын
This was a very good retrospective
@quentinbryantart5684
@quentinbryantart5684 3 жыл бұрын
Really nicely put together, I enjoyed watching that. 👍
@saipuakivikaupias
@saipuakivikaupias Жыл бұрын
Extremely well done, thank you for sharing.
@andrewgonzalez6208
@andrewgonzalez6208 Жыл бұрын
Watched the whole thing and cried at the end
@mattb9664
@mattb9664 3 жыл бұрын
I watched the movie objectively last night after not seeing it for about 20-30 years. The special effects are easy to go after..even when I was 8 or 9 watching this, I knew they were bad at the time. In the movie itself, there are absolutely no pauses at all. The movie is just one big, long string of events and discussions. When Superman gets injured, that's a questionable pause, but he's recovered in about 3-5 minutes onscreen. There isn't enough time for the audience to recognize how menacing or seriously dangerous Nuclear Man really is, which is a waste. And the plot mechanism used for Lex Luther to create Nuclear Man (he just gets to act like a reckless, 4-Star General??) was just way too convenient..it's something out of a children's storybook. The movie seems more like a short, bite sized side story than anything else. Superman I&II are master pieces (in all their various versions), III is a very good spin off type story worthy of a rewatch once a year, and IV is worth watching just one time to once every 10 years. It's a shame they tricked Christopher Reeve into doing the movie...at least he was still very convincing as Clark and Superman throughout the whole movie.
@TheOther644
@TheOther644 3 жыл бұрын
3 was visually better then 4 but 4 had money, scene cuts, visual cuts etc which Jon Cryer even admitted to which 3 didn't have any of those and was still bad. For me the only saving grace to 4 was Nuclear Man and when I watch the movie its only the scenes his in.
@ethanberry9846
@ethanberry9846 3 жыл бұрын
Remember kryptonite just makes Superman a bit tired, at worse gives him a bit of a cold. Lol
@sha11235
@sha11235 3 жыл бұрын
Superman 2 was fine.
@integrity101
@integrity101 3 жыл бұрын
Donner cut destroys the theatrical version
@integrity101
@integrity101 3 жыл бұрын
@Angelo What?
@integrity101
@integrity101 3 жыл бұрын
@Angelo For the most part. You never saw Superman 2 Donner cut??
@integrity101
@integrity101 3 жыл бұрын
@Angelo They are DVD also. Check ebay
@sha11235
@sha11235 3 жыл бұрын
@@integrity101 Well, I liked some of the stuff that was in the Lester version that I missed in the Donner cut. I think both versions are the same to me. Pretty good.
@thesupply353
@thesupply353 Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel this week. Well researched, written, and edited
@MarklovesAngels
@MarklovesAngels 10 ай бұрын
There were thousands of stories in the comic books that would've been great for 3 & 4 but as usual, Hollywood preferred to make up crap and watch their box office receipts dwindle.
@jamespilcher5287
@jamespilcher5287 3 жыл бұрын
I love Superman III. I watched it endlessly when I was a kid. There are a lot of strange and unusual set-pieces and concepts that really had an impact on me.
@toddhunter3137
@toddhunter3137 5 ай бұрын
Yeah me too, Superman 3 had a really strange feel to it. A lot of folks don't like the 3rd movie but it's one of my favourites from the 80s.
@gmil4life
@gmil4life Жыл бұрын
Chris acting was always on point in every Superman movie. He’s the one who can make a not so great movie very watchable. Just wish donner would have been able to finish 2 and go forward. Imagine the series we could of gotten
@dearyvettetn4489
@dearyvettetn4489 5 ай бұрын
Superman III was the only theater movie that I ever walked out on and I was a teenager when it released. It was that insulting and time wasting. I don’t thing I even made it halfway though the picture. This compared to the two previous films where my younger brother and I would spend an entire Saturday afternoon in the theater watching them over and over again. ❤Thank you for this fascinating content.
@carlosr1176
@carlosr1176 Жыл бұрын
The man inspired many with his iconic depiction of superman and went on to inspire many more in real life after his accident. One of the most bittersweet tales in Hollywood.
@JukeboxBalowski
@JukeboxBalowski 3 жыл бұрын
Superman II was the best, and Superman III was also an excellent movie, so the only one that actually sucked was #4.
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu 2 жыл бұрын
Superman 2 was widly regarded as the best film. It's only a recent hipster thing that people attack it due to the directing drama.
@shenglong9818
@shenglong9818 2 жыл бұрын
Superman 1 the best.
@countdread6467
@countdread6467 Жыл бұрын
Amazing documentary and much appreciated. He was Superman to me starting at a very young age. Always will. Thanks for everything Chris. :)
@BracerJack
@BracerJack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this amazing docu :D
@E4RLIES
@E4RLIES Жыл бұрын
9:11 Whoa there kid, you best pump ya brakes before dismissing Blood Sports or Missing in Action! 😲
@porterijsseldijk3953
@porterijsseldijk3953 2 жыл бұрын
What an underrated channel
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow 2 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it!
@civilwarfare101
@civilwarfare101 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Donner and Reeve at the end of all this. Stuff like this is why I tend to be soft on Zack Snyder. The guy already had to reinvent a character who was around for a long time, telling an origin story that was told over 9000 times in a way that is new and fresh, I get why MoS was made the way it was. I'd probably do the same in some ways.
@apreviousseagle836
@apreviousseagle836 Жыл бұрын
You needed smarter people to do the ambitious take that Snyder tried. You have to try to get away from the "Chris Reeve" shadow, while at the same time, make your Superman likeable and iconic. That level of story writing IMO is only capable by very smart writers and directors, and not hacks like Snyder and David Goyer. I'm sure they were masturbating furiously when they wrote the scene of the drunk trucker guy throwing a pitcher of beer at Clark's face. Oh look, Clark is so stoic! he knows if he fights back, he will turn that guy into pink mist.......................................................but let's go ahead and destroy the guy's truck, which is probably how the guy makes his income. Hahahahahahahaha it's hilarious!!!...............NOT! That would be like me, getting into a similar situation. Some asshat throws a pitcher of beer at me. I "let it go" but I go to my car, get a shotgun, find the guy's truck and blast it full of holes. They must have been smelling their own farts with that writing: "See??? See??? Superman is a good person. He could have killed that guy, but we know you still want to see the guy punished, so we destroyed his truck instead!! we are so smart!!! SMRT!!!"
@yusuo
@yusuo Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and wow my dude this is incredibly well edited and written, you put the work in and it shows
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@fatbastard51
@fatbastard51 10 ай бұрын
I always come back to the interview when the reporter asked him about superman. he said it so clearly "a friend."
@genxtasy9914
@genxtasy9914 Жыл бұрын
That bear being thrown in space and the talking chimp is amazing
@nicholasperl1484
@nicholasperl1484 3 жыл бұрын
You know what? I actually kind of like this movie. Very flawed, but enjoyable.
@davehandelman2832
@davehandelman2832 2 жыл бұрын
It ALWAYS sucks to watch a Superman/Chris Reeve doc. It always ends the same way. So heartbreaking. Great video!
@mainsource8030
@mainsource8030 Жыл бұрын
unless you uncover a mandela effect
@adamdavis9838
@adamdavis9838 Жыл бұрын
Even paralysed I know of one more movie Reeve starred in. Was a very decent remake of Rear Window in which his paralysis is confining him to his apartment rather than a broken leg. Even used it as a near kill method for the killer cutting Reeve's breathing apparatus.
@LarryLeeMoniz
@LarryLeeMoniz Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic analysis of an iconic franchise, led down a dark path. Nicely done!
@Adarkane325xi
@Adarkane325xi 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought Gene Hackman intentionally said “nucular” as sort of a “so smart he’s dumb”-type of gag. Because (his) Luthor is always bragging about being the greatest at everything.
@akfreed6949
@akfreed6949 Жыл бұрын
Or " special Olympics " presidumbass Bush
@Adarkane325xi
@Adarkane325xi Жыл бұрын
@@akfreed6949 I don’t know what that has to do with the price of tea in China, but i *do* know that liberalism is a mental disorder. I’m no fan of either Bush, i think the first was a fraud and the second was a RINO. Trump ‘24, bitch.
@Valmont1978
@Valmont1978 2 жыл бұрын
You lost me at Superman II was a shit show. Any version of that movie whether it's Richard Lester or Richard Donner cut, is nothing short of a mythical masterpiece.
@ItWasAShtShow
@ItWasAShtShow 2 жыл бұрын
Regardless of the quality of either film, the MAKING of it was still a Sh*t Show.
@Launchpad05
@Launchpad05 2 жыл бұрын
@@ItWasAShtShow I think 'Superman 2' was the least bad of the movies that followed the original.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
@@Launchpad05 Superman 2 was my favourite Superman movie. Better than the first. Better than every subsequent movie. But alternative views are worthy of respect as well.
@glazersout4272
@glazersout4272 Жыл бұрын
Superman II was a great movie. How can you think of calling it a shit show?
@chadgrov
@chadgrov Жыл бұрын
@@glazersout4272 he’s talking about the filming of it not the quality of the movie. Jesus watch the video.
@NITE_SHIFTING
@NITE_SHIFTING 4 ай бұрын
Really enjoying these. Nice tribute at the end as well.
@kjamison5951
@kjamison5951 10 ай бұрын
I remember watching Brandon Routh and being surprised at how like Christopher Reeve he looked and sounded. They can put anyone in that blue suit, Chris Reeve will always be the best Superman of them all.
@bonvoyage1700
@bonvoyage1700 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson.. as a kid I’ve always wonder why 1st Superman movie were so much better in special effects than the others that came out years after...
@Critic_Chris90210
@Critic_Chris90210 2 жыл бұрын
I always enjoyed Part 4 despite the errors it had for what it was. I thought it was more seriously toned than Superman 3 ever was to be reckon with. I agree that the film was made in the wrong hands of people like Cannon,etc. And their mistake to over spend on multiple films at the sametime with all of them having such cheap budgets to go on that they all failed. I mean, what the heck were the head hunchos even thinking to stretch money out so thin. I doubt even Reeve himself could've saved Supergirl from failure if he agree to have minor role or cameo in it. It had such bad plot/story,mostly cast to it except Helen Slater & Mark McClure reprising his role.I think imo Superman 4 might of been better if some of the deleted scenes weren't cut outta the film cause some of them helped the film make more sense to the viewers,especially between Lacy/Nuclearman 2 and how/why he went after her. Among other scenes. I think the ending in the final cut was better imo than original with Superman/Jeremy flying in space. Some scenes work while some don't for the film. Like the cast said, they released a unfinished film with really no good budget.
@dhenderson1810
@dhenderson1810 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the budget cut they gave "Superman IV" was used to fund "Masters Of The Universe".
@3rdalbum
@3rdalbum Жыл бұрын
The premise for Superman 4 ("what if Superman used his powers to enforce nuclear disarmament ") is half of what's good about it - it's a shame it devolves quickly into "superhero versus supervillain" rather than a more nuanced movie of him trying to fix the chaos that such an action would realistically cause.
@joeydutton8074
@joeydutton8074 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Superman 4 in the theater and thinking, "Wow, this is absolutely terrible." I was actually embarrassed to be seen leaving the theater.
@jasoncrane
@jasoncrane 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect to moved by a video about Superman IV. Great work.
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