Hearing mr girl fans agree and justify his outrageous takes for the sake of art and nuance is scaryy

He talks to men and women very differently. He cussed out his gf, and Brittany Simon in their conversations, but always gives destiny respect.

Mr Girl's goal is to tell everyone that they are as bad as he is. Hes trying to say that everything bad about himself is just human nature, and we have to accept it! His goal is not to admit wrong doings and try to change by having a discussion about it.

Destiny feels more like a dad then a friend to Mr girl in this discussion as he expected destiny to be proud of what he is and to accept him as he has taken destiny's belief system and warped it to fit his narrative but since destiny doesn't accept him he is perplexed and seems agitated he can't get his way

This is what I'm hearing as a biased perspective: "if i can publicly coerce my partner into r*pe... im not actually r*ping them"

1:17:50 if Mr. Girl recognizes that he’s abusive and actively selects tactics he feels will get him what he wants effectively, using my Google PhD, I’d call him a sociopath. He knows what he’s doing is abusive, he understands how to use empathy and emotion to hook people in, and he doesn’t care so long as he gets what he wants.

I’ve listened to so many male commentators empathize and agree with Mr. girls takes and not be appalled by his stories and so its refreshing af to see a man see hes dysfunctional and a scary person

He's asking his girlfriend to consent to being dehumanised on a schedule and in one of the most vulnerable situation humans (especially women) get in. Not only that but he is purposely creating a manipulative and pressuring environment to do it ; he does it on camera, in front of an audience of people who idolise him, and he lies to her about what the conversation is gonna be about, effectively removing the possibility for her to actually reflect freely on whether she'd be comfortable doing it or not and putting her on the spot. He was also being very aggressive in the way he talked to her, telling her to shut up, calling her manipulative every time she opened her mouth, laughing at her when she broke down. Also the way she behaved during that conversation, being very submissive and hesitant, is a huge red flag indicating she's being abused. It's such a normal thing not to be able to establish clear and direct boundaries on such an unusual ask on the spot (with the added pressure of the camera). Especially because he's very good at making it appear as if it's a very rational thing to expect from someone.

I get the vibe from this guy that he's got antisocial personality traits if not straight sociopathy and is desperately trying to prove that everyone else is the same as him, they're just lying to themselves.

Destiny is way too kind to MrGirl.

Id take Fresh&Fit happily over guys like this 10 times over.

He wants to punish Shaelin because she reminds him of himself. It's a self-harm thing for him: he'd get off on exacting to her what he has felt at some point. I guarantee it. I've known men like this my whole life. They resent women because they want them. And they want to punish them for that want, and for them to understand that perceived helplessness. He's like Jeffrey Dahmer: he doesn't think anyone wants to organically be with him, he has to trick them and bond with them through trauma because he doesn't think he can bond any other way because he hates himself.

I feel bad for his gf. My brother used to be like this and still is to an extent. But he’s gotten better, but it used to be tiring to talk to him. He wanted us to say things in a specific way, told us how we feel, and then yelled when we weren’t giving into what he was saying. It was exhausting, I hope she gets out, or I hope the video was a joke but by this point it’s a dragged out joke. I hope Mrgirl has an actual man talk to him about this because that’s the only way he cowers, is when he’s confronted by a man. Destiny didn’t confront him enough.

He's revealing the fact that his attraction to young women has a lot more to do with them being vulnerable and more easily manipulated than he otherwise let on and/or consciously realises

I like that Destiny called his view on her going on stream a rationalisation and not reasoning. A subtle dig pointing out how delusional Mr Girl sounds that he completely spins in his head to be a compliment when it really isn't.

I’m calling it right now, he’s going to end up being a serial killer and setting the bodies up to be his real dolls.

Boy o boy. Literally until yesterday I was actually believing (maybe only hoping) that MrGirl is an act or this is all a joke. This guy literally is admitting that he wants her to answer in a way all doubt is removed that he has full consent to exactly what he wants. Or to not do it at all. Without having to do anything extra. While she has a right to answer the proposed sexual act in any way she wants, with doubts, without, with concerns, with emotional anything and everything. He conveniently removes the idea that the proposed sexual act in itself is not provoking in any way. The way he wants someone to just say yes, no or let me come back to you on that is insane. It's not a business proposal. I can't imagine a world where his girlfriend is happy in any way

Brittney said he treats Destiny like his cult leader. I think that was an accurate read.

I just could not care less about this dude. I'm more interested in finding out why any woman would date him. His girlfriend is really pretty and could replace him in a heartbeat. So sad.

This is something that most people don’t talk about or go through. I agree with everything papa is saying but it’s the first time I’m hearing it in words which is appreciated.

Ohhh I get it now. Mr. Girl thinks any outward emotion (especially and maybe exclusively by women) is manipulation. He doesn't understand that sometimes I'm crying because I'm sad not because you need to do anything about it. And that's toxic shit man.

"He doesn't fit into any space" " you can extrapaliate what you want from that" . Got it Papa, I will start a gofundme page to raise money to put out a hit on Mr Girl.

PapaGut, your analysis here is impeccable. Thank you.

When I listen to Mr Girl talk, all I want to do is hold up a cross and yell “I did not pass through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a witness worm!” He’s on some real Grima Wormtongue mess. His words are poison.

He knows what he's talking about, Papa gut, he's doing a thing called backpeddaling. He respects destiny too much to be himself as much as he is with his abused gf.

Papa the goat, I get super invested in hearing what you have to say in these sorts of issues as it teaches me well, you have a very good way of conveying thoughts in such a comprehensive ways which had led me to practice my own critical thinking.

she literally said in the very beginning "I'm not sure I'll have to think about this first" and HE kept pushing her. he's a fucking liar. he said to destiny he would have been fine if she had said that but SHE DID. that wasn't good enough for him.

"if she's into it then i wouldnt want it " that's a million times creepy

papa gut literally read my mind in this vid, he explained nonverbal and subliminal abuse tactics so well, based papa 🙏🏼

Papa my body is ready for this 2 hour video

The way he talks to Destiny is way different than how he talks to Shaylin.

I also think Max is saying she is being abusive when she gets her feeling at hurt and she cries.

Good timing papa I just got done watching your previous Mr Girl video

At this point, MrGirl is just 'there'. It's like he has a soul but at the same time doesn't. He sounds like he wants a vampire just the way he talks about what he needs or wants in women. So while everyone was so focused on Jared Leto and his cult, they can't see the ones forming beneath celebrities. I honestly feel like if he had a bit more power over a community, aside from his own, he might have gone forward with it and expanded where possible. His gf is either a great actress or is truly in trouble.

Mr Girl is literally and i do believe this 100% a chaos magician.

To this day since I first heard about this guy Max, I always wondered why a grown man called himself “Mr. Girl?

Mr Girl saying he wants to be more like a teenager is eerily similar to some of the things Michael Jackson said

2:12:00 THANK YOU. I kept saying daddy issues, and felt so fucking unheard lol. I really appreciate that you get it man.

He literally wants to force her to drink that grape soda against her will once a month. He's talking his way around it. Screw all this muddying the waters.

There's something about hearing the game play in the background that's very satisfying

1:50:30 - I wonder if Destiny was so burned by Hassan that he doesn't trust his judge of character as much anymore.

Shaylin was just asking clarifying questions she Max flipped out.

She needs to run. RUN. For all the reasons ppl have said.

The concept of "true" consent being able to be removed/renegotiated at any time sends me down a thought train of the ethics of non-disclosure agreements 🤔? I've always felt there's something fundamentally unethical about them, tbh

I know you can't just jail ppl for preventative measures, but I don't see therapy helping, or anything else. He's just going to keep escalating his behavior, especially with how many ppl actually encourage and agree with him. Ppl like him definitely do not deserve a platform, and he's just going to get worse over time. Everyone who likes his content should be on a watch list.

To all the people that had the displeasure in encountering this thing in irl: Yup, he's a creep. Sorry I'm still watching this and to me this is what I've concluded: This bs probably went through something as a child (either he went through these events or he had these dark thoughts all his life and now feels "safe" enough to exploit these fantasies) and desperately wants to reenact these events as an adult and force someone into this idea and throws a tantrum when any amount of disagree occurs. 55:03 ok I see what destiny did. He's doing the "befriend" tactic That police officer story is sad...no amount of therapy can't fix that...

I really wish you would talk to him because you wouldn’t allow him to get away with saying whatever he wants. He needs a wake up call man. You need to put him in his place.

Hey idk if ur gonna see this papa but around 1:01:14 when the conversation was about charisma and u said it was bizarre it’s actually really not. Charisma is very often used by real world leaders to sway and manipulate populations so like a charismatic person can convince people with very little actual logic. So charisma can actually be a really big red flag in manipulation. For example when people where pointing out that Donald trump has some fascist tendencies they pointed to the fact that both hitler and trump where super charismatic. Cult leaders are also super charismatic and I think from personal experience manipulators are often times super charismatic. Charisma can be used to convince people in situations where they normally wouldn’t do it. So think of a way a cult leader can convince his followers to do crazy shit, it’s not the logic behind his rhetoric but usually the egos the emotion that convinces people aka there charisma. But charisma is not bad by it’s own it often even be good but can be a red flag for potential abuse.

Yes! You can rescind consent at ANY time. That doesn’t make what happened before that point r@p$ but anything after might be.

Any creator platforming/engaging with mrgirl is guilty of spreading the acceptance of domestic abuse…

Yo papa can you try and get Mr girl on to talk to you like you did with Def noodles. Idk why I wanna see you absolutely body him. He's so annoying. He's someone who deserves a wakeup call.

Papa Gut has become my new favorite channel lately! Love the content and your honest opinion on things

You say he can just break up with her like it would be that easy for him. If he breaks up with her what other woman would have him?

this is the rhetoric I've heard from guys with EDD that are barely coping. hanging by a thread.

1:00:54 Uhh... charisma has pretty much nothing to do with morality. In fact, it's one of the most important traits in a cult leader. It just means you can get people to like you

Mrgaslight: nick Fuentes is a terrible and you shouldn't be so charitable to horrible people Destiny: ok Mrgaslight: 😮

Destiny is friendly because he allows people to expose who they are regardless of what his opinion is of them. And he sees it as a tool to understand and root out bad ideas. But i do agree MrGirl is all trash

I feel like Max makes assumptions in his head about Shaylin than acts like what he thinks she thinks is what she said.

L mr girl

He really is so delusional. How could mr girl get this perspective from that scenario that everyone saw. He tries to reframe the situation but it makes no sense.

broooo i dont wanna see this guy anymore to be honest lol no more gut no more

I completely agree with you papa, I think he genuinely thinks he’s not abusive anymore, or at least not as abusive he once was. I don’t think he understands that he can be emotionally abusive and manipulative, just like he sees his girlfriend. I think he might be narcissist or something because at least to me it’s obvious he doesn’t process someone else’s emotions like we do. To him it’s only me me me.

Idk why papa gut takes chat words so easily sometimes cause at the beginning of the vid someone said “destiny likes max cause they’re similar but lack social skills” which isn’t necessarily the full case and is rather out of context

This aged well

I think Mr. Girl uses silence as a manipulation tactic. He'll become silent which makes some people (not Destiny, lol) uncomfortable to the point where they'll try to fill the silence. It worked on his gf; he would say something wild then pause, then she would nervously laugh or change her position on something.

oh he will for sure be arrested for something eventually.

2:05:36 Hey, dude. Love your channel. However, I‘d refrain from using slurs as synonyms in the future. Using slurs in general doesn’t usually make you look like a good person. I’m more accepting of it from Destiny and Mrgirl simply because I don’t expect any better from them, but you seem to have intellect and potential. And the use of slurs usually cause people to be more closedminded and ignorant. Just a thought. Have a great day.

Can we all acknowledge that if Destiny was reacting to Vaush or Hasan or Demonmama or anyone else from his usual rogues gallery saying this shit that he would be extremely alarmed and would push back alot harder? I dont know why he treats Max with the kid gloves, when he is clearly dealing with an insane person. Mrgirl employs every shady debate tactic in the average piece of shit sophist's toolbelt and Destiny for some reason, who is supposed to be the veteran debater is acting like he is dealing with good faith arguments.

1:36 cool, the mrs brought up the obvious ? Are you daft ? .... but guess what none of you brought up ? If some1 does that, walk, ghost, block, ban, mute, eject, ignore, disown.... as if mrgirl could force anyone. Well, he could with your audience sayin this dumb crap. He also wheeled "mYwIfe" out to solidify arguments

Would mr girl be considered a predator for being so manipulative to his Gf? I understand she still consents but it seems really predatory… sry if it’s a dumb label of what he is as a person

Everyone makes mistakes sure, mr girl is just someones mistake.

“Incel Star Wars!” 😄😂😅

Is his girlfriend actually okay with him talking about this shit for the world to see or does he just not give a fuck what she thinks? This is mad weird to be talking about with someone like this and I don't know legit anything about these people but don't destiny and mrgirl hate each other I thought Mrgirl was writing an article or something about destiny being a creep or some shit? tf is going on

Max always changes the goal posts and shan’t to have things both ways.

holy shit... i don't know the start of this drama... but jesus christ... this dude is really unhinged... even if you thought those rapey thoughts, why would you even say them on camera to millions of people? that's what's even scarier! he doesn't see anything wrong or bad about what he is saying. wtf

I think he really believes she did horrible things. 🙄😳

Me at mine 5:00 Oh if this is an assassination, then I'll watch. I cannot stand his bullshit going on unbridled.

Liverwurst is so good.

I don't think he's asking for her not to enjoy it, I think he's asking for the two of them to hook up, and for her to either enthusiastically consent or not consent to his plan, without ambiguity. If she's deliberately making it so that he has to question himself, if that's what's happening, that's not ok. That's the difference between having to be considerate of her vs. having to be concerned about her. The latter _could_ be psychological abuse. That's not really what he's articulating though, so I may be way off.

destiny looks like MrGirl in cursive

MrGirl is a horrible human being, the documentary on him shows how bad the guy really is

Max is not a feminist

2:58... why wyy wouldnt you why. Instant muted his own rubbish interruption.... used for intro ? Ok. Not watching.

This video made me not dislike destiny as much.

Basically, he likes it when they hate it

Mrgirl is truly a monster

In the opening few seconds, what video is PG talking about when he says “ idk what to think after we just watched the thing”? Can someone point me to the video PG is referencing please and thank you?

" allegedly " she is trans and he " talked her out of it because trans isn't real" my hope is that this is just some art project

What happened to the videos on the H3 situation?

It's funny how many people in Destiny's audience think Destiny hates women.

Do people care if the content creators they watch are "good" or "moral" people? It just really doesn't matter to me much at all

This is the first time I commented in 2 months, hi papa gut*

That's 1 sick puppy. Mr. Girl is a terrible name btw

1:31:15 Absolute destiny derangement syndrome by chat lol

I knew Mr. Girl was a POS. Terrible.

1:01:50 this is one of the first dumb things papa gut as said, being charismatic and being manipulative arent disassociative be with one another in fact the more charismatic the person is the more capable they are at manipulating you.

Do you stream?

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Destiny describing what sex is definitely outed him as someone who hasn’t had sex

haha yeah I 100% agree with u lol