The Many Mysteries of Homo Naledi

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The Many Mysteries of Homo Naledi

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The relatively new discovery of Homo naledi provided us with a treasure trove of information, but the mysterious circumstances that surround this previously-unknown evolutionary cousin are still being worked on.
Think you might have a scenario that explains the details of the case? Post it in the comments below.
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References:
1 Berger et al. (2015) Homo naledi, a new species of the genus Homo from the Dinaledi Chamber, South Africa
2 Ruff (2009) Relative Limb Strength and Locomotion in Homo habilis
3 Kimbel, Johanson & Rak (1997) Systematic Assessment of a Maxilla of Homo From Hadar, Ethiopia
4 Meyer et al. (2016) Nuclear DNA sequences from the Middle Pleistocene Sima de los Huesos Hominins
5 Thackeray (2015) Estimating the Age and Affiniites of Homo naledi
6 Dirks et al. (2017) The age of Homo naledi and associated sediments in the Rising Star Cave, South Africa
7 Vidal et al. (2022) Age of the Oldest Known Homo sapiens from Eastern Africa
8 Dirks et al. (2015) Geological and Taphonomic Context for the New Hominin Species Homo naledi from the Dinaledi Chamber, South Africa
9 Hawks et al. (2017) New Fossil Remains of Homo naledi from the Lesedi Chamber, South Africa
10 Brophy et al. (2021) Immature Hominin Craniodental Remains from a New Locality in the Rising Star Cave System, South Africa
11 Bermúdez de Castro et al. (2004) Paleodemography of the Atapuerca: Sima de los Huesos Hominin Sample: A Revision and New Approaches to the Paleodemography of the European Middle Pleistocene Population
12 Elliot et al. (2021) Expanded Explorations of the Dinaledi Subsystem, Rising Star Cave System, South Africa
13 Dirks et al. (2016) Deliberate Body Disposal by Hominins in the Dinaledi Chamber, Cradle of Humankind, South Africa?
14 Stiner (2017) Love and Death in the Stone Age: What Constitutes First Evidence of Mortuary Treatment of the Human Body?
15 Val (2016) Deliberate Body Disposal by Hominins in the Dinaledi Chamber, Cradle of Humankind, South Africa?
16 Dicke and Roth (2015) Neuronal Factors Determining High Intelligence
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@adrasteia3866 Жыл бұрын

This video came out about a year ago. Since then Lee Berger has talked about how he and his team have found the remains of fire in several places in the cave and that he has found etchings on some cave walls that look much too regular for them to be a natural occurance.

@valentinazornik1052 Жыл бұрын

The thought of these ancient humans taking their loved ones to this cave to bury them and preserve them actually led to them being immortalised is so beautiful to me. They wanted to keep them safe in death and they succeeded

@glenchapman3899 2 жыл бұрын

I can not speak for others, but the more I learn about these ancient Homoni, the more the sense of kinship I have with them. The fact this could be a burial chamber is a very haunting concept. To do what they did (assuming it is correct) means they had a sense of time, and with it a sense of their own mortality.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

It’s entirely possible, which is wild to think about. However, can’t forget that bodily disposal can be purely practical and doesn’t necessarily imply those sorts of cognitions.

@glenchapman3899 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP Absolutely. I do wonder about that child skull though. That did seem a very deliberate act. We will just have to wait to see if more sites are unearthed and what they might tell us either way.

@potaxe8048 Жыл бұрын

They fear the deads... like we do. They put them in an inaccesible place, and we put a big, heavy, stone on them to make sure they cannot come back.

@jimkillough8340 Жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP Think again perhaps? The separate disposal of familial bodies and common refuse is clearly Human. No other bones or deritus found down in the deposition area. I should be more concerned about the ink black darkness of the area and how the responsible members performing these actions of transport and placement of the bodies, communicated from one to another the expected layout of the cave and their responsibilities. Language and elevated learning skills perhaps! Grunting and gesture is not going to get it. lol

@jamesschneider2091 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation. The H. naledi enigma is seriously intriguing. I have to suspect that "the scene of the crime" was appreciably more than "barely accessible" when these hominins moved dead to said cave chambers . . . has to be a geological shift event(s). After all, our gracile, young and athletic volunteer paleo-cavers were challenged with the best lighting & gear we could give them. The idea that these australopith-like primates moved dead through the current gauntlet of barriers with fire light or no light is implausible. I do think the volunteers who did the hard work of accessing the chambers and excavating the fossils deserve a hand of applause! 👏👏👏😉

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

It’s certainly hard to imagine. They’re searching for evidence of fire (i.e. torchlight) in there now, so I’m keeping an eye in it.

@Alkis05 Жыл бұрын

Well, but we did it. And the Nadeli were anatomically more capable then we are. They were smaller and adept climbers. With a life style that don't rely on using light, they might have been more apt at dealing with darkness than we are. Also, the implausibility has to be weighted with the implausibility of other explanations. As I understand it, the looked every where for signs that there were other entrances, using very sophisticated technology and didn't find anything. How plausible is that? Idk, but maybe it is less plausible than the Nadeli entering the cave by themselves.

@comfortablynumb9342 Жыл бұрын

Yes it's tough for modern people to fit in that cave, but weren't H Naledi quite a bit smaller than us?

@Dreadybear.Ichode Жыл бұрын

They did extensive geological surveys to rule out significant structural changes, and concluded that the route has not significantly changed from what H Naledi traversed. They've also found evidence of fire!!! This in fact makes me even more baffled.

@comfortablynumb9342 Жыл бұрын

@@Dreadybear.Ichode fire and art. Amazing.

@ishmiel21 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool video. I totally agree with you that brain size does not equal intelligence. The brain of a crow is very tiny yet they have funerals for their dead comrades, crows can recognize faces, crows can use tools, and there is even some evidence that crows can describe the features of people to other crows.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Crows are so damn cool, man. I read an article on your last point some time ago and was blown away.

@ishmiel21 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP Yeah. Crows are super rad!

@madelynhernandez7453 2 жыл бұрын

they are awesome and I want to befriend a crow

@Foundry_made 2 жыл бұрын

Brain size doesn't matter, I will agree. However, brain architecture DOES. Even an amoeba has a rudimentary self - preservation instinct and will attempt to avoid predators. This behavior does not indicate self - awareness. In order to conceptualize things like the self, and by extension, an afterlife, which is what would cause an animal to exhibit funerary rituals, a vertebrate has to have a FRONTAL LOBE. Naledi didn't possess one of those, and in fact we don't see frontal lobe development in primates until we see Neanderthaloid primates such as Neanderthal, Denisovan, or Heldelbergensis. Even among those, the only actual burials showing proof of funerary rituals found have contained hybrids with H. S. Sapiens, who were more than likely born to a Sapiens mother as a result of Neanderthal sexual predation. The presence of a foot at the end of a leg rather than a hand, or the ability to USE a tool does not make a human. A frontal lobe does.

@bigalsnow8199 2 жыл бұрын

@@Foundry_made well...according to your science , with Neanderthal sexualy preying on our species...we would have responded by Wipeout of the predatory bastards. Just like I thought. How's that for a frontal lobe?

@jgood9810 2 жыл бұрын

The algorithm brought me here randomly. Great content, instantly subscribed

@kiwix2 2 жыл бұрын

Wicked video Riley. Interesting, suspenseful, and easy to understand all the new info. I love that you put the sources in the corner of the video as they come up!

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Liz! Glad you enjoyed it!

@pencilpauli9442 2 жыл бұрын

Seconded

@stupidminotaur9735 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP 2. things. 1. the climbing might/probably be for rock climbing very few trees in that area. 2. there's two skulls that look like the skulls of homo naledi found in the 1980's-1990's but put in homo erectus when found (i think found in kenya). 2.5 lee berger descried the 2 skulls in a video.

@annw7843 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you provide your references on screen.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Human origins on KZfaq has a generally bad reputation, and I'd like to make sure I let folks know I do my due diligence when talking about this stuff. Very glad when the work involved gets appreciated.

@ag-om6nr 2 жыл бұрын

Love your voice and presentation style ! Thnx !

@nobody8328 2 жыл бұрын

Clicked on the hair, subed for the content! I can't wait to see this channel blow up 🙂

@desiderata8811 2 жыл бұрын

What a nice straightforward way to explain. Gladly subscribed!

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Very glad you enjoyed it!

@lepospondyl 2 жыл бұрын

My personal theory is that naledi were distressed by their deceased companions being scavenged by birds and other predators. They were not big or strong enough to intimidate scavengers so instead they brought their dead to the cave where they would be out of reach.

@outinthesticks1035 Жыл бұрын

That could be , or if they lived in permanent camps then they would not want the dead to draw scavengers or predators. Other prey species will leave the area . Predator species will often consume the dead if they are not able to leave , but they might have been removing them

@WillyOrca Жыл бұрын

Or we discovered evidence from the first known hominid serial killer.

@Notsheep79 Жыл бұрын

It was a pleasure to listen this. I hope you come back.

@victorcontreras9138 Жыл бұрын

You're so right that Naledi is so interesting! It's the most intriguing of all the other Homo cases to me. I tend to think that in there time, the cave passage ways might have been more open. After all, the earth does settle and change. As far as light, maybe there was a break somewhere distant that allowed a little bit of light.

@spiderhssstt 2 жыл бұрын

So happy to have stumbled upon your channel. Very interesting.😊😊😊

@alpimarzi5501 2 жыл бұрын

Okay that was SO good. I can’t believe I found this channel and all these deliciously smart passionate nerdy comments. And I totally have a crush on the presenter. Subscribed! This is my new favorite spot on the internet.

@votedvomit 2 жыл бұрын

Got yourself another subscriber .10/10 for video and information

@efnissien 2 жыл бұрын

Caves are dynamic environments, features like the 'Dragons back' may not have existed when the remains were deposited, as it appears to have been part of the roof at one time. There does also appear to have been other access points that have sealed up in antiquity (as well as a 'drain' for water to escape) - some bones have been found near the current entry point into the chamber so it's more probable the bones were washed into the location - the chamber is only about 200 feet into the cave - and with the exception of the dragons back, all down hill.

@AB-wf8ek 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, my first thought was a group of people getting caught in a flash flood and swept into the cave. A horrific thought, but I haven't seen any mention of the idea.

@emseebe 2 жыл бұрын

Just found your channel, this was very interesting, thank you.

@alpimarzi5501 2 жыл бұрын

LOVE the opening/intro graphics.

@dwanpol-lovesdonuts 2 жыл бұрын

I have maintained the belief since childhood that the sophisticated behavior of Homo Sapiens is not unique but rather a culmination of traits both passed down from direct ancestors and observations of cousins. It seems more and more that anthropologists are suggesting that this is indeed the case.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! There were a few who supported this back in the day, but we’re finding more evidence and potential ‘hints’ that this appears to be the case. It’s better supported now than it was then.

@jessemiller7540 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! The music sounds really good

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

I’m way happier with this tune.

@dvdrtrgn 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP Music is too loud. Serves no real purpose. Why should it compete with the info we are really here for ?

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

@@dvdrtrgn I agree with the volume. Music’s been turned down in the following episode and I’m constantly working on audio where it’s a knowledge gap of mine. I understand the music itself isn’t for everyone, but it adds to the overall production quality of the show for most, and, admittedly, hides some of the flaws in the voice audio.

@amandahurst2786 9 ай бұрын

your video is more detailed than the netflix special.... thank you

@jeffreyshannon6159 2 жыл бұрын

You make excellent videos and I am looking forward to more. They are well-researched, well-balanced, and well-presented. There was nothing new to me in this one as I have been following the Naledi story for some time. However, I like the idea of Lee Berger being described as "less gracile."

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words. 'Less gracile' is part of my everyday vocabulary now (mostly self-referentially).

@jeffreyshannon6159 Жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP So, Dr. Berger lost fifty-five pounds, crawled into the cave, and then apparently discovered Nadeli used fire.

@michaelsupak7436 2 жыл бұрын

Somehow stumbled across this video, as a history major myself, gotta say, Great Job!

@Rune_Scholar 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think brain size is as important a factor in intelligence as we think it is.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

I agree! There are many more factors at play that appear to have a larger influence than size, such as Neuron density.

@pvyll777 2 жыл бұрын

Admittedly way out of left field but if they co-existed with the much more numerous Neanderthals & Humans who had the burial concept perhaps one of those local types buried dead Naheli there for whatever reason. Or perhaps some of the Nedali were copying what they saw them doing.

@terenceokane 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like I just clicked onto a PBS-offshoot show like Eons or something. This video is completely on par with their productions and yet you only have just over 1k subs? Hope that changes soon, im sure it will with videos like this! +1 Subscriber and can't wait to see more!

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

That’s too kind. Thank you! PBS Eons is a big inspiration for this show but I’ve still got work before I can compete with them visually. One day!

@victoriawhite3662 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! I think that EONS viewers will love this channel! How do we get them here?

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

@@victoriawhite3662 Love that enthusiasm!

@richb2229 Жыл бұрын

Older information, now, but a very good presentation.

@rockinbobokkin7831 Жыл бұрын

You probably have already heard, but Hawkes might be revising the fire in the cave. It's possible that there is abundant evidence that everyone looked right past.

@jimkillough8340 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Odd, you seem to ignore some of the more pertinent points of the similarities between ourselves and Holmo Neledi, the thoroughly modern human foot and ankle (that precludes any tree climbing beyond what we are capable of, and they are great for walking and running long distances), the extreme similarity of the Upper and Lower palate and tooth arrangement (comparable to our own modern arrangement of teeth or the indication that a similar arrangement would suggest a similar diet or Food environment). None of these have a resemblance to Australepethicine, Homo Sediba, and, Homo Habilus. I'm probably in over my head here? The mention of the curved finger arrangement could easily be a necessity to manipulate common items in their environment (closer examination of the first three joints of the finger joints of the right and left hand digits, should indicate possible overwear and distortion from limb grasping and hanging, as opposed to lighter wear from more common stresses produced by manipulation. True, there has been no indication of tools discovered, yet. However, as you expressed, it is early. Oh and one more thing, the interior of the Homo Naledi skull indicates a more modern human brain structure and arrangement in its' interior shape than any other Hominid observed-recorded. That is probably not fair considering the meager supply of alternative fossil remains for comparison. Still, food for thought. I am still glad to see your video, there should be more discussion on this subject. Sorry, we all babble with age 😑.

@fryeg7 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Intentional ‘burial’ is the only conclusion that makes sense.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

I think some sort of death trap situation is also very possible, but actual burials sometimes look less like one than this situation does. It's certainly earned the opportunity to be explored further.

@asdfasdf-dd9lk 2 жыл бұрын

holy crap how do you only have 850 subs!

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

6 days later and I’ve passed 1300. I think just might be working.

@Zanz0vida 9 ай бұрын

Cool to see someone examining competing hypothesis and explicitly stating that neither can be ruled out. I personally think that the death trap hypothesis is more plausible than the deliberate burial hypothesis. I think we have a tendency to project our own behavior onto species who (despite being classified under genus homo) would have probably demonstrated completely different behavior, so I think a lot of people have a bias towards the burial hypothesis despite the simplest explanation being the death trap. Imagine the logistics of one situation vs the other. For the burial hypothesis, the group would have had to coordinate the behavior of multiple individuals to move a corpse of one of their group down into the cave, carried it through the PITCH BLACK tunnels for the express purpose of dropping the body down the vertical shaft into the pit, and all this begs the question, for what purpose? Well if you ask me the burial hypothesis gives US an emotionally satisfying explanation for why we find these individuals there. For the death trap hypothesis, one or two individuals would have had to wander into the cave every so often, a small bipedal hominin would have had access to exploring tight regions and perhaps their curiosity lead them to feeling their way further and further in despite it being pitch black, they crawl over an opening and plummet 12 METERS down into a pit and end up dying there, we find these remains because the pit preserves them well. Why would a mother bring their infant with them for this? Well, probably because they might very well have carried them everywhere they went. And just because we can't imagine a modern human doing this with their infant does not mean that an ancient small brained hominin would have operated with the same degree of caution or foresight.

@Jarimir 2 жыл бұрын

Has anyone considered that a more "advanced" hominid used this cave as some sort of sacrificial chamber, and the naledi remains are the result of hominid on hominid violence?

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

These types of ideas are tough to disprove, but we don’t see any damage caused by violence on any of the Naledi skeletons, and we have no evidence of interhominin violence for this time period, it’s also tricky to find supporting evidence.

@pumpkinheadzj-o437 2 жыл бұрын

6:02 thought I was about to fall into the plot of the descent real quick 😅

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Been meaning to watch that, haha.

@janina8559 2 жыл бұрын

Your Channel is excellent and so glad I found it! KZfaq needs to push your algorithm to help it grow!

@heavypen 2 жыл бұрын

Nicely done. Looking forward to more.

@j.l.emerson592 2 жыл бұрын

Homo naledi is a small bodied hominin. It would have been easier for them to access the narrower passages than modern humans due to the size difference. The real question is if they had fire to light the way in the dark sections. I also wonder if the individual remains had skeletal articulation or if the remains were a jumbled mess. Was the infant skull on the ledge the only skeletal remains found in that area?

@janedoe4858 2 жыл бұрын

So so good ! I watch a lot of the videos on KZfaq and this is the BEST. Thank you 🌟

@CBruceNL 2 жыл бұрын

THE PIT OF BONES

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

“Hey guys what are we gonna call this place?” “It’s a pit… of bones…” “That’s perfect. We’ll go with that!”

@Bike0r 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid

@noahcarver6072 2 жыл бұрын

With quality content like this, you are destined to have many subscribers. One new one here.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@randygunn9499 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda weird I seen this video, I keep having a reoccurring dream of me and a group of friends running from a bunch of crazies and we always going deeper in a cave,dugout I don't know it was weird!.maybe they too were chased down there like I was. Just throwing my dreams at you!. Excellent video,your a great professor, teacher all around cool cat. Peace brother and thank you.

@KrazeeKeithKash Жыл бұрын

This was the first time I’ve seen any of your videos… you are very informative and very entertaining… I’ll be looking for more of your videos for sure…✌️😎🎸

@tomcranks 29 күн бұрын

I appreciate having actual narration instead of AI produced content with AI voice.

@jbaccanalia 2 жыл бұрын

Great content, really well presented. If they coexisted with primative sapiens I have to suspect some kind of conflict may have put them there. If like to know how they were dated differently but basically dumped all in the same pile.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Some of these bones were found in different sediments, and through some geologic science that's beyond me, they were understood to have formed at different times. Sometimes bones can move through sediments into sediments that would make their age seem older/younger than what they actually are. But in this case, we don't see any evidence of this occurring.

@jbaccanalia 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP so a single dump is possible. They did find a bird in there, and I know the birds at my place can disturb a lot of soil in a short amount of time. One possible explanation of the different sediment layers. How did a bird get in there anyway? Can't wait to find out more.

@drbigmdftnu 2 жыл бұрын

It was an owl

@jbaccanalia 2 жыл бұрын

@@drbigmdftnu cool, not what I suspected. Even an owl can't see in zero light. This is such a great mystery. The Dinaledy chamber must have had easy access at some point.

@Edingcreations 2 жыл бұрын

Great content ❤️ loved it💯

@Morggennstern 2 жыл бұрын

thaks for your amazing content, please keep pumping those data upon us haha

@nookymonster1 2 жыл бұрын

This is awesome. I can't wait for more info.

@garymacmillan Жыл бұрын

Well done in 15 minutes. We are told Lee & Co. are about to come out with more findings.

@Kicula1 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, great material, interesting topic and perfect presentation! Keep em coming

@Hiznogood 2 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic job done by those female researchers! So much courage to even get to the site! I get claustrophobic just be even thinking about such narrow tunnels! My deepest respect for those women!

@olivenboo 2 жыл бұрын

is it possible to determine if the access to the final spot was easier to get to then? maybe it wasn’t such an obstacle course to deliver a body to its resting place?

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Entirely possible! I haven't seen any mention of it, though.

@threatofnemesis Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you start making videos again. And with the new evidence about the Naledi using fire!

@georgegrader9038 Жыл бұрын

As a sedimentilogist i am fascinated by this great mystery in our bifurcated tree.

@georgegrader9038 Жыл бұрын

I watched a deSilva lecture first. This a nice review.

@I_only_think_of_me 2 жыл бұрын

Subbed. You are now in with Jared Diamond and Yuval Harari. Good company!!!

@DragonFae16 2 жыл бұрын

Considering that caves change over time and those two super narrow parts sound nearly impossible today to pull a body through, I suspect that the really narrow parts of the cave might have been wider back when Homo Naledi used it, but I very much faver the tomb hypothesis.

@leostgeorge2080 11 ай бұрын

Enjoyed the information. What i liked most was you didn't say this has to be how. To many people in your field seem to think only the way they see it can be how it was. Then more than not proved wrong and never willing to admit being wrong. The field has vast amounts of information but very little detail. Leaving all too many people into conjecture and just plan making it up as they go.

@TheHEAP 9 ай бұрын

Typically it’s those hard opinions that make the loudest voices, and as a result they get more press and it becomes considered the opinion of archaeology as a whole. I think most researchers are a lot more cautious in what they choose to believe is true.

@beverlybelcher3423 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating video!

@tomdarco2223 2 жыл бұрын

Right On nice video

@toonvdwielen96 2 жыл бұрын

Pastronauts! Love the term

@jerryarnold1999 2 жыл бұрын

Very well presented, Keep going!!!

@davidsmith5904 2 жыл бұрын

Extremely interesting my dear Watson.. Bravo old chap, quite.. quite interesting 🤔

@jonathanturek5846 2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for great content. I've been researching this topic for a year or so. All thanks to stumbling on the rising star documentary. It's what started my interest in this mystery. Aloha

@elijahlafayette7666 9 ай бұрын

As someone who has explored lots of caves, I have more than once found multiple dead animals deep in caves that fall in and can’t get out. They run in the dark until they die, especially at the bottom of deep pits. Could have been trapped and killed by humans also. I watched the Netflix documentary and found the “evidence for burial” very flimsy. Could they have been buried? Sure, but the way the scientists threw out the scientific method in favor of making headlines was very suspect.

@Dialthree 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating!

@annepoitrineau5650 Жыл бұрын

You forgot to say that these small boned archeologists he found by posting ads were women. There is not enough money in the world to pay me to do what they did: I have claustrophobia, so I am in awe of what they achieved.

@billboyd03 Жыл бұрын

That video is well presented.

@robh3921 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a group of fifteen trying to escape danger and got trapped. Burial site would have been bigger more bodies imho

@nookymonster1 2 жыл бұрын

There are many more. They just havn't been excavated.

@robh3921 2 жыл бұрын

@@nookymonster1 I would like to ask those cavers if it would be possible to drag a dead body all that way to the shoot. Guess they had to get there somehow

@nookymonster1 2 жыл бұрын

@@robh3921 , i suspect they were strong little critters. A chimp has far more strength than a human. The naledi would be somewhere in between for strength I would guess. Given the location it must of been some form of team work to accomplish the task.

@robh3921 2 жыл бұрын

That must be the answer and makes the whole story more interesting

@Rune_Scholar 2 жыл бұрын

And these bodies were deposited over a wide range of time.

@SirMCraftalot Жыл бұрын

I honestly thought this said Homo Nailed. I was like whaaaat?

@eduardosibils8473 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice!

@AshleyandJacob4417 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!!

@stefanlaskowski6660 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, first!

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Not just first, but my first first! This is an official KZfaq achievement.

@gordonhard2663 2 жыл бұрын

Possible the cave topography changed over time? Passages may have been wider and less steep?

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Beyond my knowledge to truly answer that question, but I have trouble imagining that sort of distortion in only a few hundred thousand years.

@messiahsgate1172 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like we found the first “cemetery”. Love your content.

@marier7336 2 жыл бұрын

More videos! 😉👍😍

@zTheBigFishz 2 жыл бұрын

I would expect pointers on this channel.

@blahblah8308 2 жыл бұрын

Really good video, thank you

@KINGFAROOQ1216 2 жыл бұрын

I liked it

@AscendingBliss 9 ай бұрын

Our modern human arrogance clouds our judgement all too often.

@feralbluee 4 ай бұрын

Why did soo many of these pre-human peoples use such hard places to get to.. have the caves caved in at all or build up like cholesterol in blood vessels? That really is intriguing..Great video - thanks. 8:15 Oh, you’re just talking about it! ⚫️

@billtreusch 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation. I subscribed!

@timschneider589 2 жыл бұрын

If you want to hear the story of Homo Nadeli in a much less sensationalistic presentation, here is the link to one of the researchers involved in the exploration and discovery. This lecture is amazing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7J6iauYqMDRqn0.html.

@bigbear7567 2 жыл бұрын

Qutstanding documentary!!!!!!!!!!!

@outlaw4a Жыл бұрын

If this is the only place where Naledi was found, wouldn't it be considered they died in the treacherous caves, and weren't brought there for burial?

@darrinwebber4077 Жыл бұрын

Well... Since your video...Much more has been discovered and hypothesized about Naledi. Apparently, it appears that they dug shallow grave plots as well as placing dead in ceremonial positions. Apparently, Naledi had some kind of rudimentary ability to communicate with markings on the chamber walls and entrances. And , the project is s learning more very quickly using a variety of cross analysis. Oh, and while Naledi may have had a small brain,... Apparently, it was organized in a manner very similar to our Sapien brains. I could go on with my own beliefs/theories.... But I'll stop here and say. Great job by whole Naledi project scientists and interns and everyone.

@noeditbookreviews Жыл бұрын

"The first underground astronauts." Did you get that from The World Before Us?

@omegatired 2 жыл бұрын

Another video pointed out that the brain to body mass in the Homo Naledi may indicate that even though the brain is small, they may have been more intelligent than some are willing to give them credit for. Nice presentation.

@davidk7544 2 жыл бұрын

Using future tense for Naledi is very confusing.

@Facetiously.Esoteric 2 жыл бұрын

Ahh I thought you were going a different route. I assumed they were trying to escape someone or something and got trapped.

@rebeccamarie4065 2 жыл бұрын

This was a very insightful video and kept my attention. I hope you will make more.

@walteralter9061 2 жыл бұрын

8:47 "You can start a fire without worrying about suffocating. There's utility in that: " LOL!

@I_report_scammers_spammers 2 жыл бұрын

"We'd also expect to see bite or gnaw marks on bone" - I totally heard that as bites or NOM marks...and now I wonder if that's where that came from...

@ericclaude9554 2 жыл бұрын

They lived in the caves underground which is why they maintained the prehistoric trials and are just recently being found

@ckotty 2 жыл бұрын

High Honour to those committed to truth (including the valiant underground astronauts). You got me going here, this is relatively old news but it adds complexity to our understanding of our origin. We need an Einstein of archaeological sciences that's capable of stitching up " all " our knowledge and proposing a theory that includes all fields related to our past, and matches up a point where we became who we are. You know what? Institutionalized academics (those that need the money they're getting paid) won't venture to claim their true findings if they rub against the grain. So I don't see that Einstein coming soon. Remaining unrelated to other sciences that deal with the past, from other points of view, is like a sail ship without wind. Goes nowhere fast. Great video, sorry for the rant, just finished a night shift... 👍🏽😘

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

Never apologize for a good rant! I'm happy that things are progressing a little faster than they were in the last few decades. Some people are calling these past few years a golden age in paleoanthropology. Certainly we're getting more answers, but so many more questions. It's an exciting things to keep an eye on.

@ckotty 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHEAP right so. Good work. 👍🏽😘

@MrBollefro 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they was hiding in the cave from more modern people who wanted to eat them.

@TheHEAP 2 жыл бұрын

This exact thought crossed my mind, and I don't think there's anything that strictly disproves it. But a group of people moving through a tight cave one at a time seems like it's too slow of a getaway to actually be much use.

@ozimerman111 11 ай бұрын

How did they manage to get into the passages without a light? The illumination must be carefully addressed. Fire 300,000 years ago? Well, perhaps, natural fire, but they required technology to make a torch. One that would last long, hours. One of these days an blocked entrance may be found?

@mikeharrington5593 Жыл бұрын

This suggests a major catastrophe(s) like eruptions or tsunamis caused the HN to flee into the furthest depths of the cave to escape. Or they were fleeing large predators. Once in that chamber they maybe didnt have the intellect nor the light to climb their way out thus were trapped there to meet their fate. They also may have, over generations, been living in the outer parts of the cave, but recurring aforementioned catastrophes may have forced some to attempt their only other option of seeking escape deeper into the inaccessible parts of the cave. Any evidence of the outer cave and/or the chamber being repeatedly flooded or of volcanic activity in a corresponding timeline?