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SpaceX’s Starship is projected to be ready for a trip to Mars in the next 5 years. But are we? Colonizing space in the next few decades may seem like a forgone conclusion, but let's take a more honest look at the science.
An honest look at the science is exactly what Kelly and Zach Weinersmith, the authors of A City on Mars, are offering. These space optimists turned into space realists while researching the possibility of human habitats in outer space.
The environments we would encounter on other planets aren’t just harsher versions of what we have on earth. In some ways they’re actively hostile to any living being, more hostile than practically any environment on earth. From dramatic temperature swings to deadly cosmic radiation to bone degradation, here are the real - and often overlooked - factors we need to contend with if we’re going to be able to successfully incubate human life on another planet.
00:00: Welcome to Hard Reset
02:29: Surviving the harsh conditions of space
05:16: The challenges of long-term space settlement
07:25: The failed social experiment Biosphere 2
09:59: The tech required for colonizing space
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@CorporatePhagia 2 ай бұрын
I didn't know SMBC guy looked like Veritasium Guy and Adam Savage had a baby
@zachweinersmith4577 2 ай бұрын
huh
@ViganSokoli93 Ай бұрын
This comment is GOLD 😆😆
@chriswilfrid 3 күн бұрын
F.. I can't unsee now
@MarkArandjus 2 ай бұрын
Some lore about these two: their last names before they got married were Smith and Weiner, so they just combined the two into Weinersmith :D
@ericprimeau363 Ай бұрын
i dare not say it.... must resist.... someone put the weiner in weinersmith............... aaaargh
@ericprimeau363 Ай бұрын
seriously : great video; amazing to see that the drawings in SMBC look a lot like the real life people (plus a haircut is never a bad idea 🙂) good stuff guys!
@pizzarune5 2 ай бұрын
I didn't know SMBC man wore clothes.
@zachweinersmith4577 2 ай бұрын
Added in post
@brucepeters4274 Ай бұрын
What is SMBC?
@steviebudden3397 Ай бұрын
@@brucepeters4274 : SMBC = Saturday Morning Breakfast Cerial = a web comic created by Zac Weinersmith (he on the right).
@Morlock19 2 ай бұрын
my god its so strange seeing them now after watching SMBC theater so long ago!!
@chungbertflabbergast5995 2 ай бұрын
No kidding!
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Ah the good old days....
@GraniteGeek 2 ай бұрын
He looks taller in cartoonish
@Deto128 2 ай бұрын
@@whatgamesweplay Cold, man! You're literally replying to her...
@Morlock19 2 ай бұрын
@@kellyweinersmith4743 i still go back and watch your stuff every so often. the date fight always cracks me up!
@intothevoid2046 2 ай бұрын
What everyone forgets: A colony is only a colony if it is self sustaining and independent (otherwise it's just an outpost), which means the population there will have to procreate. But only the first generation will be there out of free will. Children born there will be slaves of Mars or whatever they were born on. Growing up under a dome in low gravity, perhaps never able to visit earth, no free choice of profession - because everyone in the colony is needed for it's maintenance, no traveling, no free choice of partners, probably even genetically modified, also against their will. Who wants to do that to their children? And if someone does, do you think these children will feel as part of humanity? More likely they will at some point take matters in their own hands, separate from earth and see themselves as a different species, with no love for those who condemned them to this life.....
@foobar-xh5gs 2 ай бұрын
After reading your comments I think perhaps colonize mars by robots with artificial inteligence would be a better choice But what if robots see themselves as a different species and seperate from the earth and human being?
@jadebayliss9388 2 ай бұрын
Yes, socially, psychologically impossible. You’re not getting ME off this beautiful planet! I’ll die with and for it if I have to. 😅
@rogerborg 2 ай бұрын
"Who wants to do that to their children?" Colonists. Your inability to grasp that people do not all think like you will not make everyone think like you.
@sciptick 2 ай бұрын
It is as basic as, is there a dentist? Who will take care of your cataracts?
@duckshallrule6937 2 ай бұрын
You could look at it as "slaves to mars" or you could look at it as "a higher calling and a true purpose". We have so many suicidal guys in modern society because nothing they do matters. On a mars settlement? EVERYTHING they would do would matter. It would be a hard life, but a fulfilling one.
@Andyvan92110 2 ай бұрын
That was a very enjoyable watch. I really liked seeing the real people behind SMBC.
@endplanets 2 ай бұрын
Bioshphere was a success. It successfully showed how bad humanity would get messed up.
@TheLYagAmi Ай бұрын
We always mess up initially. But always persist. Biosphere is a good learning experience imo. It’s just as valuable to learn how not to do something and biosphere is a classic example.
@endplanets Ай бұрын
@TheLYagAmi Exactly. Biosphere was a huge success by my estimate. Gotta learn to crawl before you can walk. One example was 'trees don't have wind so they don't grow specific roots to prevent from tipping over' Yay. We now know we need to push baby trees around every once in a while. Glad we know that now instead of on Mars.
@tomcraver9659 Ай бұрын
I get what they're saying - but they are lacking in problem-solving mindset. Their technical arguments are like saying "you can't live in Earth orbit - it's too deadly". Except when posed as a challenge rather than as insurmountable problems, engineers quickly found answers to pretty much all the technical problems (some of which weren't implemented due to cost, e.g. a big rotating station to simulate gravity) and got humans to orbit in just a few years, and on to the moon in less than a decade more. You don't get hard things done by waiting until they're easy - the problems get easy only by working hard to solve them. You go for the goal and solve the problems as you go. Consider their "there's no way to make it pay for itself" argument. Of course there is - Mars has an enormous future value for humanity, and therefore has immediate speculative value for long term investors (and space fans), providing we're willing to establish a legal framework that enables tapping that value. Easy? No. Possible if someone works hard at it? Yes.
@jeffspaulding9834 Ай бұрын
They're specifically talking about space colonization, not just hanging out in orbit or visiting another world. We'll likely have a moon base sometime in the next thirty years, but it won't be self-sustaining. What they're pointing out is that there is an awful lot of groundwork that needs to be done first before we can live in space without needing constant resupply from Earth - enough that it's not going to be possible any time soon. If we want to see it happen, we need to get busy.
@jdlessl Ай бұрын
"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." It might indeed turn out that Mars or any sort of off-Earth colonization simply cannot be done. That's no reason not to give it a shot anyway. It's not like the attempt detracts at all from what's goings on down here on Earth. The US spends more on McDonalds than on NASA.
@tomcraver9659 Ай бұрын
@@jeffspaulding9834 It appears we agree - waiting until it becomes "easy" is the wrong approach, we need to do the hard work that will get us there. Because that is where they end up - we just wait 100 years and new technologies will make it much easier. That might happen - IF we ever developed those new technologies. Note that they could probably have written "A City on the Moon" and likely would have come to similar conclusions. And the moon is quicker/easier to get to, but that makes it far less likely to focus onlong term self-sufficiency technologies. By default, it'll likely remain more like the bases in Antarctica. And for that matter it might simply be abandoned when we realize "we've done all the important research and it's SO expensive to maintain and supply" and "huh - we can mine water for rocket propellant, but the only place we have to go in space is the moon...so if we stop going to the moon...we don't need that propellant!". The main counter to the latter arguments might be a military argument - not the best basis for establishing human presence in space.
@dannypope1860 Ай бұрын
If 90% of people thought like this, we wouldn’t ever make any progress towards Mars at all. Optimism is necessary for discovery.
@JesbaamSanchez Ай бұрын
Yet no matter how optimistic we can get there are logical issues that we must realize
@Terra_Lopez Ай бұрын
@@JesbaamSanchez Right, it's also not helpful to be naive about it. We are not a few years or ten years away from colonizing Mars, as a certain famous entrepreneur used to say.
@simonpeteradkins 28 күн бұрын
That does not follow. There is a logical progression to build our knowledge and capabilities. Without solving fundamental questions, you're simply doomed to fail.
@mrapollo_17 2 ай бұрын
To be fair biosphere 2 had more of an issue with management/preparation that caused knock on effects
@ptb1ptb2 2 ай бұрын
Biosphere 2 had not enough science in the mix, and too much concrete.
@sciptick 2 ай бұрын
@@ptb1ptb2 It had too much science, and not enough engineering. Scientists are not trained as people who make things work. Before you were going to get any science out of it, it had to work first. Imagine if astronomers had been in charge of the Apollo vehicle development, instead of aerospace engineers.
@GraniteGeek 2 ай бұрын
And you don't think issues with management/preparation are important factors to learn about when sending people to live in space? That's half the point of the experiment, not the technical stuff (which Musk fanboys love) but the human stuff (which is much, much harder)
@mrapollo_17 2 ай бұрын
@@GraniteGeek please try again because I'm nowhere near understanding what your trying to argue. All I was saying is that management/preparation were the main issues not what happened in the dome. The experiment was considered useful and the building is still used today. It's the public that decided it was a failure. An experiment is rarely a eureka moment. Failure is expected, the goal is to gather data so we can be better in the future. My only gripe with this video was that they seemed to be sensationalizing the reported "failure". They used the experiment as an example of how we barely understand living in space/another world yet they mostly ignored all of the advancements that have been made in the past 50 years. The video itself was very one-sided
@mrapollo_17 2 ай бұрын
@@sciptick the issue really seemed more that they tried their hand at too many things at once. But to be fair they did gather a lot of useful data at the end
@Rodoeht 2 ай бұрын
There’s no planet B 🤔 huh
@Philoxime 2 ай бұрын
A great video about a great book!
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video and the book! :)
@rustlebruxz0013 2 ай бұрын
Learning how to live together, "On Earth", without destroying the earth and each other will take much too long (if ever). We'll all die on what's left of earth before we learn how to live in space. :-(
@deepmalyadas6585 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, mars colonisation by humans doesn't seem likely for a good while but I do hope to see some sort of restoration and maybe like introduction of BGA or archaebacteria ecosystem or some other very fundamental autotroph in the hierarchy of ecosystem, basically trace the evolution of life here on earth, that is certainly bound to kickstart the purification of land and air and eventually even dampen the hostilities of the environment. I love the book and I agree with it but it did come off as a lil bit defeatist (even though it wasn't meant that way I'm sure). Chaos and adversity breeds innovation; i don't think the unforgiving situation is something that should deter us, we always knew Mars was always hostile, we're just learning the magnitude. It is just one of the those efforts compounding over generation so our progeny can benefit, even though we may not for the most part.
@user-wk4ee4bf8g Ай бұрын
Yeah, all I'm seeing are engineering challenges we can't yet meet. Just give us time. I see the first step as intelligent machine gardeners tending terraforming algae. Makes way more sense to go underground than live on the surface anyways. The only way we will learn how to terraform planets is to get started on it. In the process we will learn more about managing this one. We need to move industries off planet. Humans can stay here, but we need to begin the space expansion for sure. Our power is growing too large for this planet.
@deepmalyadas6585 28 күн бұрын
@@user-wk4ee4bf8g yeah, exactly. we should be friends, we'll fix Mars together.
@user-wk4ee4bf8g 27 күн бұрын
@@deepmalyadas6585 Pretty sure we are friends who simply don't know each other :)
@Don4Lyn Ай бұрын
I love that, while the VO talks about how hospitable the earth is for humans, the clouds on screen spell out "FU".
@lightsone2159 Ай бұрын
I bought and read Mary Roach's book, "Packing For Mars" several years ago. That alone convinced me I didn't have any business wanting to go off planet (minus my age), much less wanting to live on another planet. It's time to realize that Earth is our species' home and that it's way past time to clean it up and save it and ourselves.
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
yes by moving industry off planet etc - the two are in no way exclusive but mutually beneficial in development - this is just plainly obvious
@drac124 Ай бұрын
I just want healthcare. 🤣😂
@SetZek 3 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@SetZek 3 күн бұрын
Facts
@SetZek 3 күн бұрын
Let the rich folks leave so we can rebuild the earth. During the pandemic, the air and ecosystem has never been fresher.
@brucepeters4274 Ай бұрын
I have your book in my TBR pile…I might have to move it up the queue!
@na195097 Ай бұрын
I remember hearing someone say that before we can colonize space, we need to figure out how to cure cancer. The thinking being that without an atmosphere cancer is inevitable, so step one in not killing colonists was to advance our current medical tech dramatically.
@bloodlustrous Ай бұрын
This is very hopefully and sweetly made. Thank you
@Bluedrake42 5 күн бұрын
AI will colonize Mars before humans do.
@brunosco Ай бұрын
Great perspective and insight! Found it depressive at first, but finally beautiful and rejoicing as an approach.
@tomholroyd7519 2 ай бұрын
And by "closest thing" of course you mean that it wasn't really sealed, they had to release CO2 --- but you're right, they should have tried again, we can do it for shrimp, I have an ecosphere I bought at the smithsonian, we can learn to do it for people (and how many other organisms? A billion?)
@sciptick 2 ай бұрын
What really happened was they had to inject huge tanker loads of oxygen because curing concrete turns out to absorb a huge amount of it, which nobody knew before. So it was enough of a success that it taught that. The real thing that made it a failure was that they had scientists treating it as if it were legitimately an experiment, and not engineers and agronomists trying to _make it work,_ first. If the first session had been treated as a shakedown cruise, nobody would have treated injecting oxygen as something that compromised the whole project. That the crew relationships were so poorly managed didn't help any. So ultimately it was a management failure. But that should not have been fatal. There has to be more to the failure, somehow really about money.
@TanyaLairdCivil 2 ай бұрын
The biggest problem I have with biosphere is that it really isn't a good analog for a space colony. With biosphere, they were trying to literally recreate the whole Earth system. In other words, they wanted a perfectly balanced mini-biosphere that could be sustained with nothing more than sunlight. They didn't want CO2 scrubbers cleaning their air or filters cleaning their water; they wanted to do it like the Earth does, biologically. But there is zero reason a Mars colony has to operate in such a way. Sure, do as much with biological systems as you can. If most of your oxygen can be produced by the plants you eat; that's a very efficient system. But there's nothing that says you have to do everything biologically. I heat my home with a furnace; I don't keep tons of livestock in my home and try to heat it all by their body heat. If a Mars colony needs some CO2 scrubbers, that doesn't make the concept nonviable. We don't need to be able to build perfect self-sustaining biospheres before we can colonize Mars.
@jonc4403 Ай бұрын
@@TanyaLairdCivil Why shouldn't we, though? I mean, colonizing Mars is kind of stupid anyway, if we're going to do it, might as well do it right, and that means figuring out how to make sure it's survivable if something goes wrong with a resupply mission. There's no urgency to colonize Mars RIGHT NOW, we've got time, and even if we're wrong about having time because we're going to blow ourselves up, if a Mars colony isn't able to sustain itself that won't matter, it'll be gone too. Let's do the smart thing and keep sending cool robots to Mars for the next few hundred years, it makes more sense than sending humans to try to live there. And if we decide we just have to send humans, send them to visit, like we did with the moon. As long as humanity doesn't kill itself off, we'll get there eventually. We're just not ready yet. "I heat my home with a furnace" is a perfect example of just how flawed the idea is. A furnace isn't going to happen on Mars. There's not enough oxygen to be able to afford to burn it, there's no fossil gas because there's no fossils. At the very least, we need to advance to the point that we don't do that on earth, because burning fossil gas is screwing up the environment here, and we don't have to have 100% perfect control of the climate here, on Mars we would have to. There's a lot of research that needs to happen first, most of it on earth, some of it in low earth orbit space stations.
@samr.england613 24 күн бұрын
Don't forget that Biosphere 2 was externally powered. IOWs, they didn't have solar panels on the thing or a small nuclear plant, or produce their electricity in any independent way.
@gideonbolt8068 Ай бұрын
not to mention that plants like direct sunlight so growing behind glass is very difficult also.
@professorJorge11 Ай бұрын
The new iPhone 16 : " it contains hydrocarbons" 😂😂😂
@APR4U 2 ай бұрын
Some very good points for SANCTUARY EARTH 🫶
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
yes industry will be moved to space
@rickcilo7567 2 ай бұрын
An infamous quote from "For All Manking": Progress is never free, there is always a cost.
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
literally just class antagonisms - ad astra
@zvorenergy 9 күн бұрын
I see the future of humanity in large thickly shielded rotating habitats, not patches of dirt at the bottom of big gravity wells
@user-wp2wi1hb7y 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking about this lately, space colonization is still not foable on a large scale. There is a need for a much higher level of technology and economic system based on a very powerful individual material capabilities. When each of us could afford building palaces by automatons and growing food for hundreds and personally affording mining and refining materials on a mine level , THEN, and only then, will we see space exploration take hold.
@ateliahibiscus6039 2 ай бұрын
That technology will not be developed without this and other ambitious programs, goals and tech development work synergistically, doing only one is a recipe for stagnation as happened after Apollo.
@user-wp2wi1hb7y 2 ай бұрын
@@ateliahibiscus6039 I was not talking about rockets and rovers. I am referring to the entire technological and economical field that really needs to be more advanced. You know, like it was very possible that vikings and other ancient Europeans navigated to the Americas before Columbus, but only during Columbus's time did the technological and economic level of the society permitted large scale colonization.
@dougsinthailand7176 Ай бұрын
Support. We are not even colonizing Antarctica. We have research stations there where we perform science. But there are no significant resources there that we need so we are not colonizing Antarctica. Extend that to Mars.
@MT-xu7dh Ай бұрын
What we should be doing now is working on 0 gravity manufacturing, building teleoperated / autonomous lunar industry, mining asteroids, making low gravity rotating space habs for tourism and science and building powersats to provide energy to the earth. We aren’t ready for mars.
@deepmalyadas6585 2 ай бұрын
I call BS, I saw Matt Damon do it a few years back.
@undertow2142 Ай бұрын
It’s way past time NASA abandoned their focus on bespoke one off multi billion dollar mission every 10 years that come in way over budget with just enough capability to complete the mission goals. We need to rethink space exploration missions into development of capabilities. Like let’s set up production lines to produce exploration space probes, rovers, quadcopters, icy moon melt probes etc. Then the per unit cost will go way down and each product line can be developed and improved over time. This approach is what spaceX is doing with starship. Imagine if instead of one Europa Clipper we had a production line and produced one every year. They could be sent all over the solar system. Once we attempt to go through the ice of a moon like Enceladus the current approach will cost 10 billion and take 20 years. If instead we developed a series of melt probes each more capable and have a production line of them we can actually explore the outer solar system. Space stations, space telescopes, and moon and mars bases all the same -we need a capabilities based approach to all of it. Otherwise, it’s like we’re building massive passenger airliners to just fly once and then throw it away. You’ll never have affordable global transportation and we’ll never any serious presence in outer space.
@fredwood1490 25 күн бұрын
There is a lot of talk about using robots to build the colonies on Mars and such, but the most advanced robot ever created is on Mars right now and what does it do? It licks rocks, drills out pieces and then poops those samples back onto the ground, to be picked up by another robot that hasn't been designed yet. It's going to take Humans in person to make colonies on Mars, just like on Earth and they are going to die there, just like on Earth, but on Mars, they may also end up being food. We need to spend about fifty years on the Moon, ironing out some of the kinks close to home, before we try Mars or even Space itself, like we are doing at the ISS. We could have started doing that, back in the 1970s but our Leaders preferred to make war and spent all our money on that, so we watch Super Hero movies and make our plans based on them, with super robots and super spaceships and supermen doing impossible things, and not Working Class people digging out underground habitats and making actual flying cars needed to get around toxic geography, keeping the sewage recycling going and all the things that make civilization happen back home.
@user-pi1kn8dg2s 5 күн бұрын
"Advanced Automation for Space Missions", NASA & ASEE, 1980. Exponentiall grows of lunar robotics self-replicating fabrics, started from one fabric. It takes 23 round of self-replication, and you cover all Moon by entire one big fabric, starting from one fabric 2 square kilometres. 26 round for Mercury, 28 for Mars. P.S. "Biosphere 2" - bad example. Soviet family of "BIOS"-system from Institute of Biophysics, Krasnoyarsk. "BIOS-3" had 100% closed gases and water system, 100% of closing by plants proteins for at least 180 days. You can see Chinese copy of BIOS-3, they called it "Югэн-1".
@foobar-xh5gs 2 ай бұрын
The craziest what if question in real life, astonishing.
@rais1953 Ай бұрын
The best environment on Mars, perhaps near a buried glacier near the bottom of Mariner Valley for water supplies and maximum atmospheric pressure, is much worse than the worst environments on Earth but it could be survivable for a research crew for a limited period. Toxins in the soil would probably require hydroponic food growing but water from the ice could provide oxygen for breathing and hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel. A roof filled with water or ice would absorb most of the radiation. Unlike the imitation Mars habitat on Earth the crew should be fully busy with exploration and research on Mars so psychological issues might be reduced.
@samr.england613 24 күн бұрын
They didn't mention that Biosphere 2 was externally powered.
@Milaaq302 2 ай бұрын
Perhaps we should try to put just the basic bits of life as we know it there first, and see if it can survive and evolve to conditions on Mars. Some hardy bacteria! Create a small bunker to give it the best possible chance before it gets out into the open.
@thelazypotato7817 Ай бұрын
more like adapt evolution could take 1,000-1,000,000 of years
@56nickrich 2 ай бұрын
A rotating space station mentioned at the end seems like a great experiment, especially if they built one like in Kubrick's 2001 a space odessy. 8 people had a hard time isolated for 2 years together here on earth because it probably felt like prison not a grand adventure. Sign me up for either!🚀🛸
@zachweinersmith4577 2 ай бұрын
We have more detail on this in the book, but I think the main reason they had a hard time is that there wasn't a very meticulous selection and training regime. 8 Chris Hadfields would've done fine.
@pizzarune5 2 ай бұрын
@@zachweinersmith4577 Huh, so you're saying that best way to colonize the stars would be to clone Chris Hadfield several thousand times and shoot all of him into the abyss of space? I mean, seems dubious, but you're the expert.
@mcarp555 2 ай бұрын
Great video, and I'm glad to see some common-sense discussion of how difficult this is, and how the universe is anything _but_ "fine-tuned" for life. Also the two of you are much better- looking than Zach draws you. Phew.
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Ha! Thanks. I think he also often draws me as quite grumpy, which I don't think fits with my personality in real life. But maybe Zach disagrees. :)
@certifiablyrand 2 ай бұрын
@@kellyweinersmith4743 And your kids! Always glaring at dad.
@TheSkystrider Ай бұрын
Breaking news. We had no idea until now.
@UmberGorg 2 ай бұрын
I love Zach and Kelly Weinersmith! Very talented, funny, and intelligent people and I'm so glad you guys had them on your channel.
@zachweinersmith4577 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! :)
@sdspivey Ай бұрын
Note to self: Don't invite Weinersmiths to my baby lab.
@michaelrexrode3759 Ай бұрын
We don't even have the wherewithal to make a serious effort to colonize Antarctica or the ocean floors and they are vastly more hospitable than off planet.
@Shrouded_reaper 3 күн бұрын
One. Antarctica has a big really important treaty that is enforced, no one can claim land, mine minerals or do anything there. You really don't think if it was a free for all at least a handful of people would have made a go of it? Also Antarctica has a power issue where solar is essentially not an option, unlike mars. Two. The ocean floor is hugely more difficult than off world. Engineering for the massive pressures is really, really hard and expensive. And again, the power issue.
@jackmorrison8269 15 күн бұрын
Colonize? Not yet. Explore and put boots down? Yup
@another_jt Ай бұрын
Now when I re-read the book, I can get the voices right in my head.
@jeffspaulding9834 Ай бұрын
Do a search for "SMBC Theater" and you'll find a lot more sources for them. Search for "Date Wars - SMBC Theater" and you'll see how they got together.
@llothsedai3989 Ай бұрын
Robot gardeners + slow adaption plus a little gene editing + shotgun approach (just take every seedling species and just plop it on mars) and see what happens. There is a chance. Self terra forming ecosystem.
@Morboxx Ай бұрын
Ooooh, the pee-drinking? That's the GOOD part! We've got THAT down! Just need some filtration! Plants can do that, for the most part! The problems lie with everything else! Like keeping that moisture within the colony! Losing it through the soil or airlock would be....wasteful.
@DangerDurians Ай бұрын
Smbc guy is much much more kempt than I ever expected
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
funny how I was thinking the opposite while sitting at my computer in my bathrobe at 4 in the morning - even I'm not above crest white strips for all the coffee I drink and weed I smoke
@user-wk4ee4bf8g Ай бұрын
We're very close to being able to send intelligent machines to Mars. That still doesn't mean it's gonna be a good place for people, it's just not. But those machines are an expression of human society, them going there IS us going there. The upper atmosphere of Venus looks better, some nice floating cities.
@PrincessCarrieGraham 2 ай бұрын
Well, if we're going to be experimenting on babies at scale, Elon seems to making babies at scale....
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
it feels like everything here is just a reaction to elon musk but no one is saying it because they don't know anything else anyway lol he rlly has been one of the best and worst things for the space industry - more so peoples reactions to his attention seeking behavior - its a negative feedback loop for 130 IQ midwits
@travishylton6976 Ай бұрын
Then send him first
@conradrogers317 Ай бұрын
@@travishylton6976 Pretty sure that's his plan. I have no issues with MarsMusk, though I feel bad for his kids, whichever planet they're trapped on.
@1IvyHarp Ай бұрын
Kelly is the first author. Why did the video (twice) introduce them as "Zach and Kelly" rather than "Kelly and Zach"? And besides the front-on camera, the other camera showed him in the foreground and her in the background. Not good, Freethink.
@yvanlaprise3373 Ай бұрын
Only 2 billion years minimum for teraforming .im sure elon will live that long
@jeremyevans8374 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, we should go when it's easy.
@aog9358 Ай бұрын
I am SO happy to see these two, my FAVOURITE "space-bastards", talk and get a chance to explain stuff to a broader audience! ❤ More, please!!! 😳
@ben.p Ай бұрын
Wow Zach is looking great, nice haircut
@SweetPeteandtheHeat-zh4lp Ай бұрын
Pretty sure it's fine for the tech bro VC ethical system. Just so long as it's someone else's babies, of course.
@mrcuttime22 Ай бұрын
Maybe let's master gravity, fusion and radiation sheilding first, so that it all becomes cheaper and safer to send and land megatons. Meanwhile, let's get to manageable numbers here on Earth, whether by our own choosing or by natural (increasing) disasters. Maybe living to 120 isn't really necessary or desirable.
@keithnance4209 Ай бұрын
I love how these two are suddenly experts at whether or not we can colonize mars. Humans are adaptable and will make it happen. They are saying the obvious.
@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt Ай бұрын
but who said that it would happen in months. it will take years of research which is why we need a moon base, and the sooner we start the better
@davide2268 2 ай бұрын
Humanoid robots are the key.
@jimgsewell 2 ай бұрын
Why do they need to be humanoid?
@davide2268 2 ай бұрын
@@jimgsewell scaled production of the most in demand item ever all factories and humans will have a robot in the future. Robots at scale on earth would make sending robots on starship cheaper. They would use suits and equipment made for humans who arrive later.
@rogerborg 2 ай бұрын
The key to what? Unleashing berserkers?
@davide2268 2 ай бұрын
@@rogerborg To build habitats on mars.
@sardathrionsardathrion3070 2 ай бұрын
This is nothing short of AWESOME!
@johnbrownlee5419 2 ай бұрын
Lets just make better humans.
@oceanwonders 2 ай бұрын
They are clearly an awesome couple.
@relentlessmadman Ай бұрын
I always find it necessary to remind people the the word expert comes in to parts ex is a hasbeen and spert is a drip under pressure! with proper understanding less people will make claim to be one! although sceptism is good!
@SteveI-fg5qt 2 ай бұрын
Avatars, maybe.
@j.simple.and.effective Ай бұрын
These people see the problem in technology, I don't. What I see as a problem is politics on planet Earth. The construction of the 1st colonization ship would cost about 6 trillion € or $ (10% up or down). The problem is that right now even the US can't afford it. This means that a wider integration of states and their space programs is needed. A change of strategy in conquering space is also needed. You can think the other way around on the questions: 1. What do we want? Colonize the Milky Way galaxy 2..What is the 1st step to do this? To colonize Alpha Centauri. 3. What is the 1st step to do it? To learn how to colonize another planet in the Solar System. 4. How to colonize another planet in the Solar System? Colonizing another planet in the solar system has no advantages if the planet is not terraformed. 5. How to terraform a planet? Ships need to be built to produce energy and tow asteroids. 6. What is the cheapest way to produce ships? By mining and manufacturing parts in space. 7. How to mine in space? We need a mining-processing ship that can protect the human crew outside the Earth's magnetic field. To become completely self-sufficient in space (80%) we need 6 such ships (together they make one colonization ship for Alpha Centauri.) and it costs 6 trillion. Any more questions? I think he basically said everything.
@dieterjosef 2 ай бұрын
At one point you would have to make rockets and Computerchips on Mars or some Saturn moon. I don't see how this could be possible. These astronauts are in danger of loosing support from earth if we don't keep the "high cultures" on earth functioning.
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Good point! We have a whole chapter on what it would take to achieve "autarky" on Mars. It would certainly be tough!
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
do you know how many thousands of people are working under the ocean 24/7 rn? of course you don't
@dieterjosef Ай бұрын
@@williamrobinson4265 And are they producing their own welding sticks down there? Or tools? Do they produce their own oxygen there? They are totally dependent on the people above them.
@williamrobinson4265 Ай бұрын
@@dieterjosef yes if something disrupted those essential supply chains many countless people on land would perish as well I don't think you are making the point you think you are making - are you an expert in this field or a civilian who has too much time on their hands?
@dieterjosef Ай бұрын
@@williamrobinson4265 Who would perish if the people on Mars would die? Are they necessary? Propagandists for Mars colonization say it could be a second earth. And I am asking how they will produce the complicated things that are necessary for this. If that isn't possible than they will depend on support from earth. No one says that people under the ocean will make a second livable space, it is a necessity. So I don't know what your point is besides showing that you did not understand what it was about.
@ianbarlow9387 2 ай бұрын
Having babies in space isn’t the same as having babies on mars!
@Jesse-ey5xd 29 күн бұрын
The answer is always robots
@TheRealDagothUr 10 күн бұрын
I will smoke that space weed in my lifetime by any means necessary
@futureproof.health Ай бұрын
Ant ArktiKa would be way easier.
@chungbertflabbergast5995 2 ай бұрын
If you like this video, buy or borrow their book. I read it a few months ago and it really is an excellent read and it's filled with good information. It's clear the Weinersmiths did a ton of research and are very passionate about this topic.
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!! I thrilled you enjoyed the book.
@holleey 2 ай бұрын
getting to mars is not "not enough", it is detrimental to staying alive...
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
In the book we do talk about potential risks to Earth if we settle in space. :)
@regimeoftruth 2 ай бұрын
Nobody wants to live to Mars because it will be easy
@W4l0p 2 ай бұрын
Female experts getting often short changed and belittled on media, I really liked Kelly being titled the co-author of City on Mars and Zach just "Kelly's husband" :D
@stevencraeynest7729 2 ай бұрын
there is no audio
@KanonKongenKarl 2 ай бұрын
"Weinersmith"... Deep breaths.... you're an adult....
@robertmcspadden1791 Ай бұрын
If JFK had said, "Mars" instead of "Moon", we would probably already be on Mars. Why? Because... there was a generation of brave and brazen test pilots along with battalions of sliderule-packing Boomers, all of which had a uniquely aggressive and fearless work ethic. They pressed ahead with a "no-matter-what" attitude... solving shitwaves of seemingly-impossible problems while mostly using their own heads as the computing power.
@endplanets Ай бұрын
Going to the moon was brutally expensive and complex thing done at the time. Mars is 150M miles away. The moon is just .225 away. And Mars has a more complex orbit. And really: what would be the dramatic PR moment of landing on Mars? Its A) we sent a robot there. Or B) we sent humans there. To die. Horribly. AND if we went to Mars and not the moon then the Soviets would have landed there while we studying Mars.
@maplebob23 2 ай бұрын
Finally some people saying the obvious. The other planets are not for living on or else there would be life there.
@mrapollo_17 2 ай бұрын
I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't try tho. They are just saying it will take time and a lot of science. Humans aren't meant to live underground or on mountains or in submarines but we found a way to do it
@sciptick 2 ай бұрын
@@mrapollo_17 Hint: literally nobody lives full-time under water or underground, or on Antarctica.
@maplebob23 2 ай бұрын
@@mrapollo_17 I don’t know what reality is. I only know it isn’t like anything I have been taught.
@_shadow_1 Ай бұрын
Humans weren't meant to go 70mph+, fly over 30000 feet in the air, or consume life saving and disease reversing medications, but I am thankful that we can now do all of those things. If assuming it isn't physically impossible to do something, we can eventually figure out how to make it work with the right setup.
@_shadow_1 Ай бұрын
@@sciptick We use things from all of those locations and have developed technologies which allow for humans to more in all of those locations. There is no reason to actually live in those places. Space is useful for all sorts of things and technologies developed to maintain life in space will be useful back here on earth.
@kestrelwings 2 ай бұрын
I'm an advocate of creating a mixed colony / tourist destination on the moon. Initially, the tourist industry won't be profitable, but the government will be spending money on something that it will eventually be able to stop spending money on. Regolith can provide radiation shielding. I don't imagine people running around in spacesuits. I don't know how the Artemis program is designed, but if it is a bad design for tourists, then the program needs to be modified or shut down and replaced with a tourist friendly program. People keep talking about exploration, but that has nothing to do with manned spaceflight these days because robots are better at exploring.
@THEBEEEANSS 2 ай бұрын
I'm an advocate for the ban of human space travel.
@rodneymoss227 2 ай бұрын
Maybe due to the pic for the video on SMBC, i expected Zach to sound like Luke McGregor, and then Kelly to sound like Celia Pacquola. Rosehaven in Space!
@MusikCassette 2 ай бұрын
on the path to space colonization Mars is a side quest at best and a distraction at worst.
@THEBEEEANSS 2 ай бұрын
Space colonization is a silly fantasy dreamt up by nationalists and out of touch techbros. We should honestly cancel all human spaceflight programs.
@whothewho82 2 ай бұрын
LOL I think every sci-fi book ive EVER read has said how much of a nightmare space exploration is and how inhospitable the rest of the universe is. I like that there are people really actually thinking critically about what needs to happen for us to go there
@cmellertson69 Ай бұрын
ah, yes, don't do something because it might be hard. Pass on these two.
@hardwoodthought1213 Ай бұрын
Really not what they are saying though is it.
@pewterhacker 2 ай бұрын
It would help if there was someone else on the show to point out all the things that they say that are incorrect.
@dougperrins8716 2 ай бұрын
Well which things did they say were incorrect?
@irgendwieanders2121 2 ай бұрын
Does Mr. Weinersmith flatten or debase himself with his self portraits? Still not sure - do another video... . .. ... (And if you do it, get Dr. Weinersmith to look cross, like in the voteys. I want to compare that, too!)
@user-ex6xc5ox3k 2 ай бұрын
Why is the audio desynced so badly?
@futureproof.health Ай бұрын
Dang. all those trillions we gave to the mRnaBros. might have been spent on real useful stuff. what happened?
@rogerborg 2 ай бұрын
Naysayers say nay. But yaysayers won't care.
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
yaysayers will still be bound by international law....
@ShankarSivarajan Ай бұрын
@@kellyweinersmith4743 Yeah, _that_ is the real impediment to progress.
@user-nu7vq6ei5q Ай бұрын
249th to comment.
@Netherlands031 Ай бұрын
could the information density be any lower? First two minutes was just people yapping on about how unhospitable/dangerous/strange space is, without any examples. Downvoted.
@jeremyevans8374 2 ай бұрын
I really want us to colonize other worlds but I have to admit that we are nowhere near that at this point. The radiation problem alone is a dealbreaker for the time being. I believe we will eventually solve those problems given enough time and resources. But I don't want to see Elon ship people off to Mars and have them all die. That would sour humanity to the whole project for decades if not centuries to come. And we need to do more than just have a sustainable closed-loop biosphere. There is no point in going to mars just to be stuck inside the whole time with no windows.
@ateliahibiscus6039 2 ай бұрын
The technology for space colonisation will not be developed without SpaceX’s Mars colonization and other ambitious programs, goals and tech development work synergistically, doing only one is a recipe for stagnation as happened after Apollo.
@nedflanders4158 2 ай бұрын
Lol space x will never go to Mars.
@snwconeyt 2 ай бұрын
this narrators is like nails on a chalkboard, guy loves the sound of his own voice lmao
@NickFromHardReset 2 ай бұрын
Actually, I am only mildly fond of the sound of my own voice. But I LOVE the sound of nails on chalkboards!
@bare.minimum. 2 ай бұрын
Life on earth is not a chance, it was designed for life. It was chosen
@don_lock 2 ай бұрын
There were naysayers like you before we went to the moon, even only for a very short stay, but we went anyway. And along the way we thought and produced wonders of the world, and gained knowledge that will allow us to try to actually set up a base on the moon. Yeah, it might fail the first time but we'll learn so much we can eventually succeed. I dare say there were those who said to Columbus (etc) "Why travel there, you don't know if you can make it, and what you are taking there will be much more valuable than anything you can find there". Exploration and expansion is the story of humans.
@PlainclothesBandit 2 ай бұрын
First off, Columbus was a bastard. And second, we never colonized the moon. We landed on it, then left. That alone was a monumental achievement, but it does not compare to establishing a permanent colony.
@jhorton4791 2 ай бұрын
They're not naysayers - that's pretty much the first point they make in the video. They were fans of the idea until they started researching what it would actually take to do it. What they found out is that to do this is almost unimaginably more difficult than the voyages of 15th- and 16th-Century explorers.
@don_lock 2 ай бұрын
@@PlainclothesBandit Whether C was a bastard has nothing to do with it. I never said we colonized the moon. Read and think.
@don_lock 2 ай бұрын
@@jhorton4791 Doesn't matter whether they SAY they are naysayers, they just are. Maybe they turned into naysayers after their 'research'. Doesn't matter. They still ARE naysayers.
@PlainclothesBandit 2 ай бұрын
@@don_lock What I think about is the human cost of space colonization beyond merely whether it's possible or if that alone is enough to justify itself. Like, for example, experimenting on children at scale.
@motess5304 2 ай бұрын
So basically they said climate change is way overblown BS🤣
@kellyweinersmith4743 2 ай бұрын
Definitely don't think we said that.
@motess5304 2 ай бұрын
@@kellyweinersmith4743 pretty much indirectly. you couldn't even nuke the earth 2 times over and have it be as bad as trying to colonize outer space. More than certain we are fine.🤣
@fingersfomgerd2413 2 ай бұрын
I don't think that's a fair interpretation of their statement. There's a lot of room between the point where the earth becomes unlivable for humans and the point where the earth becomes as hostile to life as the moon or Mars. A nuke is more dangerous than a grenade, but the dangers of blowing yourself up with a grenade are not overblown