The Math of Climate Change

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Gresham College

Gresham College

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Climate change is controversial and the subject of huge debate. Complex climate models based on math helps us understand. How do these models work?
A lecture by Chris Budd OBE, Gresham Professor of Geometry 13 November 2018
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Climate change is important, controversial, and the subject of huge debate. Much of our understanding of the future climate comes from the use of complex climate models based on mathematical and physical ideas.
In this talk, Professor Budd will describe how these models work and the assumptions that go into them. He will discuss how reliable our predictions of climate change are, and show how mathematicians can give us insights into both past and future.
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@kimlibera663
@kimlibera663 4 жыл бұрын
As both a mathematician & earth scientist I would not be quick to apply standard concepts of math series or sequences as a prediction tool of temperature. I.e. one can't just choose a time range observe a temp increase & then isolate some causation & assume that doubling or tripling will happen. The earth's behavior arises from many feedback loops not from some geometric sequence of numbers.
@metalwheelz
@metalwheelz 5 жыл бұрын
The bell curve graph he used to show a 1.5 degree shift (15:49) isn’t tied to any data. It is simply an example. The true difference between the two peeks would be much closer together and therefore show a much less dramatic increase in possible extreme hot weather. It does however show the phenomenon he is trying to explain more clearly. It is just over exemplified and therefore appears more alarming. Anybody else catch that?
@apumasterp
@apumasterp 5 жыл бұрын
Also if the IPCC would change their models to match the actual observed data instead of changing the data to match their models, maybe they wouldn’t be 98% wrong!
@nrqed
@nrqed 4 жыл бұрын
I am very skeptical about the graph of 6:48. The medieval warm period being less hot than 2000? This is the usual Mann con job. Also, the graph of 9:12 seems to be the graph "re adjusted" By NOAA to decrease the temperatures before 1980 and increase them after 1980.
@sahaiel
@sahaiel 4 жыл бұрын
thats right
@gregggoodnight9889
@gregggoodnight9889 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% with your comments. This presentation repeats many IPCC misrepresentations and a bias towards the AGW hypothesis. The UK MET office has a long history of politization. The extreme climatic events argument is highly debatable with many periods of of frequent and severe events correlated with periods of low atmospheric CO2. This presentation has so many debatable assertions that it comes across as primarily as propaganda dressed up in scientific garb.
@YCCCm7
@YCCCm7 4 жыл бұрын
The Medieval warm period was not warm in all areas of the earth. Some were actually quite cool, by comparison. It's just one more reason why some geographic regions did quite well during the time, while some were having a pretty crap time. One has to be careful with lumping the entire planet in with what are not always global effects. There's a paper covering a bit of the regional differences in temperatures here: advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500806
@MulletMan3108
@MulletMan3108 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregggoodnight9889 One of the main points of contention is the late Ordovician period which originally demonstrated an ice age even though the CO2 was one of the highest ever on record. However, that theory has largely been debunked as it was demonstrated that the GEOCARB data sets within the model were in 10 million year intervals however the period only lasted approx 0.5 million years.There's quite alot of literature on that period as well: 1. A major drop in seawater 87Sr/86Sr during the Middle Ordovician (Darriwilian): Links to volcanism and climate? (Young et al, 2009) 2. Did changes in atmospheric CO2coincide with latest Ordovicianglacial-interglacial cycles? (Young et al, 2009) 3. The impact of paleogeography, pCO2, poleward ocean heat transport and sea level change on global cooling during the Late Ordovician (Hermann et al, 2004) Definitely agree though that CO2 is not the only driver of climate change, but it certainly plays a role.
@Kintabl
@Kintabl 4 жыл бұрын
27:23 Yeah, its very clear that you only use 40 years of data. Why at 1979? Data for arctic sea ice extent go way back than just 1979. Oh, yeah, because it wouldn't show declining trend, but a cycle of up and down.
@user-vo8ss2bm3p
@user-vo8ss2bm3p 5 жыл бұрын
18:10 map is quite misleading. It says it shows areas vulnerable to 170m sea level rise, but predictions tell that if all ice will melt, sea level will rise only 80m.
@cupotkaable
@cupotkaable 3 жыл бұрын
The idea about extreme events is incorrect. If you look not on the average but minimum (winter) vs maximum (summer) temperature trends in the same area and the difference between tropical vs arctic weather - you'll see that both deltas are *decreasing*. Meaning its getting warmer in winter rafher than summer and warmer in the cold places rather hot places. Look at NASA data - the warming is concentrated near Arctic. Extreme weather is about these deltas. For e.g. in Chicago the weather is more extreme than Florida. So even if global warming is real - its going to be more comfortable and tropical (rainforest) climate with rare extreme events.
@danacross3427
@danacross3427 5 жыл бұрын
I live in Canada. Over the last 3 years we have had the shortest growing seasons in memory. Due to cold. Model that.
@Englishdosser86
@Englishdosser86 5 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you didn't watch the video... Although not dealing with Canada's 'growing season' directly, the underlying point from 25:18 (discussing sea ice) might help. Short answer: climate change is global and long-term. Canada isn't the globe. 3 years isn't long term.
@CanadianPrepper
@CanadianPrepper 5 жыл бұрын
That's 100% bullshit
@spikec175
@spikec175 5 жыл бұрын
@@Englishdosser86 The first organisms on Earth: were they Autotrophs or Heterotrophs?
@nomorewar4189
@nomorewar4189 5 жыл бұрын
Englishdosser86 - excuses and logical Fallacies - wow climate change now - 70’s it was global cooling - then global warming - now climate change - and trying to link .5% (CO2) of all global warming gas is totally ridiculous - hey science - getting rid of CO2 is going to fix the oxygen issue now isn’t it - lol - damn people are gullible and can’t even think for themselves been drinking to much fluoride and injecting to much mercury - lol
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
@@Englishdosser86 RE: "climate change is global and long-term." So this means that everyplace on Earth must have a new (it's global) climate, so then no human that ever lived on Earth has ever witnessed the "climate change" have they? The North American Indians may have seen ten thousand foot walls of glacial ice creep up on them only to retreat a short 25,000 years later but that's just short term local "weather" cause it didn't affect the Antarctica at all (cold and icy then, cold and icy now) The Hot Dry Sahara desert (its far larger than the USA) formed about 3 million years ago and it hasn't changed to this very day (I was in it just a few days ago). I'm not sure the modern humans species are as old as the Sahara and its climate has been the same for 3 million years. This means that since "the globe" (not just parts of it like The USA, Canada, Europe etc) has not yet seen "climate change in at least 3 million years. Wake me in another 3 million years if "the globes" climate has begun to change, will ya?
@Xero1of1
@Xero1of1 5 жыл бұрын
I've seen most of these graphs before... by people debunking them for cherry-picking data...
@trumanhw
@trumanhw 5 жыл бұрын
@Andri Ksenofontov It IS a statement and a complete sentence. It's not a complete argument.
@FalkinerTim
@FalkinerTim 5 жыл бұрын
It is not controversial. Climate change is scientific fact. The sad thing is that unless we are in an uncontrolled positive feedback situation, we have the science to roll the carbon dioxide levels back and we can greatly improve our quality of life at the same time. The problem does not lie in our physical scientists but in the politicians who do not understand science. And worst of all they fail to understand the science of government. They have lost control and nowhere is this more characterised than in the kindergarten behaviour in the parliaments. We need more real scientists in government and less lawyers and merchant bankers. Our science should be developed in laboratories and in universities, not in restaurants and on golf courses.
@swinde
@swinde 5 жыл бұрын
Climate change IS a fact. I have seen evidence with my own eyes. You should never mix politics and wishes with science. How do you even know that the climate is "always" changing? It might surprise you to learn it was scientist that discovered the climate changes of the past through geology, dating methods, ice cores, tree rings etc. What is going on now is totally different and been linked to humans reintroduction of sequestered CO2 back into the atmosphere.
@mr555harv
@mr555harv 5 жыл бұрын
Climate is always changing. This meaningless phrase is used by politicians. Tim is totally wrong.
@emiljunvik3546
@emiljunvik3546 4 жыл бұрын
Emissivity is the fraction absorbed and the fraction emitted. Using it as only fraction emitted is NOT supported by theory.
@isobar5857
@isobar5857 5 жыл бұрын
The mathematics of extrapolation.......bad mathematics. " Climate modelling is really hard, is really uncertain, and we lack much of the data we need." And then we go on to construct a mathematical model anyway.........never heard such mathematical rubbish in all my life.
@ianrkav
@ianrkav 5 жыл бұрын
Precisely. He contradicted himself from the very beginning, and then used mathematics to prove what he said it couldn't prove!
@patrickmooney5035
@patrickmooney5035 5 жыл бұрын
Hindcasting is interpolation, sigh. Mathematics is Mathematics, did you not see the simple heat balance equation. Honestly, it's like KZfaq showed you an entirely different video, lol. Just because a lecture is open and nuanced doesn't make it wrong.
@RedwoodTheElf
@RedwoodTheElf 5 жыл бұрын
Well the climate is, by its very nature, a chaotic system. Chaotic systems can't be predicted with any accuracy. That part is definitely correct. It's even where we get the term "Butterfly Effect" from. No change in any variable related to the climate can have any predictable effect on the overall climate. It simply can't be done. Why do you think every single predictive model used by the AGW alarmists has been completely wrong? You can't even get an accurate weather forecast 2 weeks into the future, let alone decades or centuries. "Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get." - Mark Twain So stop panicking over what some lunatic politicians are spoon feeding you on their prediction of the effect of increasing atmospheric CO2 from 0.005% to 0.006%, when that prediction is about as accurate as flipping a coin or consulting a magic 8-Ball. Here is my 100% accurate prediction for the climate: It will continue to change in an unpredictable manner, just as it has done for the last 4 billion years or so, and nothing humans can do will make that climate change predictable.
@svenweihusen57
@svenweihusen57 5 жыл бұрын
Sure you can. You can't predict the exact values but statistic values. Turbulent flow is chaotic too but you can make good predictions. For example, you can't tell me the exact temperature in Houston Texas on July 1 but you can tell me the average temperature and that it certainly will not snow.
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
"never heard such mathematical rubbish in all my life." You have obviously been deprived of an education. Physics, engineering and many other fields that we prosper from are the result of mathematics predictive modeling powers.
@jeanphillippes2196
@jeanphillippes2196 5 жыл бұрын
The 1930s were warmer than 2016. Did he say proxy or poxy data?
@sdkee
@sdkee 5 жыл бұрын
If you leave out the "most important tree in the world", then the Medieval warm period is again the warmest time on the record and everything makes sense. In the sense of Nothing going on here, move along.
@scottborah5834
@scottborah5834 5 жыл бұрын
The big problem is that they assume that rising co2 level result in rising temperature, correlation is not causation. The ice core samples show an 800 year lag temperatures rise, plants grow, oceans warm releasing more co2. Temperatures drop, vegetation recedes, oceans cool, co2 follows after the temp. Co2 is therefore not the cause of warming, but the effect
@5bagsofpopcorn
@5bagsofpopcorn 5 жыл бұрын
That is from old samples where there wasnt as much co2 in the atmosphere. In the last century humans released alot of CO2 that could have never been released by burning fossil fuels. If you think that doesnt have an effect on the environment youre just ignorant.
@mateuszp2038
@mateuszp2038 5 жыл бұрын
But greenhouse effect is well understood thing.
@mjja9983
@mjja9983 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Borah - Which ice core samples ? - please reference your source.
@rjt98
@rjt98 4 жыл бұрын
He shows exactly how starting at 45:48
@susannastromberg6221
@susannastromberg6221 4 жыл бұрын
scientists has already teased out the variations when it comes to the issue if CO2 is the cause or effect of warming. and it can be both, under certain circumstances. Skeptical Science has a very good data base where they have debunked much of the climate change deniers arguments. check it out.
@jmuld1
@jmuld1 3 жыл бұрын
No evidence that mans co2 drives temp. Which is question#1.
@ivandafoe5451
@ivandafoe5451 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing how videos like this attract so many (self- proclaimed) experts on the subject. Perhaps they could help the IPCC by sending in their extensive peer-reviewed research papers, their well-reasoned theories and their long lists of relevant academic degrees. If they are somehow unable to provide such accreditations, perhaps they could help us...by keeping their opinions to themselves.
@belshade37
@belshade37 5 жыл бұрын
How can different thinkers get accreditation when the gate keepers want to maintain their status quo? You only get published if you agree with the Michael Manns of this world. How else are we going to have a genuine debate? Strange that there is no longer any open debate -- what are the consensus thinkers so afraid of?
@svenweihusen57
@svenweihusen57 5 жыл бұрын
What about going against the thesis of the video instead of going ad hominem without a word about the video? Show us YOUR expertise and where we are wrong.
@GeorgiosD90
@GeorgiosD90 3 жыл бұрын
Appeal to authority will get you nowhere.
@reubenhandel210
@reubenhandel210 5 жыл бұрын
Geoengineering the earth to make it colder huh? By taxing co2? No I am sorry but this is not science
@arp76
@arp76 5 жыл бұрын
Reuben Handel it’s pretty simple. You tax the abusers Kind of like when governments increase taxes in tobacco to deal with all of the cancers they have to take care of. (Unless you live in the US...then the government says fuck you)
@turnerfamilyinozi
@turnerfamilyinozi 5 жыл бұрын
What is the cause of our present climate change?
@tanfoglio1
@tanfoglio1 5 жыл бұрын
Robert Turner Most probably natural variations and of course human activity, but blaiming 99,9% of climate change on humans is not credible. The temperature graph in this video is also most probably manipulated. He talks about what would happen if the innland ice sheet on Greenland was to melt, what he does NOT tell you, is it would thake between 12-17000 years for that to happen.
@kenvandeburgt1232
@kenvandeburgt1232 5 жыл бұрын
Roy Spencer says: Quote The Five Big Questions 1) Is warming and associated climate change mostly human-caused? 2) Is the human-caused portion of warming and associated climate change large enough to be damaging? 3) Do the climate models we use for proposed energy policies accurately predict climate change? 4) Would the proposed policy changes substantially reduce climate change and resulting damage? 5) Would the policy changes do more good than harm to humanity? End quote This presentation answers none of the questions, gives only the alarmist point of view, and is not grounded in data.
@stevenwiederholt7000
@stevenwiederholt7000 5 жыл бұрын
You look at the 1st graph, and it looks really really scary....until you suddenly realize it shows 6/10th of a degree over the last 100 years.
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
And in the past its taken about 5000 years to rise 5 degrees C. earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
@KilgoreTroutAsf
@KilgoreTroutAsf 5 жыл бұрын
Just to put things into perspective, average temperatures in the last ice age were "only" 3 degrees cooler.
@wade5941
@wade5941 5 жыл бұрын
@@KilgoreTroutAsf I didn't think it was even that much.
@grindupBaker
@grindupBaker 5 жыл бұрын
Well it's wrong then because it's definitely +1.06 degrees GMST since the 1880-1900 baseline.
@Breadbored.
@Breadbored. 5 жыл бұрын
What is the cause of the extreme drop in global temperature every 100k years? I have never heard an explanation for that, only that it happens predictably.
@vvavdotq4136
@vvavdotq4136 5 жыл бұрын
Are you serious?
@revahill2074
@revahill2074 5 жыл бұрын
There are cycles. Scientists study them. No one has found one that explains global warming. 100k timeframe for cycle claim vs 200 years of emissions and global arming. They aren't a match.
@vendicarkahn4860
@vendicarkahn4860 5 жыл бұрын
"What is the cause ... every 100 years" - Nigel the Moron. Oh, that is easy to answer. There isn't one.
@annprehn
@annprehn 5 жыл бұрын
We are going into a Grand Solar Minimum. It will be really cold for at least thirty years.
@ronaldgarrison8478
@ronaldgarrison8478 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's the Milankovich cycles that have to do with the Earth's axial tilt and its orbital path, both of them changing in a cyclical pattern. (Picture a spinning top, with its tilt drifting back and forth.) Dr Budd mentioned them, but didn't spend a lot of time on it.
@nickarmstrong6080
@nickarmstrong6080 5 жыл бұрын
Are there any people making comments who have credential similar to the speakers?
@martinlag1
@martinlag1 5 жыл бұрын
none.
@thetruthalwaysscary
@thetruthalwaysscary 5 жыл бұрын
Nick Armstrong ...regarding commenting. Do you have a degree to evaluate the speaker's degree? Just curious if you have double standards toward others while you yourself acting as a genuine asshole in the mean time. People do not need a degree to have an opinion regardless they are on the side or opposing any particular speaker.
@nescius2
@nescius2 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the lecture, good stuff, except for all those experts in the discussion, some of them did not even watch this before commenting.
@thumpick
@thumpick 4 жыл бұрын
20:50 the “hockey stick” referes to temperature NOT CO2 levels in the climate world
@jdcampbell9613
@jdcampbell9613 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Watson does it? Is there a “hockey stick” increase of global temp?
@PistonAvatarGuy
@PistonAvatarGuy 4 жыл бұрын
But both graphs are very similar.
@48Ballen
@48Ballen 3 жыл бұрын
The hockey stick NEVER HAPPENED!!!
@Neilhuny
@Neilhuny 3 жыл бұрын
@@48Ballen doesn't exist and here's proof
@Ron_the_Skeptic
@Ron_the_Skeptic 5 жыл бұрын
"Climate modelling is hard, uncertain, and lacks good data" explains why the models don't match observed data. Garbage in delivers garbage out. If you don't understand the problem, you will have difficulty solving it, and computers just do what they are told to do.
@georgelet4132
@georgelet4132 5 жыл бұрын
Assumption 1: Things are getting warmer. Based on the hockey stick. Not true. From there the whole business of fossil fuel CO2 causing warming (now the nebulous "climate change") is questionable at best.
@luisarean
@luisarean 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad we have a PhD here who with deep mathematical arguments ("not true") has wholly convinced me, a humble physicist, I have been wrong for the last 10 years. Thank you from the bottom of my stupid heart. /sarcasm off
@5bagsofpopcorn
@5bagsofpopcorn 5 жыл бұрын
@@luisarean m8 there all over the comment section. All the hobby climate scientists that have evidence to the contrary have shown up here. Yet they all dont want to show any proof. Sad.
@mjja9983
@mjja9983 4 жыл бұрын
Fact 1: Things are getting warmer. Based on actual measurements.
@user-dq7ms8ir4c
@user-dq7ms8ir4c 4 жыл бұрын
Luis Arean So i guess you're the only scientist whos opinion matters. Warming has been happening since the last ice age, as you know, however,mans impact is not "settled science".
@9UaYXxB
@9UaYXxB 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-dq7ms8ir4c The predominant consensus among climate scientists is that climate change is happening and that it's human induced. The evidence that substantiates their consensus has been strengthening robustly decade over decade. Yes, there are dissenters, but they are not in any way in parity with those who've long concluded by very educated assessment that humanity has precipitated the current ascent in global average temperature... which is happening (as the lecture stated) virtually 'instantaneously' in the span of planetary time.... the instantaneous blip of years since the commencement of the industrial revolution.
@benmarr352
@benmarr352 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but the model does not seem to work throughout history, if the CO2 % in the atmosphere and emissivity are linear (and I am not sure that they are - because water and methane, per the professor, are actually the major greenhouse gases) then the temperature growth at times when CO2 was far far higher would have run away with itself. It did not. Could I ask that the professor plugs in historical long term (very, very high CO2) numbers and sees what the model predicts and what the actual results were. This would be testing the Hypothesis (model) against actual long term data. The model does not seem to work.
@alvesrocha
@alvesrocha 5 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for historians in 30 years time digging the internet for old videos of "scientists" claiming the Earth would be ruined/destroyed by 2050
@scottekoontz
@scottekoontz 5 жыл бұрын
Me too, because none of them said that. It will be hilarious to ask the deniers to show us the video that they claim frightened them.
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
@@scottekoontz Well they did say that lower Manhattan could be under water by now and that the Arctic Ocean could be an ice free lake by now. Of course they always put "could" in front front of every doomsday scenario they dream up for their continued welfare payments. Mars "could" attack too. In fact, Jack Nicholson starred in a "documentary" of it How did Einstein famously put it ? E "might equal" M x C squared ? "Ecce Homo" (behold....the "scientist")
@kirstinstrand6292
@kirstinstrand6292 5 жыл бұрын
No one likes to face such painful truths...especially the totally ignorant of mankind. More: upon further reflection, we've all been lied to throughout our lives, it's a wonder that there is any trust at all in this crazy world of ours. Half the battle is to figure out whom to trust! And that takes self trust, first of all.
@deusmorthem441
@deusmorthem441 5 жыл бұрын
That takes education and scientific thought. Trust is developed through educating yourself. And trust in scientific topics is built through eliminating a priori beliefs and bias. There is an abundance of information and the only obstacles are laziness and adherence to science by consensus.
@altareggo
@altareggo 5 жыл бұрын
@Homo Quantum Sapiens I guess you are saying this in a sarcastic way... NOBODY trusts scientific sources "blindly", since science is constantly changing (and in most cases, improving, i might add) its methods, approaches and quite often, its conclusions. That said, when it comes to strictly scientific matters, it seems wise to pay more attention to scientists who are widely respected by OTHER scientists (i.e. when they are speaking the field(s) of science they are actively researching - as opposed to when they are speaking about areas they are NOT actively involved in...), than to people whose qualifications are "suspect" or worse. Climate science goes back 150+ years, and even in the 19th century the basic premises of the green-house effect were understood. Trust NOBODY "blindly", but DO put more trust in those who deserve it.
@funkyplasmaman
@funkyplasmaman 5 жыл бұрын
@Homo Quantum Sapiens peer review often supports falsehoods and falsifies corrections, the resistance to having ones PHD disproved is a powerful motivator, never forget scientists are human too and prone to all the fallibilities of humans, the very fact many climate scientists claim the science is settled is all you need to know, never in human history was any field in science or education considered settled, the idea that a 40 year old field of discovery has nothing else to learn is as wrong as humans have ever been about anything, naysayers are now losing their jobs and positions on faculties for challenging the climate models, its a return to the inquisition, the likes of Tycho, Copernicus and Galileo would recognize the dogma of today's climate science as their own experiences 400 years ago.
@GoA7250
@GoA7250 4 жыл бұрын
@@altareggo Yes, you trust the information you are told is true. There are many scientists who disagree with climate alarmists, but you won't hear that because 'they' don't tell you about it. You can only now what you are told.
@jmuld1
@jmuld1 5 жыл бұрын
Your failure to address the warming 1910-1940 vs the 1970-2000 warming, as others, is noted. Do you think we are so stupid that we are unfamiliar with the talking points?
@Eric-ye5yz
@Eric-ye5yz 5 жыл бұрын
I think you are so stupid as to be unfamiliar with the talking points
@zympf
@zympf 5 жыл бұрын
promised to "discuss later" whether temperature lags or leads carbon dioxide in the ice core data ... but didn't!
@kokopelli314
@kokopelli314 5 жыл бұрын
I am curious about the enthalpy of melted ice and increased water vapor. Seems a lot of latent heat remains unaccounted for.
@grindupBaker
@grindupBaker 5 жыл бұрын
Enthalpy of melted ice is not negligible but is small compared with heat being pushed into the oceans (it's ~3.5%). I'm not bothering to check the accurate values for this little comment so suppose it was 400 Gt / year melted average for both ice sheets the last 20 years so 8,000 Gt melted plus, say, 14,000 Gt of Arctic Ocean sea ice always gone on average now compared with the 1900 AD - 1970 AD period. To melt the 22,000 Gt of ice requires 7.3 Zettajoules total for the 20 years. Over the last 20 years 200 Zettajoules has been pushed into the oceans by the TOA radiative imbalance caused by the +GHGs forcings and their feedbacks so far. So oceans extra heat the last 20 years has been 27x the heat used to melt the lost ice. If it interests you enough to bother finding the actual ice loss the last 30-40 years say and the oceans extra heat from NOAA ORAP5 then do that calculation accurate, reply and I'll add that to my copious notes. Water vapour is too tricky for me to assess (it's time to relax before bed right now). 7% increase of the 80 w/m**2 = 5.6 w/m**2 increased latent heat oceans--->atmosphere. Radiation surface--->atmosphere = 396 w/m**2, sensible heat flux surface--->atmosphere = 17 w/m**2 so the 5.6 w/m**2 increase is a 1.14% increase in energy surface--->atmosphere. The energy atmosphere's energy is radiated to space and back to surface in the ratio 38%-->space 62%-->surface. You take it from there if it interests you enough. I might follow through to the final effect some other time.
@modelpainter7838
@modelpainter7838 5 жыл бұрын
@@grindupBaker or obviously, the entire globe is warming, huh.
@rogerdiogo6893
@rogerdiogo6893 5 жыл бұрын
This guy is not talking about climate, he´s talking about the weather.
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
Mark Twain defined the difference between the two more succinctly than a crusading army of "climatologists" singing "Onward -Christian Soldiers- climate scientists, marching as to war." *_Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get._*
@cymoonrbacpro9426
@cymoonrbacpro9426 5 жыл бұрын
To be clear mathematical analysis is all statistical and all of these models have margin of error and when using multiple models you have to multiply that margin of errors and remember they are just models . “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
@Neilhuny
@Neilhuny 3 жыл бұрын
They are better than anything else we have and they say that climate warming in man-made. There is no doubt about that
@GeorgiosD90
@GeorgiosD90 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neilhuny How do you know they are better than nothing? A wrong result could be worse than no result. If there is no doubt about something, that is only your opinion....
@ariseon4186
@ariseon4186 4 жыл бұрын
Hockey stick it is a hoax ! Michael Mann recently lost a lawsuit against Tim Ball !
@user-iq1wt4vl7z
@user-iq1wt4vl7z 4 жыл бұрын
Yes there was a lawsuit against Tim Ball but it was not about Michael Manns climate data from the late 1990's, this was about an insult from Ball against Mann some years earlier(court protocoll: www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/19/15/2019BCSC1580.htm). Mann's 'hockey curve' is still a fact and his data is also accessible to the public.
@markefreet1522
@markefreet1522 5 жыл бұрын
Okay let's bookmark this lecture. Current prediction is that 30 years from now that was 2018 when this video was published that all Arctic sea ice will be gone. That's going to be 2048. If by 2048 that doesn't occur are we going to get an apology for climate alarmism? I doubt it.
@rebeccamartin411
@rebeccamartin411 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of scientist wannabes in the comments here. Can't wait to see their peer reviewed published research paper that solidifies their fame in the scientific community
@Blog4Justice
@Blog4Justice 4 жыл бұрын
Everything is susceptible to corruption. Peer review is no guarantee of integrity when the players all have skin in the same game. It can even have the very opposite effect: suppression of truth and of legitimate doubt. History has demonstrated this time and time again.
@MrZZsharka
@MrZZsharka 4 жыл бұрын
I’d like this speaker to explain why the average temperature has not decreased in the last 18 years and why the temperature at the Arctic rises more than countries that create the most carbon emissions like China and India. P S the graph goes up to 2000. What the hell is he talking about regarding 2016 being the hottest on record ? Show the rest of the graph and it isn’t rising.
@patrickb.4749
@patrickb.4749 4 жыл бұрын
"why the temperature at the Arctic rises more than countries that create the most carbon emissions like China and India" Can you play devil's advocate for me and try to figure out why mainstream science does not expect warming to occur at the place of emissions?
@apumasterp
@apumasterp 5 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the graph at 6:30, I knew this was bogus. Much warmer in the 30’s than it is now! Also plants do much better with 200-500 percent higher co2 than we have now, and require less water to produce more product.
@stevenjohnston2263
@stevenjohnston2263 5 жыл бұрын
The 1930s were warmer than 2016. Check out Tony Heller's videos on the subject.
@tntmeyer1
@tntmeyer1 5 жыл бұрын
Right on! Tony proves how this guy is assuming facts that are not in evidence.
@Desperatedan592
@Desperatedan592 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how there was never a correlation between CO2 and temperature all the way through the nineties up to the noughties and now suddenly there is thanks to Schmitt and Karl. Tony Heller has shown an interesting straight line correlation between CO2 concentration and temperature data tampering sorry adjustments.
@bfizglc
@bfizglc 4 жыл бұрын
Heller is not a scientist. The period for which reliable instrumental records of near-surface temperature exist with global coverage is generally considered to begin around 1850. The consensus among scientists is that the emissions of anthropogenic greenhouse gases since industrialization began are the main cause of rising temperatures.
@grindupBaker
@grindupBaker 4 жыл бұрын
"straight line correlation between CO2 concentration and temperature data tampering". That's quite an amusing scam by Heller / Goddard. I'm very showoffy about nobody seems to have realized Heller / Goddard's scam except me.
@silviotaboas
@silviotaboas 5 жыл бұрын
WTF! How is possible that a Geometry graduate considers himself able to speech about Phisics?
@tcz7742
@tcz7742 5 жыл бұрын
His temperature graph of the last two thousand years shows the medieval warm as being much colder than present. This is simply not true, take it from a geologist. So what else in this mass of mathematics has he gotten wrong. Climate change is real and natural and a small contribution may come from man now but it is not a catastrophe. CO2 is not the control knob of climate change only a small contributor.
@jochannan7379
@jochannan7379 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have references to back up your claim, beyond just saying "This is simply not true, take it from a geologist"? Second, clearly, the warming that we currently see is ENTIRELY man-made. Without our emissions, there would not have been no significant temperature change over the last century. Since the 1960s, solar activity has been stagnant, yet the earth has been warming. The ONLY explanation we have that matches our observations is that this is caused by the greenhouse effect. And lastly, no climate scientist says that C02 is ALONE responsible for the climate. The most important driver is the sun. But when we see the climate changing without a change in insolation, there is obviously something else going on.
@stephenallen6148
@stephenallen6148 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like a model planet demonstration using CGI of the predicted effects of climate change would be critical to helping people understand. Like CGI renderings of the sinking of the Titanic it just becomes very real when you see them.
@philiphall4805
@philiphall4805 4 жыл бұрын
i feel a model demonstration of our climate in a lab would silence "deniers"...... if they know the mechanism and the science is settled then it should be no problem to demonstrate how the greenhouse effect works , with experiments that are repeatable with matching results for me they know nothing about how the climate works , not even close , if so then given unlimited resources could anyone end a drought or stop a hurricane from forming ? perhaps Al Gore could detail , step by step , how this would be done and the mechanism behind it until these questions are answered I say they know shit
@kenmarriott5772
@kenmarriott5772 5 жыл бұрын
Problem with the temperature chart. It's showing it warmer than the 1930s when the US had record highs close to 100 nationwide.
@pretorious700
@pretorious700 4 жыл бұрын
They altered the data to fit the narrative. They didn't expect anyone to go behind their charts and find earlier data that conflicts with their paradigm.
@susannastromberg6221
@susannastromberg6221 4 жыл бұрын
well, that might be because the local extreme temperatures in the US was not part of a global high... much of the record extremes observed historically, that might exceed todays records, was more local phenomena. when discussing global climate change you need to look at the global means.
3 жыл бұрын
The global means show cooling. We are in solar minimum. Climate change happens but there is nothing much happening right now and humans didnt cause it.
@gordonhirst7264
@gordonhirst7264 3 жыл бұрын
US temperatures not global
@chimesmedia2331
@chimesmedia2331 5 жыл бұрын
He accepts the data without questioning that data.
@Hakirokone
@Hakirokone 5 жыл бұрын
a minute and a half in and the dude shows a 'model of everything' which doesn't include the sun. lol, some "scientist". I'm out.
@palebluedot7435
@palebluedot7435 5 жыл бұрын
@@ricktd6891 dumbass im tired of you thinking your smarter then scientist. Go away any point you bring ill destroy
@palebluedot7435
@palebluedot7435 5 жыл бұрын
Solar irradience has been reletivly stable over tha past few centuries and is declining yet heat retention is up
@frankblangeard8865
@frankblangeard8865 5 жыл бұрын
'Climate Change' will be mostly beneficial for the earth as a whole.
@TheGodlessGuitarist
@TheGodlessGuitarist 5 жыл бұрын
Certainly the drowning of the USA will go a long way toward that end
@remcovanek2
@remcovanek2 5 жыл бұрын
No it will not
@chipknows728
@chipknows728 5 жыл бұрын
Figures never lie but liars always figure. Where is the math you promised. I've seen enough charts explain why yours are superior to others please. Half in and I'm out.
@mariodidier001
@mariodidier001 5 жыл бұрын
39:55
@GrumblingGrognard
@GrumblingGrognard 5 жыл бұрын
...and FOOLS that will never understand quote misplaced cliché's. Go away and read your horoscope.
@vendicarkahn4860
@vendicarkahn4860 5 жыл бұрын
Chip's willful ignorance on full display.
@ulfschack
@ulfschack 5 жыл бұрын
md Well there you have it. Math found. However these are just ordinare physics formulas most of which even I have seen before. We’ve had some of them for > 100 ys. The trick is not to _find_ formulas for fluid mechanics, but to find starting conditions and weighting on these differential equations. To be absolutely blunt they could all be replaced by the wave function that is underlying all other equations if we go that route. But that’s not constructive ...either.
@ulfschack
@ulfschack 5 жыл бұрын
md oh and sorry for the “lecture”. You did, after all, rightly point to the stamp with the equations :)
@tirregius
@tirregius 5 жыл бұрын
Also, his data on extreme weather events is completely wrong. There is no sign that there are an anomalous number of extreme weather events happening this decade.
@TheGodlessGuitarist
@TheGodlessGuitarist 5 жыл бұрын
*"his data on extreme weather events is completely wrong"* please present your evidence
@tirregius
@tirregius 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheGodlessGuitarist www.omicsonline.org/open-access/trends-in-extreme-weather-events-since-1900--an-enduring-conundrum-for-wise-policy-advice-2167-0587-1000155.php?aid=69558
@martijnvanmensvoort9095
@martijnvanmensvoort9095 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, very informative... and I especially appreciate the parts where Prof. Budd spoke about the uncertainties involved.
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, he did a good job. Then again he is making an academic presentation. In an academic presentation you are expected to present anything that contradicts your conclusion as well as confirms it. That's one of the reasons that science is so successful in finding truth.
@georgelet4132
@georgelet4132 5 жыл бұрын
What uncertainty? "Climate change" due to fossil fuel is "settled".
@silent00planet
@silent00planet 4 жыл бұрын
I would be careful with that word truth but we know what you mean?
@theonionpirate1076
@theonionpirate1076 5 жыл бұрын
One incorrect thing he said is that “until recently, climate change wasn’t called climate change at all. It was called global warming.” “Climactic change” terminology actually predates the term “global warming.” It’s just that for a while there the latter term was more popular, and then it switched.
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 5 жыл бұрын
Actually both are incorrect. To the rest of the worlds scientists global warming is what gives you climate change, and the rate of global warming dictates how severe and fast the climate changes. And to to deny that is to deny the fact that a pot boils quicker when the gas is turned up.
@swinde
@swinde 5 жыл бұрын
In 1988 the UN panel was created. It was called the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.) Global Warming is the cause and Climate Change is the Effect.
@totokfr
@totokfr 5 жыл бұрын
Funny how people with no qualifications argue in the comments section of you tube with elaborate arguments. Call me hopelessly conventional but when I rake a plane I trust in the expertise of pilots who've spent years training to do the job. Similarly when I want to know about the future of the climate I look to climatologists not you tube commenters . 95 % of climatologists opinion that climate change is man made and dangerous and EXPENSIVE is good enough for me. The recent very alarmist study said that tackling the problem would cost 3 or 4% of world GDP. I'm not rich but I'd happily give 4% of my net worth to insure my grandchildren ( that I don't yet have ) and yours avoid a global climate breakdown.
@grzlbr
@grzlbr 5 жыл бұрын
Tony King says "95% of climatologists agree" ...lol, a sucker born every second.
@deusmorthem441
@deusmorthem441 5 жыл бұрын
The claim that 95% of scientists believe in AGW/climate change (or more popularity known as 97%), has been debunked many times. There is also a stark difference between climate science and aeronautic engineering and design: one can be immediately tested and proven. The other is still theoretical at best due to the amount of variables, chaotic nature of system, lack of historical data (at levels required) and bias of scientists involved (proven through data rigging, a priori beliefs,m to support funding, etc).
@funkyplasmaman
@funkyplasmaman 5 жыл бұрын
i spotted one of those tricks he mentioned, when discussing Arctic ice cover at 26.20+ the first few graphs works with up to 8.5 million sq miles, then to show the constant decrease the graphs are doubled up to 16 million sq miles, this trick has been used many times in these models, very sneaky
@duudleDreamz
@duudleDreamz 5 жыл бұрын
Great talk, with much needed proper mathematical/statistical analysis of the climate. If you break your leg you see a medical expert. If you want to know about climate you consult accredited climate scientists who publish in peer reviewed journals. PS watch out for Big Oil lobbyists who like Big Tobacco lobbyists will spread disinformation wherever they can.
@bobelschlager6906
@bobelschlager6906 5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8-AfNl5mZ-8XXk.html “Global Warming; 31,487 Scientists say NO to Alarm"
@xchopp
@xchopp 5 жыл бұрын
Bob E: debunked! Some time ago, actually: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ht9ii7l6sa65moU.html Something of a zombie this one.
@halholland1637
@halholland1637 5 жыл бұрын
Statistics show that 97% of statatitions are full of $-it.
@mondotv4216
@mondotv4216 5 жыл бұрын
@@bobelschlager6906 Troll - for everyone of those BS videos there are 10 debunking them -mostly with inconvenient peer-reviewed science. I'd probably start with this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ep9ppKxll7GrcmQ.html
@peterfouche
@peterfouche 5 жыл бұрын
We would be foolish to trust scientists funded by big oil without checking their work. We would be equally foolish to trust scientists funded by big government without checking their work.
@axeman2638
@axeman2638 5 жыл бұрын
Your model is only as good as your assumptions and your starting data, neither of which are correct in climate modelling.
@philipchambers4165
@philipchambers4165 4 жыл бұрын
I know the 'hockey stick' term is being used widely now for any graph that has a steep rise at one end but wan't the original Michael E Mann et al on temperature, not CO2? Also aren't there significant differences between local and global measurements (apart from sea level) and he doesn't make clear which he's talking about. Seems he may be interchanging to suit his point? Nice to be so sure of everything!
@grindupBaker
@grindupBaker 5 жыл бұрын
At 52:24 and generally. These climate scientists never mention that there are also 18 paleo climate proxy analyses that have pegged climate sensitivity (warming for CO2 doubling) at 2.4 to 4.8 degrees, so most likely around 3.6 degrees, but that's after centuries to get squeeze out that final tiny bit of warming (because they are paleo climate proxies so long time scale) so will be a bit less than 3.6 degrees over 100 years. This does match well the 3.3 degrees climate sensitivity that WG1 climate scientists are settling on.
@barta9342
@barta9342 5 жыл бұрын
Did he mension Milankovic laws of climate change ? Seems important to me.
@scottekoontz
@scottekoontz 5 жыл бұрын
If you have 10,000s of years to wait, that would be important. This is what is happening now, with a 100-year scale and not a 10,000 year scale.
@Outofanser
@Outofanser 5 жыл бұрын
35:52 Yes he did mention it. It's in the model.
@Eric-ye5yz
@Eric-ye5yz 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Milankovic Cycles …… the last desperate argument of a Dinosaur. You need to read up to date information.
@qinby1182
@qinby1182 5 жыл бұрын
The Milankovic Cycles, we know work on aprox 100.000 years so of course not an issue on these 100 year timescales. Then you have the Solar cycle argument in 11 year cycles (yes I know there are more) but the core is both solar cycles and Milankovic Cycles is about more warming from the sun. Since we do measure solar irradiance we know this is declining (and have for 30+ years) we do know this is not the cause of the warming. This of course also kills the "mini ice age is coming maunder minimum" morons.
@doublecrossedswine112
@doublecrossedswine112 5 жыл бұрын
It's worth stating that Earth, in it's natural cycle, should be cooling at the moment as we slowly slide into an ice age about 25,000 years from now. Scientists don't correct for this (far as I'm aware) so human caused warming is more significant than we can show. Also, they don't account for the carbon released from wild fires, industrial accidents, methane clathrate releases, and many other factors they can't account for so its very safe to say that the climate science is off, too far conservative. This shit is bad.
@theultimatereductionist7592
@theultimatereductionist7592 5 жыл бұрын
Mathematics is God. I am honored to have lived on this earth & done something relatively very few (out of all humans who have existed) have done: prove mathematical theorems, search for new solutions to differential equations, invert/solve transcendental equations, devote my life to differential algebra.
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
But what did you actually do? I fixed a leaky toilet today. I also built a vehicle that went pretty fast (about 30 MPH) from washing machine parts, lumber, wagon wheels, and a broken lawnmower when I was 12 in 1956. My folks thought I could never do it but I fooled them. I made some babies too with a little help from my wife. Why don't you list the important stuff you have honored yourself with for us?
@rogerdiogo6893
@rogerdiogo6893 5 жыл бұрын
The economics of cliamte change are easy to *understand* The temperature of the World goes up, i make money, the temperature goes down, I make Money…Pope Al Gore.
@Dana5775
@Dana5775 5 жыл бұрын
Al Gore is doing this to get rich? This disgusting concept was strictly a politically partisan motive period. Our environment is more important than partisan politics. There is far more motive to protect hydro carbon industries than to make money promoting global warming. People who are in denial point at this as a scam to get rich. Really ! Compared to what the Petro & Industrial military complex stand to loose trillions more than a poor scientist. When I see presentations that attempt to debunk climate change I Just follow the money right back to this scource “petrol & military contractors” (the power that steels the resources) They are always the sponsors of these suedo science frauds.
@GrumblingGrognard
@GrumblingGrognard 5 жыл бұрын
LOL Yep Big Bad AL making tons of money unlike the oil, gas, drilling and shipping Corporations that now own congress. Can you REALLY be that damn STUPID?!
@kenvandeburgt1232
@kenvandeburgt1232 5 жыл бұрын
Your models have left out the sun. You'll never get it right till you can model the sun's influence on the climate at all spectra including UV, magnetics, etc.
@Outofanser
@Outofanser 5 жыл бұрын
35:52 Solar Forcing. It's in the models. The emissivity and albedo of a gas depends on its interaction with the different spectrum of light radiation, so it's in there too.
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the CMEs (Coronal Mass Ejections) and the marching magnetic poles - this shit is hard.
@myothersoul1953
@myothersoul1953 5 жыл бұрын
You didn't watch the video did you? See the slide at 35:50 and the slide at 45:15 and the whole discussion of the EDM model.
@JCResDoc94
@JCResDoc94 5 жыл бұрын
42:00 un-testable models are useless (*honest). & mixing data sets is a risky business. you can magnify confounds and get alarmist sounding results.
@dennishorne1542
@dennishorne1542 5 жыл бұрын
A very clear lecture by top mathematician. The comments from the know-alls are depressing. Mostly Americans?
@alanyates5088
@alanyates5088 5 жыл бұрын
No mention of irresponsible geo engineering or reckless population growth without which his lecture is incomplete.
@marc-andrebrunet5386
@marc-andrebrunet5386 5 жыл бұрын
🎯Good stuff to learn again ! 📈This is why I'm a big fan of 👉"Gresham College Super-Lectures"👈 thank you very much for all. I salute you all from Quebec Canada.
@IanAlderige
@IanAlderige 4 жыл бұрын
Please don't stop producing oil, wood and meat. You are helping to fuel our world and also getting people out of poverty and starvation. Cheers Canada!
@thatunicornhastheaudacity
@thatunicornhastheaudacity 4 жыл бұрын
@@IanAlderige what about a reduction?
@thatunicornhastheaudacity
@thatunicornhastheaudacity 4 жыл бұрын
I would be a big fan of reducing plastics www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=34&t=6 it would be interesting to look into.
@charleslong5373
@charleslong5373 5 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a lecture on the mathematics of the economics of climate change. How much is being spent on research grants? How much on global observations? How much on remedies? How much on such “pseudo” alternatives such as wind and solar? How much on politicians and lawyers screaming about it? What are the trends in these expenses? What are the proposals for future spending? What are the differentials of the trends in spending. What are the inflation-adjusted integrals of spending over periods of time?
@Federer935
@Federer935 5 жыл бұрын
They would not dare publish that - the whole scam might collapse - unthinkable!
@ADEehrh
@ADEehrh 5 жыл бұрын
Why is there always those people playing the role of ;"I'm sooo much smarter then the experts because I say so?!!
@mrphwibbs9766
@mrphwibbs9766 5 жыл бұрын
Because you have it all figured out right? Climate change was invented by the Chinese to compete with the US and also invented by the US to tax more, of course. Although it's good to uphold a level of skepticism, you're just drowning yourself in conspiracy theories. Scientists aren't evil, renewable energy isn't "pseudo" and please do some research avoiding biased news sources. Science never asked to get political but people made it, now whether it's real or not depends on the party you're affiliated with.
@janrosenbaum3388
@janrosenbaum3388 5 жыл бұрын
1) So climatists calibrate their models for past data, and try to predict the future with it? Are you sure? By this method you can take any model, no matter how foolish it is. At least they should take 50% data for calibration, and check if they can predict the second 50%. But even in this case the predictions can be false: --> Take data from a sin(x) - function from -Pi/2 to Pi/2 (with some noise): I bet you get a parabola as best estimate. 2) You dont explain how exaclty CO2 is taken into account! Because its ratio in air is so small, it doesnt affect any physical equation you showed (in your interesting equation slide for the weather). I am really interessted in that particulary point, because climatist say CO2 the most important! 3) You are making the fundamental mistake of climatologists: There is no conversation law of radiation! You totally confuse the words energy, radiation and heat. 4) You did a simple mathematical mistake - popular to all climatologists - by comparing a 4th root of 4th power mean with a normal mean, when you used Stefan-Boltzman! And from physics point of view it is highly questionable, if one can asume that the earth is a black body radiator!!!
@ADEehrh
@ADEehrh 5 жыл бұрын
Did you graduate from trump U?! That would ne of no surprise!
@2tardi
@2tardi 5 жыл бұрын
I haven’t found the explanation of the Stefan-Boltzmann-Law (I cannot see the earth as a black object). Explanation of atmospheric greenhouse theory according to the second law of thermodynamics. How can radiation heat the earth, if it was cooled while it rises and then reflected (back to earth). Why shows data from partridge et al (2009) that the temperature of the stratosphere did not increase over 40 years?
@Dundoril
@Dundoril 5 жыл бұрын
"Explanation of atmospheric greenhouse theory according to the second law of thermodynamics. How can radiation heat the earth, if it was cooled while it rises and then reflected (back to earth). " How? I dont even understand the question. Do you? Its like asking: How can the light of a light source hit a mirror and be reflected back onto the light source... It has nothing to do with the second law...
@cuurtage1887
@cuurtage1887 5 жыл бұрын
It seems that the problem to solve is to keep a CO2-level that can save us from the recurring ice ages.
@stevebrown6477
@stevebrown6477 5 жыл бұрын
That means increasing CO2 and planting trees and plants more aggressively. CO2 is a requirement to grow plants. Plants produce oxygen. It all works together with moisture in the air. The more moisture and more CO2 the greater plant life and food growing capability. This is the opposite of Global Warming, Climate Change, Ozone Holes, Acid Rain, Global Cooling, Nuclear Winter...blah blah blah. Give it up leftists. You can't control climate and your desire is to control people.
@IanAlderige
@IanAlderige 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevebrown6477 Exactly. Wanna help the world? Start by not using cellphones which are equipped with toxic batteries.
@ofdrumsandchords
@ofdrumsandchords 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevebrown6477 Fossil energies are responsible each years of hundreds of Tchernobyl. We assess that Tchernobyl will have killed ten to twenty thousands people. Oil and coal pollution kill hundreds of thousands human beings each year. I don't understand skeptical : even in you don't believe in anthropic global warming, how can you ignore this fact ? Just look at the pollution by carbon energies, it's letal. Oil and coal emit various toxic particles, and a coal plant produces 50x more radioactivity than a nuclear plant. Don't tell yourself fairy tales to run away from facts.
@scottwilson2691
@scottwilson2691 4 жыл бұрын
Except every living thing on Earth is made of Carbon. Which can only be made by plants breathing in Co2 from the atmosphere and other animals eat those plants to reproduce and populate. All Fossil Fuels came from living plants and animals. But it is criminal to return the carbon back to the atmosphere to keep our little terrarium alive 🤣
@darkphoenix7225
@darkphoenix7225 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevebrown6477 Looks like someone remembered the basic explanation in their 6th grade science class. However it's not as simple as you think it is. More CO2 alone will not make a plant grow more. It will also need more nutrients and water. If CO2 causes the Earth to warm more on average, the more water is going to turn into water vapor. Water vapor is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2. You would create a feedback loop. Also, some plants don't even use CO2 as plant food. Some plants use CO3 instead. Your idea is like saying eating more food will help you grow. Again, that's not how it works. You need water and nutrients to grow as well.
@navyvet384
@navyvet384 5 жыл бұрын
Probably the most non-convincing presentation I have seen yet from the scholarly folk... Avoiding Gresham at all costs seems the right choice
@geraldfrost4710
@geraldfrost4710 5 жыл бұрын
oddly selected facts. for instance a graph of sea level going back 20 years, and it's all up up up! and then saying if all the ice melted sea levels to up by 300 meters: these people better be moving now! but wait: he forgot to add the time scale for the second event. he omitted that scientists agree that it will take between 5,000 years and 125,000 years for this to happen. will it happen? maybe. but remember; 12,000 years New York was under a mile of ice.
@bestbits2345
@bestbits2345 5 жыл бұрын
@@geraldfrost4710 why is a scientist such as yourself wasting your time here in the comment section. Send in your research for peer review my friend. You've worked it all out!
@boguslawszostak1784
@boguslawszostak1784 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion he told nothing new. Almost zero of math, more uncertain physics basis than he thinks.
@georgwachberg1242
@georgwachberg1242 5 жыл бұрын
really? may i ask how many presentations of "scholarly folk"s you have seen in total?
@peterharris3096
@peterharris3096 5 жыл бұрын
I thought a good attempt to illustrate the actual maths formulas for climate study in a good humoured way. Without partisan deformation of character whichever side of the debate the viewer sits.
@JohnSmith-uy3fp
@JohnSmith-uy3fp 5 жыл бұрын
The mathematics of climate change: 2+2=5
@Resologist
@Resologist 5 жыл бұрын
Can't predict the weather more than a week ahead, yet simple models suggest trends over decades, (when funds are given to indicate them)?
@myothersoul1953
@myothersoul1953 5 жыл бұрын
Because climate isn't about the weather on a single day .... but then you'd know that if you had watched and paid attention to the video.
@calummackenzie1050
@calummackenzie1050 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, and another thing... as CO2 levels in the atmosphere rise, flora thrives to bring it back again to lower levels... the earth's atmoshere is one huge spring balance mechanism - how else has life on earth thrived for millions of years with the earth in such a precarious position being 'third rock from the Sun' without the atmosphere 'boiling off' eons ago.
@nikkikoutz5307
@nikkikoutz5307 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Why does this not have more likes
@mateuszp2038
@mateuszp2038 5 жыл бұрын
climate change deniers
@lucaco4468
@lucaco4468 4 жыл бұрын
@@mateuszp2038 indeed, they seem to be really sensitive to this video, I guess all those numbers and stats made their heads hurt
@InfinityBlue4321
@InfinityBlue4321 5 жыл бұрын
at 6:24 he shows the fake hockey stick. The Medieval warming period is estimated to be much more warmer than showed, propably higher than today. The proxy data used to fabricate this hockey Stick uses dendrology, in particular a pine tree, which growing yearly rate is more sensitive to available water, than temperature! Then at 8:45 it omits the fall in temperatures from 1940 to 1977, the period of an huge increase in CO2! Following it omits the pause in the increase in temperatures, verified from 1998 to present date. Then it talks about Arctic melting ice, and forgets to say Antarctic is gaining ice for decades! At this time is worth to see this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9eVnbuknL7Lo4k.html, then it comes one of the worst absurd and preposterous assumption that make me rolling in laugh. This klown sais that Antartic region is gaining ice because terrestial antarctic is melting LOOOOOOOOLLLLL! At this stage i stop commenting... iam gona see the rest, just to observe how these nescients fool their public, doing this type of "anthropogenic" climate change pseudoscientific propaganda. (...) I said i would stop commenting but i cant LOL. Just after it talks about extreme weather, showing a picture that seems a fake, with a sea wave in a Vilage! My grand mother, that lived in a small countryside vilagge near a mountain, explained me that in the 1920s, there was a diluge in the mountain that wiped half the village away, basicaly all houses near the small river. There never was another diluge like that ever since that date. (...) the rest is complete BS, pseudoscientific assumptions, lies and more lies, not based in any evidence, etc, etc
@gpettipas
@gpettipas 5 жыл бұрын
The Truth About Climate Change - Dr. Patrick Moore - Greenpeace Co-Founder
@petitio_principii
@petitio_principii 5 жыл бұрын
His background is biology. Irrelevant, as is the fact that he co-founded an activist group that's also not a scientific authority.
@luigi2k
@luigi2k 4 жыл бұрын
Climate change alarmism is the worst thing that has happened to science since the trial of Galileo. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i72Rm656rJqmdWg.html
@marlabeard5352
@marlabeard5352 4 жыл бұрын
So one guy whose background isn't even in the field decided to cash in, and that somehow disproves established facts?
@IanAlderige
@IanAlderige 4 жыл бұрын
@@petitio_principii I met him, his research is on environmental and ecologic systems. Mathematics on the other hand and their prediction models about climate are most of the times wrong.
@smittywerbenjaggermanjense672
@smittywerbenjaggermanjense672 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdx7qpmKz9e3loE.html That's all you need to know about the 'honesty' of Patrick Moore, he is a fraud paid by corporations.
@itspeekaboo
@itspeekaboo 5 жыл бұрын
This lecture must be several years old,atmospheric CO2 concentrations hit some 412.60 ppm....... on May 14 2018
@lopezb
@lopezb 5 жыл бұрын
No, the lecture is from November 2018, but the last record on that graph is Jan 8, 2018, when it was "only" 408 ppm. But there are considerable essentially periodic seasonal oscillations within each year (as he says), so a jump from 408 to 412 is not the issue- it's the overall continued (inexorable?) climb....
@markdamen730
@markdamen730 5 жыл бұрын
it needs to be 600ppm for optimal plant growth at current levels
@Agarwaen
@Agarwaen 5 жыл бұрын
@@markdamen730 Which is.. irrelevant.
@Leitwolf22
@Leitwolf22 3 жыл бұрын
45:30 "107W get reflected by the clouds" - according to the IPCC clouds reflect only 50W/m2. Also the chart explicitly claims 77W/m2 reflected by clouds AND aerosols and gases 46:35 "the earth heats up and acts like a black body" - meaning has an emissivity of 1. 46:50 "the e is the propotion of the radiated energy from the earth actually getting into space. Because a large proportion of the energy radiated from the earth is reflected by the clouds. So you are not (?) getting into space is about 30% of the amount radiated by the earth" - then emissivity = 0.7. 47:40 "the emissivity, sorry I was misquoting, is about 0.6" Within only about 2 minutes Chris Budd managed to mess up virtually everything about the GHE. I think it is a solid indication he has absolutely no clue what he is actually talking about, despite the fact he is not doing research, but is only meant to quote "the climate science" correctly. He totally fails on that. The scary thing here is, that he is not the exception, but rather the rule. By quoting a bad science incorrectly, he has all it takes to be a climate expert.
@williamturner6192
@williamturner6192 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, looks like it, huh? What do you think he meant by the simple formula (somewhere around 50 min) indicating instant point-of-no-return but it can still be used to check the complex models? He didn't explain it, did he? Not too great at explanations.
@eschdaddy
@eschdaddy 5 жыл бұрын
If you're confused about, or disagree with climate change because of discrepancies in the modeling versus actual temperatures, (which is evidence some 'climatologists' use to discredit climate change) then don’t worry, you’re just a critical thinker. But before you think it’s actual evidence to completely write off climate change and mitigating actions, please consider the following 2 critical points: 1. Ice melt and permafrost melt are happening much faster than the models predicted as well. Why is this important? Melting ice requires MUCH more energy, called latent heat. Latent heat requires 80 times more energy, than raising like temperatures. It takes 1 calorie to raise 1 gram of water, 1 degree celcius. Now, to change 0 degree ice to 0 degree water takes 80 calories. Just as an experiment, take a pot of ice water and put it on heat. Insert a thermometer and watch the temp. You’ll see that the temp doesn’t rise until all the ice it gone. Once it is, you see a sharp rise in temps. So, when you put that in perspective, that the ice is melting faster, it tells you where that energy is going. Still, 2014-2016 were consecutively the hottest years on record. 2. It’s not just about climate change. Oil has a very definitive quantity. According to oilprice.com, there’s only 53 years of oil left anyway and that the easy oil was out in 2008. Now, when you use Energy Return On Investment, or EROI, you see that oil, coal and gas all have low EROI when you account for finding, pumping, transporting, and refining. Gas is the best fossil fuel at 35%. Solar has 200%, Wind has an EROI of 1,164%. So this is about being in front of efficiency and saving the oil for what we need it for: airplanes! Its the only technology we don’t already have an answer for due to the energy density of today’s batteries. Hope this helps
@robertfield4103
@robertfield4103 5 жыл бұрын
So much obfuscation here it is hard to know where to start. Let's stipulate a few things: 1) Mammalian-like species have existed and thrived on earth for ~200 million years. 2) Climate has seen dramatic, at time 'significant' changes during that time. 3) The most 'significant' changes were associated with 'catastrophic' events (comet or meteor strikes, massive volcanic releases of gas and particulates, etc.). Factor in Milankovitch cycles and continental drift due to plate tectonics and you get most of the rest. 4) However, since the global climate is extremely stable with strong negative feedback due to water vapor and clouds, mammals have been able to survive and thrive despite the insults to date. 5) Humans are the most adaptive mammalian species ever to evolve. We will be fine. 6) However, with CO2 concentrations falling below 200 ppm during the last ice age, plants were close to starving (not enough plant food). Current levels of CO2 are dangerous initial conditions for plants (and hence humans) going into the next ice age. End of stipulations. More CO2 is not a risk factor for human flourishing (see Patrick Moore). If you dispute any of the stipulations above, please be specific in any REPLY to this posting.
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
Milankovitch cycles have a period on the order of 100,000 years. Dispute you claim in 4, we have seen clearly measurable change in decades. The global climate is extremely unstable right now. As for 5, we are not doing what we need to do to adapt to this new reality.
@joephysics5469
@joephysics5469 5 жыл бұрын
Real science requires the use of the scientific method. This is critical to prove one's theories.. Climate science looks at past data and them develops theories - guesses. The next major step would be to develop experiments and do those experiments. But these "scientists' do zero experimentation. zero. You can not do experiments on the climate. So these guys develop climate models and computer programs. The guy in the video states that they use physics in their climate models. As a physicist this is insulting to all science. In physics we use the entire scientific method to find facts. Well controlled and repeated experimentation is the absolutely necessary. These climate scientists are not doing physics and don't let them delude you to think that they are. In medicine we deal with very complicated biologic systems - very analogous to the complexities of the climate. Medical research is by far the largest area of research being done at our universities. The gold standard in medical research if to construct and do double blinded prospective randomized experimentation. It has been proven over and over that any other type of study is fatally flawed and is worthless. It is also been shown that using old data (retrospective data) to draw conclusions is dangerously inaccurate. Medical researchers only use old data to develop theories. The final thing that medical research has shown us is that the bias of the researchers is amazingly strong. All too often we have examples of how randomized double blinded prospective studies 'proved' something and then future studies find the old facts to be in error. Medical research if littered with examples of this. Worse yet it is proven that the bias of medical researchers tends to make them design research studies that will get them the results they expect to find - even in what looks like well designed studies this is true. Bias is huge. Bottom line is that climate science is really garbage science. Bias in their kind of research usually finds what they want to find. The bias these days is to blame humans for they changes they are measuring. There is zero proof for any conclusion. And lastly, always follow the money. Climate science has grown because of the fear and funding has increased. These guys are now getting the spot light. Their opinions are shaping public policy. Money, prestige and power are what drive corruption. Corrupt science is worthless.
@HotelPapa100
@HotelPapa100 5 жыл бұрын
Rubbish. They test their models agains things that actually happen. No chance to change the input, but still possible to see if the "naturally" ocurring inputs lead to outputs as predicted by the model. i.e. 36:54 But no inertia is greater than that of humans resisting to change their behaviour.
@Skousen77
@Skousen77 5 жыл бұрын
@@HotelPapa100 Well - that is right cheaters still cheat ... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNGFdNell9a8nJc.html
@hodgymac
@hodgymac 5 жыл бұрын
The graph he shows at 9 mins is not Met office data, as stated - it is NASA GISS data, (it says so on the Graph!!!)
@Neilhuny
@Neilhuny 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed it does, you are right. I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that the Met Office data has been combined with NASA data, GISS data, Australian data, Japanese data etc and that all of them agree the adjustments that have been made to create that graph.
@user-ef4yx3mu2q
@user-ef4yx3mu2q 4 жыл бұрын
video moment 27:58. How the amount of ice can be negative in 2100 ?
@davidseed2939
@davidseed2939 4 жыл бұрын
Ибрагим Иванов That’s not what the graph is saying. It’s saying that if current trends continue all the ice will be gone before 2100. But, it is understood that present trends will not continue linearly. It’s an indicator. Seasons, random effects, non-linearities, feedback effects, changing patterns of human behaviour will all influence what actually happens. One key point is that the shape of the graph shows that a similar projection made a few decades ago would have put the “ice free” date as 2200. That worries me, even though I won't live that long. It should concern you enough to take some action.
@bretthouser8330
@bretthouser8330 5 жыл бұрын
He is a professor of geometry. If you want to know about climate change you should consult an expert in climatology not mathematics. I would trust his judgement for geometry but it would be foolish to rely on him for climate change. He obviously does not have a very good understanding of the factors that affect climate. C02 has been as high as 8000 ppm in the last 600m years as facts show from the atmosphere trapped in the ice at the poles. 150 PPM or lower is fatel to living plants. The amount of ice in the glasures is affected by the orbit and tilt of the Earth as was first discovered by James Coroll and are known as the milankovich cycles. Check it out!
@brucefrykman8295
@brucefrykman8295 5 жыл бұрын
But mathematicians only understand math, physicists only understand physics, while chemists only understand chemistry and computer programmers only know programming In order to be a "climatologist" you need to know more about everything than anybody. I honestly don't know why we haven't introduced a motion in congress to declare them living Gods !
@philswift791
@philswift791 5 жыл бұрын
I am 54 I have not yet seen one of the models come close to predicting an outcome. I have however been treated to endless claims that the planet is dead or will be within 10 years oddly enough we are still here.
@wichitazen
@wichitazen 5 жыл бұрын
See you in ten years mate....and prepare to eat crow.
@allgoo1964
@allgoo1964 5 жыл бұрын
There's a difference between "scare mongering" and "reasonable warning". If someone tells you not to jump off from the top of 10 story building because you'll die is certainly not a scare mongering but a reality.
@dnboro
@dnboro 5 жыл бұрын
@Donald Kasper Do you have a hysterical fear of renewable energy and cheap electric vehicle transport? Why do you fear a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels?
@liner011f7
@liner011f7 5 жыл бұрын
It's more like stepping off of a curb. Man's contribution is very, very small.
@Ron_the_Skeptic
@Ron_the_Skeptic 5 жыл бұрын
@@dnboro, evidence indicates the earth has been warmer for most of Earth's existence. Why do you fear a warmer earth? Over time a warmer earth is inevitable. There is no long term solution to keeping southern Florida above water. Since CO2 is not the problem, removing it will not be the solution.
@palebluedot7435
@palebluedot7435 5 жыл бұрын
@@liner011f7 yes but it adds up How ling does it take a leak to fill a bucket A very long time But it will fill the bucket In this case a long time is a few hundred years and it started A few hundred years ago
@garygraham4679
@garygraham4679 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, nice try. This Butt kiss is trying to tell us a 10" mole hill is a 10 story building. Everything he has shown I have seen debunked by a number of different experts who ACTUALLY showed and explained their work- not some abstracts like this clown!
@PuddingXXL
@PuddingXXL 5 жыл бұрын
The problem I noticed in the comments is a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics as some kind of hacky-ball that predicts the future. Many statistics shown in this video that are based on "uncertain" data are the effects of multiple complicated huge models that all test the data that is put in through a multitude of variables and predict a PROBABILITY not a certainty. A trend if you will. A good example to grasp what that means is to look at normal distribution graphs. They do not represent the data that is put in but the probability of certain points of data to occur as a mean therefor showing trends and probabilities for different variables and events to happen. THESE ARE NOT DESCRIPTIVE STATISTCS!!! People often seem to confuse the descriptive statistic with Probability and coefficient statistic. I highly recommend catching a video about regression analysis and probability statistics.
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
"confuse the descriptive statistic with Probability and coefficient statistic." -- That doesn't even make since. Do you even know what a Probability or a Coefficient is?
@mgkos
@mgkos 5 жыл бұрын
Bad At Pseudoscience do you actually have a degree in higher mathematics, Calculus & Stats?
@grindupBaker
@grindupBaker 5 жыл бұрын
True but as far as Global Mean Surface Temperature (GMST) goes the increase in Global Mean Surface Temperature (GMST) since 1750 AD and the present commitment to warm is within 10% of the forcing theory though.
@PuddingXXL
@PuddingXXL 5 жыл бұрын
@@badatpseudoscience I know what you mean, I put both in a definition of statistics for the sake of a short comment. You are right though, these are factors within statistical analysis not "standalone" statistical models themselves. The coefficient is a good trend indicator as it is the sum of the discrepancies of the norm value thus it gives a good overview on the data available. Probability in this case means the divination between odds and probability. It describes a probable mean (probability) which has a relevant potential to occur (odds). This is a basic description but I hope it clarified what I meant to express. Edit: Search for "game-theory", there're lots of great tutorials or courses online!
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
@@mgkos computer science and physics
@edstud1
@edstud1 5 жыл бұрын
It seems to be getting warmer, what if anything can practically be done about it remains to be seen.
@jorgensenmj
@jorgensenmj 5 жыл бұрын
Wear less clothing.
@florin604
@florin604 5 жыл бұрын
Not another climate change doomer...
@turnerfamilyinozi
@turnerfamilyinozi 5 жыл бұрын
What is the cause of our present climate change?
@Eric-ye5yz
@Eric-ye5yz 5 жыл бұрын
You are in the minority, action is required, but some are too selfish to see that.
@robertjurjevic6580
@robertjurjevic6580 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video. Much appreciated.
@climateclimateclimate-kend2017
@climateclimateclimate-kend2017 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for what? Spreading lies, or is he just that stupid to be still in his kindergarten world, so what's his motive, as if we didn't know! like you, it's theft from the public purse.
@robertjurjevic6580
@robertjurjevic6580 5 жыл бұрын
@@climateclimateclimate-kend2017 "The truth is rarely pure and never simple." - Oscar Wilde ;)
@garyha2650
@garyha2650 3 жыл бұрын
Where can a species extinction model be found?
@kennethmuir7006
@kennethmuir7006 4 жыл бұрын
At 47.51 the Stefan-Boltzmann Law is used to get a mean earth temperature of 288 K. It is then argued that increased CO2 will decrease the emissivity, e, and raise the temperature. Perfectly reasonable. This point is developed at 50.22 where emissivities for various CO2 concentrations are given. However, e = 0.605 gives T = 288 K whereas the CO2 e-values are much lower; e.g. at 400 ppm CO2 e = 0.140 and this gives T = 415 K. So how are the original e = 0.605 and e(CO2) values related?
@emlillthings7914
@emlillthings7914 5 жыл бұрын
The willfully ignorant comments here are either made by the extremely ignorant, the cognitively impaired, or malign trolls. Make your pick, or maybe just throw a dice.
@Ree1981
@Ree1981 5 жыл бұрын
I think they're sent here.... look at the dislikes.
@Ian8008
@Ian8008 5 жыл бұрын
Oh dear - a lot of data missing here - he'll keep his job though.
@Tron-Jockey
@Tron-Jockey 5 жыл бұрын
Its like the data missing from the efforts to prove that the burning of fossil fuels are NOT causing any detrimental effects to the environment. Virtually all other industries are required to PROVE their products are safe for humans and or the environment before they're allowed to make them available. Why haven't the oil companies been required to prove their products do not cause detrimental health effects or damage to the environment? Considering the number of options we have for where we can go should the scientist's fears be proven valid wouldn't it make more sense to err on the side of caution?
@badatpseudoscience
@badatpseudoscience 5 жыл бұрын
You obvious have never scene data sets from the real world. This data is very detailed.
@coolworx
@coolworx 4 жыл бұрын
We can quibble over models and math, but at the end of the day, the biosphere that supports and allows everything that you love and hold dear is dying right in front of you. But by all means, keep quibbling.
@davemurphy2020
@davemurphy2020 4 жыл бұрын
Wrong. It's man kind that will perish eventually, the biosphere will carry on fine without us.
@cidsapient7154
@cidsapient7154 5 жыл бұрын
how do we know how accurate long term climate models are when the ones we use are less than 20 years old?
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 5 жыл бұрын
Well actually the models are closer to 40 years old, and we have a mountain of hard geological information collected over centuries that allows us to see the past climate states for 800,000 years. We run the models we have in thousands of scenarios, those that line up with past climate are the most accurate models which are used and new data is improving them every day. We drill a little deeper every day, and can see a little further back every day. What has become apparent, is that our models have been too conservative, not overblown. Real world observations Vs models. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7pdkrKknKeYj3U.html Results: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m96Idap53aeYcnk.html image.ibb.co/nMjyNK/extreme-weather-events.jpg
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 5 жыл бұрын
p.s. For an example of how our understanding of complexity improves over time, this can be seen in software & hardware. 40 years ago people were playing pac man.
@chetlund4465
@chetlund4465 5 жыл бұрын
Great lecture...As average (mean) temp increases, how does the variance (S^2) change ? How does this effect accuracy of prediction ?
@tedphillips2501
@tedphillips2501 5 жыл бұрын
First, I don't view this presentation as thorough as there is no uncertainty, which is also a characteristic of legitimate science, in the stated "data". As the accuracy of most thermometers is +/- 1 degree, the "data" has to be treated as uncertain and indeterminate. No matter which side you hear, none seems to consider the size of the human fire. The energy content of everything we burn, including uranium and the food we eat, ends up as heat. How much heat are we pumping into the system ? How much closer to the sun does this effectively make us ? How much energy are we pushing into the environment by replacing energy capturing plant life with the asphalt, concrete, and glass of our cities and suburbs ? Any takers ? Would make a heck of a graduate thesis.
@svenweihusen57
@svenweihusen57 5 жыл бұрын
The amount is nearly neglectable compared to the amount of energy the earth system receives by the sun. Even if we heat up some areas this extra heat would normally dissipate into space. The problem is that we are toying around with the greenhouse effect and that is changing things on a much larger scale.
@rndyh77
@rndyh77 5 жыл бұрын
This pisses me off. We should all probably stop driving our cars. No argument there. But why is a video produced in 2018 using storm data that stops in 2007? Do we not have the storm frequency data yet for the most recent 10 years? I'm guessing any weather service would have that data.
@ladyflibblesworth7282
@ladyflibblesworth7282 4 жыл бұрын
I will never forget last year where the BBC had the lady in charge of funding the NHS and she said "People don't just die from heat" She stated that the elderly need not avoid going outdoors in the extreme heat as long as they drink plenty of water and wear sun cream......Plastic was melting in my garden that day. Never seen it before, wondered what it was, tried to pick it up off the grass. My sons toy had melted and it burned quite a bit.
@9UaYXxB
@9UaYXxB 4 жыл бұрын
People do die of heat, this happens due to sun-stroke. Have you never taken a first aid course? You can drink till you can't possibly drink more and still overheat if your body can't eliminate heat as fast as the environment heats you. It's especially dangerous to be in too hot an environment if the humidity level is also high... why?... Because sweating becomes ineffective in eliminating heat from your body if the air is very humid. You are misconstruing whatever remarks the representative for the NHS made.. those are highly educated health professionals, they'd never make such a dangerous statement without qualifying it with necessary reservations.
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