Hey, loved the video (and all your stuff!) but I wanted to tell you about a lens you can view Secret Invasion through that you didn't touch on that might give a different perspective. To me, one of the things that the MCU Skrulls represent is the modern queer/transgender experience. Wanting to live openly in your own skin. Feeling betrayed by a government that promised safety decades ago but who ultimately wanted assimilation from the community rather than coexistence. Violent mistrust and reactionary violence. Younger members of the community wanting revolution and liberation while older members of the community who remember harder fights try and make peace and survive. Even the opening monologue of the series by Agent Prescod is exactly the sort of rhetoric that people use when talking about the "trans agenda", and the three specific countries that he mentions also happen to be three of the countries with the most pro-LGBT laws on the books, exactly the sort of thing that anti-trans activists would be afraid of happening "to a global superpower". Is it a perfect metaphor that tracks the whole way through? Not really, but only when it comes to Gravik going too far, but that's a complaint one can level in general to nearly all comic book properties. Kilmonger, Carli Morganthou, etc, people who were right and fighting for the right cause but doing so in a way that lets the heroes still be the good guys for stopping them. But outside of that, there are so many moments in the series that really resonated with me and the current climate around the world-at-large's views towards trans people. Just some food for thought, since you mentioned wanting to find more good about the show than you did, and I hope this will help. 💜

I just saw Guardians 3 a couple days ago. My god was it a good movie.

Agent of shield used a lot storylines right. And the being on the run and not knowing whom to trust isconsistent enough that the show got good at it. While being compelling. And that mld can have feelings after that sacrifice of one 😢.

I didn't watch Agents of Shield until the Final Season on 2020 and boy the LMD arc was one of the most scariest arc I ever watched in the show men. This and the Secret Invasion in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes were both GOAT

Very very true

I would say that a Skrull Loki, Moon Knight and Agatha would be far fetched because of their power and abilities but the other characters are fair game. Honestly seeing the characters with powers would honestly make the Skrulls want to take over earth more because of how powerful the beings that are on or come to earth are

Definitely seemed like they were starting to do that with the ending of FFH. Frankly, after revealing Nick and Maria as Skrulls, making Secret Invasion a single phase-long saga to bring the New Avengers together before Kang just seemed like the more obvious path to go down.

@@Im.myfuture you mean the ending of FFH, not NWH

@@mandalorianhunter1 Thanks for the correction

The biggest hump is to get somebody over watching that first season. There were so many episodes I thought were corny and dumb in season 1 that, once the whole twist goes down, hit *completely* different on a rewatch. Seriously, you'll notice so much rewatching season one and most of the sappy moments become actually kind of disturbing. It also made me laugh because I did think a certain character was way too willing to kill scores of people at a moment's notice, and after the twist, it's clear that was intentional.

​@@BlazingOwnagerI think it hurt way more after a relative corny getting to know the status quo to, hit.

My favorite live action marvel show

It lost me in its last two seasons, but all five of the first seasons are definitely top notch writing.

It was a shame they didn't share any of the infinity war plotlines, and therefore making it defunct :(

EMH was such a great series.

Osp did show how cap was off for a while and yeah was intentionally so. I steal that inhow well it pulled that off.

I'm so glad he joined the AoS crew! 😁

The Sousa thing is the main redeeming element of the last three seasons for me. His presence was welcome and the romance was pretty well done for the limited time they had.

@@defrostedrobot77Season 5 is a great season. I love it even more than the 4th season and 4 was great.

@@kennethsmith6367 I really dislike it i'm afraid. The pacing wasn't that strong, there was a lot of world-building and villain problems and a lot of the characters were severely damaged.

@@defrostedrobot77 I felt exactly the opposite, because if the characters were consistent then they couldn’t break the loop. Since the show indicated they had failed multiple times the inconsistency seemed appropriate to me.🤷🏾‍♂️ But that’s just a matter of taste and what I at least found entertaining.

I mean Kevin... what are you doing? Its not you're work... yes... but you can still profit of its characters and lore!

I also wonder if, at the same time, Marvel is taking advantage of the AoS fans in a way. I recall two seeming hints that there WOULD be a tie in to AoS in Secret Invasion, as everyone was suspecting this would be the time as Daisy is important to the original storyline from the comics I believe (I haven't read them, but it's what I keep hearing). One, I forget the exact thing, if it was a "previously on" type moment, a flashback, or just dialogue, they namecheck Coulson. Why? Why would you do that? Why was it important to mention him here unless you were going to do something with it? and Two, I believe in the Disney+ App, they show things that are recommended along with the thing you're about to watch. AoS was apparently featured on there. It's just incredibly frustrating. The writing on AoS was incredible, and it's so criminally underrated, and the writers even went as far as making it easy to tie in if the MCU at large wanted to... with the way the show ends. And I think there are tons of people that say AoS isn't canon, but then those who want it to be quote Kevin saying something about how everything is canon kinda (maybe explain it via multiverse hijinks). What more then to string us along? Ugh.

@@mydavegabicycle How did they deal with the Blip in AoS?

@@WanderTheNomad unfortunately that's sort of left up in the air. If I remember correctly, there was a reference to Thanos that wasn't "quite right", thanks to the MCU guys keeping the time jump under wraps so the writers just had no idea. It's literally a single line or two that could easily be stricken from the record 😅. However, the following season isn't clear when it starts. It could easily have been after Endgame as there are added cast members all very comfortable which show a good amount of time has passed, but none of the main cast are missing or worse for wear. The way the show ends puts some of the cast in specific places that could be easily slid into where some of the MCU has characters now without it being too weird. Also, a plot device from post-Endgame MCU is used towards the end of the series. If you are considering watching the show, just do it. Some of the best writing and one reactor I love who watches all manner of comic book media says it's the best comic book show out there. Even converted a friend who assumed it was garbage and he binged the whole series over like a week or something ridiculous :).

@@WanderTheNomad They don't deal with it at all. We know that the end of season 5 happens very shortly before the events of Infinity War, but season 6 starts off with no mention or apparent repercussions of it. It's plausible, though, that by the end of season 5, Agents of SHIELD doesn't exist in the same universe they started in. While never hinted at by the show, an argument could definitely be made that their reality branched off into one where Infinity War ended differently.

Early MCU was driven from the editorial side as a hail marry, having just barely starved off bankrupcy but still needing to find their next constant cash flow soon or else so a shot in the dark (well, not entirely dark, Blade, Spider-Man, the X-Men and even the first fantastic four gave did show some possible directions to take). Creatively, the company is rellying on the creators more exactly because all they have left are the franchises no one wanted to buy the rights for and some vague direction. Because things were not so shiny, the creatives who join tend to have a bit of a soft spot for the idea of superhero movies, or to be a wee bit too much in need of a breakthrough performance so they take it and try their best. Current MCU, from the management side, they want not to just keep the so far very successfull flow but also keep increasing it. Because that is the name of the capitalism game, you can't just be profitable, you need perpetual growth. Which means, they have peaked, and now they're delusionally fighting the innevitable downhill fight not with clever tactics you learn in high school level business class if you had those (i.e. you 'd have started a parallel product line a bit after your first which you hope to both surpass it and also peak by the time the first one is starting the downhill side of its product life curve, and repeat). Instead they're trying the doomed "just extend this peak into a plateau, maybe even make it go up and re-peak higher again!" route. And to make it worse, they're not as dependant (in their heads) on the passionate creatives, they've sales datas so they "understand what the public wants from our products". Meanwhile, there are other types of incentives for the creatives, such as just a fat paycheck and a lot of glamour and media buss. It is no longer a venue that sieves out lack of personal investment, and it is not like the aforementioned management would be capable of either weeding out those just materially interested or inspiring its creatives to aspire something besides glamour and the fat check. Once you put it all on the table, the math is pretty clear why A is so different from B, I say.

I miss Old Marvel TV before the movie division took over.

Yup everything with ghost rider, LMDS and the framework was awesome

Do you still think it’s worthwhile watching it nowadays?I know it included inhumans, life decoys and a few movie cameos?

@@Jkjazz123 i haven’t seen it since it aired but i definitely think it’s more than worth watching

@@NadeemShekh-uy9zn the twists, the turns, the characters all perfection

@@Jkjazz123personally I would recommend stopping at I think season 5 as then it just gets too ridiculous, and bloated.

Yeah, the show really took a while to get going, but 1x17 is just *chef's kiss* that episode made me stick around, and I'm glad I did. The show has flaws, lots of them, especially in Season 3, but its a really great show and deserves a lot of credit. Season 4 is the best, but Season 5 is great as well, and I found Seasons 6 and 7 pretty good too, with the finale being a good end to the show, even if I wasn't 100% sold on every single thing, but I loved it still. Agents of SHIELD is a great show, as are Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Punisher. None of the Disney+ shows compare to them.

and don’t even get me started on that amazing twist

Every time people forget about AOS, I die a little inside. It is SO GOOD, even the bad seasons are enjoyable because everyone is just acting their asses off and making it look effortless, I just love this damn team so damn much and it *kills* me that Feige craps all over it and won't just make it MCU canon. GIVE ME QUAKE ON THE BIG SCREEN PLZ. Give me Fitzsimmons! Give me Mack and May and even LMD Coulson if you gotta, but I want mah bebbehs to be acknowledged!

I am also a fan of AoS, as I always have been.

I always felt so bad for Piper's actress on Walking Dead. They made her character an obnoxious unlikable asshat that acted like a plank of wood, but having seen SHIELD, I knew it was the show and not the actress.

Oh god and fitz acting,you know later. That goes deep. Or how its used well to explore characters , even radcliff is likable. And has an arc,and tthat character gives ultron a run for his money. Perfect follow up to the build up that hits. Tobe clear all of the seriesis good, i but 4 till 6 are masterpieces.

I personally say the first 4 seasons are canon. You can make a case for the last 3 seasons not being canon, but the first 4 are too intertwined with the MCU. Especially seasons 1 and 2.

@@darksaint0124yup

Well it's on the marvel Disney app and it's been confirmed canon but I agree Peggy Carter and even inhumans is canon to me they brought back the actor who played black bolt in MOM

@@thepubknight6144 Feige has gone out of his way to say they're not canon.

⁠@@darksaint0124no he hasn’t, that’s not been confirmed yet, no article, no interview or anything that he has ever said that. It’s still not been addressed yet

yeah these 3 are all-timers for sure

AoS in general really needs a reevaluation. Season 1 started weak, in particular for the twist recontextualized the entire season and made a lot of the weak elements suddenly kind of awesome. But it forever set the tone of it being a 'lesser' show, when in reality, nearly every season ended up being great. It's move to multiple mini-seasons within a season was perfect, it was like back to back loosely interconnected miniseries, one after the other, and no story had any filler in it as a result. It really upped it's game to be a top tier Marvel show.

It's Legion season 1 for me, even though the TV series wasn't produced by Marvel

@@DizzyBusy Legion's first season was amazing, I won't lie. I need to rewatch that show, it was such a mind trip.

Srason pne was heldback by having to do episodes of the week episodes till civil war, and still was good. I honestly like to show the status quo that later is broken. The characters are starting basic, to give them depth later and have amazing character arcs. I didnt expect to like daisy at the start, but damn, i love her the most now. With others being great too, so high bar. Like yeah its basic at the start, but its a great foundation of the rest of the series, that builds on prior seasons later too. I cant imagine it not start somewhat chill to, go places. That makes it more felt.

And they had one season every year. Yes, seasons 6 & 7 were shorter, but they basically worked almost like 1 season with 26 episodes split into two.

Secret invasion could have been lessambitious

That’s not an excuse. They could’ve made it longer. They even had time to just make the six episodes more spy-like. Agents of shield did secret invasion 3 times and each time was better than secret invasion.

Right - that’s a great line, but that’s pretty much _all_ it is in the draft of the show we got.

This was a really good line! basically the only one, but I appreciated it!

Also so obvious, like duh. Why would you expect that it would be easier to change people's beliefs than to defeat some villain? Leftists are defending capitalist corporations and looking up to these corporations to provide them with proper representation to change people's minds, right wingers are talking about community to change people's minds; just to give small examples of deals with the devil people make to do this sort of thing.

I think the best part from Season 4 on is the way they did the miniseasons within a season. Season 4 was like 3 great seasons of a modern 8-episode TV show, back to back.

4 till 6. I will defend 6 in a really good season about grief and how its dealt with fantastic. And 5,ok i love the well done scifiplot that makes me not oike 7 as much and not like endgame. Beccause its well done.

Fitz-Simmons is peak character chemistry. It's rare that you see two actors/characters who play so perfectly off of each other every single time.

For me it was season 5 with season 4 coming as a very close second.

Season 3 is the best for me but S4 and S2 are tied for second.

just make sure you don’t take it anywhere where the presence of distinctive scents could pose a problem!

​@@PillarofGarbageThanks Ward... oh wait

​@@PillarofGarbage The best thing was Agents of shield had 5 great invasion arcs The AIM one you showed, Hydra, Inhumans, Tahiti/Kree , and The Darkhold arcs

Yep. It's a shame it basically got pushed out of the prime timeline, and they only started integrating stuff when the shows started sucking. Sad they never gave Quake a role in the greater MCU, too. They are always going on about wanting good female characters, while throwing one of their best away. What I think made her work so well was that she earned her place as an agent well *before* she got powers, it made an entirely different origin arc than I can recall seeing in live action before. Less "I got bit by a spider, then became a character" and more "I was a character who got bit by a spider."

​​​@@BlazingOwnageryep, i dont even say that the daisy we know has to be it. But a quake should at least be cameoed. Also simmons, also may, also mockingbird, even jojo. So manygood female characters. And aida gives ultron a run for his money. Rosalind is interesting. Hey victoria hand is atleast there and has a role. If short lived. A lot if good female characters. Like may and daisy are the heavy hitters.

What do you mean? 2017 was only 3 years ago…

It kind of sucks that it pretty much definitively got put in an alternate timeline after the snap didn't happen in the AoS universe, all because Marvel didn't tell the showrunners about it. It could have been the best post-snap thing. Seriously it's really crappy they told them the basic events of Infinity War but not the ending, screwing them over. That said, I think it's kind of for the best the show was it's own timeline. They wouldn't integrate any of the movie stuff and never had a cameo, and they shined brighter for it.

Like ds9 . And like ds9 its great. I just wish a version of daisy at least cameoed. A variant of daisy, do it cowards.

Definitely watch it. There is a reason people say secret invasion should’ve been agents of shield part 2. It has top character development, twists, and plotlines in marvel.

I’m not so against that ending beat as some people I’ve seen online, but I do agree with what Nando said in one of his videos - that it should have been a mid season development, not an ending one!

@@PillarofGarbage Same here, since nothing is done with the idea, except maybe getting the president out of office. Plus it is such a downer note to end the show on.

Maybe eventually!

Daisy is my favourite character in Agents of SHIELD

I didn’t even think of that. The best part is that SHIELD did MODOK in season 4 too.

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Same here!! I was shocked at how terribly Secret Invasion turned out, but it made me appreciate my favorite show so much more 😅. I hope AoS gets more love and views in the future!

I like what we got, but that sounds fun as well.

I was confused why Hall never became Graviton, just a part of him.

​@@Retro_RedThe actor was simply not super villain material. Having Talbot as Graviton was genius

@@JoseDanielLee-kz4ku The guy played Voldemort in Philosopher’s Stone, I think he could have pulled it off. Also, I really dislike how Talbot went out. Dude deserved better and he died a villain.

season 6 is amazing purely because of the fitz as a monkey scene