Llull worked for my Ancestors, James I of Aragon, and James II of Mallorca. Been reading about him since 2005.

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There is no path. Truth ( spiritual awakening) is a pathless land . J. Krishnamurti.

If there is a path, it seems clearly to be leading to a gateless gate.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM very true 😇🙏🍀

'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" -jesus christ

Thanks for being part of the mission to promote mental literacy!

Thanks for letting me know about your success. That's fantastic news and power to you for putting the techniques into action. What are you studying at university?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am studying anthropology all thanks to you!

Fantastic topic! Again, power to you and thanks for taking action with these techniques. I look forward to hearing from you again and hope you'll keep us all posted on your progress over the years to come.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes i definitely will, again thank you so much!

I have heard that there are quite a lot of streets, lanes, roads, etc. named after him. Any Memory Wheels around or street shields, etc.?

Cheers to the art of memory indeed. And many thanks as always for your endless support!

Glad you enjoy it! More coming... at some point soon.

Thanks so much for stopping by. The cosmological Bruno is also very interesting. i have a first draft done on a book tying those matters in Bruno to his memory teaching and other memory masters. Hopefully it will be ready early next year.

I have suggested having formal courses in these techniques, but it's not clear that many institutions are very inviting of the critical thinking boosts that come along with improved memory.

Thank you for the hedzup.@@AnthonyMetivierMMM

Very cool. I've heard this from others and sometimes use music like this myself. But it's much faster when the music is combined with a Memory Palace and Magnetic Imagery.

Methods like this work when you have a strong technique to codify and decodify, the same happens with the other methods which is why they take significant practice. If you already have this technique from previous expertise then of course it makes sense to use it. Pretty much every working system will have a basis on linking new data to prior knowledge/data and some technique to build the linking itself. The system is as good as you're able to recall the linking and hone out the technique.

Thanks for checking this out. Do you ever use memory techniques?

Thanks so much for your kind words. Am I lenient to mystics? I've always that I was perhaps too harsh. ;-)

I think most mystics in history had some profound knowledge they were teaching, mixed in with their own biased beliefs that often led to errors in how they thought their knowledge to their students. It's important to acknowledge the good they taught while calling out their flaws, as only that way can we actually work with the teachings in an intelligent fashion. So, I think lenience is being accepting of their teachings with a critical eye, harsh would be to cast everything down they ever said because of the beliefs they held. @@AnthonyMetivierMMM

And questioning the question of the question itself will hopefully arise soon too! :-)

Thanks for letting me know about this - very interesting for a Matteo Ricci project I've been loosely involved with.

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​@@AnthonyMetivierMMMHey, how do you do this?

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I had Dr. Sledge on to discuss the Ars Notaria here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ia91iteonaiRmmg.html

Compound effects are definitely real. The more you learn, the more you can learn.

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Many thanks. I did teach as a professor for ten years. But for some reason, reality made my the internet my university. It's been a blessing that so many people have been a part of it!

My pleasure. Have you come across the Memory Wheel concept before?

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Great that you're interested in Weber and thanks for reading TVM. I would suggest that you start with the memory instructions in TVM since you've got it. Then, if you want more, dive into the MMM Masterclass. Long story short: you can definitely start experiencing better memory in a variety of ways. But I'm always honored when people use and support the materials I've created to help people.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you for the answer Anthony. Have a great day.

Many thanks. Have you explored any kind of memory technique before?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM not for a very long time. I looked into some of Tony Robbins methods.

Interesting. I saw him speak once in Brisbane.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM my father bought the cassette series of mega memory but it was way over my head when I was that age.

I've never heard of Tony Robbins having any involvement with Mega Memory.

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How specifically do you know that the mental behaviors came after this experience, and how specifically do you know that it was an encounter with a god and not something else?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM You can watch the youtube video "Ramon Llull: Missionary, mystic and grandfather of computer science". There you have a biography. But long story short, it is very unreasonable that given his position and lifestyle he would do such an extraordinary change and such an work towards Christianity if it wasn't because of an encouter with Jesus Christ.

We can equally point to the unlikeliness of claims made about encounters with Christ.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM People do not suddenly change their life, mindset and risk their lifes, physical and economical safety for no good reason. Specially if they do so in a productive and constructive way, where the only "crazyness" stems from the clamis of the encounter that made them take such change. Same applies to the apostles. There is this book "The case for Christ" that is quite good describing the base of evidence for Christ from the Bible point of view. I'm a convert after 40 years of atheism. I am first and foremost skeptical and I came to realize people who meet Christ has this sudden effective, productive and constructive life change but are accused of being "crazy" just because they do so because of a claim of an encounter with Christ.

How specifically are you able to say this definitively about all people? I'm not accusing anyone of being crazy, for the record. But I am asking to be convinced why (or the book you cite) should be considered the arbiter of this matter. The Case for Christ is certainly an interesting and well-written book. The quality of its evidence is far from agreed upon, however. I have yet to see any good evidence at all, though I am very open to it. But the reality is that we're talking about Ramon Llull, and I will be surprised if you can meet the burden of evidence in the ways you are going about it so far. A rather more Christian attitude, it strikes me, would be much different, and that's part of the problem. There is no "one" Christianity, and few amongst its followers have anything like the myth of Christlike humility to simply admit that they do not and cannot validate their claims. Believe what you wish, but having a transformative experiment doesn't make events in the past true. And in case you're wondering, I've spoken to this issue in this TEDx about extraordinary spiritual experiences: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odykjM2V18-3oIE.html I'm not asking you to believe what I say, but if you consider it with basic human charity if "Christian" charity is on tap, I think you'll see that people do in fact change their lives and put themselves at great risk and economic safety. I do it every day and that TEDx Talk was delayed and I believe to this day is still "flagged." My work has effectively rendered me unhireable as well and whether we come to consensus or not, the evidence is fairly clear beyond my own experience that there are reasons to take risks, people do it often and there doesn't have to be an encounter with Christ behind it. There doesn't even have to be an encounter with the ineffable, as in my experience. The whole notion of being a "convert" to anything is itself suspect, and perhaps a topic for its own thread. But if you can stick to Ramon Llull and show me where in your reading of his texts there is meaningful, falsifiable evidence that any of what happened to him has any demonstrable tie to Christ, I'll be very interested in it. But it will still not be evidence for Christ in the same that my experience is not evidence for any special claim I might in the future make about my experiences. Hopefully I will remain in the current state of entertaining various ideas while maintaining basic skepticism and still enjoying the endless and wonderful dialectic and debate the Internet allows. And I hope more people will do the same over time and enjoy discussing these issues in good "faith." Thank you for your correspondence.

Freestyle rap is definitely something I want to look into. Some kind of mental repository of finals/suffixes would probably be useful for that.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM If you don't know who Harry Mack is, I advise you to start there. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLaWisyXvauthp8.htmlsi=YjMYoQCR3QIdqiDs

Thanks for that. I like Chris Turner too: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMqElM9-vNi1Z5c.html

Thanks for this. I have greater familiar with the Hebrew alphabet than the Kabbalah, but I think I've seen some of the images you mean. I'll look further into it.

Interesting. What is the desired outcome of using these keys?

Glad you enjoyed it! Are you using memory techniques or memory wheels yourself at the moment?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Hi, yes I use memory palace but I will also use memory wheel now.🤓

Fantastic. Please keep us posted on your progress!

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Thanks for stopping by. Are you using memory techniques yourself for any learning goals?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes I used the memory palace years ago. I also want to use the memory palace for my sales process. I work as a medicare sales rep.

That's great. I've helped lots of sales people over the years memorize scripts in part or whole, along with the names of parts where relevant to the process. It's a great technique for that.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am interested in working with u. I have so much respect for your work.

Thanks so much for your kind words. Always happy to work with people who love memory techniques, so dive in deeper into the MMM world any time. That will be great for one and all.

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Welcome aboard and interesting about corresponding wheels with natural laws. Please say more about this if you have a chance. What are some of the laws you categorize under Natural and how are you defining nature?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Here are a few examples. The first step is to see differently, and apply a little well-known Geometry, An Equilateral Triangle to systems of measurement. When you tessellate or tile the plane with Equilateral Triangles, you actually see that there are always a "Square" number of Total triangles in the field. Another way to understand this is to say, "The Successive Summation of ODD numbers, ALWAYS adds to a Square number. 1+3 = 4 = 2^2 or 1+3+5 = 9 = 3^2, and so on. The first 4 ODD numbers, when we add them together 1+3+5+7 = 4^2 = 16.... and on and on. The next step is to realize that ENERGY itself is a Shape, and that shape is an Equilateral Triangle. You can arrange and find patterns as they relate to the 1d, 2d, ad 3D forces, with Unidirectional Time being represented as a circle. That circle represents a Time measurement of Energy. So we draw Equilateral Triangles, with circumscribed circles to visually connect up Geometry as a Natural Expression of Energy to the Mathematics that we humans invent. This is a powerful Mnemonic device that allows me to carry all of Physics in my back pocket. Want more examples, check out the work of Arthur M. Young with his "Geomety of Meaning" and work on "The Reflexive Universe, Also Wayne Robers and his Scale Structure theory, or my favorite, the Study of TETRYONICS by Kelvin Abraham, who mentors me and others about the Equilateral Geomety of Energy itself. So difficult to use words, but when you start to draw the physical associations, you can see and easily memorize almost all the equations regarding Velocity, Acceleration, Linear Momentum, Total Energy, Frequency, Planck' Constant, Fermat's difference of two squares, Rydberg's Formula and so much more. All are described flawlessly using Circles with Equilateral Energy inscribed within the time-bound measurement of Energy, which equals mass... You can find much more on this type of work, and I'm extending it and connecting it with the work of Athanasius Kircher, who also identified the notion that "Triangles are Squares..." back in the 1600s. We've simply used actual squares, where if we really want to understand nature, Energy, and the Geometric nature of reality, we must use Equilateral Energy, Energy Tessellated to Tile the Plane...

Many thanks for expanding in such depth. I can't comment on how exactly I would approach memorizing these matters sight unseen. But with that caveat in mind, if the information is encoded in letters, numbers and by extension words, symbols and equations, all one needs is a few personalized memory systems. For graphs, charts, diagrams, etc. there are a few additional considerations, but they are not beyond anyone who develops the initial set of memory tools.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes, You would get much more out of the visual images. Geometry is king, Math is okay, English Sucks. There's a memory device called the Lukasa that clued me into the memory palace idea yeas ago. And seeing the way Arthur M Young created his system of remembering, and seeing those connect up with similar styles, it has really helped me to carry physics in my back pocket. I invite you to simply Google Tetryonics to see the Heirogliphic style images and how they isolate patterns and you can apply the quick math to whatever system you are take a snap shot of. Fascinating stuff! and oh sooo helpful.

Yes, I'm writing about the Lukasa now in part two of the Memory Detective series. I'll check out Arthur M Young in the meantime and Tetryonics. Thanks for mentioning them both.

Great that you've done something similar. When you say that your solution works, what specific outcomes have you created?

I sort news, politics and history in a ranked wheel internally where I categorize everything mentally by the source and context and plausibility The effect is I have a model of world history in my brain that covers almost all of human history including multiple versions of disputed events organized by a sort of abrogation The main effect is that It lets me dynamically adjust my understanding of history in a way that is never wrong or incomplete, just maintained in various degrees of resolution depending on my level of expertise and that understanding is able to be continually revised because everything new I learn is placed in the context of what I know

Interesting. My own practice often uses multiple lenses, often as if rolling a kaleidoscope. But it is scientific, which means it goes out of its way to prove itself wrong and incomplete. More on the importance of incompleteness (at least for me) here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMl9ZrlzydKtppc.html

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I like the phrase multiple lenses That’s pretty applicable to the purpose of remembering multiple perspectives of singular events

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes! That’s so important It’s a joy to discover something I’ve been wrong about, because I can update my mental model and other things down the line fall into place according to the adjusted chronological context

Thanks for asking about this. Given the stakes and importance of this goal, I would suggest investing in a business coach to help you work through these questions. 🙏

Some memory techniques suggest this and that can be an interpretation of the Memory Wheel. But it's possible to construct a Memory Wheel based entirely on things you already know, and it would be a stretch to say that an adult would have to remember what a wheel is in order to mentally place pre-known objects in a circular formation.

Sounds wonderful! How long ago was this? Do you remember from whence or whom you first learned about these techniques?

Be patient with yourself, and you'll get your memory access back . Just sounds like you need to start from scratch unfortunately , to overcome those traumas and rebuild your mental library. Namaste 💪😇🙏

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I started practicing self exploration at a young age, I was probably six when I started constructing my "inner castle," so it's hard to pinpoint when I started that particular technique. As I grew so did my internal practice, I'm sure that I picked things up along the way from people in my circle, mystics tend to run with mystics in my experience, but it wasn't until my twenties that these practices began to receive names. I decided to train Jiu-Jitsu when I was twenty-seven and I was introduced to a wonderful community of people that were open to the ideas and concepts, and in many cases practitioners. It was a training partner that encouraged me to cut the "silver chord" and cross the perceived void at the edges of my awareness. This was what ultimately lead to the traumas, that to me hold great archetypal symbolism and allowed me to question the unquestionable, leading to the ecstasies and long dark night the mystics wrote about. After seven years of what I describe as an existential crisis I came out on the other side. It may seem silly but I think that some of the things I held dear as a child were my teachers. My inner castle was modeled after greyskull in He-Man and I learned contemplation on a skateboard, I learned "secret" stories of the struggle between light and dark from the neck of my guitar, and I learned how to really listen in the tops of oak trees and the cycles of life by observing annuals and perennials. So I guess a cartoon, some toys, and the earth were my teachers. Studies of interest were language, philosophy, religion, and physics, but I didn't delve into these until after my fall. I do remember that before I hung myself (by my leg) I had a great sense of urgency to be sure that my mental compartments were organized, so I was going through all of them, organizing my thoughts and knowledge, when I closed the last drawer I saw the full picture of everything I had accumulated at that point. Then the entire construct folded into itself until it was a floating dot, like a singularity centered in the circle and disappeared. Not long after I slipped on an ice patch in the top of a tree and was hung by my right foot. When I came to, it was different. I was different? There was change. It was beautiful, it still is I think. Before the fall I would say that beauty lies in impermanence, I still think that's true. Now when I need to remember there's the one drawer, filled with impermeable darkness, and I stare into that darkness until something escapes, sometimes it's the information I was waiting for, others it just remembering that I'm blessed to walk this path with the people that sometimes walk it with me. Thanks for reading and replying, it's nice to know that there's an actual human on the other end of the comment.

Sounds like you are in tune with the ancient wisdom that the all is in the all. Hopefully there won't be any further slips and falls, though. I'm aching now from the many skateboard accidents of my youth.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM that's one of my favorites. Very few writings speak so plainly as the Corpus and related texts. I'll never forget where I was when they found me. It's funny how those spills stay with us, when I go skate these days I try to channel more Mullen than Hawk.

What do you mean when you say that French is not phonetic? I personally try to make sure my mnemonics cover both sound and meaning at the same time. It's not always possible, and in these cases, it's just a matter or taking a second path.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you for taking your time to answer. What I mean by a non-phonetic language is a language that is pronounced differently from how it's written. For example the word beaucoup is pronounced boh-koo with a silent p. That's why I say French is a non-phonetic language because the pronunciation of this word does not directly correspond to its spelling.

Thanks for expanding. Certainly one can use terms like this in private use, but I would not say French is non-phonetic on this accord. In fact, we could just as easily call it hyper-phonetic in this regard. If you look into consonant initials and finals, you will quickly see why I suggest this alternative possibility. In all things, memory techniques aren't particularly hindered by these matters. It's just a matter of making sure that you learn how to use them effectively so you can move into efficiency. I didn't cover the memory wheels for language learning in this particular video, but from what I've seen so far, they are still there, but have been transported more to linear tables. This shift possibly comes from the influence of Petrus Ramus, but Im not yet entirely sure. Much more research needs to be done.

Nothing will help more than dictation practices. DW has a lot of documentaries in other language. Try to mentally visualize what you think, it will help you get to a point where you can visually glide across the words through practice.

That’s cool. Do you have a pinyin Memory Wheel? 🧲

Well in my minds eye yes. I am working on it ,I envision a quad with 4 categories yet to be determined probably Food -Names- Animals- Health just all in its infancy right now@@AnthonyMetivierMMM

You raise an interesting idea. One could have a 4-wheel Memory Wheel, one for each of the tones. With a clock like structure, it would be reasonable to have 12 words in each Memory Wheel and go through them that way. Or perhaps simpler would be 4x4, one for each cardinal direction.

Interleaving is one powerful way to stay sane while learning multiple topics. I’ve got a video about it on this channel. Using the Memory Palace technique has itself been shown to keep sane. See Dr. Tim Dalgleish’s research, for example. 🙏

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you sir. Checking it out now. You will have played such a major role in my becoming a master of my craft.

Thanks for being part of the mission and for taking action with these techniques. Stasis conceals, action reveals! :-)

In Bruno's books, he is usually called Lully, which could mean he meant to pronounce it "Ewey," based on the Spanish double-L. I decided to skip these matters to avoid bogging down the video, but apparently there are streets in Spanish speaking countries named after him and I've heard they pronounce them more like "ewe."

Cool! Any particular goal in mind?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM the intended purpose is basically like an alchemical compendium/ search engine. So far I've mapped out the sun's passage through the ecliptic aswell as pi and some other things. I've had some interesting results experimenting with the wheel itself

Sounds interesting!

Thanks for your post about this. 1. Using memory techniques usually makes it possible to be interested in things, even if they are not interesting. 2. What issues are you having with reading? 3. Use well-formed Memory Palaces. Hope this helps you out!

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM my problem is i forgot sections number associated with concepts or confused among numbers as we have to learn 20 subjects on law which all having same serial number/ section number starting from 1 so its very different to hold say subject 'A' section 45 as subject 'B', 'C'... to 'M' having same numbers including 45 so confusing to recall which concept from which subject on that particular section number.

Sounds like you need a Magnetic Number System.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM what it is?

@@sharma3226man, do some work yourself

Potentially. In a forthcoming book, I'll be showing how people in the past have used it for language learning. But only very briefly as we now have more refined ways to use memory techniques for helping boost fluency.

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There are many studies like this, but general memory boosts are different than superior memorization outcomes. For that, we need mnemonics. 🙏

Is it possible there are other reasons you are tired?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I don't know. maybe I am training on a huge load of mnemonics daily (on average 256 mnemonics daily) and maybe because I am new to this field and didn't adapt enough with it

I would suggest looking much further into your lifestyle than that.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM my life style? like what?

This question is covered in full in The Victorious Mind. Have you given it a read?

In which respect?

Is it memory palace used by occultists. Or it was developed to be used as one? Would like to know of your reasearch about tarot and curious if you practice tarot

I don't know if any occultists have used the Tarot in this way, but that is a possible use of the technique. I own a Tarot de Marseille deck for a special reason, and I'm sure you'll understand when I tell you that I keep some things to myself. But rest assured that my thoughts about this topic are not particularly interesting or useful.

Thank you Anthony much appreciated 🙏

My pleasure - and now that I think of it, one fun little memory: I once saw the legendary Alejandro Jodorowsky give some readings while chaperoning him during a film festival. This was before my memory days, but his extraordinary memory was certainly assisted by his training in the theatre and cinematic arts.

Please say more. I've memorized quite a bit of Sanskrit, as you can see here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ec1-hJyTupPSdZs.html

That is an interesting idea. If it's true, I wonder what knowledge DNA would find necessary to lock away and why?

Thanks for this. I presented the Memory Wheel in this video based on how it may have been used. For speeches, I would not use a Memory Wheel myself. Here's how I memorized my TEDx Talk: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/naimfql6nKfQfHk.html Does this tutorial help you out?

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Hi, thanks for reply. I am little bit confused about for what I should use memory wheel exactly. Could you please clarify and also I wanna know do we need to create memory wheel on paper also or directly in mind only?

You can do either or both. If you search the word "Volvelle" there are many examples of paper Memory Wheels. You can read Bruno's commentaries on Llull and Llull himself for ideas on what to do. I shared the main idea that I've used them for, which is essentially the W.R.A.P. As mentioned in the video, I don't use them for generating mnemonics as I believe Bruno did, but I can definitely see how that would be useful. I also don't use them as Memory Palaces, but that too could be something worth exploring.

Llull was a Christian apologist. Averroism can mean different things, but in one of the major senses, it leans towards atheism. You can see its influence in Spinoza, for example, or at least some scholars think. I'm aware of no formal tradition of it in the Muslim world, but it's possible there was one.

What do you like about it?

In the original edit, I mentioned this. Bruno sometimes calls him Lully, though, and I don’t think he would have pronounced it ewey.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM no worries, a totally minor detail. Glad I stumbled on your channel btw, phenomenal content

Have you done that? If so, what happened as a result?

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Thanks for your post and for joining us. I hear what you're saying, but if you spend enough time on this channel, we are far beyond binary comparisons, even if we sometimes use this or that image in this or that video. Please see: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMl9ZrlzydKtppc.html TLDR; the notion of "binary" appears in consciousness. There is only such a thing when the witness wants to make it a thing. There is nothing demeaning in my intention, nor the fantasy of separation between human, machine or even the term human and the thing using such terms. Pure immanence is the clavis magna in this approach to memory.

You obviously haven’t been out much. Most of the country thinks Cardi B is an artist, made a movie about a make believe plastic Schrödinger feminist doll number 1 in the country, don’t know what a women is, and can’t tell you what oceans are on the US East and West coast. A computer virus would be more fitting for this dumbed down group think idiocracy unable to think freely led by group think.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you very much, I'll go watch the video that you linked!

I think the computer both hardware and software is designed around the model of a human being software being a replication of the mind. And hardware being a representation of the body. We're just mimmiking nature that's where all our inspiration comes from, it's lacking heart and soul though

To mimic nature would suggest that we are somehow divided from it. I'm not sure that we are, nor that our mimicry of many things has nearly as much to do with us as it has to do with evolutionary forces stemming from what we call "nature." The seduction is to think that the fact we call things by names is somehow a sign of our division from nature, but leaving marks in space is hardly unique to us, even if our ways of territorializing space with sounds and symbols appears more "advanced."

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Some practitioners of the wheel would automatically have each letter already coded to numbers via the Gematria. Moat of us who use memory techniques will have at least a partial alphanumeric coding system, usually using the Major.

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​@@AnthonyMetivierMMMThat you can Remember Everything in the world

I talk about this possibility and what it probably entails here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMl9ZrlzydKtppc.html

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Sorry if the link didn't show up as it should have. Here it is: www.magneticmemorymethod.com/lom Hope to see you there and please let me know if you have any questions between now and then.

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Memory Wheels do matter for several reasons and I talk about the use and abuse d that quote you’re attributed to what appears to the wrong person in The Victorious Mind. I would echo you and say it’s funny how many people pass judgment over nothing on the Internet, but there’s actually two more things about snark that are much funnier. Can you guess what they are?

. He teaches methods to memorize “what is dear to you”. It is your own task to know what is dear to you.

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Not a problem. Covered that in this TEDx: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odykjM2V18-3oIE.html Better than forgetting, actually, but your mileage may vary.

@@AnthonyMetivierMMM so I was making a joke but the truth is a lot of cognitive problems come from all the work we put into supressing childhood trauma just like how all the muscles around a cramp get inflamed frying to compensate

Yes, this is why well-formed psychoanalysis is of tremendous value.

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Why what?

Interesting claim. How do you go about validating it?

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