yeah 100%. this is way more interesting than another truck or SUV. i like this, it's definitely cool

True. Quirky cars made this channel. Stopping these videos to film more new cars would be like Porsche discontinuing the 911 because they sell more Cayennes

i absolutely agree!

I’m sure he will get a great price on cars and bids to help compensate! Best of both worlds for Doug, review stuff that you care about and diminish the financial losses on YT.

For real, I'd rather watch a review of an old Saab than the newest most-limited-edition $3M Lamboclarenarri.

I second that emotion!! If ever there were two cars that looked perfect from the getgo it's those two

Hahaha, dude, I just dropped the same comment. Two bad ass V-8 cruisers.

Had an Impala SS; was underpowered with the engine I had though.

@@malachiwhite356 yeah, I would definitely want an LS upgrade

Same here.

Excellent, so glad you realize what you have there. I have photos that I took at a local Merc. dealer when your car was introduced! Also, I bought my 1997 SHO 22 years ago, It has been in storage since 1999 To this day, still looks like a 2 year old used car ((O:

Does anyone ever notice or ask you about it?

@@AlexGray It used to just be older guys that noticed but as the years went by alot of younger people started owning them in my area. Surprisingly, people love to see it when I take it to shows. Lots of thumbs up driving around on the streets of SF too.

If somebody gave me a choice of either a Ferrari or any car on the ford panther platform, I would take the latter any day

I get asked if it’s for sale every time I go to the gas station

I loved that feature so much when I had mine.

@@4sd4d It seriously came in handy for me, considering my windows were insanely tinted. Lol

....and that FULLY boxed frame !!

I love cornering lights!

I agree. It's a very thoughtful and practical feature. I don't normally use my signals in my neighborhood if there's no one in front of me or behind me, but I'll use them at night in case there's a small obstacle I want to avoid. A quirk of the corning lights is that you can illuminate them without actually initiating the turn signal. If you push the signal lever up or down ever so slightly, you can make only the light come on without the signal. I don't think it's intended to be used that way because it's kinda difficult to do. I'm surprised Doug didn't mention the cornering lights in this video, because he did mention them in his Lincoln Town Car video from 2019, and was very complimentary about them.

Location?...is she interested in selling?

hang on to it....they don't make "real" cars anymore

Going to be worth a bag soon

Dave would she be interested in selling?

Don't sell it!! Keep it as long as possible!! She has to be getting all kinds offers for it!! I own a 2005 Grand Marquis LS Premium, with every option. It's in excellent condition and I get offers for it.

Were both versions of the jacket made in China like the one in the video?

I love this car I drove it when I was in my early 2O’s a burn out loose control cool

6:42

The Crown Vic had side bolstering? Never noticed that!

@@MMM18092 I was just going to make a comment to this effect, lol. Some is in fact more than none at all, but implying that the Vic had any is wishful at best and lying at worst, lmfao.

I'm surprised they bothered, but I also think it's kind of nice. I've had a couple of cars with multiple clocks that never agreed; it was maddening.

2004's though did have that option and ability restored since it is only the 2003's that have the stand alone central clock.

Heh, I had a black Crown Vic at around the same time, but it was an '89, so it wasn't fooling anybody. :)

I have an 07 MGM with blacked out chrome, grey paint, that looks similar to some of the unmarked CVPI's that are still on use. It gets kinda annoying when people slow down to a crawl in front of me, but is hilariously entertaining driving down any street in LA on the way to work and watching the groups of tweakers pop their heads up like meerkats with a predator approaching on the Discovery Channel, LOL!

Did his windscreen insurance cover bullet holes?

People only buy really expensive car’s to show off to others. A car is car, just gets you were you need to go.

@@bman_dc, Not everyone is into the same type of cars and not everyone wants cars to get from point a to b.

Shame the blues are gone!

Interesting fact: they only made Blue Marauders in 2003, and Reds only in 2004.

Same here, I so clearly remember sitting in one in the dealer showroom, then getting my heart ripped out at the last second when I was told “I was nuts to think this was ok for me” right as we had sat down to go over paperwork for the sale. 🥺🥺🥺🥺 I definitely still want one!

you owned FOUR???? im so jealous

i will never understand why people sell cars because their girls want it gone.

At how many mile did your fuel pump fail? I’m still on my original at 193,000 miles

Yeah, hard not to like the old full size american cars. My first newer car was a 78 Buick Riviera. It was the last year of the large rwd Rivieras and was only 3 years old when I bought it. One of my favorite cars to have owned.

Facts

You mean panther platform cars That’s true. Most exotic car owners just keeps them in the garage because it appreciates in value. In the future some greedy loser is gonna auction off a 458 spider for a million dollars because it’s the last NA Ferrari. And also it’s a lot more common to see this on hypercar owners. They barely take it out in the track

Just cut the coils. 🚗💨💨💨

Buley auto is the type of guy to use gender pronouns for cars

@@drippgxd in the grand American tradition of doing so, yes.

@@buleyauto so if you have have Twitter do you put he/him in your bio?

Always liked these sir. Either it was the cops or a marauder behind me. You are lucky to own one.

@@drippgxd hell no. And the tradition of calling old cars “she” predates gender pronoun madness by 100 years. I think you’re misunderstanding.

How's the maintenance cost, if you don't mind me asking?

@@volcan8778 it’s pretty cheap because they share a lot of parts with the other panther cars

OMG, you're kidding. Detroit isn't that bad. Come visit sometime. You'd be enlightened on these things you've never heard of. This car is a very bad reincarnation of the REAL Mercury Marauder of the 70s.

my Marquis has the air suspension, when I went to buy one I wanted to avoid it for repair costs, but ended up finding one with it anways; I learned that it's worth it because it's pretty reliable and cheapish to fix anyways, but it COMPLETELY changes these cars.

I'm not sure what you mean changed the suspension and shit. The Grand Marquis had soft suspension. Which of course was shit, unless you want to feel like you're always sailing the high seas. Did you mean longer lasting parts? Air suspension is soft. That said. I own one, and it's an absolute joy whipping it around like it's a smaller car. One more thing, for however large they are, the backseat foot room is tiny. Unless you have the stretched wheelbase one like I believe the cabs and Town cars were. Very long, very wide car, but front to back interior is really not that big.

@@pgtmr2713 Nah I mean that the ride and handling is pretty different compared to the regular shocks. It's more taught in the rear, less rebound. Feels better damped too. Still boatyard much much more composed

@@a.kblur04 Yeah you can find new airbags for less then $100.

They all had a rear air suspension. All of the panther cars. The navigators also have rear air.

Oh yeah, I love the shape of the 1970 Marauder’s front! And those vacuum (?) powered rotating headlight covers! Mmm, tasty. And sinister.

I'm not certain that the 18-inch wheel issue has anything to do with the depth of the spare tire in the trunk, since the aspect of the tires is lower on those wheels and hence the outside diameter probably pretty close to the same. It would have to be to avoid having to recalibrate the speedometer gearing as well, and possibly the rear end ratio. In practice, though, a lot of those cars had radios up on that shelf, so there wasn't any place to put the tire up there, and they probably put it down in the well, though I've never actually looked in the trunk of a cvpi.

Thank you, though, for confirming that the vintage of that logo is that of the original Marauder.

@@baylinkdashyt Oh, it goes back farther than that--it's the original Mercury logo from the 1930s. It was a "retro" touch even on the 1960s versions.

@@baylinkdashyt I have an 08 Crown Victoria police interceptor, the trunks is exactly the same. That is the correct placement of the spare tire. The older Crown Victoria's had 16in wheels and the newer ones like mine have 17in wheels.

That is awesome! Love sleeper 4doors and wagons

as a bonus, better weight distribution. more weight toward the center 😜😛

Yes this location makes more sense than in any other car. Maybe some cars that had a spare under the hood on the engine (not good for temperature for rubber tire) or in front (back engine ones) or on rear tailgate (4x4 usually).... But easy to get, don't have to unload everything from the trunk-- and tire usually pops under heavy load like towing a trailer or with a trunk full of stuff and rear passangers. Modern cars ?? They rarely even have a spare.

There is room for 2 full size spares without impeeding trunk space. Another tire also fits on the right side

I get stopped everywhere I go in mine it’s crazy. People who know what they are always want to ask me about it or try to buy it lol

@@williamgray9070 I've had mine since 2010 and have been approached exactly twice. I wonder if it's because mine's all the way stock and not black?

@@dookmaddock1221 Mine is totally stock Other than my exhaust and it’s a DTR what color is yours

@@williamgray9070 blue.

@@dookmaddock1221 I’m jealous lol

At least point out the stand out categories.

I miss them too, but since he did way too many cars that had them, he couldn't find any to do the categories for and then sadly, the DougScore categories unfortunately got cut short.

True. I think he did them for just the weekday reviews and skipped it for the 'more doug' uploads. But I appreciated the score breakdowns on every car, would be nice to have them back

Or at least have a behind the scene of it.

You are one of the few. Most of the viewers skipped that part hence he stopped doing it.

Correct. For the last couple years of production, there was a package for the Vic that had the floor shift and tach.

Yea I was hoping someone else noticed that lol

Doug makes shit up on every car. Someone should tell him about google

also gmq lse’s had em

God bless you :)

You really go through the whole video for the sole purpose of posting this before even watching it? It’s been up for 7 minutes 😂

Thanks bro 😎 🤙🏾

19:57 Lucifer's Pizza

@@rush-zh5dc clowns

My mom had a Lincoln Aviator with the same 32 valve 4.6L V8 and it was a fast Ford Explorer basically

The Lincoln had AWD and IRS…

@@benjaminlibertarianscorpio the bottom end of the motors weren't forged like the Cobra ran so you could only safely build them to about 475 HP. However, my Mach 1 with a 4.10 gear and still Naturally Aspirated was a monster out of the hole by 2004 standards.

@@drdeath5724 then against the old LS1s were around by then and so was the Terminator.

@@drdeath5724 The manual Mach 1's had forged cranks, the automatics did not, which is one of the reasons for the discrepancies in the redline between the manual and automatic Mach 1's. The Marauder got the cast crank version.

You had a pretty great first car!

You accomplished what I dreamed of doing! I had one offered to me but didn't have my license or enough money at the time. Glad you had the opportunity to do that, love the story. I still went the boat route though with getting a 10th gen Impala as my second car - glad I did, but still think about what could have been if I found a Marauder.

I recently supercharged mine. Did a large video on how I did it. I love these cars

I hope you can find one bro. The panther platform is awesome. I have an 03 grand Marquis and I've upgraded the suspension front and back and also installed the Marauder dual exhaust.

@@mr.e8543 That's funny, the guy who bought mine had plans to do the same! He was going to fully rebuild the engine and supercharge it, I really hope he went through with it. I'd like to see my old marauder doing what they always should've been able to do.

Wrong, that thing was bone stock.

@@Everythingisgoingtobealright 😏😏

@@Everythingisgoingtobealright AC worked awesome though

Supercharged mine. Posted a vid on this KZfaq on what and how I did it. She's a real sleeper. Down to stock exhaust

Can you mess with the transmission regulator in order for the car to hold up the shifts longer? The MPG will be trashed though, I think. Also, is a manual conversion a reality with these cars at all? I swapped the 4 speed on my 325i and it definitely makes the car a lot more fun to drive.

@@JuanCarlosLTO you might be able too but honestly most people just get a tune that will just change when the computer says to shift. Thats one of the things that I want to look into eventually. And manual swaps are relatively easy in these cars with the only challenge just being to run a clutch pedal and cable since the panther platform was never offered as such. Seen it done on crown vics a handful of times. The marauder would be difficult to make the shifter look clean with the center console but man would I love to make this car a 5 speed.

Will changing the final drive ratio help? Shorter gearing might make it more spirited while still keeping it a slushmatic. It does have the classic 1-2 before D on gear stick so that helps. 4th gear cruising revs might get higher though, slightly worse for fuel economy but it is one way to make it a more exciting drive.

@@aaryeshg.6526 Oh yeah definitely. I believe these are factory 3.55 but a 3.73 or 4.10 would be fantastic

you can get aftermarket paddle shifter now

Agreed

I have 2 CVPIs right now! 2003 & 2010 & I love them like a child!!! 🖤🖤🖤

I love these last gen Panthers, owned several, but yes, the shift points on these transmissions are horrible for sure, even with the OD and traction control off. But, there are 4 different remedies that make a night and day difference! I drive winding canyon roads in my 07 MGM as part of my daily commute. The first year I owned the car, shifting through corners was always sluggish, and the car could never find the right gear, and would hunt between gears until I really stood on the pedal. Even then then, there was a long delay for the downshift. The cheapest and most fun remedy are are plug and play can bus paddle shifters! Plug the wireless dongle into the OBD2 port under the dash, and mount the paddles on the steering wheel. These things are a BLAST, and you can manually shift and delay gears as needed, or turn them off to go back to automatic. 300-ish bucks from Can-Shift. Second remedy is a rear end gear swap to a taller gear, fairly easy and inexpensive to do. Adds a lot of pep and helps a bit with the shift points, but MPG will suffer depending on the gear ratio choice. Might as well install a limited slip differential while in there! Next is the infamous famous J-mod. Requires opening the fluid ports in the pressure plate, or purchasing a kit with the holes already resized. Its expensive, and a pain to do, but it puts the shift points in a MUCH better place in the power curve, and the shifts are firm and solid. Lastly, the ultimate MUST DO for a Panther is the famous Marty Tune. Its the easiest and most effective performance upgrade to any Panther. Marty Ochs at MO's Speed Shop is the ultimate authority on these cars, and loads custom tunes onto an SCT tuner that you plug into your OBD2 port. The re-tune will give you much improved throttle response, better shift points, slight increase in HP and and a very noticeable improvement that feels like a different car. My current MGM LS has the 92 octane performance tune and 355 rear gears with limited slip diff, and takes the canyon uphill corners perfectly without hesitation in shifting, and has a LOT more get-up and go, and is really fun to drive now. Both mods cost about $900, and worth every penny. The Marty Tune was around $500, most of that price is the SCT Tuner unit he ships with the installed tune, which you keep. Not affiliated with MO's in any way, but a Marty tune is a must for any Panther platform car, hands down!

3 speed?

@@ezioassassain It’s a three speed with an OD. So four total gears but only the bottom three are for acceleration, with third being 1:1. The Overdrive gear is like 0.70 or something. It’s nuts. You ain’t accelerating shit with that. It’s just for highway cruising.

I have a CVPI and at the moment I have 3 neutrals, only second and third gear work at the moment, about to manual swap it hoping it makes it more fun

That's awesome and enjoy mam

Let’s put more electronic junk rather than relatability . That’s why modern cars are junk

I was thinking the same thing when he said that. There's not really anything wrong with the placement in this car. Actually looks like a holdover from the '70s fullsize Ford platform (think Marquis and LTD). Those had the tire up on a shelf like this as well, but since they were bigger cars, the shelf was deeper and the tire didn't stick out nearly as far. The trunk was shaped like this in Fords to allow the gas tank to sit under that tire shelf. This meant a deeper trunk closer to the rear (for easier access) and better crash protection for the gas tank.

Or force you to pay for a spare and jack as on "option"

Unfortunately they are still dummy gauges. They are obviously great autometer gauges but they still use the factory oil pressure and voltage sensors and so are essentially dummy gauges. Oil will always read 70psi and voltage at 13 volts. The sensors can be easily switched out if you want a live read out and I plan to do that with my marauder here at some point.

The gauges were definitely customized for Ford. The oil gauge is designed to point at a fixed number, and cannot be modified to indicate a varying value. At best, the gauge face can be swapped into a real gauge, with some effort. The voltmeter has a Ford connector on it, and is somewhat accurate, though nothing special.

@@Mach_Style nah the voltmeter works and the earlier Marauder oil pressure gauges did work but were replaced with dummies later

@@xsi1verxbulletxno.288 I have an early 03 marauder and they both act as dummies, and according to the forums, even the 04s act as dummies

Only 06+

@@Red84GT Thanks, I wasn’t sure which years started using them.

Relatively easy to do.

There was 13 or so made for bondurant driving school.

Why don’t you bid on it since it’s on cars and bids

I saw a great black cherry 🍒 style 1996 Impala SS. Great shape. Longwood Florida. ☀️. I own a black Ford Crown Victoria LX sport sedan. 177000mi.

Don’t forget a J-mod to liven up the transmission

The 2003 Mercury Mountaineer's also had this, they're definitely quirky but quite convenient

My Daily is a 2012 Avalon limited and it has the climate controls too. No fan but temp and “auto”. It’s super convenient.

Also 3rd gen Prius

My town car had climate controls on the wheel

I so wish more modern cars have this. I try to make this point to automotive interior designers/engineers whenever I meet them.

Nah just needed the supercharger from the factory and a manual trans

why would you need a v10 on a taxi car?

Actually, this car was supposed to be the Ford Crown Victoria Sport Sedan. That's why the Ford rear styling. The intended Marauder was to have the bigger engine and Mercury rear styling.

Always thought the Crown vic should've got the 5.4 instead of 4.6 its a big heavy car the 4.6 is a great engine and its tried and true but it's underpowered for the full size sedans. Ok for the mustangs but not the panthers

@@alfonsomartinez7919 The Marauder was not a "taxi car", it was supposed to be a performance sedan like the Impala SS, and would have been if it had the 5.4 332 engine as was originally intended. You can thank CAFE for that.

My 03 marauder is overheating at Firestone the 4th time in 4 weeks..they say the upper hose is no longer made but can’t a mustang or ltd hose work?? Please help

I love the Ford cars with bench seats up front. Grand Marquis, crown Vic, even the smaller Taurus and Sable.

Plymouth breeze

Finding one in good condition with minimal modification is going to be the determining factor.

Or a stratus

Almost all of the first-gen Intrepids are gone. Pieces of junk. (My dad owned one) I’d be shocked if Doug found one in even remotely reviewable shape.

That’s awesome! Do you still own it?

@@ojsimpson9516 I sure do, has over 280,000 miles on it.

Yeah a lot of new cars do seem pretty "cold" and just not very "homey"

Well yeah, considering the scoring also includes Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Paganis, etc...6 is really good. I'm pretty sure 7 is the highest Styling score he's given to any 4-door car.

Nostalgic? You must be super young

came here to say the same thing. it bugged me a little when he said that.