lmao same thought

But also the most true sentence

lol

xD

He meant all of the people he killed in the desert could be good people

hes the embodiment of a kid named finger

@kid named finger oh my god its him.

@kid named finger kid named teacher:

Except nacho

As long as you're not on his way, Mike won't harm you and may even help you. He's not a sadistic irrationnal killer. But he's still dangerous.

Finger made A LOT of money in his time, and he was 100% knowledgeable on what happens to the money if things went south, finger was a meticulous man does anybody really think he left his real nut (pause) in reach of the governments grasp? He HAD to make sure they found something or else they’d never stop looking and his granddaughter would never be able to spend a dime without them on her ass, to think finger just let them take all the money he ever earned is such a weird thing to think considering we all know how smart he is

@@autismoid i absolutely adore the fact that everyone keeps up the running gag of randomly calling mike "finger" while the rest of their comments are dead serious

​@@autismoid We will never really know if she ever gets money. At least we know Waltuh's kids will.

@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Why do you think Walt's kids get the money? I'm pretty sure they'd hire very good security, hire a lawyer, turn in the money.

@@rhamlet5290 It's unlilely. They would probably welcome the donation of a rich couple, not knowing the money actualñy comes from Waltuh

It’s heartbreaking knowing he sacrificed years of time being able to support her for immediate stability built on the same dirty money that killed his son

Hey man most things in life that you cherish end up getting taken from you. Starts with your toys as a kid. Ends with your health. Somewhere in the middle you get a bunch of stuff and people but the stuff and people will slowly leave one by one. That’s the typical experience at least.

@@planobest8120 the common denominator of that loss is always at fault. Usually it’s the incividuals fault.

"I tried so hard, and got so far But in the end, it doesn't even matter I had to fall, to lose it all. But in the end, it doesn't even matter..." - Finger, 2010 CE

Yeah. It was really sad.

Gus knew an idiot like Mike was predictable and easy to manipulate

Finally someone not looking through good/evil glasses

this is true

@@sadtirical You agree Mike was easily manipulated?

@@jasonvoorhees5640 not easily but everybody got collateral in the business :/

This is it. Mike feels like he cannot turn over a new leaf in life. I think BCS shows this when he first moves to Albuquerque, he lives a straight and narrow life as a car park attendant. Eventually, he's like "screw this, I'm better at this than these losers, there's no hope for me now, might as well go out and make sure Kaylee will have a great future. It cant redeem her growing up without a father but whats left of my family can have a good life". But we know from BB the police seize all this money anyway. As another commenter said, his daughter in law and granddaughter who he does love so much will never know what happened to him, have no body to bury, and will be just as lost and grieving as much as when they lost Matty. All his family was to have Mike around. A sad cycle.

Or in other words: he didn't have the spine to try to make up for his wrongdoings. A lot of people do things that are irredeemable. But then they accept their punishment in this guilt and try to make it up for their whole life, even if they can't ever reach it.

In El Camino during a flashback scene, Jesse excitedly says that with this money he can change things, in fact, he can right all the wrongs of his past. He can “put things right.” “No,” Mike solemnly says. “Sorry kid, that’s the one thing you can never do.” So yes, I agree with you. And with Mike...to an extent. You may not be able to right the wrongs you've done but you can sure as hell not compound them.

exactly man. in el camino, the first scene is mike essentially outlining this school of thought.

@Lancor84 Jimmy ends up being more ethically respectable than Mike.

edit: I found this very insightful but disagree with 17:20 ish. Sure, he regrets and knows he's done wrong, but he's in with the people who wouldn't take a two week notice. Him getting there is definitely something he regrets, and i personally believe he was trying to teach nacho how to be like him, or a better son. What about his family, sure he made enough money to stop a while ago, but gus wouldn't take that. The cartel threataned him enough in BCS before waltuhh was involved. Great video

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Literally translated from German, "Ehrmantraut" means "ethical trout."

With most complex being Walter White

@@roastinpeace2320 walt was a really simple character he was just a chemistry teacher with cancer that started cooking meth

​@@creeperminecraft294 Did you get over the first season of breaking bad?

@@creeperminecraft294Saul was also pretty simple, he was just a lawyer who went bad after his wife left

Genuine question, what kind of work? Wouldn’t his police record be public?

@@mattk7865 Unless his murder of those crooked cops became public - in which case he’d be incarcerated - he wouldn’t have issues. Hell, just look at how many bad gypsy cops with open misconduct on their records can find other law enforcement jobs.

@@mattk7865 I hear he's a pretty good security consultant.

@@mattk7865 The show goes out of its way to show how adaptable Mike is to virtually any line of work. The second he started standing in as his role of security consultant, he instantly became the most competent employee in the warehouse.

@@mattk7865 He could have made a fine living as a PI.

I think these two scenes tell us everything we need to know about Mike. Well said.

That’s why I hate season 6 episode 11 so much. It removed all of moral culpability from Gus and Mike, rendered both of them blameless victims.

What ? Can you explain your mind ?

@@nont18411 Yet Mike covering up Jane's death is fine?

​@@TheMasterUnity Mike was corrupted by that point. The covering up of Howard's death is the moment we clearly see how much he changed.

This is why I love these shows.

You can rewatch them any time Nothing will beat the first watch though

There ain't beating Howard.

@@drkblu3394 Howard was a doofus.

@@rickdesper nah he was just played every step of the way. poor dude

Mike is tragic but yeah Howard is the most tragic literally did nothing wrong

I disagree. There are many points throughout the show where Mike could’ve changed his path, but didn’t. After moving to ABQ, he literally sought out the criminal underworld and began accepting work. He willingly decided to engage in criminal activities. You could say he only wanted to accept jobs where no one got hurt, but look how that ended up. With him killing and hurting people. After killing Werner, he had a chance to leave the game, but let Gus talk him back into it. He decided to continue to work for the man who he knows would make him commit similar acts, which includes hurting innocent people. Those are the two most significant cases I can think of, but the point is that he had multiple opportunities to change his path, to leave the criminal underworld and live a life away from crime. But he never did, so anything that happens to him after that is all on him as far as I’m concerned, which makes his character the opposite of tragic to me. And the video brings up a great point, would his son, Matty, even want Mike doing all this for his daughter. I don’t think so. All Mike is doing is perpetuating more pain and suffering for a dubious cause. He may be putting on a show of him being more moral and just than the other criminals, but he’s just like the rest of them. Like putting lipstick on a pig.

"Waltuh I swear I'm a gud guy Waltuh please have sex with me waltuh"-finger

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Why is the Internet filled with people who should have been swallowed by their mothers.....

As long as you're not on his way, Mike won't harm you and may even help you. He's not a sadistic irrationnal killer. But he's still dangerous.

How is he a bad person ?

@@sierraecho884 Well, he could have not joined the crime organisation, or just do crime in general. You could say he did it for his family as he was making shit money as a guard, but he did not have to be a guard. With his skillset he could have worked in a private security firm and make decent money (not shitload of drugmoney, but probably enough for his family).

@@Montcalf091 So being a criminal ? But that does not general mean you are a bad person. Being a criminal in Nazi Germany could mean saving jews. This was a crime back then. Also smoking weed is a crime in many placed, but you do not harm anyone. So being a criminal can not be exclusively considered being a bad person. Sure he could, he could have done many things differently. But the question is, is he a bad person. What you mentioned is he could have not joined organized crime and does something else, which I agree with, however this does not make him a bad person in my opinion. I could even argue that selling drugs is nothing bad. People can make their own choices on what they consume. Some inhale glue from the hardware store does that mean a hardware store employee is a bad person ? No. I personally think pople have the freedom to do with their bodies what they please unless they are belov a certain age or mentally handicapped.

@@sierraecho884 I personaly don't think beeing a criminal by itself is bad, nor that drugs are bad, most should be legalized. Mike knew though that getting into cartel shit could mean that he would hurt innocent people. I don't think he is BAD bad, but he cannot really claim any moral highground.

Finally, someone who doesn't repeat automatically the "we got a good thing going" speech... I have always sustained that Walt's ego wasn't to blame for his beef with Gus. But I always forgot that in Half Measures Mike asked Walt to let it go and accept killing Jesse was the best

I think Mike was referring to after Gus made the decision not to kill Walter in the basement. “You need to learn how to take ‘yes’ for an answer.”

Not to mention, Gus always planned to replace Walter with Gale. Walter and Jesse’s lives were at risk from the moment they started working for Gus. It was one of the few things Walter did that he genuinely had to do to keep himself and Jesse alive

@@bwweaver78 Even if Mike was referring to that, it is still Gus’s fault and NOT Walter’s. He was the one deliberately trying to drive a wedge between him and Jesse, he also threatened to murder Walt’s entire family if Walt didn’t allow him to kill his brother in law. Gus was responsible for the beef between himself and Walt, NOT the other way around.

yh i can't blame walts ego for wanting to outlive Gus. It was fear driving him then, don't see how Mike missed that even if his words were thematically appropiate for walts arc.

I don’t think Mike is a typical bad guy, it’s like he said in better call Saul you did something illegal that makes you a criminal are you a bad criminal or are you a good criminal? In other words, Mike is a man of his word.

facts, mainly because tucos unpredictable

@@itsluckzy2023 and Mike has honor and morals. People like Walt will backstab you the second it's convenient. Mike is not like that

@@suezuccati304 exactly 💯

As long as you're not on his way, Mike won't harm you and may even help you. He's not a sadistic irrationnal killer. But he's still dangerous.

@@suezuccati304 honor and morals? mike was an emotional and arrogant bully. Walt showed him what happens to bullies.

There's is just so much you can do to convince your psycopath criminal boss to do or not do.

The Salamancas were threatening his father well before Gus tho. Him wanting to get rid of them and deal with Hector himself is what gets him noticed by Gus in the first place.

​@@stefannita3439 Yeah both sides were ruthless and using Nacho. It goes to show how Gus has became as morally bankrupt as Hector and the rest of the Cartel despite considering himself to be different.

@@stefannita3439 Still kinda funny that he emotionally damaged the twins before his death, He got that SALAMANCA BLOOD.

​@@petert2481funny how people try to make everything out to be so black and white. How old are you? 15?

Nerd lol

There's a comment above mine and below yours that I can't see. What does it say? 🦉

Walt is a much bigger example of cognitive dissonance.

No I don't see it like that. He realizes he IS evil, NOT like the others. His conversation with Gus in the village and his appearance afterwards, all in black and "hanging" with Gus' crew are a very poignant way of telling us that he agrees with Gus. They might be evil, but they're not like the Salamancas. You never see Mike killing no innocent in both of these shows and he's legitimately shocked by the way Gus treated Victor - as much as he knew Victor had to go at that moment, the way of doing it was not to Mike's liking. That is his turning point just like Saul's acceptance that his best game will be played on the dirtiest fields and that's ok. It doesn't make him "as bad" as the criminal world around him and I don't think the character showed anything to tell us that's how he felt.

@@Henrique.Souza0601 i agree with this post but something that was never too clear for me is why mike despised the salamancas to the point that he willingly jumped off the deep end into the corruptest depths of the criminal underworld just to join gus' brutal and destructive revenge quest (and support his family in the process, obviously, but there were still less egregious jobs he could have done). they threatened kaylee which is obviously the one thing which pisses off mike more than anything. but after the second time he sabotaged hector's operation, he told victor "i'm glad to have salamanca out of my head", indicating he was done with them. yet he continued working for gus and even got roped back in by him after being made to kill werner just by the prospect of revenge against the salamancas. what do you think changed? was hector threatening his granddaughter and killing a civilian really the impetus for his entire involvement with gus in particular? doubtless those are horrible and disturbing acts, but this contradicts what mike said about being done with hector.

@@lulu4882 I think that the episode "Dedicado a Max" answers your question. Mike already despised Hector and understood what kind of person he and his crew were: people who wouldn't think twice before killing a child in order to get what they want. Also, remember that if it wasn't for Gus, Mike would've ended up killed on a street after drinking and getting himself into some fight with local thugs. He had a drinking problem from the start and he'd definitely end up dying because of it. It's implied Gus told his story and why he hated Hector and the cartel, so he would've further confirmation that they were the worst possible kind of people. Another thing to consider is that Mike was already morally flawed and was also a wise man, he understood that with or without his involvement, the drug world would keep going and realized that it'd be better if there were more Gus and less Hector (metaphorically speaking). Gale says to Walter in BB "adults want what they want, if it isn't me producing, it'll be someone else, at least with me they get what they pay for" and I think this applies perfectly to Mike. If the crime's gonna be around anyway and the best way to get money for his family well-being is to be a criminal, at least be a criminal working for the guy that doesn't kill just because he feels like it, for the guy who has at least some sense of morality and is not an animal. And if the people you have to kill are friends with the worst scum of this world, maybe killing them can be understood as doing something good in the end. That's my reading of the situation. Jimmy becomes Saul Goodman after trying countless times to "do the right thing" and have life saying screw u and pushing him right into the "wrong path"; Mike, on the other hand, stopped trying to be the nice guy a long time before meeting Gus, but had a hard time accepting who he was. Gus says to him, when confronted about the village being his way to "compensate" for the things he did: "I am what I am." And after that point Mike is officially his henchmen, because him too accepts that truth about himself.

@@Henrique.Souza0601 i appreciate the in-depth response, i agree with your points and i think that clears things up. mike is not a character who telegraphs his emotions much at all or ever voices his feelings or inner world, so these things can be kind of difficult to pick up on for me. he definitely presents himself as the strong, stoic, silent type but it makes sense that his dealing with the salamancas and affiliated scum in the criminal underworld would really bother him and foster an ongoing resentment for them, going beyond just the initial 2 inciting incidents. and i forgot the aspect of working for gus giving his life structure and keeping him away from the path of alcoholism and self loathing which would inevitably lead to his miserable death. mike's such a great character, with his aloof attitude so much of this depth is portrayed really subtly but it's definitely there.

@@Henrique.Souza0601 Stop calling him Victor

Yes, I think fatalism is central to Mike's morality (there was a turning point in BCS when Mike talks of playing the cards one is dealt) but I think it's psychological as much as philosophical. Mike's fatalism is connected to the death of his son - It broke him. Not just the death itself, but also but because it induced Mike to commit murder out of revenge. As you say, those revenge killings probably marked a point of no return for Mike, where he thought he was irredeemable and that ultimately led him to abandon trying to live a decent life. Throughout the show, he seems to have this deep sadness and heavy heart, almost in despair. In this depressed state, while he is very capable day-to-day, it is as if he doesn't have full agency over the big goals and direction of his life. He likes to serve others because he has no inner direction. He gets swept along, following more driven characters like Gus, Saul and even Walt (despite their animosity). He is like a half-man, living a miserable existence, as if he were caught half way between this world and the next. That's why he sets himself up to be beaten and nearly killed by local hoodlum. He thinks he is damned, and clings to serving Kaylee and his code, like a man clinging to a floating piece of wood as the river is sweeping him off to his doom. I think if his son were alive, Mike would be a good man. But in the show, he broke bad because in some way Mike himself was no longer fully alive.

@@theodisius1 absolutely, there’s definitely a psychological aspect to Mike’s fatalism, where he’s just been utterly broken down by the world / the consequences of his own actions. Its a chicken-and-egg situation almost where he commits awful, unforgivable actions because he’s convinced himself he’s fundamentally irredeemable, but he’s only fundamentally irredeemable because he keeps committing awful, unforgivable actions…

@@theodisius1 Mike was just an evil narcissist bro

@@theodisius1 Wow this is a great analysis,some of u should make videos

@@FreshZCORD Right? These philosophies have really opened my eyes!

Vietnam plays a huge role in his personality.. crazy how the writers did that with a few simple lines

@@brandonallison3236 it's never rlly explored tho just implied in a scene that's about shooting snipers. Would be rlly cool to see him explain his days in the war tho but tbh it's not necessary

@@brandonallison3236 Are you saying Vietnams was the reason mike was sadistic and evil

It probably also explains his sympathy for civilians. He knew not to harm the innocent families during the Vietnam war.

@@jasonvoorhees5640 how is he sadistic? Or evil? I kinda get the evil thing cause he does bad things, but he doesnt do them for fun so I'd say he is just a bad guy, not "evil".

I was in deep thought within the video and it caught me off guard lol it was funny

Jesus, Marie, I said Cheetos, not Fritos.

@@Jouzou87 ☠

@@Jouzou87 ch ch ch cheetos

Imagine Walt tried to bargain nachos instead of money to save Hank in the desert

Dont try to demonize people like Gus or The Salamanca. People like this exist, and they are a human being, just like you and me. And human being do awful things sometime.

@@Iwanwahid1969 do not demonize people like that? Are you serious? The cartels in the real world torture you, cut your body into pieces, cut of your face and wear while making fun of it, etc. and you dont want him to demonize those people? Let's also not forget all the human trafficking they do. In BB and BCS they depict the cartels on a way lighter sight than they really are!

@@Iwanwahid1969 do you know what a figure of speech is?

@@maxwell2162 any intentional deviation from literal statement or common usage that emphasizes, clarifies, or embellishes both written and spoken language.

​@@Iwanwahid1969Stating that Gus and the Salamanca family were sociopaths is not demonization. Plenty of humans are, in fact, sociopaths.

« I commit crimes for muh granddaughter » -doesn’t have a time limit like Walt’s cancer to justify going into crime for quick money. -gets mad every time he’s paid for doing nothing, actually enjoys doing crimes -still accepts being Gus’ bitch even after he instigated the death of 3 people he cared about (Werner, Nacho, Victor). And then develops a weird loyalty for him for no reason lol. Gus is every bit as petty and ego driven as Walter, even going as far as murdering a child to bait Jesse into a trap just because he didn’t like working with him. Walt’s worst action? Non lethally poisoning a child to gain Jesse back to his side to save his life. Why is this dead eyed cretin so loved?

Nope , it's because walter didn't know his place

Are you saying the show was goofy and unrealistic?

@@jasonvoorhees5640 No he is saying that Mike is a terrible person but does not want to believe it.

@@coder9928 I find i weird how so many people see mike this way. walt was right to kill him.

@@jasonvoorhees5640 You get the gold medal for mental gymnastics bc there's no way that's the conclusion you make

@@jasonvoorhees5640 I think it's the exact opposite, in that it's in fact VERY realistic because there's no such thing as superheroes and supervillains in real life. Everything and everyone is a shade of grey, some people are perhaps darker shades of grey and some are lighter shades but 99% of the time there is no pure good and no pure evil, people do bad things for good reasons and good things for bad reasons

Yup, like the old saying goes "You live by the sword, you die by the sword"

Soldiers are almost always drafted and fight against their will.

They probably never will know what he was involved with because he was never caught or taken to trial. He’ll just be a missing person. They’ll never know what happened to him.

@@HalfEatenMedia not true. he was publicly associated with Madrigal, if you recall

Very good point

Even Walt felt safe enough to suggest killing Fring. It cost him a jab to the face and the loss of any trust Mike might have had in him, but he opened up

Actually, not everyone feels safe around Mike. Kim felt terrified around Mike. That’s why she only confessed AFTER Jimmy told her that Mike’s dead.

Despite all the badassery he still carries that grandpa vibe. Like everyone can tell after a while he's not a sadist but is fed up of everything as much or more than everyone and is only doing a job. So it's normal that everyone trust and opens to him as not only you can't talk about these things with no one else but no matter what side you're at he seems to understand the most.

@@nont18411 speculation

Yup

Very well put and I agree 💯%

Yeah and great point in the video, about how would Mike's granddaughter feel about what he's done

AMEN to that!

@DixonYamowthe yeah it's just a way for em to validate their actions. I mean I love Mike but his grandaughter would not like anything that he is doing when she got old enough to understand! She probably wouldn't even want to take the money honestly. Just blood money haha she's like I'm good

kid named finger

Consciously making a decision to work in an industry that you know destroys communities to personally benefit yourself is not selfless. The fact that you are willing to ignore Mikes evil because you find some sort of quality in Mike speaks volumes about your lack of morals.

his dad never signed up to be in the game.

Nachos dad was completely unrealistic, and his inflexibility pushed nacho ever deeper. It got him killed in the end, and his dad had no appreciation for what his son did for him. Nacho made his own choices, but so did his father. He wasn't moral he was stubborn imo.

@@allgonewrongful I don’t think his dad knew about the internal stuff and Nacho saving him. He had no idea the situation nacho was in or how he contributed to it

@@allgonewrongful that’s what I had in mind when i said he is not completely right . If nacho took his advice and called the police early on it may have put him at risk but a lot of things probably wouldn’t have happened .

The end of the story ends with the DEA finding everything. It ends with the police on top. Nacho got into the game which forced his dad to deal with the game even though he shouldn't have to. By no means was his dad participating in the game, but throughout the show he was threatened without his knowledge as a tool against nacho. But even Mike stood up for his father. I think his father represents the law/spciety and the fence represents the divid between them. Mike will never be allowed into society but he wishes he could take it all back. His father never dies because in the end he is right, nacho should have just gone to the police. But Mike believes cops are crooked because he's a crooked cop, yet the shows shows numbers honest cops and lawyers who do fight for what's right and good.

Absolutely. Outside of the criminal world, he's just another hired gun for the cartel. Absolutely despicable if you see him from any other POV.

i.e. someone who would shine in military roles, but when you get disillusioned you get ppl like Mike bringing every shitty thing they had to do in order to survive, to the streets and their families.

I disagree. As good a person as the criminal underworld allows would be someone like Gus.

@@cevest_blirobo7308 disagree

@@cevest_blirobo7308 Gus is as evil as they get. Not quite as bad as the Salamancas or Jack and Todd’s gang, but he’s up there. He literally has no feelings for anyone except Max and is willing to use or kill anyone

This and other comments I believe miss the point of the police are also corrupt. “Just turn yourself in, son” his dad says. But the police are or certainly could be corrupt. That’s why Mike is who he is. He was police, he new that meant looking the other way from what would be ‘right’ or ‘just’ sometimes, but that’s the way it works in the real world. Even for the ‘law’ Mike’s son was too good for the real world, that’s why he is dead. Everyone in the real world is corruptible, I think that’s a message the show meant to get across.

Mike is a walking contradiction.

Mike is just a straight up awful person

Mike’s code was that he kept his word, he always put his money where his mouth was, he followed his code to the letter and that is ironically ultimately what did him in, the only time he started slipping was when he kept hesitating to kill Walter.

Mike creates these rules for himself about not harming civilians, taking care of his family, and keeping his word as if those principles outweigh the absolutely evil acts he commits throughout both series. Unlike Gus' other henchmen, we see Mike's backstory and why he does what he does, which makes us feel sympathy for him and we try to rationalize his actions. Mike lies to himself the same way Walter does. The only difference is that Mike genuinely only cares about his family, and Walter only really cares about himself.

one thing I think about is even though Todd shot that kid Mike still went along with them dissolving his body In a barrel of acid so no one would find him. After that I don't think your code matters any more.

And to add something about Mike talking to Nacho's father: for me, one of the greatest closure to a character ever, if not THE greatest. It summarizes his character completely. He wants to be "different" and is different in some ways, nonetheless he's a criminal and not a "good guy" like Nacho's father.

You could say that some serial killers and sadists are pure evil.

I’d reckon jack and Todd are 99.1% evil

This is a good explanation. I think the purpose of these arguments are that someone who partially leans towards good over evil vs someone who partially leans evil over good. Someone like Mike would lean towards the evil side, yet close to the center. While the vargo father would lean towards the good side. Hard to say how far on the good. You have to break the center threshold towards the good side to be considered a 'good' person. If you're actions are fundamentally self serving, it doesn't matter what you do, you will always lean towards the evil side. You could be a pastor or the creator of a non-profit. While you could argue Mike's intentions were not self serving, but in the service of his grand daughter. But that would be incorrect. Since he is in service to her to make him feel better about the guilt he feels for his son. Which would put him as close to the center while still being on the evil side of the threshold as possible. Just my thoughts on it

You left out Kim, who was the most complex person in BCS.

Don't forget Kaylee's mom too.

Jesse only worked for Gus because of Walt's insistence

@@alext8229 because he threatened Walt with snitching after Hank whooped his ass. Saul told him that Jesse is a threat and lowkey implied that they should have him killed. Walt could not do that and took the peaceful way to resolve it, he brought Jesse into the lab.

Jesse is shown not to be a particularly bright character in the show. Gus and Mike together faked a shootout to make Jesse feel like a hero, just after the Gale incident, and he fully fell for it. After that he puts the blame for all of that on Gus, and says it to his face at his home, but never on Mike, just because Mike acted like a father for a bit with him. Point is, Jesse is very gullible and confused.

@@ixian_technocrat Which is why Walt was able to manipulate him so much for so long. Even when Jesse eventually figured out that Walt poisoned Brock, Walt even with a gun pointed to his head was able to manipulate Jesse by planting a seed of doubt into his mind thinking it was Gus who ordered Brock's poisoning as some kind of master plan. Jesse of course, once again fell for a lie and spared Walt's life because like you say he wasn't particularly bright.

@ixiantechnocrat346 and now watch El Camino for an opportunity to re-visit the question of Jesse's capacity

He kills people, I’m baffled people don’t think that he’s a bad guy.

As long as you're not on his way, Mike won't harm you and may even help you. He's not a sadistic irrationnal killer. But he's still dangerous.

@@GaylordBonnafous That doesn’t justify anything.

@@TwistedFireX Correct, it's a lousy excuse of his bad behavior

@@TwistedFireX Hes completely right, what do you think there is to justify? Mike was a professional Killer, but he had Standarts and was never portrait as sadistic or irrational like Tuco or Walt for example. Mike and Hank were the only Characters in BB that had some kind of integrity and were at least trying to do the right thing from time to Time.

He murdered Werner who wasnt really in the game

@@josip342 Only because he HAD to and there was no other option. I see it as Gus killing Werner and not Mike. Gus was the one who made it impossible for Werner to survive

@@jameslough6329 he had a choice to not kill werner and live with his decision. Also the most important thing, he had a choice to not become a hitman for the cartel in the first place

@@josip342 If Mike didn’t kill Werner, Gus and his men would have killed him and his wife. So no, Mike didn’t really have a choice due to Gus’s ruthlessness

a man gotta have a code.

Yes. As long as you're not on his way, Mike won't harm you and may even help you. He's not a sadistic irrationnal killer. But he's still dangerous.

innocent people still got killed because he helped drug kingpins stay in power though

Do not expect a majority here to understand what is a code.

it was his punishment in the story, if he just got away his actions faced no consequences. everyone pays for their crimes in the BB universe

@@blinkyy1088 I was about to say not Jesse but I guess losing two loves and like a year of dehumanising torture is probably a fate worse than death in some perspectives. Just cos he ultimately survives and escapes, doesn't mean he didn't suffer for his sins.

Walt showed the hubris of mike when he greased him lol

Walt died with everybody he ever loved despising him, Jesse escaped although he lost everything he had and has to live with depression

@@blinkyy1088 Not everyone. Kim never paid for her crimes.

Walt is a bit of a stretch. Both did terrible things for the good of “Family” but in reality were just doing it because they liked it (or revenge) They both killed good people for reasons that are not morale justifiable. And in the end they just end up putting the ones they love in harms way over and over again. To me they are different sides of the same coin

He's equal not lesser

@@buddyfett1341 no he's less... mike has some morality

That's a hell of a low bar.

@@catchultr Gus had no family. His only partner in life, Max, was dead. He was driven purely by revenge, seemingly didn’t enjoy anything that he was doing.

they did invited them

@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 metaphorically

Breaking Bad: the series where the main character finds out about the party, invites himself into it, and ends up killing everyone there

@@thahoule7924 "See Walt, THIS is why we didn't invite you!"

I don't know if Mike enjoys being a criminal like Walt, so much as his gulit makes him feels obligated to make enough money to support Stacey and Kaley for the rest of their lives by any means necessary, since he feels directly responsibility for the death of his son who was thier sole provider

@@TAG152gaming He was all smiles and proud of robbing the drug truck. He enjoyed it. He had no interest in flashy cars, no rolex but he enjoyed the power and fear he instilled in others. He was a corrupt cop which is a criminal.

@@TAG152gaming Mike clearly said in BrBa s3 ep 4 that he enjoys it

I think he does, Mike is just so far gone after killing the cops that he becomes the bad guy for the sake of his granddaughter

Mike never justifies any of his deeds, atleast that I remember.

Nice pfp

No redemption, no undoing it, no going back. Mike's worldview in a nutshell. Once you're in Hell, keep walking. And Daniel seemingly ends up embracing this ideology in whole.

plus there are other way to provide than being a hitman

Mike was just as trapped as Nacho, he just happened to outlive his gilded cage rather than the other way around.

Mike and Walt were the two characters I wanted to reach through the screen and smack the most. Both are terrible people trying to convince themselves and others they are righteous when they are not.

@@Nick_CF Mike never tried to convince anyone he was righteous, he saw himself as scum and hated himself he just had a code he believed in, if you thought Mike believed he was self righteous you immediately misunderstood the character.

Mike isn’t a hypocrite, he’s actually the most consistent character in both shows, he keeps his word and he doesn’t harm those that aren’t in the game. Everyone he killed was involved in the game. Not saying it’s right or moral but it’s his code and he was completely consistent with it throughout. The only time he contradicts himself is the half measure mindset he adopts in Breaking Bad.

i hate how when you think mike is a bad person, the fans automatically assumes that you like walter, theyre basically the same level of bad but without mike having an ego

@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 I think many characters in BB/BCS are great examples of the "evils that men do", to paraphrase Iron Maiden. It's fascinating because they follow an internal logic and it seems clear, almost inevitable, that they end up doing what they do (like killing Ziegler). Or lashing out against a world that bullied you. And the show presents this in unhurried sequences that respected the audience. I especially remember how broken Walt was in Vermont and about to give himself up until he comes up with the insufferable smarminess of the Schwarzes on TV. It's hard not to agree with him in those instances. But take a couple of steps back, and you realize how deeply flawed and corrupted they are. It is really a credit to the genius of the show that so many of these characters are actively perceived as "good". Shows TV audiences can handle complex characters without much need of saccharine treatment.

"Functional alcoholic" is a frame that really matches how Mike approaches the criminal life. Breaking Bad is a show about drugs as crime and crime as drugs.

"i liked it. i was good at it."

Yeah pretty much, the way Mike is written he's written to be likeable but likeability doesn't always equate to goodness

i believe we see in the same episode that she is mishearing the paper getting delivered as gunshots because of her trauma/grief

Mike sits outside her house one night to keep watch and see what is going on, without her knowledge obviously. Nothing happens , but than Stacey calls Mike that next morning saying it happened again and shows him a "bullet mark from a stray" that his the side of the house. Mike knows she's lieing or just paranoid but just goes with it anyway.

I think Stacey is often trying to manipulate Mike into providing for Kaley. Remember, the whole ordeal ended with her and Kaley moving to a better neighbourhood with a better school. Same with the babysitting, she never outright asks him for it, but semi-subtlety nudges him into doing it. Which works, Mike is babysitting her constantly. Mike can propably see right through it, but since Staceys intention is a good life for Kaley and Mike's intentions are ultimately the same, he propably goes along with it. He doesn't take it personally that she's trying to guilt him into taking care of Kaley since that's what he would have done anyways. You can't even really blame Stacey in my opinion, any mother would prioritise her own daughter over her father in law.

@@sertu1462 oh ya absolutely, like when they are looking for a new house and Stacey loves the " big open space room" clearly unnecessary for the two of them but like you Mike just goes with it.