they honestly run just fine with me...especially when i throw in cards like soul absorb and inferno tempast.

Nah this deck looks and feel like a movie antagonist deck. It got it all, a gimmick that terrified casual players while having a glaring weaknesses that the protagonist/good player can take advantage of. Card art that is a reference to old classic monsters And a boss monster that is hard to summon but did very little to help out.

I could see it in the GX Anime when everyone started joining that white cult

​@@Funloverpartyexcept wyrms didn't exist in gx

@@johnnickfanaccount3492then change them to dragons….

Boring to play against though

​@@HotRed00your standby phase? No, OUR standby phase.

The deck is fine untill they put aloof lupine in f&l list because thunder dragon dominating every single rank game and tournament

@@vyrax401well aloof is coming of the ban list soon, which may not shoot The deck into any relevance but the consistency boost will be nice

It definitely feels incomplete, like they stopped giving them support midway

Its incomplete because it failed, they didnt see the value in continuing them

@@radityaerlang9206 Look it’s that guy

@@radityaerlang9206 I think It's the other way around. Metaphys is failed because it's incomplete.

@@radityaerlang9206 what i find really funny is that one of its cards is a "Nephthys" card, which is another, not so great archetype held back by almost the exact same thing, there destroyed effects trigger in YOUR next Standby Phase, which kinda killed their potency as even a rouge option. But even this archetype feels better than Metaphys, they do have access to generic Ritual support (Yes, even Pre-Prep).

Still hate all thunder drag players for that, basically killed metaphys on there own, the bans didn't even hurt there deck in tell they started to just ban the thunder drags themselves

Then they released that character with a skill that skipped the standby and the deck died for good

I dunno if they're still making animes but if only there's a fan in Konami that would push for Metaphys to be a villain deck. Maybe it'll be like Malefic that have cards inspired by some of those played by protags.

Malefic could also use some love again. Malefic paradigm can special summon a banished level 8 synchro dragon. But there is only one target and that is stardust dragon if you have used it to summon malefic stardust. That's such a flaw😅 I wish they would make a malefic monster that can summon itself banishing ANY monster from the special deck so you can use it to banish any level 8 synchro dragon and then resummon that monster with paradigm dragon...

​@@theinfernity1799maybe if they made other malefic synchros like a malefic red dragon archfiend, or maybe they could make a malefic galaxy eyes for XYZ (just make it one of the XYZ ones so that it's another less bricky option)

@@IyoMaestro Like Malefic paradigm dragon in my last sentence of my comment^^?

@@theinfernity1799I thought you couldn’t summon from graveyard/banished if it wasn’t properly summons first

@@andrewplayz443 Read the card that I mentioned... Why does no one check the card that I mentioned? I guess typical yugioh players lol

Yeah they are an archetype. I played them on and off back in the day and I basically turned it into semi gran maju, Soul absorption pile.

Funnily enough, Nephthys is another archetype screwed by a similar thing as Mataphys, their floating effects only activating during the next standby phase.

@mateusrp1994 yeah, and it didn't make much sense to me that they pushed Nephthys to being a ritual archetype when Sacred Phoenix really didn't have anything to do with rituals

​@@pagananarchist4723Nephtys and Simorgh got weird archetypes built around them. My poor borbs

​@@mateusrp1994not just next standby phase, it's "your" standby Means they're alot slower than metaphys by a mile and the only one that doesn't have it is conductor

Konami is bringing back some old cards (and I mean OLD like since Legend of Blue Eyes White Dragon) in the form of the Memento archetype.

Same. Tons of games won from people not reading that tyrant dragon would be unaffected by traps lol

Duel Links smaller deck and field format was genuinely good for Metaaphys

need Ragnarok to push metaphys a bit

God I remember playing against metaphys as a subterror player. You guys were so hard to deal with

The banlist destroy this deck too, they limit 2 aloof lupine so you cant play it alongside dark sarcophagus or kiteroid

The thing is at this rate of the powercreep. Not many cards age well

@@florianbergmuller3937 but they at least become a rogue option metaphys are too weak unfortunately

⁠@@nziomI never saw Metaphys being good to use even as a rogue option. They had good synergy with Nordics because Nordics have a fetish for banishing, but I never saw the payoff being worth it. The Adventurer engine is just way better for Nordics.

They arecreally good and have the potential to be really good. I think one of the problems is that they also have thw potential to be too broken, an archetype based on banishing. Also they are not anime girls so Konami doesn't care

They are at the high end of casual, having really strong pay offs with the big Metaphys effects, but take too long to achieve them.

Chain effects while not having an archetype, are more well known with chain burn strategies. A monster archetype for it would be too clunky... Mekk-Knights are an archetype kinda are what the first thing you wrote. Just woke up, can't English atm sorry

The archetype valantz does just that in fact I'm pretty sure they have a card that straight up searches senet switch.

yeah, and at that point just play ADAMANCIPATOR

@@AdrianWach1 As a Chaos player its not the same thing at all. A chaos pile is VERY different to a pile of rocks. A metaphys pile is also not the same thing as a pile of rocks.

*hOwEvEr*

Their banish effects go off if they're banished in any way. its their summon effects that rely on being summoned by a Metaphys monster. They can also search any metaphys card with Nephthys and their trap card, plus a free draw every turn with their continuous spell, so searching is not the issue. They're just way too passive and slow to set up anything meaningful, especially with their awful boss monster.

The top thing actually not true, if they’re banished in ANY WAY their effects will trigger

I'm not sure I like how you mix three different archetypes here (two of which are already losely related). The ascension to the Wyrm-state should come with some kind of decoupling from old relatives for the Dragons that undergo it, as they reach a new plane of existence.

⁠​⁠@@xCorvus7x Well this card here is already a connector to all three, and I feel the “Metaphys” cards should all have _some_ gameplay connections to the cards they were before (either by their own effects or through the effects of another related card.) And having such a connection allows ALL the related archetypes to play nicer together and with the game in general. Not to mention having cross archetype support can allow normally struggling archetypes pull out new tricks in an ever evolving game. Help keep the meta on it’s toes and all that. LV and Metaphys monsters have more or less fallen out of favor anyway, so having this would help then get back on their feet without being TOO much.

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire I don't think it would help, you need to consider deck space to play all this together. If you mix too many things, the result _might_ be rogue but it will be no more than a shadow of each of the things that went into it (and if this combination of different decks depends on too many different things, it is very brittle). Well, I feel the Metaphys cards should have no gameplay connection to the cards they used to be or that surrounded the cards they used to be. Gameplay connections, i. e. working together as a deck, is the in-game equivalent of relationships between individuals but ascending to the Wyrm-state transforms the Dragons who undergo it fundamentally: now they are different beings, they have no attachment to the cards they used to work with and might even be in a completely different world. This is different than resembling their former selves in appearance and effect.

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Besides, how does Metaphys Armed Dragon connect anything? What of the Armed Dragon support would even work with this Light Wyrm? The name only describes the origin of the creature.

@@xCorvus7x Well this card in itself would BE the armed dragon support:⚪️It has multiple ways of searching them out. ⚪️It has a built in method of protection for them, which can feed into it’s ability to special summon an armed dragon from your hand/GY.⚪️ It has a method of fattening them up in ATK/DEF, which is good since if they special summon an “Armed Dragon Thunder LV10”, the LV10 gains new effects depending on the ATK of the monster that summoned it. ⚪️And of course most of this card’s effects bounce off of the actions of the Armed Dragon and other stated archetypes in general, meaning you can start a chain reaction of events that can win you the game, and can even bring _itself_ out from your hand/GY with the accumulated cards.

The thing about face-down banishment is that the cards banished face-down have no bearing on the game. The owner can look at them and technically choose which one to move elsewhere, if a card the effect of which moves all kinds of banished cards gives them that choice (such as Arise-Heart), but their effects cannot be activated and don't apply. Face-down banished cards are also private information, perhaps even if your opponent saw which card was banished face-down, so it's not like they can confirm the text of your face-down banished cards. If you just remove the brackets altogether (because unless otherwise specified cards are always banished face-up, I think), this would work. However, if you want to keep that option, you could instead turn the passive effect into a lingering one, that is activated by banishing the card from your GY either face-up or face-down. „You can banish this card from your GY either face-up or face-down; for the rest of the duel, apply the following effects: ⚪If a “Metaphys” monster you control attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage. ⚪If the summon or effect of a “Metaphys” you control resolves: You can add 1 “Metaphys” card of a matching name to your hand from your deck or GY. ⚪If a “Metaphys” card from your hand or field is banished: You can shuffle 1 banished card you own back into your deck.“ This way your opponent can disrupt this play with D.D. Crow before you regain priority on your turn, but once activated the effect is always active and it doesn't matter what happens to the card afterwards.

@@xCorvus7x I like that.

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Cool ^^ Besides that, the card is solid and I'd like to see it printed. However, it's _very_ similar to Dracocension, and since the summoned Metaphys has little to do with the monster tributed, and the card gives you the option to tribute a Wyrm or Metaphys monster for another Metaphys monster, it's less an Ascension than a Metaphys Interruption, Interlude, or simply an Exchange or Shift. I guess it might also be a Metaphys Takeover, Arrival, or Descent but if you tributed a Metaphys monster, the Metaphys have already arrived/descended. I imagine that aside from searching out a Metaphys monster, you'd also use this card to dodge targeted negation; both these uses fall into the niche of Heavenly Dragon Circle. This doesn't really matter, though, it's just a question of flavour (a topic where we may have to agree to disagree).

Give them a Trade-In that banishes instead of discards.

In Zefra abomination piles they do.