Same with F-104A/C

so.. its where it should be?

@@ram3n_no0dle kinda but then there's things with better speed and armament lower or .3 higher (not a small difference like 9E vs R60s at 9.7)

I said this on the forum so many times but the VTE elitists lolkekwd at me.

@@autumnrah f104a? It only got 2 pairs on aim9bs doesn't it have other missiles?

Feel a bit like a reverse since you know red wingtip .

@@hopelessgaming2732 yeah that makes sense although pixy had the right wingtip painted in red, while Defyn has the left wing tip painted in red

YO BUDDY

@@theycallmeJacko Instead of buddy he says mate.

He missed the one that lives for KD, like loads of people. Defyn is the mule of the team: ready to carry anything without any complaint, and he's gonna save your ass anytime, instead of using you as bait

it will probably go down again since no one plays 8.7 anymore and it always gets uptiered

That’s the problem, their stats do not account for the subjective nature of over compression, at this point I would call it hyper compression.

Not bad with turn fighting. Bad with 20g and 30g missiles coming from Phantoms though. Especially since Defyns video was mainly downtiered or same br.

In the state mig19s were at 10.0 putting them at 9.7 for some time is good, tough imho they could have left the MiG19pt at 10.0 if they gave back to him the R-13m missiles (not with the performance they had in 1.87 but with the performance they have now that are on the 21bis). They could force faster enemy planes to turn so you can engage them in a quick dogfight

it's going to 9.3 now

Virgin mig19*

The chad br lock at 9.7 where Defyn definitely doesn't face f4 phantoms in his video due to getting screwed

@@einar8019 ew

giga virgins

I dont!

kd matters 😳😳😳😳

The demon of the round table

Aka the round table

GIANT DAD THE LEGEND Gaijin: BuT mIsSiles comrade.

Not anymore. Now it just gets uptiered to fight phantoms and gets completely destroyed.

@@WoofyMcDoodle i dont have problems whit the f4C they are fat as fuck and at low alt they cant do alot you just need to make then get greedy and kill them bc the f40 sabre is really hard to kill so you can just dodge them and some times make them rip they wings of

@@WoofyMcDoodle btw the f4c is just overated i can easily kill them whit my mig19

that's not worth a shit if your flyboy hamster keeps falling asleep

bruh how are harriers a threat to the mig 19 lmao

@@benfennell6842 sraams have no mercy on planes without flares, phantoms face fuck it, mig21s face fuck it

@@Winter_rifle True but tbh if you've been outmanouvered by a subsonic in your mig-21MF somethings gone horribly wrong.

@@benfennell6842 no, the mig19 is just not enough maneuverable. Now that there's stuff like the f8u and the j35A looping over and over doesn't solve anything because these have roughly the same thrust weight ratio than you and turn a lot better.

@@kingghidorah8106 lmao you dont see the obvious mistake in your logic. i can drain a j35 of its energy any day every day. same with any other plane thats not a fucking mig 19 or a viggen. how ? make them turn after you then start looping horizontally until the j35 falls back then cut into your own loop to let him catch to keep the illusion hes got your 6. go round once maybe twice hes done. you still have 1000kmh to work with. you can do it with any plane you fight maybe not with a f8e. to deal with that include vertical axis if necessary and youre done with him as well. seems like your inability to fly the plane is more of a issue here ^^ what you were talking about is their ability to sustain huge aoa to give you the illusion youre turning fast when in reality youre using your speed to turn and are basically drifting through the air. the mig just doesnt do that thats why it wins ANY dogfight aggainst planes that arent called j37.....

R-3S are pretty bad, which is why i prefer playing chinese variants the PL-2 missiles are beyond better haven’t had issues with load factors except when rolling they also track substantially better and are extremely hard to dodge when close

The PL-2s are the exact same

Unlucky

and now they buffed them :)

@@GewelReal i don't think they didn't buff the missiles, they just nerfed r60 reliability, thats why russian jet players get better results when using r3s as they should than when using r60s as they should.

its got a radar, its just that it isnt too good.

@@gregorydewar531 yep, lack of missles is pain

@@gregorydewar531 so you are saying a prop could kill you? Because the A10 isn’t very fast.

@@gregorydewar531 19 should energytrap a10's easy no? doesnt matter how good they turn if they cant even nose up to you since theyre so damn slow

@@vereity3912 if u boom and zoom they just point their nose up and send out a middle

you should really be a gaijin dev :)

Instead of that why not add missiles to it. I mean historically it DID HAD 2 R-13 "Atoll" missiles

Gib 9.0 to 19S... I'd actually wanna see it just as a meme. But knowing gaijigles they might actualyl leave it there

Bruh the mig19 is way too good for 9.0. Even 9.7 is too low. It should be 10.0. Mig19 is better than top tier planes performance wise it just lacks flares and missiles which puts it at a disadvantage

@@rileyxbell I think the S should be 10.0 because of its performance, but the other 19s could probably stay at 9.7 for a little bit to see how their presence affects the 9.7 br. There are aircraft that do better than it in some areas and can counter it if they play their cards right, but the same can be said for the 19. The F100D is one which doesn’t have a whole lot over the 19, but can still win a fair 1v1 and can use its better missiles to kill the 19 when boom and zooming. A7 has death missiles and guns while also having a better turn rate at most speeds even with the gun pods, the F104 has much better performance outside of turn and its got good guns too, and the Harriers and Jaguars have great guns and great missiles and the Jaguars in particular can turn with the 19PT and J6. The real problem is for the 8.7s and 9.0s that have to fight the 19, but it was the exact same for the 19 when it was 10.0 having to fight full teams of F4s because quantitative matchmaking didn’t apply in 10.0-10.7 matches if no 9.7s were present.

what you know that the 19s is also 9.7?

@@ClockPerfection shit is it? Last time i checked it was at 10.0

@@ClockPerfection that's way too low for both. Jesus decompress the BRs. 11.0 should be the max BR AT LEAST, why tf are we stuck with 10.7?

@@samuellatta6774 its the same br trust me

@@samuellatta6774 also we are stuck because gaijin like munching crayons

They add should. It has a radar assisted gun sight, but Gaijin doesn’t seem to like coding for them... because reasons.

how can i get it to work

I don't do direct requests I just kinda fly what i feel like flying. but you can always ask and suggest planes that i might not think about otherwise. Il fly it somewhere in the near future

You know what,when The AV8 shoot me down 100+ times. I finally deleted a folder call ‘War Thunder’.

@@MingkaiGuo I guess you just suck at dodging missles then

(which*) makes sense

@@g1v3n41 its mostly not about dodging missiles but beeing in a position to do so. if youre rushing in like hes most likely doing you wont be having a great time as i only takes one person a km or less behond you to send you to the hangar. you need to be careful at the start of thw game those airspawn mofos rain hell on you if you dont especially in a plane that has no cm. yes you can dodge most missiles if youre in the right position but if a missile is shot at you from close range wich means less than 2km and it tracks and isnt one of the lowtier ones you die simple as that. you wont be outpulling the missile and it wont burn out before it hits you. if youre side aspect its really fucking simple but those harriers slotting on your 6 from above can kill you easily if youre not aware so i would say no its not him beeing to stupid to dodge but rather him having no awareness

@@g1v3n41 when the famously awful spotter system decides to not tag anything on your six and all you see when looking behind is a clusterfuck of black dots mixing AI attackers with untagged players you just don't see the death stick coming.

same bro, defyn btw has been playing for years.

Speed and alt. Dont dogfight. Its a mig not a phantom

watch the video bro relax

Skill issue

more ammo reserves I guess

because the gas from the MiG19's guns could kill its engine, lol

@@_lo8241 stick them to where it dont get in the intake

You mean the mig19 without guns?

@@DEFYN please dude lol along with the Harriers and A7s, this the only plane they have on Warsaw that has flares and RWR . Lol i brought it back out again after the BR changes and its still difficult to fly but it feels so much better not having to deal with AIM9 Js all the time . Give it a try again !

@@DEFYN well it is Made In China

@@terloriaslolx3869 23s make me shudder

@@mrbones_7420 hell yea brother cant wait to phly that boi on malta this year :(

The trick with these is not to stay on him and shoot. You want to start with lead slightly bigger than you think you need and decreas until you hit. Alternatively, stall out people and then engage

Yeah they are very confusing to use, when you shoot them they look as if they have enough velocity to pull some shots they can't pull off. You need to lead more than what you think you should

flying su7 and enjoying the hrll outta them. hit like a truck, even with stock belt. i suggest using armored targets, for some reason HE shells are RNG

@@DeeKeyLP aphe explodes inside the plane, try and guess what happens next

That's easy. For the chat, you just put your mouse crosshair into the desired direction, then adjust the plane's roll so it only need to pull to go into that direction when opening chat. Also chat doesn't dissapear if you canceled the typing so keep that in mind. There is one quirky thing about looking around and mouse crosshair tho. When you hold C and then do keyboard maneuvers the plane will always go back to the mouse's direction. But if you hold C, look to a direction where you can't see the mouse crosshair and then do a keyboard maneuver, the mouse crosshair now follows your plane's nose and you have full control of your plane without mouse interruption as long as you keep holding C. That's basically what he's doing, but with faster juggling, more precision and good timing because of experience.

@@piscessoedroen gonna have to try it tomorrow and will report back if I understood that correctly or not

@@piscessoedroen ok so it was what I thought. However just by using w,a,s,d,q,e I was unable to reproduce the smooth plane guidance as with a mouse and Defyns videos it's so smooth that I would say he uses two mice, one for looking around and one for changing plane direction :-D

@@districtnull mans uses his feet to control the look around lmao

Nice try, Koala....

Possibly doesn't really matter anyway as you don't want to go slow

If it is a climbing spiral the mig 19 will win over the mig 21 bis

@@sherlocksinha2435 yeah, unless 21 kills it first with it's AoA

@@DeeKeyLP if that bis misses its first AoA pull and doesn't run away it'll be dead

@@piscessoedroen yeah, but it can and 95% of the time WILL run away :)

@@DeeKeyLP nah if a mig 21 does a high aoa pull and looses speed it will probably be caught by the mig 19 unless it can go supersonic since the mig 19 hates the sound barrier

Because nobody is playing 8.7-9.7 now that nobody wants to get clubbed by it.

most US players play av8 a7d f100 f104 and f4, so you See them everytime

Its never same tier. It's either up or down and you end up getting more downtiers the more you play it.

what? no. The 19S is the best 19 (only by a little, but better is better) All of them should go back to 10.0. it was perfect there

@@_lo8241 don't lie. They were struggling against the phantoms! They were the most useless jets.

@@CaSama Spitfire LF Mk9 struggles against the Kikka, I think we should move the LF to 5.0

@@CaSama he's right, let these things stay at 10.0, instead of downtiering, consider uptiering the toptier

@@piscessoedroen MiG19's belong at 9.7, they have no business fighting 10.7 jets. Especially the MiG19S with no missiles

Shut up :)

yes I agree and its just better not to take games serious less you plan better you will do and more fun you will have

Why do you think you can only see half the afterburner on the thumbnail lmao

@@DEFYN tru

Exactly people dont realize how good the mig19s actually is. I cant believe they bumped it down to 9.7 its absolutely shitting on everything now. Can you imagine fighting a mig19s in an 8.7 plane

@@rileyxbell yup 👍 I think mig19s complimented mig21 well in battle. I’d often die to one when trying to fight a bis/smt/smt. The only reason it’s going down is because it’s hard to play (I’m shit in them) but any half decent mig pilot could compete still. I can’t imagine trying to take one down in a hunter, g91 etc etc. Madness lol

@@rileyxbell Can you imagine BF109 G10 fighting F8F-2 Bearcat ? Can you imagine ME262 C fighting F86F-2 ? Can you imagine MiG15 BiS fighting F80C-10 ? Can you imagine F9F-8 Cougar fighting HO229 ? i can either ... because those matchups were in the game for YEARS ... os i dont have to imagine the absolute roflstomping the lower tier vehicle gets subjected to in those matchups ...

@@Asghaad so... Does that means mig19 should stomp 8.7?

@@piscessoedroen again how is that different from any other BR bracket... secondly 8.7s are protected by quantitative matchmaking rule which means only 3 Mig19s on the enemy team maximum (with high probability of one+ of the slots being taken by MiG21 F-13/ PFM or SU7 or Yak38 ...) that will be put up against things like A7D, F100D, Harriers etc ... and in my opinion T-2, Jaguar A and F104s with AiM9 B/E and no Sparrows should all go down to 9.7 to round out the NATO teams ... its happening anyway because most matches 9.7 get are currently 9.0-10.0 or 9.7 - 10.7 in about 50/50 split with ComBlock side 10.0s being filled in by German F104G

Armored targets seem to spark less

armored all the way

Pure he looks like a good choice but they tend to spark because they explode on contact. Aphe looks like it'll overpen but in reality its fuse is so sensitive it will explode inside the plane. Armored belt

Armored it is then. Thnx guys!

@@matiasdelafuente3106 I did a little experimenting, and it’s actually a trade-off. HE does immediate damage so it’s good for snapping wings, but the APHE is better at almost anything else, but will give you hits if you can’t hit center mass. Default gives you the best of both-worlds.

What about mig 21bis

@@obeyobay9146 top tier isn't really fun

@@obeyobay9146 The plane itself is shit. Only thing good are the missiles.

@@obeyobay9146 even with the best mig21 you will always miss flying this supersonic dogfighter

@@RossTheLoss The 21bis is an amazing aircraft when used correctly. Shouldn’t commit to turn fights unless you can secure yourself into a 1v1, and if you aren’t too heavy from the missiles then you can outturn a F4 for a while or reverse him once he does get on your six by pulling a vertical and then ruddering over to pull out of the stall.

Maybe it's because you are still full afterburning at the top of the loop ? Try to cut your throttle a little bit when you are at the top and that you are trying to go back down.

Every mig 19 have afterburner

Your comment came true. Very nice. Still though I think the only solution is decompression, the MiG-19 is a perfect example since 9.3 is way too low because of flight performance but 9.7 is too high with all that powercreep

mig 19s isn't terrible though its not a very good plane either.

How's it going, made much progression in 8 months?

Step 1: drop it and play chad mig 17 or F-5

my guy it's almost 3 years old

Damn. Mayb I should go to bed

I can agree. Either lock down 9.7 or make 11.0 a thing.

Mig-21 Is not exactly a succesor, did he replace them? Yes

Which mig 21 do you mean though?

@@ramonnoodles7840 F-13, PFM and the Chinese J-7II

dude, i love f13. it can do everything if you're patient and conscious.

currently tho i'm su7 guy lol. love it smh

meh

Considering there are no good Mig19 pilots Youl be fine :^)

gitgud

I’ve fought him before. I didn’t know he was a streamer, and he did pretty well, but my team had still won the match. I just thought he was another random player.

I would have out of 20 games about 2-3 games same br or lower. I have the 19s and feel as if It doesn't fly like the one in this video.

@@jaybyrd6777 It's getting better now and I hope it does it the future too, back when I posted it was literally hell.

​@@godlyghost3111That why they include stuff like RWR and Flares in MIG-21MF recently and lower MIG-19S BR. So its no longer suffering.

@@godlyghost3111 German not even get to use flashy ass aim-7 or radar missile stuff. They always lack behide when it come to new-weaponary at top tier don't you think? Remember when MIG-21MF at 10.7 need flying low because of those mofos F-4 with fully radar ass missile which defined top tier meta. For german event phantom I think it deserve to couter some premium like f5c bullcrap where it get plenty ass flares and easy-pz flight characteristics.

​@@godlyghost3111 If you talking about playing MIG-19S in recent patch... It is easier cuz they mostly fight uptier plane with IR Missiles in AirRB. Not when it were 10.0 or 9.7 before adding 11.0. (My first commenton in this vid) That why I reply with "@Jay Byrd It's getting better now and I hope it does it the future too, back when I posted it was literally hell." after they add 11.0 iirc.

Shut the fuck up

@@potatopilot_6784 no u

Hi you are doing potato pilot and rico's job stop stealing smh

@@potatopilot_6784 sry???

they are OP in a downtier, but can barely hold their own in an uptier. 10.0 - 9.7 planes are in a very iffy place right now

F4C was put at 10.3 in the same patch ... and Gaijin stated many MANY times moving BRs up is not an option as you cant simply just move planes up to 11.0 while the tanks are 10.7 max. You would have to revamp ground forces BRs completely to move the max BR up. considering 10.7s ground is basically current era vehicles be prepared to see a LOT more downtiering in the future as the contemporaries to Leopard 2A6 for example would be Eurofighter Typhoon, FA 18E Super Hornet or SU-37...

@@Asghaad they cry "muh q time" if they increase br cap for .3. I won't blame em for thinking like that tho, majority of the players are COD-minded players that makes toptier plays majority of cqc maps

@@piscessoedroen again they CANNOT move AiR RB battleratings up because they are tied to GROUND RB ... either they need to separate battleratings for the modes (which would be frankly ideal, things like G91 with 4 NORDs should be like 9.7-10.0 in ground not 8.7 ...) which would allow to spread the BRs in air up OR totally screw up ground RB battleratings by constantly shuffling the existing tanks to higher and higher BR ceiling as we are basially at the end of whats possible to implement in ground while we do not have yet planes ingame that flew in VIETNAM ... you know like F-14 Tomcat ... that would need something like BR 15+ if implemented properly xD

@@Asghaad i was referring to grb, also i'd rather have both the decompression and separate br for gamemodes. A-10 and any other modern attackers would be having weird matchmaking if they don't have separate gamemode br