Hitagami sabotaged his loved ones, and separated him from others... horrifically killing still more. Rudius came by his evil streak, naturally and honestly. I don't blame his character in the slightest.

But still hitogami will not die in his timeline

​@@srijaldahal8935 current time line there honestly no reason he doesn't die now. Orstead doesn't need to kill or even fight Laplace or Perugious and he also won't be going into the fight alone or wasting his mana to reach Hitogami.

@@HakzerYes but if you recall the last time Rudeus met Hitogami and was shown a vision of the future they sealed and didn’t kill him because if he died the human world might disappear.

This is why you also gotta end the bloodline, that’s basic villian 101 mangod should of just made sure that Rudy wouldn’t even be able to continue fighting 😂

Wait, what did "Oldeus" do?

@@LuAn-qh8le wait for the 4th Turning point pal, its much better to witness by yourself, unless you have the time to check the LN.. Or a fake MT fan spills the beans to you...

Fr lmao He said fuck you I'll live happily and waiting to see you in hell motherfuc-

​@@LuAn-qh8leIgnore all spoilers and witness it for yourself next season

That's why revenge leads resentment. Lowliest of human emotion

​@@dragonballthings688but if you cant get revenge harder to move on and make new life

Orsted didn't become a degenerate monster that coerced a mentally unstable Nanahoshi into giving up her research and becoming his woman. Orsted didn't spend the rest of his life slaughtering anyone in his way, innocent or not and pick up girls on the way

@@Macros9723 Orsted didn't pick up womens on left and right but he was slaughtering anyone who was in any way connected to Hitogami plus we don't know a lot about Orsted except that he did a lot but srslly a lot of regressions so u could already tell that across all of this he must have killed more than just Hitogami followers. His mentality u could see on first encounter with Rudeus and the moment he find out that he knows about Hitogami. He didn't ask more questions but just went for a kill. And yes later Orsted healed him but not because he was piting him but because of Nanahoshi. If only take away Old Rudeus heinous acts u have literaly walking machine that anihilated anyone who stand on his way, same way as Orsted did.

​@dragonballthings688 yeah he should just learn to accept the sadistic "man" that ruined his life and countless others. 🙃

I wonder how they're gonna include the old rudeus plot in the anime

Maybe an Ova?

Would be a good idea👍👍👍

Oldeus was a pervert tho 🤔🤔

​@@Main-Villainold rudeus is worse than just a pervert. He was a monster.

Movie*

Maybe a movie if anything but id rather they just keep animating the series as it is completed and maybe that movie idea afterwards so they can give the sequel time before they animate that

They'd have to skip a lot tho. After Roxy's death he became a depressed drunk that hardly went home and eventually started having sex with prostitutes which caused Sylphy to leave him and join Ariel's attempt to seize the throne which led to her death. Finding Sylphy's mutilated body hanging from the castle is probably what started his rampage as he destroyed the entire kingdom and became a one man army bent on revenge and fueled by hatred (including self hatred)

@@Marcus-oc4mw oldeus was a meance

@@nickgalvan2956 life hit him bad. Everyone he loved was mostly dead so he said screw the world I'm taking everyone down

Nukes Ashura kingdom when he finds Silphy dead

yeah It would have been so much better if current gets such power ups or we get to old's techniques

Anime onlys

​@@harshitpant07current/new rudeus dies of old age

No, he did it before Rudeus even born because he feared Orsted.

​@@shlakoblokun6994 Shhhh, don't tell them. Rudy glazers exist everywhere, thinking OldDeus is above Orsted 😂 and current Rudy (despite being stated to be bellow OldDeus) is strongest any anyone shown in the story. Some people even whank that Rudy can kill Orsted if they fight again for round 3 as if Orsted would just watch him prep again 😂 Point is, considering their numbers, Rudy Glazers will always win. Cause you will inevitably miss 1 word and they'll use that crack in the argument to break you down.

Not that it matters cause it's his daughter that ends up beating mangod with orsted

He stayed way weaker than dark time line like dark time line improved healing do u know what that means? There are 9 levels of healing orsted are on the 7 regenerating cut of limbs the 9 is reviving freshly dead people and he improved on that and created a whole new magic gravity lol and time travel maby if he had more time he could have perfected it and time traveled with no consequences

Like if it was the main time line it would have been fire a the auther would have could’ve created a way for rudy to get a longer life span like Dragen blood or demon blood or some dragon human contract or some demon eye and I would have loved it way more than the story we now have where the mc dosint have mc energy and is barely top 10 and it would have been amazing to have an op mc who is at least top 3

​@@qqqqqqqqqqq9494So generic isekai? Xd

​@@qqqqqqqqqqq9494that wouldn't be a fire anime lmao, just your typical generic trashekai OP mc Harem trope like Wisemans grandchild, god I hate that anime so bad.

He tried to find him, but fail. There are some theory about this 1. Due to Rudeus large manapool and his capability of magic, Orsted always try to avoid Rudeus since fighting him would use alot of mana which would make another failed loop. 2. Orsted going suicide since he see no hope of winning against Hitogami in Oldeus timeline

​@@adhimasfathi6116Option 2 is the most plausible

​@@user-dm9fx9qn8c honestly i dont think orsted is the type of person to end a loop mid way through. I'd feel like he goes through every loop till the end to get as much information he can for the next loop.

​@@mustafahassan7781bro in one of the loops, he ate a poisonous fish and died but since it's tasty for him his next loop he ate it again then died again.

@@animeedits3984 Ok nvm then 😅

Nah he most likely didn’t kill Isolte Cruel. Isolte held no grudge against Rudeus. She later went on to become water god and marries Doga, a water emperor.

Water God and the North Emperor Auber were the one who killed sylphy and ariel. So he most likely killed the water god not isolte

​@@ipot03no..... Its WN version, not the final product The real one is in the LN which is oldeus only capable defeat emperorish fighter not god rank

@@FlaccidPlatypus Oldeus timeline.

@ipot03 From the Light Novels. Shortly after Turning Point 4, Rudeus reads Oldeus' journal, and it specifically mentions an unnamed North Emperor and a Water Emperor. We know in retrospect that it would have been Water God Reida Reia and North Emperor Auber Corvette, who killed Sylphe and Ariel in the original timeline. It's all but stated that the North Emperor Oldeus kills is Auber. So, it's either an editorial mistake, and it was supposed to be "Water God defeated." Or we can assume that given how old the Water God was, she passed away from old age. This makes Isolte Cruel the next best target for Oldeus' vengeance.

Because even though he is a great ally Hitogami wouldnt be targetable until well after Rudy is dead. Oldeus was already helping Orstead by taking out Hitogamis other disciples and/or helpers.

Who is oldeus? Old rudues?

@@Mohit-ct1qs yeah

But piece creates happiness

"Hard times creates strong people. Strong people create good times. Good times create weak people. Weak people create hard times."

That's not really true here

​@@moteroargentino7944specifically men.

Not necessarily. I really hate that phrase.

It’s fitting with the time travel that oldeus does

@@asves4536No like, he meant ​it's so good that it's making him emotional. (This song is also connected to a sad incident from steins gate)

It hits hard

no

No. That's a horrible idea.

I think the idea is good, but not done "That" way

@FenLupimo I mean I am more to listen to other spins on it it's just a thought and I think it's intresting because it would allow for a good excuse to hear inner dialog more often think dragon ball z abridged with what they did with piccolo kami and nail. Just you know less comedy

Cliché

Huh Oldeus not only mastered gravity magic but also lightning magic, he even displayed it right in front of Rudeus, and has an even deeper understanding of magic, maybe on par with Orsted, stating to his younger self that magic is nigh omnipotent, as long as you have enough mana, which both of them have plenty off. He looked down on Atofe which he has the right to, and Atofe feared him, Oldeus only almost died due to his arrogance because Moore, Atofe’s underling, because of a surprise attack and only survived due to that timeline’s Eris saving him. This is a Rudeus that has reached his maximum potential with zero external forces helping him.

​​@@David-lc5uiHave you even read LN? Rudeus mastered lightning magic back in volume 12, and later used it against Atoffe in volume 13. Also, nowhere was it said that Atoffe was afraid of Oldeus, this is your speculation The diary does not say what magic he was able to master, which means it is impossible to draw conclusions about his level of magic. But unlike Oldeus, Rudeus learns from Orsted, so Oldeus is unlikely to be ahead of him It is unlikely that Oldeus and Rudeus will ever be ahead of Orsted and Laplace in magical knowledge, Rudeus has other advantages, due to being reborn from another world, he uses magic more creatively, and comes up with his spells like an atomic explosion, if Laplace, for example, knew similar spells, he won would go to war by simply destroying all cities except Millision

​​@@user-dm9fx9qn8c Rudeus just learned to have good control and direction of lightning magic Oldeus learned several methods for lightning magic he literally learned to use it in several ways like how he made his hands go electric when he got angry and charred the table a little Rudeus can only shoot and feel numbness in his fingers when he does. Well, it's true, but it was well demonstrated that Oldeus was superior in that fight and Atofe was only saved by Moore. Orsted didn't teach much about magic since he couldn't do direct demonstrations he gave more tips on combat style, what to do against wizards and swordsmen and tips for the future. It's difficult to know Oldeus' full repertoire of spells since he literally read all the information the dragon tribe left behind and left it all in a separate research in your diary.

To clarify, Oldeus looks down on the Demon Kings and Atofe, and yeah current Rudeus has Orsted but Oldeus was vastly more experienced and was on his own and killed anything or anyone Hitogami related, weak or strong. I’m saying Rudeus is weak in conviction compared to Oldeus which unearthed more of his potential, even implying his younger self to basically grow some balls cause he’s a man.

@@Lipe326 Rudeus can also use lightning in many ways, which is why he can literally create lightning from his hand, when for example Roxy, for lightning you need to create clouds. Oldeus does not know all the information of the dragon tribe, the only thing that is known is that, thanks to the ruins of the dragon race, he learned the location of Hitogami and learned about the magic of time. Orsted, who has been accumulating knowledge for 20 thousand years and studying spells and techniques, knows more information and can give this information. Orsted taught magic, at least he taught Rudeus the Urupen technique to save mana. Again, there is not a single proof that Oldeus is stronger than Rudeus, he fought with people only at the emperor level(not God)

Time travel overwrote the timeline so there is no branch. This is the first and only time orated met rudeus

@HamguyBacon So rather than time travel it was more like time rewind?

​@@moteroargentino7944yo lo veo como que orsted tiene magoa de tiempo, y rudeus directamente uso la magia gtavitatoria con su conocimiento de fisica y viajo el pasado sin la boludez de magia, rewindeando el tiempo

​@@Mindfever20 Bud, Rudy didn't even finish highschool. He doesn't have the IQ or knowledge on how to use gravity alone in breaking space time and do time travel. Rudy used magic to time travel, that's it. Why do you think he died? Cause he lacked mana. If he used gravity to bust a hole in the universe, then he could've not entered and do it again.

what its name?

but due to gravity manuplation and various types of electical and lightning speel oldeus would win yeah MK0 is very powerful but oldeus has upperhand

No, Rudeus also masters the lightning spell, from Chapter 12 before meeting Oldeus, and he learns gravity magic in his old age, as seen in Volume 26. Even without them, MK0 is stronger than Oldeus’ MK, which means Rudeus has more chances in close combat.​@@The_Tsundere_Hahari

Rudeus learns gravity magic in his old age, as seen in volume 26. That's why Rudeus is stronger than Oldeus

@@user-dm9fx9qn8c yeah it can go either way it comes down to oldeus' experience and knowledge of magic and gravity manuplation and MK0's durability and their stamina oldeus has more magic and different types of magic up his sleeve rudeus don't know many lightning spells he uses only 2-3 (normal lightning,electric and The dense and large light pillar he used in vol26) and about gravity magic he don't know how to use it it's just happens sometimes like in fight with kalman III and saving his grandaughter

@@The_Tsundere_Hahari Rudeus mastered gravity magic at least in his old age, as seen in the scene with Ferris, his great-granddaughter. Rudeus is as good at lightning attacks as Oldeus. Little is known about Oldeus's full magical power, but considering that Rudeus also learned a lot of spells from Orsted, such as the technique of Urupen, Orsted's predecessor, I doubt that Rudeus is inferior to Oldeus, who was involved in drinking for several years, and only after meeting Hitogami again, he pulled himself together and tried to find strength alone, unlike Rudeus, who immediately after meeting Orsted was immersed in the thick of events, like the coup in Asura and began to study with Orsted

Healing magic King rank and above needs a whole book of chanting. That kind of thing suits Sylphy with her chantless healing though she could only use 2-3 times with her limited mana. Rudy couldn't do chantless healing magic. He's too busy with other things to have time for that.

Yeah he died because it was imperfect I mean he only got one shot and fucked it up that said he succeeded in his goal

​@@rickgood1997No it was perfect, the mana cost just exceeded his mana pool so he cut off parts of his body and organs so he could time travel and thats why he died.

Time Travel magic was designed by him, but time magic isn't. What do you think Orsted is using? Cause it certainly isn't rock magic 😂 There's also the fact that the way Dragon Revival works, they send their souls INTO THE FUTURE and find a good host in there. This is why people can't stop it cause there is nothing to stop when the dude is literally not in the same timeline anymore.

@@thepieofyourlife4799 who's orsted? hitogami's apostle?

Completely opposite, he's his sworn enemy ​@@er4o4.14.

Even now he already stronger

@@strikerz55 definitely not. Oldeus has way more battle experience and techniques.

@@FlaccidPlatypus wahahhaahaha ofc oldeus can never defeat rudeus Oldeus never fought North god, ogre god, death god,experiencing gul swords techniques nor having daily training with sword emperor eris (in qna she is emperor in strength) , didnt get taught by orsted who knew every magic and techniques AS well the combos used in the World ,didnt have mk 0 and mk 1 since zanoba and cliff was not alive in his time, Oldeus only fought atofe and lose, fought North emperor and water emperor ( LN) Nothing in oldeus Arsenal that can bring him to win againts rudeus Gravity? Yah..... Funny even orsted didnt use it since it wasnt all that good in fight againts god rank opponent If gravity is so great, Alex would've been beat death god, sword god, yet he loses to them every loop ( confirmed by orsted)

@@strikerz55 gravity and telekinesis

@@FlaccidPlatypus Yeah I also seem to recall Oldeus even managed to learn how to use touki (the technique used by swordsmans to reinforce their bodies with their mana). Not sure on the details though. It might not have been as good as normal touki as there was a very specific reason normal timeline Rudeus couldn't use it. But Oldeus went down a path of destruction and he managed to learn it out of necessity and even then it was probably difficult for him to maintain. At least that's what I've been told anyways. Main timeline Rudeus will never learn even the basic form of it.

No

Are you Orsted because you're like Rudeus? Or are you Rudeus because you're like Orsted? (I'm sorry, I'm not gonna reference Jujutsu Kaisen again)

@@FenLupimo Water God Ryda/Gisu/Badigadi: Nah I'd win.

No, this short is just about spoilers. But if you want to know: In the future the man-god tricks Rudeus, leads him to do the things stated in this short (becoming a terrible person basically). We call this rudy Oldeus, cuz he old. He invents time travel magic, goes back in time, and prevents Rudy from falling down his path

@@down2006 that indeed was peak mushoku tensei... reading down oldeus's diary really had me in tears the entire time the current rudeas was reading it... the saddest turning point of all time

Roxy crystallised, eris body was cut in half in front of him , sylphy getting crucified and zanoba and aisha getting chopped into small pieces .

What the fuck? Where how why

​​​@@Angel-vx4pmThe alternate Rudeus (young Oldeus) cheated on Sylphie. They had a big big argument which ended with Sylpie leaving Rudeus to help Princess Ariel in her rebellion to take over the Asuran Throne. It failed, and they got massacred. Rudeus tried to chase Sylphie to apologize to her but he only saw her mutilated headless corpse full of bruises and cuts, and and then saw her stoned head hung on the pole in the public plaza. Rudeus then mindbroke and went berserk and massacred as many Asuran soldiers as possible

@@nicoleuswhite2192 yeah she deserves better

if that happened i would have dropped the series at that point. I would have become just another self inserted op protagonist broken because of yes (like in that anime form last season ragna crimson or somtheing like that, realllllyyyy boring)

Tbh compared with the current Rudeus the only difference is gravity magic and a couple things, but that's about it

Magic is extremely versatile. Even if water god style is a counter to magic, Oldeus fought emperor level swordman casually and has the skill, experience, versality to find a way to win. Btw even if he didn’t kill a god level swordman, u think hitogami a god and him wanting to kill hitogami while being weak would accomplish it? He has to become strong and with the motivation and dedication, this would strengthen his mentality to truly fight gods

Old guy has more experience

He littery died before he could

@@AoharuObby couldn't he have written it before just like with the diary? Im not sure since all my knowledge came from this channel lol

​@@slicenjiotaku2443the thing is, in Mushoku Tensei (on the anime you can see it) people can't just see the future to know what's the best route (except for the Hitogami fuck"er), so Oldeus couldn't know all the time he would've died there, everything that goes wrong on Mushoku Tensei feels like a recognization error, things that even if people think 10 steps ahead, they can still fail the eleventh step just by bad luck

@@slicenjiotaku2443it hard to practice magic with just writing lol

@@panda-dn2ccRudy learned magic through writing

You must watch old anime.. Stein gate and fate stay night... You will got that reference😮

In the LN (IIRC LN 15 is when this happens) Oldeus leaves behind a diary and time-travels back in time to warn Rudy. So it's a condensed series of events the reader knows is about the past. A lot of us want the anime to adapt it as a fake-out though

Approximately the time line restarts its a good way to deal with time paradox or else there would be 100 timelines considering how many timelines osterd created 😅

Rudeus speculate he just die because he leaps instantly to time before rudeus go to basement, but if he make several leap while waiting his mana recover he can survive the time travel.

​@xilumlightdreemur7326he was drunk when he used it. Had he done small jumps of time travel he would have survived the journey.

Not exactly he lack his will power Desire and courage a good example is how our Rudeos fear fighting strong opponents and as such can’t be able to use his all old Rudeos did not fear death so he fought against emporer level swordsman while Rudeos ran away from them.

Nope, but rudeus did end up using the armor's idea from it

For healing magic he probably just used circles, so current Rudeus is caught up on that and although the old Rudeus mastered gravity magic, rudeus seemed to start to grasp around vol 26... When it comes to why the lack of annotations on discoveries the current Rudeus assumed the other just had that much confidence in his massive amount of mana

It's all part of the same story, it's just a continuous event, after he meets the old Rudeus he starts reading the diary, it's not like that much content, it can probably be done within 1 or 2 anime chapters

Nope... he just one another time line

If hitomgami or someone else kill old rudeus... The time line just continue... With the end rudeus future become like old rudeus... He use time magic... And in another time line too

If you wanna know the reference... This like doraemon... When nobita call his future self... He must pay the price and what he pay his... He must time loop too the place when call him too

Past future - future past... Then different about all Time line...they got some clue from they self in the future to make it better and better

Thousand sacrife just for the best time line... Same like re zero😅

Orsted didn't look like the type who worked with others before Nanahoshi came into the picture and later Rudeus. Besides Oldeus was a bitter old man, there is no doubt that he may harbor hatred towards Orsted as well given that he is the Dragon God. So regardless if Oldeus and Orsted shared a common enemy, I doubt Oldeus would even be able to stomach working together with him. For all we know, Orsted may not have wanted him because of how self-destructive Oldeus is in the future timeline.

@@ArmoredLord turning point 4 prove your first statement wrong... Your second paragraph does not make any sense to me.. He slaughter an entire army, rape women and do a lot of shitty things so I don't get what would he not able to "stomach" working with Orsted... he seeks beings that may have knowledge of Hitagomi, I believe that's the reason why he fought Atofe... He knows damn well Orsted hates and want to kill Hitagomi.... You may be right that Orsted don't want Olduest given the nature Oldues has... But here we are back to my question... Why didn't Oldues seek orsted????

@@miguelherras1148 We don't know. It was never clarified in the Light Novel. I was just making guesses and theories of why both sides had never encountered each other.