i followed her since she started and now she is famus and talking to vg that makes me so happy and gives hope. she made a lot of ppl think about veganism in germany

She turned me Vegan, infinitely thankful for her activism!

0:00 - Introduction & Background 2:24 - Activism & how you make a living? 6:42 - Where did you first hear about the Holocaust comparison? 15:14 - Holocaust analogy within vegan movement 32:07 - Friendly vs aggressive activism approaches, Public perception & Optics 54:00 - Tiktok ban, good or bad thing? 57:00 - Fake vegans & vegan cats 1:05:41 - Equestrian Vegans: The Ethics of Horse Riding 1:24:52 - Culling carnivorous animals & Wild Animal Suffering 1:27:35 - Antinatalism, Efilism, Pro-extinction, and Moral anti-realism & nihilism 1:45:36 - Vegan infighting & intersectionalism 1:59:22 - Lighter Side: Lottery Dreams and Vacation Plans 2:04:48 - outro summary 2:09:29 - final outro

Richard’s methods worked on me 8 years ago and I’ve been vegan ever since. It wasn’t too harsh for me. I realized I could change and that was enough for me so I did

Das Crossover auf das ich seit Jahren gewartet habe

She is easily one of the best activists

She seems cool. I work with doctors in the US, she's def right.

Horses are meant to be in the wild. Nothing is more beautiful than free horses running around going where they want to go with their own group. If letting them go free isn't possible I agree with the militant vegan when it comes to riding horses 😊

I went vegan 8 years ago, largely because of you, VG. Never once knowingly cheated, will never stop. Most people closest to me have also gone fully or mostly vegan. You have quite some impact, man.

Best conversation I've listened to in a long time. Put a lot of the most critical and modern vegan thoughts into a clear, respectful 2hrs, super awesome.

love this collab ! shes huge in germany/austria she debatet dozens of public figures

Ryan from Happy Healthy Vegan actually did respond in comments under one of his recent videos that he feeds cats vegan, he even gave a link of a particular brand.

I relate to her so much about how she couldn't stand working around snobbish "intellectuals". I went to school for chemistry and being around other scientists was so miserable. The massive egos and daily pissing contests are not worth the stress. I am much happier working for my husbands small business where we refurbish electronics, than I was as a chemist.

I was vegetarian for 30 years and she made me live vegan. That was 1.5 years ago.💚🇩🇪🌱

she made me vegan

Very grateful for her work😊😊😊♥️♥️♥️ Animal slavery is UNACCEPTABLE!💚💚💚🐮🐔🐖♥️♥️♥️

You cannot excercise a horse without riding them? I did not expect that argument for animal use from Richard. Anyway here are some ways horses can get excercise without being ridden: 1. Lunging: Lunging involves having the horse move in circles around you on a long line while you stand in the center. This helps to build muscle. 2. Groundwork: Groundwork exercises, such as leading the horse through obstacles, practicing yielding hindquarters or forequarters, and teaching them to back up, can help with balance, and coordination. 3. Longeing: Longeing is similar to lunging but typically involves the horse moving in larger circles on a long line or in a round pen. It can help improve fitness and responsiveness. 4. Equine agility: Setting up an agility course with obstacles like poles, cones, and bridges can engage the horse both physically and mentally. In any case, nonhuman animals are not commodities for us to use and exploit.

On the subject of whether the goods and bads in life are worth living through, Richard says he does think they are worth it. That's good that he is in a position to think this and his life isn't so bad right now he would rather never have been, but it is then a stretch to claim on top of that (I don't know if Richard would claim this) that it is then okay to use this as a basis to justify creating someone else. 1) You can accept the pros and cons of life for yourself by continuing to exist, but making that decision on behalf of someone else is another thing entirely. 2) Continuing a life and starting a life are very different things. Richard already exists and has the inbuilt evolutionary desire to continue existing, amongst other desires. However, when considering starting a life there is no one in existence to desire coming into existence or the "goods" in life that Richard experiences. I have made a video on this which contains more detail. It's called ""Most People Enjoy Life" Is Not A Reason to Have Kids".

she made me go vegan :)

Damn that's a good-looking vegan, the Militante veganerin ain't so bad herself either :p

vegan 4 years and already advocating so hard, good job!

Loving this conversation. Raffaela is an awesome activist🤩

You two should collab on a regular basis it seems you have very similar beliefs. GOAT vegans right here

I kinda like this new video format. Don’t get me wrong I love the streams but having something abit more private/new as a video is also good

Please don't judge. I became Vegan on my own (watching movie Okja). I knew nothing about Veganism, never saw any vegan activist. I just made the connection on my own. My doggies were still eating the "bad food", but about 6 months later I realized, wait a minute...my doggies deserve better and should not be eating tortured animals. Now they are eating HALO Vegan food mixed with oats, blueberries, peas, carrots... They are thriving. This was 7 years ago. My doggies are healthy and their poop does not smell :o) My 3 other rescue dogs I had before I was Vegan passed away very young (cancers, hormonal diseases). So now my husband is Vegan as well, my rescue doggies are Vegan, my Mom is Vegan, my cousin is Vegan and my step daughters just became Vegan. #vegan4animals

Yes, horse riding is wrong, it is not whether they get enough exercise, it is the fact they are owned, imprisoned, they become a commodity, devoid of family and community. They can exercise themselves and do if given a big enough space, but they should not be bred and owned in the first place.

Veganism is the ethical principle that humans should live without using and exploiting non human animals. The definition shared here is subjective and inaccurate. Veganism is not about reducing animal suffering and it's not even about animal deaths or the "right to life". It's about the USE and EXPLOITATION of non human animals by humans. Discussing rights violations opens up doorways on supporting using animals (riding them, eating their secretions etc.) which goes against the the vegan principle. Sitting on top of an animal goes against the vegan principle. That shouldn't be happening for exercise or for any other reason. Calling animals "it" keeps them in that objectifying bracket. They are individuals and if someone doesn't know their name, she, he, him her, they or them. Animals are not objects, slaves, commodities and resources. It's not ok to eat animals that die in your house. It's not ok to eat someone's secretions, regardless of it's a vegan world or not. It's not ok to ride animals. Those things still has a view point of animals as resources which goes against veganism. Veganism targets the oppressor mentality for animals and it's a rejection of the idea that animals are here for humans to use and to exploit. Regardless of treatment and regardless of the situation. The wild animal suffering rehtoric. Very detrimental to the animals. Intersectionalism is pure cancer to this movement. Comforting knowing the stances you guys have on this. Both of your platforms are huge and thank you both for your strong voices for the animals. It would just be more effective to become more informative about veganism so that way it can be advocated more effectively and accurately. I held myself accountable to my faulty rehtoric too. It's not always easy to hear feedback. Hopefully this comment can be read with an open mind. ✌🏼 The success of veganism isn't measured by what we do. It's not even measured by how many vegans there are. The animal's success is measured by the number of shackles broken and the number of animals emancipated. -Entyce

Hey Richard, here's a way to make a horse run without riding on their back: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbdkmaWmtJ6dhJc.html *Amazing video girl on rollerblades races her horse* And here's another one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r6uSp72n29XVm30.html *Roller skating with horse* Alternatively, one could use a bicycle or e-bike to run their horse or use a mountain bike for more off-trail terrain. There's no need to sit on their back to exercise them. I hope, it's okay, that I linked those 2 short clips of non-riding horse exercising. I hope this helps people to rethink horse-back-riding and I will do another comment about this without the links in case this comment gets filtered out. Thank you, for what you do for the animals

For me it's a question of communication / activism strategy. Richard's & Raffaela's ways to communicate *can* be effective to reach some people, and at the same time 'less abrasive' tactics *can* reach *other kinds* of people. I don't think there's a definite 'right' way. In your choice of activism, I guess the best strategy for you is the one that feels the most authentic to deliver. A more 'sociable' method that keeps you from burning out right away surely also has its place. [edit2: okay, Richard also says this from 48-49mins onwards. lol] There's a realistic point to be made about how long we we'll have to steadily keep doing this until the momentum takes over. Encouraging people to do different kinds of activism (with the condition of arguing for ABOLISHMENT) > discouraging someone from a kind of activism that might feel authentic to their capacities. [edit1: 37.5min onwards, Raffaela seems to voice the same opinion.] We all have limited energy to spend, and should be free to choose if that is in bursts or slow waves, if that makes sense. I hope the more vegan society gets, the more relatable the holocaust comparison will become for more and more people. It's pretty obvious though that a lot of people aren't at that point yet where they can relate those two things. Until then, that particular one might not be an effective approach and they'll be more likely convinced by something else. To paint a picture, some like to be kicked in their ass by the truth, and others want to be held by their hand while walking through a door leading to it. Both is understandable.

There are ways to make a horse run without riding on their back. Video title: *"Amazing video girl on rollerblades races her horse"* Or another video here on KZfaq: *"Roller skating with horse"* Alternatively, one could use a bicycle or e-bike to run their horse or use a mountain bike for more off-trail terrain. There's no need to sit on their back to exercise them.

Such a refreshing person. Smart, quick, honest - thanks for the interview VG

shit she makes me realize i should stop being a rere and talk about the ethical position of veganism instead of the climate or health thats usualy what i would bring up to people but i think im gonna change the way i approach it with people this interview was great thanks to the both of you wonderful people!

makes me happy to watch two of my favorite people talking to each other 💜

Love her so much. She speaks so honestly and boldly. A great advocate for animals!

when she mentioned onlyfans Vegan gains not even 1/8th of a second “whats your only fans???” lol

You’re not on track with the horse argument, Richard. To make a horse run while on their back would also require scaring or kicking them into that state. But let’s say they chose to full speed gallop, how are you going to control them or slow them down without force? They also kick up their heels or buck when they full speed gallop, good luck staying on and if you can’t stay on then you’ve put that horse in a very dangerous position. As a former professional horse trainer, I can tell you that your hypothetical here isn’t practical or potentially even possible.

Uoooooh! The interview I waited for! (Greetings from Germany)

Never heard of her 2mins in and looking forward to this VG you seem to be a good interviewer

You said it yourself Richard they do no exercise naturally, they only need freedom

The Collab I needed!!!!!❤❤❤🎉🎉

They say, "never forget," but get offended when it happens in other cases. The whole point of never forgetting is so it doesn't happen again to others. How do you stop it from happening again when you can call it out when it does happen? It's definitely happening to the animals.

So she just admitted it is okay to eat a found dead mice and eating abandoned eggs. I wondered

Efilism is right that suffering has objective value, but I dont think we have moral responsibility for the animals we didn't breed - wild animals. Yes their suffering is bad, but we dont have moral responsibility for them.

what a beautiful person. Animal liberation Now!

I mean, rewinding definitely would increase pain and suffering. There are trillions suffering in the wild. There is far more suffering in the world than VG makes it appear. Trillions are suffering as I type. Humans are mostly miserable(there are 8 billion of us), and we have the best chance of a happy life. Do you honestly think the blips of happiness/well being outweighs the suffering on this planet? No moral person would allow existence to keep going if they had the power to end it. There most definitely is a wrong and right answer. I'd rather not exist than be a prey animal and get eaten alive in the wild(and living in constant fear). Non-existence is preferable to existence. "Life" was great before I was born. Lol

so happy to hear Richard is back on the mushies, hearing him defend horse riding was a fucking weird one though. Horses shouldn’t exist out of the wild. I was lucky enough to see wild horses in Turkey and they travel so much also: gambling is as dumb as it gets

Efilism sounds a little nuts, it is suggested the Earth has had 5 major extinction and likely we will go extinct even without purposely trying to do so.

I dk why but I really do love watching these while enjoying argentinian steak.

Weights could be used to give horses exercise. But then if that is done big point of allmost every horse confinement would lose point. That gives you great question: are vegans who ride (part of a) problem. I just heard Raffaela said that they could put weights on them.

1:33:00 but you're not The mouse getting run over. you saying that from The human standpoint, The least subject to suffering at The hands of another species there is. oh, and about The horses, "probably" doesn't cut it. because they probably will get fat if you don't ride them isn't reason to ride them. horses are also very NICE animals, they will let you ride them regardless of how they feel, many times not even noticing their stance, especially when they're stuck with you, because you "rescued" them (not saying you didn't but you are rescuing them FROM man not anything else) & their ONLY chance of survival is to be under you as a property. 😩

this woman is just so amazing!👏👏👏

1:59:34 🤦 why are you playing the lottery. Go donate to animalcharityevaluators for the animals, or give it to your activist friends. Passive vegans need to recognise the term 'animal abuse bystanders'. Although you have done a great job so far. Discard this comment if it's an overall negative expectation.

vegan gains made me go 100% vegan overnight back in 2015, best decision of my life🗣️

Zum Thema Efilismus habe ich folgende Meinung. Ich habe mir auch den Account von Proextinction angesehen. Ich finde nicht, dass das Leiden die positiven Erfahrungen aufwägen kann und ich seh selbst in negativen und leidvollen Erfahrungen einen Wert, den die Nicht-Existenz in keiner Form hat. Leiden als negativ abzustempeln ist subjektiv. Ich weiß nicht, ob Tiere resilient sein können, aber Menschen sind resilient. Es ist ein Teil unserer Psyche auch aus den abgrundtief schlimmsten Erfahrungen etwas positives zu machen. Natürlich nicht in der aktuen Situation, aber von außen betrachtet, und das meine ich nicht spirituell. Selbst ein leidvolles Leben, hat einen Wert, den man anerkennen muss, und auch dieser Mensch (und vllt auch Tier) kann zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt durch und zurückblickend auf diese Erfahrung resilient Glück verspüren, und allein dieses positive Gefühl sehe ich als alleinige Wertung dieser negativen Erfahrung. Die Möglichkeit nimmt man diesem Lebewesen natürlich, wenn man es tötet und ihm das Recht auf Leben nimmt. Nichtsdestotrotz bewerte ich subjektiv positive (nicht-leidvolle) Erfahrungen immer als wertvoller als die negativen Erfahrung und daa dient auch als Begründung für elementare Rechte. Aber beides hat einen Wert und ist besser als die Nicht-Existenz.

I unsubscribed to simnett nutrition as soon as I found out that he does not feed his cats vegan. I was very disappointed, now i suspect that most of the plant based food influencers are not actually vegan, especially when they never mention animal rights.

Interesting listening to Vegan Gains why get to ride horses. The closest they came to arguing. 😅

These two aren’t afraid to talk straight facts about animal rights. We’re lucky to have brave people like them in this movement.

German here, where did you find the vegan cat food? Thanks in advance!

That thumbnail thou

any Vegan, contact me regarding disease reversal. Veganism will NOT make you healthy per say ;) but it will make me want to do business with you due to your integrity and compassion xo

She seems fun. Real fun energy she gives off

People who callously abuse animals intentionally or unintentionally are missing out on a more spiritually elevated way of being a human which is to be in connection with love, with others, and with all the wonderful creatures that we live with.

She is awesome 😎

Ed winters is the best vegan activist we have. You have to adapt the message to the audience. You just alienate people using those words...Your ego stains your activism

What a badass. And what a badass.

Vegangains u my hero

you watch spongebob too? that's crazy! spongebob is awesome! and yo, that that spoon clacking vid man, like you said you do that key and peele type stuff that spoon clacking vid was awesome plz bring it back🙏🏽

Hmmm, suggesting we should ban casinos while promoting your only fans. So only addictions that aren't bringing you money are evil?

Damn, she is cute!

38:35 interesting analogy about the tribe like nature of humans. Wanting to fit in.

I like the fact that you give a chance to activists with smaller following to come on your platform. And it was a very good interview. I hope you'll invite more activists, maybe both with small and big followings and just talk about vegan activism.

Österreich ist sehr schön. Ich lerne jetzt Deutsch. Thanks for linking her channel 💅

Good work, thanks for bringing them on I'll definitely start following their work. On the subject of Efilism, tread lightly, the philosophy and argument extends beyond merely focusing on suffering; it also includes the critical issue of consent violation. Its proponent and creator, Inmendham, argues for value realism, which contrasts starkly with the notion of subjective morality which I find illogical. While objective morality is full of baggage... often linked to outdated religious doctrine so on face value it's not fun or easy subject to broach... many contemporary non-religious ethicists ground it in realism. Personally me and inmendham see no use for the term "morality" as it's tainted. value-realism is the subject. Is it a value-laden universe or not? it is not necessary to call TRUE/REAL right or wrong Objective, because if objective is defined as mind-independent than without minds there's nothing right/wrong to happen to, therefore THE discussion should be just regarding what is TRUE or NOT, subjective doesn't necessarily mean mere contrived opinion or preference but can be logical conclusion, e.g. you can conclude 2 + 2 = 4 as we understand these concepts of numbers to model reality but can you call it objective or mind-independent 2 + 2 = 4, or that math exists? Not really. As you require a modeler to model reality, an observer to make the observation, a mind to come to such accurate conclusions. To me, claiming there is no real right or wrong is akin to asserting that moral standards and ultimately the subject of Ethics is as fictitious as religion or Santa Claus, you just believe it cause you want to or have preference to. Why maintain this pretense if it's all a mere fabrication / contrivance? Regarding subjective judgments such as determining "What's the tastiest potato chip or the most beautiful painting?", these are not factual assessments about the things themselves, The question itself is misleading, because the thing itself has none of those qualities objectively, Instead, such qualities are OUTPUTs generated by the interaction of our bodies and minds with these INPUT items, the input is quite arbitrary/irrelevant, unlike the highly meaningful & distinct output generated of positive or negative experiences. You might get off more on certain female body part than another, it doesn't matter, the output positives & negatives is more or less same among individuals and that's what's relevant... not what specific fun or hobby gets you or them off or pushes their buttons. It can be TRUE that a certain food item is the tastiest to that personal individual, or gross to another, and we can talk about intersubjective truths with averages overall. But one's experience of what is tastiest for them doesn't contradict another's, they can both be true for them individually, as you are likely not even sharing the same exact experiences to judge differently. And one's very perception or framing of the experience changes the experience itself, no way around this truth. Some people find bricks tasty or edible, just how their brain is wired. It's important to recognize that differing opinions of personal taste do not inherently conflict in the way ethical contradictions do. With ethical matters, asserting that two diametrically opposed views are equally valid is problematic, either one is right and the other wrong, or both might be based on flawed reasoning. Pretending 2 opposing ethical views can be both equally right/true/correct is utter contradictory mush, either one of them must be right / wrong, or both are contrived meaningless nothing opinions, just made up. you wouldn't say whether one believes in god or not IS mere personal opinion/preference and such 2 opposing views can be equally right at same time, that's utter contradictory nonsense, by saying 2 opinions that gRAPE is both good & bad at same time are equally right opinons, right loses all meaning and you might as well say neither is right and both are wrong, they each have their own contrived fairytale delusion. Now with Ethics of right / wrong, it does not depend on one single individual's preference or opinion, but taken as the whole, if you violate one without consent you still have to account for that since you are seemingly putting the weight on the preference otherwise preferences are utterly meaningless and irrelevant. ALSO, Do you call whatever you prefer what's right, or do you prefer to try to do what is right? Do you prefer to seek out what is the right most accurate conclusion given all the facts of reality, or contrive right to be what's in your preference/interest or personal gain?

Can anybody explain what ethalism means? Or how do you spell it? Never heard that term before

but there is a basis for morality when it comes to someone else being hurt, like in the case of CP or murder. Morally both are bad because someone suffers, objectively

Friendly vs Aggressive activism. You can only weed out so many people. Sooner or later, you are going to say to yourself, "when is the s3x"? Maybe focus on building sidewalks, small things like that.

Absolutely sterling interview! Loved it - be kind, be vegan ❤❤❤❤

Great discussion!

In my advocacy I make a distinction between what I believe and say full throated (fundamental rights we grant to the human animal extend to non-human sentient animals), and my policy positions in Australia. I support welfare legislations because (apart from the typical utility/suffering angle) it will make meat more expensive and demonstrate to the "silent majority" that a) what they think happens in farming doesn't happen that way by dragging abusive practices before parliament (like we've seen this month in regards to abuse footage of pigs that senators were shown and was a major news story), and b) the high-welfare they unthoughtfully support by default prices most people out. I think it will show folks the inherent scalability issues with welfarism and highlight in contrast the abhorrent practices that make meat affordable in the first place. I'll be there the whole time saying "why support these industries that crumble before your eyes when we force them to treat animals with the slightest amount of dignity before stripping it all away?" and reinforcing the third and most ethical option. I also think honesty gets ahead of "slippery slope" arguments. If i'm out here telling you what I want, and you can look around and see i'm not the plurality there is no slippery slope, but if my perspective ever outnumbers yours that is called democracy and you can suck it up. You can be honest and also on be realistic about where the battlelines are in any given political climate

too close, guys....

Raffaela 😍

I love this girl ⚘️⚘️⚘️💚💚💚💯💐💯💐💯💐

I have a question for the Militant. Do she believe in a women's right to chose. In other words is she a believer of abortion. Because if so I'd like to know if she's ok with a women killing her own child.

To Raffaelas Point 1:32:00 There are 2 Angles. The first Angle: As Richard already stated, the Zebra is not commiting a rights violation, while the Lion does, atlaest thats what I would argue. The second Angle: It is unclear whether letting the Lion Kill the Zebra and let him walk away with his pray (and by that he could also trample a mouse) or culling the Lion to save the Zebra, causes more suffering. I also highly suggest looking up Avi's Anti Efilist Argument.

i need that clip of you challenging that dude to an mma match

This is a cool change of pace; really enjoying this video!

god shes so cute.

nice

I have an aerobics class for horses every Monday from 09:00 to 10:00. Advanced classes on Fridays, same time.

Are we not in agreement that calling nonhuman animals “its” is speciesist language?

Never knew of her she’s great

I've been addicted to Raffaela's content since I saw the first video of her. It was the German equivalent to dairy is scary and for the first time I heard a German speaking AR activist using clear words to describe what's going on. She opened my eyes for the hypocrisy of many woke vegans when it comes to clear ethical veganism.

What's an effelist

Rabbai Vegan Gains

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Use abolitionist language. dont call animals "it". that is objectifying them, Rafaella and Vegan Gains. refer to them as you would refer to a human. thanks.

Kind of nuts. Now that I’ve been vegan for like 6 years I’m actually longer vegan than some influencers. At the beginning 6 years seemed like such a long time. Now 10 years isn’t that far away.

she made me vegan. however, the holocaust is totally different from the animal industry when it comes to the purpose of the killings.

I wonder what her views are on abortion

Pleasant conversations don't necessarily advance justice movements. It does make people feel better about continuing support for immoral acts. Truth and firm stances solidify messages that can not be honestly denied. When you hear people's objections to the parallels Nazi tactics remember tha5 they won't age well. We don't have nice conversations with people who hurt cats and dogs.