Hate music? Sounds like ancient chinese version of wahabi muslim in this aspect

@@bosbanon3452 against music and fine arts should be better describe this.

@@bosbanon3452 mohists are minimalists. In ancient times music is reserved for aristocrats. Only they have the time and energy to learn instruments. Peasants make do with songs.

3. Mohist believed in the importance of evidence, which lead to their belief in the supernatural. There was so much anecdotal evidence of the supernatural it was overwhelming. (PS if I am reincarnated I want to be a Mohist next.)

@@thumper8684 You could be a Mohist now, though I'd say that philosophy has progressed since the Hundred Schools of Thought. Mohism is an amazingly humanist worldview when you consider how long ago it was conceptualized, but its ideas have been built upon since then.

As I understand it, Mohism laid the groundwork for the youxia (wandering hero) type of literary character, than has since become an archetype of wuxia genre, and other Chinese fantasy tales.

That is what we call "integrity". An alien concept even today.

@Dragon Dynasty Warrior: Cao Cao's ghost: You can't do a reverse me that is cheating.

Where does this phrase comes from?

I’ll check it out

Great. Now, hongki youths think that Mozi came from japan...

@@djtan3313 nah doubt those idiots can read at all. That manga is pretty old and forgotten nowadays.

@@hanchiman just like what happened in the Qin Dynasty scholarly persecution

Is thank to that that i came to know and appreciate mohism. It is pretty good. I advice to read it

rationalist? logic? their basic idea is worse from the start, its very inhumane. But is true that good for the world to have more people like them.

@@ekosusetyo217 LOL, you've read it.

Man,when Buddhism first time spread into Ancient China.Ancient Chinese had no words for Buddhism concept.So monks used the words confucianism daoism trying to explain Buddhism.They called this 格義（USE LOCAL CONCEPT TO EXPLAIN foreign concept).You can using western concept trying to explain mohism,but it will not be accurate mate

the mohist argument would go like this, its not that you should love a stranger more than your loved ones but by loving the stranger as if they were a close one you are in fact loving your loved ones. How do you convince a stranger to treat your loved ones in the same way as you would? By treating everybody even a stranger as you would treat your own loved ones, you create a society in which a stranger will treat your loved ones as well as his own So lets do a modern example, you and your elderly parents use public transport the bus and the MTR. When you travel with them and seating is limited you will of course stand in order to allow them to sit. How then do you ensure that they get a seat if you are not with them? By treating every elderly passenger who needs a seat as if they were your own elders, by giving up your own you help create and reinforce a culture where this is the expected and right thing to do. By behaving righteously in all things to all people, you help create a culture on which others behave righteously to you and yours.

From what I've heard, the reason Mohists were against music was because they were often large productions that used exploited peasant labor. I'm guessing that the Mohists probably wouldn't be against a guy strumming on his guitar at the end of the day's labor but that probably wasn't considered "music" during that time.

Man,when Buddhism first time spread into Ancient China.Ancient Chinese had no words for Buddhism concept.So monks used the words confucianism daoism trying to explain Buddhism.They called this 格義（USE LOCAL CONCEPT TO EXPLAIN foreign concept).They called Mozi the (natural christian)is clearly They trying to using Christian values explain Mohism,that will not be very accurate,mate.

@@juanlu3958 While I agree that Mohism isn't exactly Christianity, calling someone "Natural Christian" isn't an example of using Chinese terms to explain a foreign idea, calling God Tian or Dao like Netsorians or modern Chinese Christians might do is an example of explaining a foreign religion with local terms but calling Mozi a Natural Christian is claiming that Mozi had the same general philosophy as Catholicism.

@@ikengaspirit3063 Christians are natural mohists

@@smoothjazz2143 I don't think the "natural" adjective can go both ways but aside from that I guess you're right. The comparison does go both ways.

@@ikengaspirit3063 IMO the comparision dies at the 3rth century, christiany as we know it is an amalgamation of mysticism and roman imperial doctrine that direct contradicts the original tenants of the philosophy, to call them both by the same name is an offense. But I'm sure mohism would suffer the same fate if it became popular, they are too pure for this vile world.

That would be a great Squid Episode

hmm similar to three body games in the movie then ? yes the tencent three body (san ti)

Interesting! I would want to know more.

So in other words...similar to modern day engineers.

he was so young and become the emissary for the Song? Wow 👍

a solutions architect

@@mattongbp you are 100 percent right.

Agree, humen will have broader hearts as along the evolving path.

As a Muslim, I think I would consider Mozi a Prophet of God.

Absolutely.

Er no. The Jedi were self serving. George Lucas even filmed it so.

@@dutchmilk The Jedi were selfless in helping the weak and innocent citizens of the galaxy. Now that does not mean they were perfect or did not do anything questionable. ( like abducting force sensitive children from their families) I would say their only real failing flaw was getting mixed up in the politics of the corrupt Republic which led to their downfall. Although for awhile they did learn their lesson after the First Sith War. They wisely refused to get involved in the Mandalorian Wars. But by the time of the Clone Wars i guess they fatally forgot about those past lessons.

They were the Jedi without the attachment hang up :p

Mengzi’s criticism towards Mohism was based on a superficial understanding of it at best though, and Mengzi’s belief of morality based on patriarchal hierarchy order and centralization of power wasn’t compatible with Mohist thought. Because of this Mohism has been considered heretical by mainstream Confucianists until today, many Confucianists and nationalists of China and Korea even today continue to denigrate Mohism as a failure for this reason. It’s true that Mencius did acknowledge Mohists to be almost saintly at the same time though, and a portion of Mencius’ philosophy much like Yangism does contain certain highly individualistic aspects. (which also are deemed heretical by many ruling elites and mainstream Confucianists later on).

ya, they have their own reason, complete each other with taoism and the others "ism" that we do not know.

Really interesting topic because Mengzi's philosophy in some aspects is more aligned to Mohism than Confucism...In some aspects Mengzi is even more radical than Mozi. For Mengzi, rebellion against an unjust sovereign is justified---an idea that would no doubt offend Confucius and something that even Mozi did not dare to openly state.

I mean, Warhammer Fantasy Battles has Cathay lands, that's essentially China. Thought these lands were not explored particularly well in fiction or rulebooks.

Grand Cathay confirmed for Total War: Warhammer 3

what would you call warhammer 40k in china??? i dunno, probably warhammer spring and autumn or some shit

According to Wikipedia, it wasn't music per se, but expensive musical rituals that could bankrupt a city.

The reason why Mohists were against music should be seen in context of society of the time. Music was reserved for the rich and powerful, like lavish month-long funerals or throwing money at jade trinkets. Awesome? Sure, but less so when you realize these were essentially state funds being used for personal enjoyment instead of, y'know, preventing widespread famine. Mozi was a commoner and most certainly knew the pain of watching your children starve to death while the fat bureaurocrat down the road was listening to fine music and playing with his concubines.

Not many people know that the Mohists continued on in secret for centuries, and along the Way developed a taste for music and hashish. They reappeared in the middle of the twentieth century as the Hippie movement. Think about it.

Music can become problematic. It destroys the natural vibrations of the mind and causes hypnotism.

And by the sound of it. Mohists do not prefer to be happy. They prefer the natural state. So music and other mood changing things like alcohol are problematic.

Yes. That's the one.

Love that movie, introduced Mohism to me :)

And they used agnatic seniority rather than primogeniture, which the Mojing seems to prefer in places.

If my memory serves me right, the title of that movie was "Mukgong: Battle of Wits" starring Andy Lau.

Rui created the characters & CJ did the animations and the rest.

@@CoolHistoryBros Must be a big load of work! Fantastic guys.

Ture, they need power

But then if pacifist protester engage in war to stop a war, they will call them radicals / terrorist / mercenary, whatever negative name applicable just to vilify them. I think the closest to that ideal would be ANC during Mandela early days fighting apartheid, as opposed to Gandhi pacifism.

@@dimasakbar7668 The government of the nation or country in question will do that regardless. So will their allies. Ultimately it is of little consequence so long as all objectives are achieved.

@Shy Cracker Possibly but so long as they have checks and balances in place. Along with a proper vetting process. That should help negate most risks.

Glad to see another reader here

Maybe east would develop similar to the west

yeah well they were all killed or silenced by the tyrant Qin Shi Huang (the "Fire Nation Attack," lol).

They were buried alive by the emperor!

Mainly for the cost of it in his time.

Mohism was close to developing a full philosophy of science, since they had an inner school of formal logic. Then.....the Fire Nation attacked.....

Hehehehehe

It’s a hard one, without Qin Shi Huang there will be no unified China. Broken up the people suffered as Kingdoms waged war constantly. It may also be the consequence of civilisation just like how the Library of Alexandria got burned, the collapse of Babylon, Rome, Ancient Greece etc. Knowledge seems to disappear once it hits a certain level of advancement. Although we have more access to knowledge and information, our technology is the most fragile if our electronic servers are wiped out through EMP or electricity blackout, there is no way to access that information again.

@@CharonTFM What do you mean by "it's a hard one"? In response to your first paragraph: I have no objection to Qin Shi Huang being the first emperor to unify China. I agree a broken China, like any broken country, would bring about chaos and war, no doubt. To your second paragraph, I agree that some civilizations that succeed a previous one do, unfortunately, destroy their predecessor's history, monuments, and the likes.

I do not think Qin Shi Huang as a tyrant, China will still devide if there was no Qin Shi Huang.

@@idiot9450 Before arguing with you, I raise questions: What constitutes a country-is it the people, or is it the land, or is it both people and land that makes a country? Moreover, Is a country considered unified when it, along with its citizens, is under the rule of one regime? To put it simply, what makes a country and when is a country considered unified? Lastly, what is a tyrant?

@@russelsteapot8991 too many question. hard to type on a phone 😁😁

More preferably the Tang dynasty (that became the United States of China before USA was a thing)

They actually were.

Or during ww1. We would have used their help

Music was costly in that era of China.

They thought that it distracted the population from more important pursuits such as work and doing good. Just imagine what happens if a bunch of engineers started a cult. LoL!

@@CoolHistoryBros Sounds a bit like Plato's reason for his dislike of poetry lol

@雅典第一公民伯里克利 That is interesting.

1. the cost of time, resources, and attention. this was not just expensive concerts, but fancy architecture, clothing, cooking etc... 2. the psychological effect of pursuit of pleasure leads to indiscipline. contentment, comfort, and relishing the satisfaction of righteousness are acceptable. 3. the spirit world is full of spirits of all kinds all mixed up. heaven can let them into our world, or we can. if heaven lets them in on a mission, unbidden by man, they must be righteous (not necessarily friendly depending on how righteous you are). if you invite them in you don't know what you are going to get. music creates unpredictable mental states in which you might unwittingly let random spirits into our world.

@@CoolHistoryBros engineering start a cult, there must be logic, proof, and numbers involved 🤣🤣🤣

Christianity? the one that says every non believer will go to hell? love without discrimination unless you are not christian.

@Shy Cracker i think you either don't understand christianity or mohism or both to make that claim. christianity says there is only one true god and everything is already set by that god. but mohism says 非命, which means there is no destiny. people build their own fate. no "thanks god" that kind of thing. john made the connection with "love without discrimination" which made some sense, but you said "Mohism is literally proto Christianity" which doesn't make sense at all.

@@rickr9435 The nature of Christianity haven fractured into several sects means that much of all these overarching generalizations might not fit. Like the whole ideal f "universal love" is present in all Christian sects but that is only because it is repeated several times in the New Testament. The whole "everything is already set by God" isn't a Christian universal, Catholics don't really go extreme to either side and most Christians would believe in Permissive will of God, i.e. what is possible and perfect will of God which is what is ideal. The Christians that most strongly go for the "everything is already set by God" but almost every other sect disagrees with them, mainly because it is considered that one makes it to hell because they refuse God, of their own free will in almost all other Christian sects. And as for "there is only one true god" I am pretty sure the Mohists were like just softer MonoTheists, Like only on lord of heaven but we can always acknowledge other people's gods somehow instead of going the Christian route of just calling everything else superstition or demons. However, nobody is saying Christiianity and Mohism have to match exactly, just that they are pretty close that with the right shift in language they could be mistaken for divergent sects of one another.

Pacifism and neutrality can only come from position of utter dominance just like how only winners can afford to be magnanimous. An individual can be what Mo Tzu preaches but a city, state or country will instantly be consumed. Confucianism advocated rigid patriarchy and obedience which is why rulers promoted it instead of a teaching that advocate pacifism during a warring period. Mo is like our contemporary UN peacekeepers - lofty ideals and can do good work here and there but ultimately an exercise in futility and are only tolerated as long as the major powers aren't too inconvenienced.

@@stevens9625 Well said. I heard an echo..

I do wonder if Mohism could have risen like Chritianity and appealled primarily to the masses and army first, if it could have succeeded.

@@ikengaspirit3063 Indeed, it could, and there would have been much fewer wars..

Daoism is more practical whereas Mohist seems more like an ideal to aspire to. In a (Daoist kind of ) way, if actual real practicing Mohist comes about, it might not be a good thing overall, it just mean that the times are so horrible and unacceptable that finally there exists a group of really brilliant and capable individuals who got pushed to point to setting out to right all the horrible wrongs even they know darn well they would likely get punish for it. The average human just do not make that kind of choices. The Spring and Autum + Warring State period were such time. I pray the current state of affairs in the world never descends to the state where the universe/god/fate have to bring these guys back ^_^

@@marcc1830 Well, from the zeitgeist perspective, I would personally say that it is the other way around. Mohism, being very similar to humanitarianism and social democracy, would be a major improvement of society (especially in the US). While Daoism is more of a thing to strive for in our every day lives. Then again, I may have misunderstood your point.

​@@torbjornlekberg7756 Just different way to look at things, and to be honest I wish I have it wrong and that you are right. Confucianism seems to have won out historically in China but the rulers themselves actually operates more or less on a combination of Daoist cross Legalist kind of way. In fact be it Han, Tang or even today promote Confucianism to the people so that they respect the social order while the leadership go about their own way that is closer to Sun Tzu and Machiavellian and is somewhat contained by the Confucian morals. In a similar fashion, even in the modern democratic countries, while the citizens cherishes modern social values that is similar to Mohism but in practice fell short to varying degrees, because most to a varying degree follow the flow of what's easier for him/herself. All the while the governments themselves operate in a more shall we say primal manner just barely confined by the ideals they espouse.

@@marcc1830 I see your point now. Yes, it makes alot of sense.

@Trinidad and Tobagoball You never studied political philosophy, I see. Or learned much concerning things outside your borders. Europe being communist? Only a USamerican would believe such a thing. Or rather be convinced by it despite lacking any real knowledge about the european continent. It is an odd mix of ignorance and arrogance.

They're not anti-authoritarian because they accept the Will of Heaven as authority, they just prioritise Heavenly laws over Earthly rules and customs.

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