Toby is not obnoxious.

AGREE! They needed this guy.

We're certainly planning to be... watch this space

Well i for one would like a long and thoughtful review by people who actually sailed before, in other words sailors . The reason that this is of the utmost importance is , most of us can only go through this episode once in our lives. Also most of the prudent sailors will research this to death over many years with all options at stake . The ms. And i have it down to a spread sheet . The biggest option is the most overlooked , and that is the option of a lifestyle change not options included actually fitted to the boat . Having said that , all of the sudden any yacht is fair game (within the scope of things) of course. So yes a proper salesman is important .

⬆️ love to see you with your 'dock side' spread sheet down below while sailing.

Big shoes to fill because Chris Beeson was the best and I'd say this Theo fills them rather well. good job.

Thanks, will do!

This certainly is an elegant, comfortable and fast sailingboat. And good for daysailing with family and friends. Or for charter companies. But in my opinion it's not a boat for the more adventurous sailor, not a true offshore boat. The cockpit is too big if you are out in serious weather and you are thrown around and you don't find a grip to hold on. Same inside the salon, no handrails anywhere. And in big breaking following seas, when the cockpit with the quite open stern gets flooded, I wouldn't trust these plastic doors to keep the ocean outside of the boat. Furthermore I don't expect any solosailer, beeing washed by a big wave overboard, even tied by a lifeline to this boat, has a real chance to climb back on board. No ladder, no grip, no nothing. So, all in all I see this more as a comfortable apartment near the water and toy for some over paid managers. But if I were willing to spend this amount of money I would buy something smaller, better and more capable.

@@helmrichharms2225I’m considering this boat, but your comments give me pause. I ask myself how often would I find myself out in serious weather? I would pick my weather windows and only occasionally get caught in serious weather. How many times has a solo sailor been thrown overboard? I personally would always be well Jack-lined and tethered. If you were willing to spend $250K USD what newer “smaller, better and more capable” boat would you get?

@@EnglishCoachChad like I said: nice and fast boat, as long as you use it in moderate conditions for coastal sailing. How often you would find yourself in serious weather? Depends on...but be sure, earlier or later you will experience heavier weather than expected from the forecast. At least I did during my last 40 years of sailing. How many times have solosailors been thrown over board? More often than you would expect. But few of them had the chance to tell. In my recollection Bernard Montessier and Wilfried Erdmann (both famous circumnavigators) are survivors of such a horrible experience. Eric Tabarly, the winner of the OSTAR 1964 was washed overboard summer 1998 in the Irish sea and drowned. Newer smaller, better, more capable boats? www.hallberg-rassy.com/de/yachten/altere-modelle/hallberg-rassy-37/ Halberg-Rassys of Frere's design sail very well! And in the Netherlands there are several boatbilders who are specialized in Aluminium offshore boats. All boats of the famous Dutch Yachtdesigner Dick Koopmans are especially good at offshore sailing. And they are fast as well. Dick Koopmans won several offshore regattas in boats of his own design. m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pslljbeqsLK-lYE.html Round Britain Race 1990 in a Victoire 8.55 m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMqkkpqhm6zZgWw.html Dick Koopmans finishing 2nd in his class in 2009 OSTAR www.dickkoopmans.nl/over_ons/het_ontwerpbureau.html Just some examples of good all weather offshore boats. And are lightly used within your price range in Holland and France. I wrote this comment sitting in the cockpit of a Bavaria 37

@@helmrichharms2225 Thanks for your response. The newer Hallberg Rassy boats are out of my price range. I would have to get a 15+ year old boat. I would rather get a newer boat because I feel like design has evolved. I’m looking at a Hanse 348 right now. I found an interesting post that covers this topic of offshore vs. “so-called-coastal cruiser”: interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2014/03/stability-1-misleading-boats-hanse-345.html You wrote your comment in the cockpit of a Bavaria 37. I wrote my comment sitting on my sofa. So…. Maybe I should take you advise.😅

@@EnglishCoachChad 😁😎

This boat was specced up with almost all the options. You could get one with fewer options for a lot less money

Plans for used boat tests afoot too.

Glad you like them!

i agree more clearance for a larger handle and or bigger winches but i dont think it needs an arch this sheeting system works well on much larger boats so an arch is not needed at all. and the winches are hopefully 2 speed if not i would not trust them i mean 2 speed has been standard since the 80s!!. on our boat we have 2 speed electric winches that also have reverse!

The winches are Lewmar 40 two speed self tailing winches. I did think the mainsheet was a bit underpowered. The two mainsheet setup (one on starboard and board where there is a currently a bridle), more purchase, or a larger winch would help.

Well, a remote reminiscence, not bad this review, I agree but nobody will ever come close to Beeson... whatever happened to Chris?

@@peterhomann2140 Agreed. Chris brought a grumpy skipper charm to the reviews. Still, happy to see YM with new reviews.

Chris Beeson was the best. You nailed it!

Great video! Love the boat.

And, I am not, under no circumstances, envious of your full hair.😂

It’s a fucking nice yacht, your minor observations are petty. This yacht has been professionally designed and a lot of thought gone into it. Just as well you’re not buying it then.

@@richardwyman5975 - Tell me you know nothing about offshore sailing without telling me you know nothing about offshore sailing.

For god sake get a life🤣

Thanks. We'll look into doing something on that. In general though, check the charts for where your are thinking of anchoring. If you're happy there are no hazards like rocks, you have shelter for the conditions, enough tide to stay afloat and enough chain for sufficient scope, then that's a good start. Then check the chart doesn't show any restrictions on anchoring, such as shell fish farms, submarine cables or nature reserve protections,

Indeed!

I'll watch out for that next time!

@@YachtingMonthly you are welcome.

Thanks Paul, glad you enjoyed it. Hope all is well!

Curious about that simple backrest solution ;-)

@@TheWallybam2 Vertically sliding from within the cushions. I've made one for a friend's boat, and he thanks me everytime. Nearly the same solution for my v-berth in order to hold the pillows.

True, but I think they are targetting a light to moderately sportly peer group with that boat. I've been on a C46 in 8 bft some months ago. It still felt safe, but you quickly realize that it was probably designed for crew that does not go higher than 6 bft.

It depends on the kind of sailing you want to do, the people you're sailing with and your budget. Sure, this boat is capable of sailing in the Caribbean, but it depends if it's what you're looking for

If you pick up a copy of our June issue of Yachting Monthly magazine, there's a full review with spec, tech drawings etc: www.magazinesdirect.com/az-single-issues/6937314/yachting-monthly-single-issue.thtml

Look at it like this. The base F150 is under $30k. But many sold in are the $70-$80k range. The options can easily add up to the base price, and more.

Just buy the base model and shop the rest yourself 😞

@@audi3318 or buy 2 base models add some stereo and microwaves. 🤣

The base price is somewhat of a bait price

Bad idea. Bavaria is know for poor build quality.

I'll double check on US prices, but as it would go through the local dealers, exchange rates, import costs and local taxes, it's not as simple as just converting one to the other. In terms of microwave (the boat has a gas oven but no microwave), water maker (you could fit one, but wasn't on this boat) and you could certainly add solar panels, but again not specified by this owner. Similarly there could well be space for a scuba compressor if you wanted to add one. This boat probably isn't aimed at bluewater cruising - more coastal cruising - but you could add kit as required if that's what you want to do.

Yes, that was something we found. With a crew, it's fine and it helps get your crew involved in the sailing. You could mount a winch further aft to give you better control

It was a slip of the tongue. I meant to say 'self-tacking' jib, not self furling. The furling is a conventional headsail furling drum and foil.

I think the difficulty that he talked about was mainly gybing under power and getting the main to centerline with underpowered winches and poor leverage due to the forward nature of the main rigging.

Different channel, but Toby does an amazing job on Yachting World!

If you rigged it with two mainsheets (one to either side of the bridle), which is an option, or added more purchase, it could easily be significantly improved.

Slip of the tongue. I meant to say a self-tacking jib, which would have a smaller area, and less control over sheeting angles, therefore ideally paired with a furling off-wind sail for more area downwind

@@YachtingMonthly Thank you for clearing that up. I thought it's another new fang equipment that I have go hunt for :D

Wearing Zhik Fuze deck trainers

I guess you don't buy a Bavaria or Benetteau when you think long term...

Absolutely you are right!

Bavarias are know for falling apart quickly

"Bavarias are generally solid yachts"? Really? In which world????

Wondering why. It looks to me to be a capable cruiser that could still be fun to sail, even if not designed for racing.

T Oadaly; have just been watching this brand of boats - on the water, when out sailing for years. Especially when tacking, it looks bad..... at least 10 degrees lower with less speed. Cannot be that fun - imo. With tailwind, maybe a little better - but any haystack can float with the wind 😉😖

@@jrgensenbo2999 Good info, thanks!

T Oadaly; in fairness - I want to ad, that the sails have a lot to say.... Many Bavarias are sold with a roll-mainsail and a not very sofisticated foresail. Especially the very flat roll-mainsail with no curve in the rear (I don't know the english word - "agterlig" in Danish) doesn't do any good for the performance of any boat. This boat, obviously has better sails - but I still have to see a tour-Bavaria with good tacking performance. Kind regards

@@jrgensenbo2999 The out-haul can not be adjusted on those sails?

Noted, thanks.

Infinitely better quality and sailing

@@LetterSignedBy51SpiesWasA-Coup yes sir agreed :)

Haha - we liked them too!

But you do get a lot of boat for your money...